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| Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Mon, Jul 16, 2007, 11:07
I am pleased to announce the 14 managers for the 2007 RIFC:
I AM CANADIAN
s_R
Beezer
Leggestand
Guru
Goatlocker
youngroman
bmd
Holt
SMith32
Bags
Slackjawed Yokels
Nerfherders
Greybear
This list includes me, the top-6 non-me seeds from last year's RIFC, 3 teams from each AAA league, and the (playoff) winner of the AA league. For each AAA league, I selected the playoff winner plus the top two seeds for the playoffs.
Although it is still early, there are several things that we can start on:
1. Sign-ups for qualifying leagues. I will start a separate thread for this.
2. Discussion of possible rules changes. (We can use this thread for that.)
3. Discussion of any other issues that should be resolved before the start of the draft.
I expect that the RIFC draft will start sometime around August 18, plus or minus a few days. I plan to draft using kafenatid.net software once again, and recent history suggests that we can knock off the draft in 2 weeks.
I have not yet reviewed the issues that arose during last season that might prompt rules changes (and/or clarifications). If anyone would like to skim through the various discussion threads from last year and post potential issues, please do so. I’ll copy over last year’s rules momentarily.
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| | | 1 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Jul 16, 2007, 11:09
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Updated rules now appear in post 70 |
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| | | 2 | Letter_J
ID: 353551013
Mon, Jul 16, 2007, 12:12
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My brother (I_A_C) and my wife (Greybear - as an aside, is she the first female to have received an invite to the RIFC?) have both been invited to play in the RIFC this year. In light of my proximity to these two RIFC participants (and as I have played in AAA in the past and will (hopefully!) play in AAA this year) and the fact that I_A_C, Greybear and myself have previously discused the following modest change to the size of the rosters, I propose the following:
The RIFC (and QLs) should add an additional flex IDP spot. Greybear and I (I will allow I_A_C_ to chime in for himself on this) found that the addition of the extra IDPs last year gave those that research IDP a slight advantage. Adding an extra IDP will, in my opinion, reward these "hardcore" participants even more.
I hope that I have not overstepped my boundaries. Just my 0.02
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| | | 3 | Trip
Leader
ID: 13961611
Mon, Jul 16, 2007, 17:07
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My only gripe with the RIFC is the #of teams in the playoffs. I propose the following
Playoffs
6 Teams
Top 4 W/L records are seeded 1-4
Top remaining points are seeded 5-6.
Teams with equivalent W/L records are seeded based on head-to-head first, then total points
Top 2 teams receive bye in the first week
Bracket is fixed (no reseeding after each round)
I'm not a fan of allowing over half of the league into the playoffs, especially considering the double header schedule. I would also like to see the top 2 teams rewarded for rising to the top.
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| | | 4 | youngroman
ID: 3751268
Mon, Jul 16, 2007, 18:26
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another proposal:
change 3WR to 2WR + 1WR/TE
reason: I may have played 2 TE last year when I had the Antonio Gates - Desmond Clark combo and some injury/bye week problems early in the season.
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| | | 5 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 211023140
Mon, Jul 16, 2007, 19:40
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As Letter_J stated... I think adding to the IDP would be a good idea. We've all had the chance to test it out, and I think most of us can agree that we've learned a lot about this aspect of the game, so no manager is really "unaware" in this area, but those who spend the extra effort, may be able to build a slightly more solid team.
For the playoffs... I DO NOT agree with giving top seeds byes, nor with changing the system. The one that is place is close to an "industry standard", so even though there is a lot of luck involved, it's expected.
As far as the 3rd WR slot... I'd be up for the idea of making it into a FLEX... but I propose that it be a combination flex (RB/WR/TE).
Also, I'm not sure IF I'd be in favor of it or not... but I think we should at least consider the idea of having a 2nd QB.
Lastly, I think that last years experiment with TeamD proved to be a boon/bust situation for most teams. I propose that we "tweak" the scoring DOWN somewhat so we don't run into weeks where the games are almost single-handedly won/lost by TeamD.
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| | | 6 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Mon, Jul 16, 2007, 20:13
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I guess I'm going to shock myself here, but I think I would like to see things stay with 3 WR.
If fact, I'm fairly happy I think with the way the overall positions line up right now.
The 15 starters and 9 bench seem to fit with 14 teams.
It leaves just enough available to keep somebody from being completely done in by one big time injury.
I know what some think about the playoff numbers, but I think in this competitive of a league that the 8 works out just fine.
Look back at the first year when in the first week of the playoffs, all four top seeds lost.
Another part of the strategy with playing this type of a league.
Cliff
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| | | 7 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Mon, Jul 16, 2007, 21:27
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I like the rules as they are currently (why wouldn't I, right?) and would tend to not make any changes. One tweak I would suggest is that if we add an additional IDP, I'd prefer it be a DB instead of a flex.
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| | | 8 | Mötley Crüe
Dude
ID: 439372011
Mon, Jul 16, 2007, 23:20
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Man, all GoatLocker does is hang around this league season after season. What a fantasy football stud.
