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Subject: Gurupie 24 2009 Season 8 Discussion

Posted by: Ref - Donor [539581218] Sun, Sep 06, 2009, 13:20

Pre-season Discussion

Keeper Declarations

Supplemental Draft

Draft Discussion Thread

Welcome ot our 8th season!

Waivers have been turned on and he season is underway. You all should have gotten an email. CBS no longer allows waivers to run in the preseason on any day. It makes sense as waivers never need to be run on a Mon or Tues during the season. Anyhow, waivers will run for the first time on change of day on Tues/Wed which is about 2 am on Wed. If you want to make a waiver claim, it needs to be in before that time. FAs will open up after that time.

Please post all draft recaps or draft specific comments in the draft discussion thread for now.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Sep 09, 2009, 13:07

Don't forget Pick-ems!

beastiemiked
ID: 35621411
Wed, Sep 09, 2009, 13:25

Can we opt out of pick'ems? I alway manage to miss 2 weeks which completely ruins my chances and makes me angry :)

deepsnapper
Leader
ID: 017103420
Wed, Sep 09, 2009, 15:48

Not many teams in yet. Lots of close match ups though.

Great One
ID: 258888
Wed, Sep 09, 2009, 15:52

I used to be able to handle it, and I thought it was useful cause I learned about the other teams. But with double the games I find I just don't have the time each week.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Sep 09, 2009, 16:09

Pick-ems is purely voluntary each season. GO wanted the drop a low week and we did that. We asked about eliminating it and yet some people really want it left in. But I'd say if we can't get half the teams participating in it--we drop it for next season. It's $1 andwinner takes all. I think the one season I won I got like $10.

Slizz
ID: 557152814
Wed, Sep 09, 2009, 16:52

lets see some more analysis on the draft if you guys have time.

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Wed, Sep 09, 2009, 17:27

Sent out payment info. If you didn't get it you can find it on the league message board.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Sep 09, 2009, 18:04

Holy Smokes. Slizz wrote a book in the draft discussion thread. Guru might have to buy some more bandwidth to account for that. ;)

Only three recaps done. Used to be that people clammored for a separate thread just on it.

Peter N.
ID: 37121718
Wed, Sep 09, 2009, 19:32

It would've been better to go ahead and create a seperate thread for the recap. As far as my strategy, I didn't have one. I basically flew by the seat of my pants, lol. Special thanks to ds and ref for the cover throughout the draft.

Building 7
ID: 43735169
Wed, Sep 09, 2009, 23:43

Is it possible to start a different lineup in each game?

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Sep 10, 2009, 00:17

No.

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Thu, Sep 10, 2009, 15:35

Deepsnapper, you've got mail

Great One
ID: 258888
Thu, Sep 10, 2009, 15:35

I'm looking for a young tight end.

Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Thu, Sep 10, 2009, 15:42

Try San Francisco.

:)

Great One
ID: 258888
Thu, Sep 10, 2009, 16:16

Species and Blue Hen have told me how much they love it there. Damn, they aren't in this league.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Sep 10, 2009, 16:53

No, those are Wide Receivers.

Frick lost his rights to Grossman as explained in our draft discussion thread.

Still only SEVEN people have posted picks for Pick-ems. If you miss this week, you can still join next week as we throw out the low week--but if we don't get more particiaption, this game will not be available to ANY of us next season. The last time we wre going to nuke it--there was a big outcry and like 18 managers played it.

Also only a handful of people have posted comments in draft recap thread. I hope at least the league is reading it.

Slackjawed Yokel
ID: 357352016
Thu, Sep 10, 2009, 17:38

yeah, I think I'm going to skip pick 'ems... I always forget a week or two and find myself out of contention - one less thing to do each week.

By the way, are all the league's treasuries combined? I was hoping to use some hoops $$ to pay for the football entry fees.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Sep 10, 2009, 17:45

Pick-ems: If I had known that people were goign to skip them we wouldn't have had it this year.

Treasuries for football are separate since Cards does football and Guru does baseball and hoops.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Sep 10, 2009, 18:00

CCRider will be using this as his low week since he can't get to a computer before gmae time. SO there is 8 now.

deepsnapper
Leader
ID: 017103420
Thu, Sep 10, 2009, 18:46

Last minute trade between 49ers & Eagles.

49ers trade B. Westbrook & D. Culpepper for Eagles' Roethlisberger & C. Benson.

Kirk - please confirm.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Sep 10, 2009, 18:54

He doesn't need to confirm as it's on CBS. He also left me instructions to put his players he traded for into his lineup should a trade be accepted in time.

HUGE trade. Should help both teams.

Great One
ID: 24723111
Thu, Sep 10, 2009, 19:06

I can't handle not being involved in all these trades, my hands are shaking... I need a fix...

Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Thu, Sep 10, 2009, 19:18

Last second trade between the Falcons & Browns: Donald Driver for Marc Bulger straight up, no picks.

Frick
ID: 4945458
Thu, Sep 10, 2009, 19:25

I'm not interested in pick'ems.

deepsnapper
Leader
ID: 017103420
Thu, Sep 10, 2009, 19:30

I went like 3 years w/o a trade. I can't believe I'm making these trades. lol

[21] Thx for posting Westy in my lineup.

Judy - an eagle on the Eagles. lol

Peter N.
ID: 37121718
Thu, Sep 10, 2009, 19:39

Wow, go ds go! One problem though, you are my division...crap.

StLCards
ID: 30759250
Thu, Sep 10, 2009, 19:52

It won't feel the same without Westbrook in my lineup but it would have felt worse to possibly go the season without a QB. Ideally I could have traded for a veteran QB for a 1 year stint, but this gives me a better chance than no QB. Certainly don't like to see my division rival with Rodgers (whom I cut to replace an injured TE 2 years ago), AP, and Westy though. That will be tough to beat on any given Sunday.

Thanks DS and nice doing business with you. I'm sure it will help us both.

StLCards
ID: 30759250
Thu, Sep 10, 2009, 21:16

Negative points at the end of the first quarter for Big Ben. Too late to get my money back?

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Sep 10, 2009, 21:18

The RBs that were traded went into the active lineup on their own. I had to put Roeth in Cards lineup though as he had another QB in there.

I think both of these trades help all teams involved. Nicely done. A little surprised at the enormity of the first one--but definitely see the benefits for both--well done.

When DS makes traeds he wins it all!! That's bad news for the rest of us. That VY trade really helped him for last year. His trade partner Doug ws the runner up though and his squad may be the odds-on-favorite to win it all this season.

Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Thu, Sep 10, 2009, 23:05

I'm really liking the KR points rule change!

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Fri, Sep 11, 2009, 00:06

wow -- surprised by the Westie trade and so late.
Westie (starter) + Culpepper (back up) for Big Ben (starter and young) + Benson (starter).
hmmm.

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Fri, Sep 11, 2009, 00:07

Also, I gotta make a cheat sheet to match up you guys and your teams, since the NFL
names give no clue as to who you are! The posts have me all confused as to what team
is getting who!

StLCards
ID: 30759250
Fri, Sep 11, 2009, 00:36

Westbrook is money cause he gets yds rushing and passing and has a knack for finding the endzone. Big Ben is steady but not typically going to get you a Brees or Manning type of points and Benson has already failed miserably at RB for one team, so no bets on him. Personally I'd rather have had a bottom tier starting QB plus Westbrook (the Eagles offense doesn't work without him) but am satisfied with Big Ben and hoping Benson has found new life and can be more consistent. Consistent points will win you lots of games in this league.

Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Fri, Sep 11, 2009, 01:01

If Ben stays healthy he's money. Westbrook has had the Midas touch for years, but the wear & tear might be catching up with him.

judy
ID: 5321213
Sun, Sep 13, 2009, 14:39

yo where is everybody??? Games on!

judy
ID: 5321213
Sun, Sep 13, 2009, 16:25

Early report from CSN Philly -- McNabb cracked ribs out 2-4 weeks
Late hit -- he was speared in the end zone after he scored. There had better be a big $$$$$
fine there!
I am doomed!

Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Sun, Sep 13, 2009, 16:48

Ouch! Didn't see that play, but their defense was incredible today.

money4later
ID: 2111213116
Sun, Sep 13, 2009, 16:54

A very popular pick in ULT FB (Hasselbeck) with 2 INT's early. Not good

judy
ID: 5321213
Sun, Sep 13, 2009, 18:45

Eagles update --"just one broken rib. We'll see" -- Andy Reid
you can bet that they have already called Feely...and vice versa

Great One
ID: 24723111
Sun, Sep 13, 2009, 18:52

44 points in this league for Eagles D... that was just freaking great luck to get matched up against that mess opening week.

Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Sun, Sep 13, 2009, 18:55

Yeah, same here. While it was nice that Delhomme self-destructed, everything negative for him was a positive for the Eagle D.

Slizz
ID: 557152814
Sun, Sep 13, 2009, 19:01

hey judy - want harrison back? lol. i'll do that trade straight up now!

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Sun, Sep 13, 2009, 21:15

no Slizz, that's OK. Thanks for offering. Good week for me!! Lotsa points...

Great One
ID: 4778411
Mon, Sep 14, 2009, 10:29

and I don't need a young tight end anymore, I've got Todd Heap!