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| | | 9 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Tue, Jul 17, 2007, 10:12
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I think that very minimal, if any, tweaks need to be made. For the possible proposals so far:
1. One more IDP - I can't vote for anymore. We are at 6. I had trouble agreeing when we proposed moving to 4 in year 2, then we moved to 6 in year 3. We currently have the same amount of starting IDP's as we do starting QB's, RB's, and WR's combined. I'm not sure if that means anything, but I certainly don't like the reliance on IDP's that it seems to suggest. In addition, IDP's remain a crap shoot. If we add another, we just add a round at the end, and you pick your last one there. It's not like adding a QB/RB/WR where your draft strategy would change based on the addition.
If we do add, I think we should just have 7 flex IDP's. Go 7 LB's if you want, go 3 DL's if you want. It allows everyone to take different strategies, and then you actually have to look at DLvsLBvsDB when you pick an IDP. I doubt 7 LB's would be the optimal strategy, which was one of our concerns (all IDP's would be LB's) when IDP's were implemented in this league.
2. Playoffs - I like the 8 teams. I have never been a fan of the first round bye, even when I am the 1st seed. Part of the joy is playing every week until "you're out." I understand rewarding the top seeds, and I have proposed doing a "homefield advantage" of spotting points to the top seeds, but that was shot down.
3. 2nd QB - I can't agree to it, there's just not enough QB's during the bye weeks. If there were no bye weeks, I would likely agree to it.
4. Removing 3rd WR to a Flex - This idea is intriguing, and I would favor the WR/TE flex as presented by YR. I don't think it will make that much of a difference, but it would help during bye weeks where a lot of teams are stretched thin. Plus, if you happen to draft Gonzo and Gates, as MC did 3 years ago, it could make your team very strong. It rewards finding a late diamond TE and doesn't force you to trade him. I'd be against adding the flex to include RB...it would put too much importance on RB's, which I think we try to avoid in the RIFC.
I don't have any of my own proposals, because I think the league is good as is. I would be fine leaving everything as it was last year.
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| | | 10 | Nerfherders
ID: 501035289
Tue, Jul 17, 2007, 19:09
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I'm pretty happy with it as is. I like the 8-team playoff format. I enjoyed having more IDP last year - I am pretty good managing IDP. I didnt notice a big difference in the changes to team defense. The WR/TE flex position is intriguing. It would allow for that rare instance where you have two really good TE's, and in this league #3 WR's arent much better than alot of TE's. I could go either way on that.
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| | | 11 | Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Wed, Jul 18, 2007, 12:10
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I know I don't get a vote but I like the league as is.
1. If we add an IDP I would like to see another required DB. LB seems to have the oppertunity to score more points. The middle of the pack DL's don't score quite as much as the middle LB and DB. I can recall myself and most of AAA #2 using 1DL 1DB 4LB. If we add one I like the line up of 1 DL 1 LB 2 DB 3 flex. But I'd be prone to say no extra IDP.
2. These are very competitive leagues. Last year in AAA #2 we had 5 teams tie for first and then 2 teams tie for 6th. We had a 14-12 team not make the playoffs. Reward people for the competiveness.
3. 1 Starting QB. If we used 2 starters then we are using 42 QBs if everyone has a benched QB. That leaves 10 teams that are screwed for their bye week.
4. I'd be open to using a flex for the 3rd WR, but I have trouble drafting 1 TE that will score. Maybe this year I'll do better, that's just personal preference tho.
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| | | 12 | holt
ID: 41512278
Wed, Jul 18, 2007, 12:41
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I'm not sure about the LB/DB assessment. I've always ended up using more DB's than LB's. the highest scoring idp last season was pac man jones wasn't it?
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| | | 13 | Nerfherders
ID: 501035289
Wed, Jul 18, 2007, 13:32
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That was only because he was a kick returner as well. Generally LB's are going to score more points on defense than DB's or DL's.
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| | | 14 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Wed, Jul 18, 2007, 14:53
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Last year, I started 3 DB's (Charles Woodson, Tillman, Rhodes) by the end of the season and only two LB's, so, I tend to agree with holt's conclusion. Even if they are return men, it still counts as IDP points.
I think the apt comparison for the LB vs DB argument is RB vs WR. Sure, RB's are more valuable, but if we had five flex spots on offense, would you fill them with all RB's? I doubt it, as some WR's start to be more valuable than RB's at certain levels.
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| | | 15 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 536401915
Thu, Jul 19, 2007, 16:42
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Not much discussion about TEAM D scorring?
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| | | 16 | Smith32
Sustainer
ID: 139592519
Thu, Jul 19, 2007, 19:15
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Here are my thoughts:
- I like the 8 team playoff. I don't see a need to change it.
- I think the 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 WR/TE roster setup is a good idea and worth considering. It just adds an extra element to draft strategy in terms of how you want to cover your byes, and in guessing what position other managers are going to draft next. That way you can't assume that other managers are going to pass on a TE just because they already have one.
- I think the IDPs are ok as is. The flexibility allows you to decide if you want to get some KR/DBs or load up on LBs who rack up tackles. Overall, I think the ideal scenario is a setup where you need to combine some knowledge of the game with some research, and I think if any additional IDP spots were created, it would reward the research aspect too much. Really, how many casual football fans even know who Keith Bulluck and DeMeco Ryans are?
- Team D pts - If anything, perhaps scale down the yardage allowed pts to a max of 5 instead of 10.
Generally I would not have a problem leaving the rules exactly as they are. I think it is a fun, competitive format.
Good luck to everyone.
Smith32
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| | | 17 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 211023140
Mon, Jul 23, 2007, 12:16
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It's been a few days since we had movement in this thread... and I was looking back at this thread. Judging by post 55, maybe we should start moving ahead here soon. I enjoy being able to run a couple mocks of the opening rounds after I know where I'll be drafting from. :)
PS. Season opens 1 day earlier this year than last.
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| | | 18 | Smith32
ID: 2103514
Fri, Jul 27, 2007, 09:40
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I will be on vacation with no access starting Saturday afternoon (7/28) and I will return Friday evening (8/3). If a vote is taken on the rules, please use my general thoughts in post 16 to cast my vote to the extent possible. And if draft order is drawn and it is my pick before I get back, give me the lowest (closest to #1) available.
Thanks.
Smith32
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| | | 19 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Jul 27, 2007, 11:17
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I just reactivated the league at Fanball. The seven new owners should receive email invitations to join the league (sent directly from fanball). Returning owners should be able to login and access their teams directly without reregistering.
Team rosters from last year have not yet been cleared. Obviously, they will be before the draft starts. New owners have effectively taken over an old team, so don't be dismayed when you see that your roster is already filled.
I will be registering for the draft at kafenatid.net shortly. You will recevie an email with your registration instructions.
I have been away for the past week, so I have not been thinking much about the league. I'll decide shortly whether there are any rules change proposals to vote on. It doesn't appear that there is any groundswell of support for any particular change, but perhaps I'll put a few up to a vote just to ensure I'm reading sentiments correctly.
If two managers want to send me a set of the integers 1-14 in any random order, I will use those to set up the draft2 round, in which we select our draft order. The first set of numbers will be used to resequence an alphabetical list of owners (using the names in the opening post). The second set of numbers will be used to assign selection order for the draft2 round.
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| | | 20 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 1361448
Fri, Jul 27, 2007, 11:25
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One set sent... (column 3)
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| | | 21 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Jul 27, 2007, 11:34
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I should clarify that according to Excel, s_R comes before Slackjawed (alphabetically). I guess "_" comes before "L"
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| | | 22 | Smith32
ID: 2103514
Fri, Jul 27, 2007, 11:42
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Second list sent
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| | | 23 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Jul 27, 2007, 11:52
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OK, numbers received and processed.
For full transparency, IAC sent this list:
3 6 7 4 5 10 14 11 2 1 8 9 12 13
Smith32 then sent this list:
7 12 3 11 9 2 8 14 13 4 1 6 10 5
This produces the following order for the draft2
1 I AM CANADIAN
2 Beezer
3 Bags
4 Guru
5 Holt
6 Smith32
7 Nerfherders
8 bmd
9 Greybear
10 youngroman
11 Goatlocker
12 Leggestand
13 Slackjawed Yokels
14 s_R
I encourage others to check my work, if you wish. I think I've followed the ground rules, but brain cramps can never be discounted.
We may start making these selections immediately. There is no "clock" for this round, but please try to keep it moving.
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| | | 24 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 1361448
Fri, Jul 27, 2007, 12:04
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"With the 1st pick in the 2007 RIFC draft, IAC selects..."
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| | | 25 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Fri, Jul 27, 2007, 12:20
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This should be fun.
Potential of YR on one side of me and leggestand on the other side of me in the draft.
Only Time will tell.
Cliff
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| | | 26 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 1361448
Fri, Jul 27, 2007, 12:36
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Beezer had an ultra solid draft last year... considering 1-2 slots hold very similar draft plans "normally", I shudder to think how many of my picks will go off the board RIGHT before I try to nab them (BTW - this observation based on the presumption that Beezer pics the 2 hole).
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| | | 27 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Fri, Jul 27, 2007, 12:42
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IAC,
Then there would be lots of room between you two.
You are talking slot 14 right ...... j/k
Couldn't see anybody with the shot at 1 not taking 1.
Cliff
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| | | 28 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 1361448
Fri, Jul 27, 2007, 12:45
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Just to clarify... (in case it wasn't obvious in post #24) I'll take the #1 slot/pick.
Thanks for the reminder GL.
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| | | 29 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Fri, Jul 27, 2007, 12:49
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I knew that Bud, just busting your chops because I can.
At least I will have a little separation from you and Beezer.
Then again, who knows.....
Cliff
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| | | 30 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 1361448
Fri, Jul 27, 2007, 13:01
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Just hoping my projected player for my first pick doesn't go down to injury like happened last year (From the 4 hole). I had to "settle" with the next-best option, and it wasn't all that great of a year for that player neither.
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| | | 31 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Fri, Jul 27, 2007, 13:36
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oof. "I'll take 12" is what I imagine I will be saying at some point in the next couple days. It could be worse, though, as s_R has pulled 13 and 14 the past two seasons.
Hopefully it won't be too bad, and looking at my RIFC history I have done alright with a late position.
RIFC 2004 - 5 pick, finished 5th in regular season. Looking back at kafenatid, my draft looks like it was okay (got Alexander's big year)
RIFC 2005 - 11 pick, finished 3rd in regular season. Looks like my best draft. Really hit on my WR's, although I missed on my 1st (Jamal Lewis) and 3rd (Michael Bennett) round picks.
RIFC 2006 - 3 pick, finished 4th. I really liked my draft this year, and a lot of the managers picked me as a top team going on, but a lot of my picks performed poorly once the season started. My only real reason for success last year were my in season trades.
Looking forward to another season. Not excited to probably be picking around Goatlocker, youngroman, and s_R. I don't know much about Yokels fantasy football skills, but hopefully he stinks ;)
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| | | 32 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Jul 27, 2007, 15:30
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Regarding potential rule changes:
Other than Trip, I see no interest in reducing the number of playoff teams. We'll stick with the status quo.
It seems there is some sentiment for 3 other changes:
1. Make one of the WR slots a flex slot
2. Add an IDP
3. Reduce the yardage component of Team def
Thus, I'm inclined to offer the following options for a league vote:
1. Regarding the 3rd WR slot:
(a) change to a WR/TE flex
(b) change to a RB/WR/TE flex
(c) no change
2. Regarding IDPs:
(a) add one more flex IDP
(b) Add one more IDP, and require it to be a DB
(c) no change
3. Regarding team defense scoring:
(a) reduce the points for yardage allowed by 50%
(b) no change
I am not yet asking for a vote. I am asking whether these choices are sufficiently framed, and whether there are other alternatives that should be considered (either other options for these three issues, or separate issues).
I'll allow a day for feedback before starting the formal vote. Smith32, you may vote in advance if you wish, given your vacation schedule.
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| | | 33 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 1361448
Fri, Jul 27, 2007, 15:32
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Looks good to me... seems to cover the majority of the options.
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| | | 34 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Fri, Jul 27, 2007, 16:14
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Potential Rule Changes look good to me also.
Though I do kind of have a question in my mind about making the 3rd WR a RB/WR/TE flex.
Cliff
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| | | 35 | Smith32
ID: 2103514
Fri, Jul 27, 2007, 16:34
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1) a
2) c
3) a
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| | | 36 | youngroman
ID: 3751268
Fri, Jul 27, 2007, 16:38
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the choices looks good to me.
ending up picking in the middle is my preferred choice, so selecting 10th should get me something between #8 and #10.
this means: no headaches who to pick with the 2nd or 4th pick overall. it won't be mine.
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| | | 37 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Fri, Jul 27, 2007, 18:30
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leggestand 31 - "My only real reason for success last year were my in season trades."
That was my perception as the person on the other end of a lot of those trades. :)
I'll take the #2 slot just because it makes I_A_C shudder.
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| | | 38 | leggestand
ID: 49638288
Sat, Jul 28, 2007, 09:41
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Options look good, Guru.
Beezer - I was looking over my trades last year and saw that I traded Maurice Morris to Doug twice. I think I made 5 trades last year, which is a lot for me.
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| | | 39 | Bags
ID: 2500120
Sat, Jul 28, 2007, 10:00
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The three options look good.
I was a little surprised to see that there were 16 DEF teams ranked ahead of the highest rated IDP (Packman Jones). For a league with an emphasis on the IDP it seems strange to have a DEF rated over the majority of them. Maybe I am used to picking a DEF in the last few rounds, but taking one in round three doesn’t seem right either.
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| | | 40 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Jul 28, 2007, 10:56
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The point values of team def relative to other positions is irrelevant. Every team starts one and only one team def each week.
As a trivial example, suppose that the team def formula produced an expected pts/game of 100 for 20 team defenses, and 0 for the other 12 teams. There would still be no reason to draft a team defense early, since any of the top 20 choices would produce comparable results - even though that point production would be significantly higher than the output from any other slot.
The only comparisons that matter are the relative points within each position.
Without doing any analysis beyond eyeballing, it looks like the relative spread of pts/game for team defenses was similar to the relative spread for QBs. If we reduced the yardage component, the relative differences would be slightly less - but I haven't attempted to work that out.
As an aside, last year's top defense, Baltimore, wasn't drafted until round 13 (by me!) Of course, in preseason, no one was projecting them to be a top defense.
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| | | 41 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Sat, Jul 28, 2007, 11:19
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I got back into Fanball just fine.
Also signed up for the draft in Kafenatid.
Just waiting to pick my slot.
Or, is that my coffin between YR and legge LOL.
Will make it challenging as always.
Cliff
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| | | 42 | Greybear
ID: 33602811
Sat, Jul 28, 2007, 12:01
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Wow. Picking my slot at no. 9. Can't say that I'm thrilled about it.
Although I haven't been very social with you guys as of yet, I just wanted to confirm that I'm set up in Fanball and Kafenatid. So I'm ready to roll when you are.
Don't hold back on firing off an e-mail to me if you feel that I am not checking the site enough before the draft starts. I tend to get busy at work at this time of the year and may get "sidetracked" with pesky bosses, clients, etc...
With respect to the rule amendments raised so far, I'd be up for: 1(a), 2(a) and 3(a).
I_A_C, congrats on the no. 1 spot. That discomfort you must feel whilst sitting down is apparently a horseshoe snuggly lodged somewhere... (just kidding!)
Best,
Grey
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| | | 43 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Jul 28, 2007, 13:09
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Let's go ahead with the vote as planned. I'll assume that the votes from Smith32 and Greybear are already registered.
To recap, here are the three issues:
1. Regarding the 3rd WR slot:
(a) change to a WR/TE flex
(b) change to a RB/WR/TE flex
(c) no change
2. Regarding IDPs:
(a) add one more flex IDP
(b) Add one more IDP, and require it to be a DB
(c) no change
3. Regarding team defense scoring:
(a) reduce the points for yardage allowed by 50%
(b) no change
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| | | 44 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 1361448
Sat, Jul 28, 2007, 13:33
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1. c
2. a
3. a
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| | | 45 | youngroman
ID: 3751268
Sat, Jul 28, 2007, 13:34
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1a 2c 3b
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| | | 46 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Sat, Jul 28, 2007, 13:39
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1. a
2. c
3. b
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| | | 47 | Smith32
Sustainer
ID: 139592519
Sat, Jul 28, 2007, 14:54
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Queue sent to Guru for my draft order pick. I'll check back in when I return from vacation.
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| | | 48 | holt
ID: 41512278
Sat, Jul 28, 2007, 15:16
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1.c
2.c
3.a
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| | | 49 | Bags
ID: 2500120
Sat, Jul 28, 2007, 15:42
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I totally missed post 23. I feel like an idiot.
I'll take pick #5.
I will vote for
1. a
2. c
3. a
Sorry for the delay.
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| | | 50 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Sat, Jul 28, 2007, 15:53
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1. c
2. c
3. b
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| | | 51 | s R
ID: 861898
Sat, Jul 28, 2007, 16:14
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It does not signify, but in my name between "s" and "R" it's a " "(space), in place of "_"
-Considering to change-
1-c
2-c
3-b
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| | | 52 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Jul 28, 2007, 19:12
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I'll pick 10th.
Holt's turn to select.
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| | | 53 | holt
ID: 41512278
Sun, Jul 29, 2007, 05:09
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I wish I could select my pick right now but I really need to look it over first and I'm just about to go to sleep now. will look it over and make my pick when I get up. sorry for the delay.
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| | | 54 | leggestand
ID: 49638288
Sun, Jul 29, 2007, 10:11
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1. a
2. c
3. b
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| | | 55 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 1361448
Sun, Jul 29, 2007, 11:54
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Just to make this a little clearer...
Breakdown of voting so far:
1. 6xa, 0xb, 4xc
2. 2xa, 0xb, 8xc
3. 5xa, 5xb
Draft slots taken: 1,2,5,10
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| | | 56 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Sun, Jul 29, 2007, 13:38
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DRAFT ORDER SO FAR
1. I_A_C
2. The Beezer
3.
4.
5. Bags
6.
7.
8.
9.
10. Guru
11.
12.
13.
14.
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| | | 57 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Jul 29, 2007, 13:47
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Following the draft, all undrafted players will be subject to a "waiver-like" priority claiming process, with the priorities equal to the reverse of the first round draft picks.
So, the team selecting 14th in round 1 will have the top priority in post draft claiming. However, remember that claiming priorities reset after each week for the first 6 weeks of the season, so there is no persisting impact of having top priority post-draft.
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| | | 58 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Jul 29, 2007, 13:54
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Re: draft timing
Last year, we began the draft on Aug 16, and completed it on Aug 30.
This year, the opening game of the NFL schedule is on Thursday, Sept. 6. In order to carry out our post-draft claiming process, we should do our best to complete the draft by Sept 2 at the absolute latest.
Although there are always those who want to start ASAP, most seem to prefer waiting as late as possible to begin the draft.
With that in mind, it would seem that we should aim to start the draft sometime in the August 15-18 timeframe.
Question: are there any managers who have availability constraints from August 15-31 that might slow down the draft? Remember that the draft software provides flexible options for setting up queues - which has been instrumental in keeping prior drafts moving along without many pauses.
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| | | 59 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Sun, Jul 29, 2007, 14:30
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I'm going to be out in the RV from 28 Aug to 4 Sept, but don't expect any issues.
Plan to work Mon - Thurs that week and will be able to get in from there.
And can set a queue to finish things out.
And I'm on travel 6-10 Aug, so the other dates are perfect for me.
Cliff
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| | | 60 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 1361448
Sun, Jul 29, 2007, 14:30
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In comparison with recent years, I no longer have "easy access" between roughly 6AM-5PM EST during the week. I'll try my best to setup queues, but considering I'll be making back-2-back picks, they'll probably be dependent on who goes with #1 pick, meaning a) I'll probably forgo automated queues, and send emails to Guru. b) wait until, I'm within access (normally early afternoon-bedtime, and weekends).
Other than that... no "blackout dates" in the immediate future for myself. (Although, it may slow down the draft somewhat)
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| | | 61 | leggestand
ID: 49638288
Sun, Jul 29, 2007, 15:18
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I am going to be out of town August 14-15th on business travel with limited cpu access, so, I'd prefer to start on the 16th. But, I imagine I am going to be towards the bottom of the draft, so, if we start on the 15th and it gets to me by the 16th, I would be fine.
I have a couple other minimal access dates for out of town drafts, but I will be available via cell phone like previous years.
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| | | 62 | beastiemiked
ID: 65112917
Sun, Jul 29, 2007, 16:32
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1. a
2. c
3. b
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| | | 63 | holt
ID: 41512278
Mon, Jul 30, 2007, 07:58
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1. I_A_C
2. The Beezer
3. Holt
4.
5. Bags
6.
7.
8.
9.
10. Guru
11.
12.
13.
14.
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| | | 64 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Jul 30, 2007, 09:16
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From his queue, Smith32 takes the 4th pick.
1. I_A_C
2. The Beezer
3. Holt
4. Smith32
5. Bags
6.
7.
8.
9.
10. Guru
11.
12.
13.
14.
Here are the remaining managers, in order of selection:
7 Nerfherders
8 bmd
9 Greybear
10 youngroman
11 Goatlocker
12 Leggestand
13 Slackjawed Yokels
14 s_R
Nerfherder is up.
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| | | 65 | Nerfherders
ID: 501035289
Mon, Jul 30, 2007, 12:30
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1.c
2.c
3.b
I pick 8th
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| | | 66 | Slackjawed Yokel
Leader
ID: 052347519
Mon, Jul 30, 2007, 20:49
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1. a
2. c
3. a
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| | | 67 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 1361448
Mon, Jul 30, 2007, 21:43
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For the vote on potential rule changes, I believe that the only one missing is Guru's and since he has final decision anyways, heres how the rest of the voting went:
1. 8xa, 0xb, 5xc
2. 2xa, 0xb, 11xc
3. 6xa, 7xb
Draft Slots:
1. I_A_C
2. The Beezer
3. Holt
4. Smith32
5. Bags
6.
7.
8. Nerfherders
9.
10. Guru
11.
12.
13.
14.
Here are the remaining managers, in order of selection:
8 bmd
9 Greybear
10 youngroman
11 Goatlocker
12 Leggestand
13 Slackjawed Yokels
14 s_R
bmd is up.
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| | | 68 | The Beezer
Leader
ID: 191202817
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 00:52
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I just realized that we talked about clarifying tiebreakers for playoff games during last year's playoffs. I'm cool with Guru just picking something that makes sense and going with it, or we can talk it out and vote. I didn't see anything else that required further discussion.
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| | | 69 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 10:05
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How about this: The team with the better seed wins a playoff tie. To advance past a team seeded above you, you have to beat them, not just tie them.
As to the votes, the only issue requiring my vote for a decision is team defense, and I'll vote (b).
So, the results are:
1. The 3rd WR slot will be a WR/TE flex
2. We will stick with the previous IDP configuration (6 total, at least one at each of DL, LB, DB).
3. Team defense: no change in yardage formula |
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| | | 70 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 10:15
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Rules for 2007
Changes & clarifications from prior rules are shown in italics
Roster
1 QB
2 RB
2 WR
1 WR/TE
1 TE
1 K
1 Team def
1 DL
1 LB
1 DB
3 additional IDP (flex)
9 bench
24 Total
Decimal scoring is applied for all categories.
Offense Category Points
(apply only to QB, RB, WR, TE, and K unless otherwise noted)
Passing TD 4
Other TD 6 (all TDs, whether on offense, defense, or special teams)
Passing-2pt conv 1
Other-2pt conv 2
Passing yard 1/25 (i.e., .04 per yard)
Rushing yard 1/10 (i.e., .10 per yard)
Receiving yard 1/10
Punt return yard 1/10 (also applies to IDP)
Kick return yard 1/25 (also applies to IDP)
Kick return 0 (no deduction)
Int, fumbles lost -2
Kicking Points
(apply only to QB, RB, WR, TE, and K)
Extra point made 1
Extra point missed -1
FG under 40 yards 3
FG 40-49 yards 4
FG 50+ yards 5
Missed FG <30 -1
Missed FG 30+ 0
Team Defense Points
(the following points apply only to team defenses)
Sack 1
Interception 2
Fumble recovered 2
TD 6 (excludes TDs on kick or punt returns)
Safety 3
Blocked kick 2
Shutout 10
1-6 defensive points allowed 7
7-13 defensive points allowed 4
14-20 defensive points allowed 1
21-27 defensive points allowed 0
28-34 defensive points allowed -1
35+ defensive points allowed -4
Defensive points allowed exclude TDs scored by the opposing special teams or the opposing defense (i.e., TDs on turnovers, kick/punt returns, or blocked kicks).
Points are assigned for yardage allowed according to the following table:
500+ yards allowed: 0 points
400-499 yards allowed: 1 point
300-399: 2
275-299: 3
250-274: 4
225-249: 5
200-224: 6
175-199: 7
150-174: 8
125-149: 9
under 125: 10
Indiv Defensive Players Points
(the following points apply only to DL, LB, and DB)
Solo Tackle 1
Asst Tackle 0.5
Pass defensed 1
Sack 3 (half sack=1.5)
Interception 3
Fumble forced 2
Fumble recovery 1
TD 6 (all TDs, whether on offense, defense, or special teams)
Safety 3
Unlisted players
During the draft, any player may be drafted, regardless of whether or not the player is listed at the hosting game site. Once the draft is completed, unlisted players may not be added to any roster. This applies for any post-draft waiver processing as well.
In the event that a drafted player is not listed after the draft has completed, a placeholder player will be assigned to the drafting team, to be replaced by the drafted player as soon as he is available.
Priority Claiming
All free agents (any players not on a current roster) are subject to a weekly claiming process at noon on Wednesday. Following the first 6 weeks of the season, the priorities will reset weekly based on the reverse of W/L percentage. After that, priorities will not be reset. Throughout the season, when a player is claimed (either via "free agent priority claim" or a waiver claim), the claiming team moves to the end of the claiming priority list. Following the final regular season game, priorities will be reset based on playoff seed, with the top seed getting the top priority. Thereafter, throughout the playoffs, priorities will again adjust only when a claim is awarded.
Starting at 1:00pm on Wednesday, all free agents may be picked up by any team "first come, first served" without any change in priority status.
(Immediately following the draft, undrafted players will be subject to a priority claiming process, with priorities equal to the reverse of the first round draft order.)
When a player is dropped from a roster, the player will go on waivers for 48 hours. At the end of the 48 hour period, if any team has placed a claim on the player, the team with the highest claiming priority will receive the player. If no claims are submitted, the player becomes a free agent at that time. If a player is dropped within 48 hours of his game freeze, he may not be claimed until the following week's free agent claiming process.
Starting five minutes prior to the scheduled start of each NFL game, no player in that game may be dropped, regardless of whether the player is an active or bench player.
Schedule
13 week round robin
Doubleheaders all weeks 1-13 (play each team twice)
Single elimination playoffs, weeks 14-16
Trades and trade deadline
During the draft, trades may include draft picks. Trades will normally be approved immediately by the Commissioner, assuming they are reasonably balanced. If league managers believe an announced trade is unbalanced, they should protest the trade ASAP.
After the draft, trades will be subject to a review period. For the first 24 hours following a trade, managers may protest a trade by posting a message at the RotoGuru forum, or by sending an email to the Commissioner. If at least 3 managers protest a trade within 24 hours of its announcement, then all managers will be polled within the next 24 hours. If seven or more managers vote to veto a trade, then it will not be approved. If a proposed trade is announced less than 24 hours before the earliest freeze for any player involved, then the entire trade will not be processed until the following week.
If a trade does not receive at least 3 protests, then it will be effective 24 hours after it is announced. If a trade receives at least 3 protests but the protests are not upheld in a full league vote, then the trade will be processed 48 hours after it is announced.
The trade deadline is 11:30pm EST on November 9.
Playoffs
8 teams
Top 6 W/L records are seeded 1-6
Top remaining total points are seeded 7-8
Teams with equivalent W/L records are seeded based on head-to-head first, then total points
Bracket is fixed (no reseeding after each round)
Players at the primary skill positions (QB, RB, WR) and team defenses may not be added for any reason during the playoffs. Free agents at these positions will be locked out after the final regular season game. You may drop a player at one of these positions, but once dropped, that player cannot be added later.
Players at the other positions (TE, PK, IDP) may be added or dropped according to normal regular season guidelines, subject to playoff claiming priorities, if applicable.
If a playoff game ends in a tie score, the team with the better seed shall advance.
Team which are not still active in the Championship playoffs may not make any transactions - adds or drops - even if they are still competing in the Consolation bracket.
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| | | 71 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 10:22
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Administrative update:
2 managers have not yet registered for the league at Fanball:
Holt
Slackjawed Yokel
As an aside, any manager may rename his team at Fanball. If you do so, please keep the name somewhat intuitive, so that league outsiders can figure out which team is associated with each manager.
2 managers have not yet registered for the draft at kafenatid.net:
Holt
Nerfherders
Although there is no urgent need to register immediately, the sooner we complete those tasks, the less I need to keep checking on it.
If anyone needs instructions for registering at either site, let me know.
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| | | 72 | Greybear
ID: 33602811
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 10:48
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Hi Guys,
I have to leave town for business for the remainder of the day. I gave my queue to Letter_J who plays in the league below. He will post for me if I am still away from my office.
Best,
G.
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| | | 73 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 11:09
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Guru - are you sure about changing the Team D scoring? I think "B's" won, so, that would be "no change."
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| | | 74 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 11:14
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Oops. You are right. I was ambivalent about that issue, and decided I would go with the majority in a close vote. I'll fix it.
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| | | 75 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 11:30
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Greybear - to avoid potential confusion of your team name with Goatlocker's team, I've renamed it from "Vicious Goats" to "Greybear's Vicious Goats"
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| | | 76 | beastiemiked
ID: 65112917
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 14:13
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Draft Slots:
1. I_A_C
2. The Beezer
3. Holt
4. Smith32
5. Bags
6.
7. bmd
8. Nerfherders
9.
10. Guru
11.
12.
13.
14.
Here are the remaining managers, in order of selection:
9 Greybear
10 youngroman
11 Goatlocker
12 Leggestand
13 Slackjawed Yokels
14 s_R
Greybear is up
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| | | 77 | Letter_J
ID: 353551013
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 14:20
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As she stated in post 72, Greybear left me with a queue:
Greybear's Vicious Goats will select 9th.
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| | | 78 | youngroman
ID: 3751268
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 14:32
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that leaves me with the 11th pick.
1. I_A_C
2. The Beezer
3. Holt
4. Smith32
5. Bags
6.
7. bmd
8. Nerfherders
9. Greybear
10. Guru
11. youngroman
12.
13.
14.
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| | | 79 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 17:04
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I'll take the 6th slot.
1. I_A_C
2. The Beezer
3. Holt
4. Smith32
5. Bags
6. GoatLocker
7. bmd
8. Nerfherders
9. Greybear
10. Guru
11. youngroman
12.
13.
14.
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| | | 80 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Tue, Jul 31, 2007, 17:25
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I'll take the 12th slot.
1. I_A_C
2. The Beezer
3. Holt
4. Smith32
5. Bags
6. GoatLocker
7. bmd
8. Nerfherders
9. Greybear
10. Guru
11. youngroman
12. leggestand
13.
14.
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| | | 81 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Wed, Aug 01, 2007, 16:30
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Anyone hear from Yokels?
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| | | 82 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Wed, Aug 01, 2007, 17:23
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I just dropped him an email to make sure he knows we're waiting on him.
Cliff
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| | | 83 | Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Wed, Aug 01, 2007, 19:07
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I don't usually post and interrupt you guys, but I do frequently read your posts. I was wondering if any of you had culdeus's e-mail address. I haven't been able to find it around here. I know he was very active in RIFC last year and I would like to send him an e-mail inviting him to AAA#2 since he is qualified. If any of you have it and don't mind sharing it could you send me an e-mail. If you don't want to share it and wouldn't mind sending him an e-mail could you attach my address to it, and then he could let me know since I am commishing. He seemed like a stat nut and I wouldn't mind having another one in the league. Thanks for the help!
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| | | 84 | holt
ID: 41512278
Wed, Aug 01, 2007, 19:33
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cpeterso@mail.smu.edu
that's from 2 seasons ago, so...
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| | | 85 | Slackjawed Yokel
Leader
ID: 052347519
Wed, Aug 01, 2007, 22:33
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I'll take 13th... so that set's the order as follows:
1. I_A_C
2. The Beezer
3. Holt
4. Smith32
5. Bags
6. GoatLocker
7. bmd
8. Nerfherders
9. Greybear
10. Guru
11. youngroman
12. leggestand
13. Yokels
14. s_R
My bad, I thought I registered the other day at fanball, but apparently just created an account.
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| | | 86 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Aug 02, 2007, 12:27
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Everybody has joined at Fanball now. Thanks.
Nerfherders has not yet signed up for the draft at Kafenatid.net.
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| | | 87 | Smith32
Sustainer
ID: 139592519
Sat, Aug 04, 2007, 13:26
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Are there any requirements for position eligibility? Do we just go by whatever position Fanball lists for a given player?
I'm fine with starting the draft around the 15th. My only significant conflict would be Aug 31 - Sept 2, so that shouldn't cause much trouble.
Smith32
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| | | 88 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 1361448
Sat, Aug 04, 2007, 14:30
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Position eligibility = whatever fanball says on the day you draft the player.
IF fanball should change his position... it'll only be changed IF you drop the player (I believe).
I would have to go back and lookup the Demarcus Ware threads from a few years back.
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| | | 89 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 1361448
Sat, Aug 04, 2007, 19:19
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I know its kinda early for this... but just wanted to put it out there. If anyone is interested in the 28th/29th overall (3.01 pref) pick in the draft, I'm considering maybe moving down in the 3rd round, for an upgrade in one or more future rounds.
If you have an offer, I'll be watching my Inbox.
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| | | 90 | leggestand
ID: 5973449
Sat, Aug 04, 2007, 20:04
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I may be interested IAC, but I won't know for sure until we start the draft. Keep me in mind.
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| | | 91 | judy
ID: 7771722
Sun, Aug 05, 2007, 19:51
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Guru (or anyone who knows!)
How do I set up the flex WR/TE in the AOL scoring rules?
Thanks.
Judy (AA Commish)
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| | | 92 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Aug 05, 2007, 21:08
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Judy - set up WR for a min of 2 and a max of 3.
Set up TE for a min of 1 and a max of 2
[87] - Whatever Fanball lists for eligibility as of the time you draft a player will persist as long as you own that player.
If Fanball changes a player's eligibility, you have the option to accept the new position, but you will then lose the original designation. If you keep the original designation, but then drop the player, any team that picks him up will have to use the new designation.
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| | | 93 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 1361448
Tue, Aug 07, 2007, 09:10
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FYI - Legge... shot you off an email (one found in Fanball), about what I'd be looking for in exchange for 3.01.
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| | | 94 | Kyle
Donor
ID: 052753312
Tue, Aug 07, 2007, 10:44
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Sorry to barge in again...
Holt
Fugazi is your brother right? If so can you please let him know that he is up to pick and that he needs to register for kafenatid and our AOL league. I am not sure but he seems unresponsive to e-mail.
The e-mail i have is m**********e@hotmail.com. If there's a better/different e-mail to reach him will you please let me know. Thanks!
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| | | 95 | holt
ID: 41512278
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 06:40
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ok will do kyle
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| | | 96 | leggestand
Leader
ID: 451036518
Wed, Aug 08, 2007, 10:27
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IAC - got your email. Will respond today.
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| | | 97 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Aug 11, 2007, 11:06
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I'm leaning toward starting the draft on Thursday, August 16. I assume that date works for everyone?
I will be driving all day on Friday, Aug 17, so I may need someone as a designated picker to call my cell that day, depending on where things stand. Volunteers?
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| | | 98 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 1361448
Sat, Aug 11, 2007, 11:24
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I don't have anything confirmed yet, but I've heard rumblings, that I might be working out of town starting Wednesday. It'd help me out if someone could take my queue, or if we could start the draft w/o clock a little bit earlier. I really don't need time to think about the #1... it's an automatic.
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| | | 99 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Sat, Aug 11, 2007, 15:25
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Guru,
I should be just fine to help on Friday.
Thursdays are my bad day at work, but usually Fridays are okay.
Would be more than willing to help if that works for you.
Cliff
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