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Sep 14, 2009, 12:58

My first week has been a disaster thus far. I seriously considered starting Ricky or Collie over Berrian. Figured Ricky simply because of the GL chances but right before I was about to change it--I saw where Berrian is active and will start--so I left it. UGH! AAA1 wsan't much better. Things I thoguth would materialize just didn't as a whole. Oh well. Damn broken crystal ball.

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Mon, Sep 14, 2009, 13:40

wow -- so glad I was able to grab Kolb --"just in case". Donovan out week 2 "for sure" and
maybe longer. Kolb/Vick for week 3 would not be a bad mix??? We have a bye week 4. Kolb did
Ok in his final preseason -- with a week's worth of first team reps we shall really see if he is any
good...

My team did OK, considering the McNabb injury -- when was the last time he only had 79 yards
passing? Won't have to worry about no QB on his bye week now -- the others can pick up the
slack!

Slizz
ID: 557152814
Mon, Sep 14, 2009, 13:46

i should refrain from trading with you again!

roddy white & ryan grant for deion branch and a 1st

now tim hightower for jerome harrison and a 2nd.

the guys I get just continually suck!

at least i got earl bennett as a consolation prize :)

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Mon, Sep 14, 2009, 14:05

wow --Urlacher out for the season -- wrist surgery this am. That's a blow to the Bears DEF.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Sep 15, 2009, 00:50

Looks like I made a miraculous comeback thanks to Cooper. I was seriously considering keeping him but he was regarded so low that I thought I could get him back in the draft. He's doing even better than I had hoped and appears to have won me Game #2 even though I left some points on my bench. Go COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!

Toral
ID: 4155487
Tue, Sep 15, 2009, 08:33

Well the Bills broke my heart again...but they did score enuf Team D points to give me a win...and kept me alive in the Pick the Loser pool....

Great One
ID: 40814158
Tue, Sep 15, 2009, 09:14

Did the Scheffler owner get credit for his big INT?

Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Tue, Sep 15, 2009, 09:57

Nope. According to CBS:

"Scheffler also was in on the Bengals' last play of the game -- a Hail Mary pass that he intercepted. The interception will not count in CBSSports.com leagues as we do not score interceptions for individual offensive players"

Similiar to not counting it when a pitcher hits a dinger, I guess. It was the longest pass he'll probably catch this year!

Great One
ID: 40814158
Tue, Sep 15, 2009, 10:07

Thats garbage, what if Hester played some CB cause of injury or something... it wouldn't count?

Yahoo even counts tackles made by offensive players post-INT or fumble.

Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Tue, Sep 15, 2009, 10:25

I agree. Seems very short sighted by CBS. The play never made a difference in either of my games, but I'm sure it did somewhere in the CBS universe.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Sep 15, 2009, 11:09

I know we would credit him if he scored a TD. What happens when DL Allen plays on O? I know we always gave him the TD points but I don't think we ever gave him the yards. If there is precedent than I think we'd go in and manually adjust for the INT--but I don't think we did except for scores.

Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Tue, Sep 15, 2009, 11:30

If it were up to me alone, I think that any play which scores points should score points for any player on your active roster. Not just TDs.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Sep 15, 2009, 11:38

On the face of it, I concur. It seems to me that if a O player is playing on D or a D player is playing on O, they should have those points. The problem is that we might not catch all those plays. But we do manually score negative yards as well as IDP and DST fumbles after a turnover. WHile teh neg yards show up and are easy--we have to be alerted to the fumble lost after a FR or INT.

I am against an O player getting a point for a tackle after a turnover as they are playing on O and not D at the start of the play.

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Tue, Sep 15, 2009, 12:48

Scenario: What if Scheffler started the play on offense, a defensive player intercepted a pass, Scheffler made the tackle, forced a fumble, picked it up then ran it in for a TD what would we score that for our league? Is everything he did as a "defensive" player in that scenario moot but the TD would count?

Great One
ID: 40814158
Tue, Sep 15, 2009, 12:57

I am visualizing a play in 1986 where the Buc's picked off a pass from Jim McMahon - then tried to lateral - and Willie Gualt(!) grabbed the lateral and ran it in for a TD.

Top that memory Bears fans!

Great One
ID: 40814158
Tue, Sep 15, 2009, 12:57

Guess that was 1985 season actually...

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Sep 15, 2009, 13:02

re: 58 correct.

We discussed crediting the O player with a FR, but did not do it because that is a defensive stat and he was playing on O. But we did agree to manually dock a DST and IDP who turns the ball back over after they record a turnover. The though being was if they got poitns for that turnover they should have to lose points for giving it back. In our scoring system though a INT then FL still nets positive points. Other scenarios exists where it would be a positive too--but losing that 2 points is fair. ST FL is automatically scored by CBS.

Slizz
ID: 288571512
Tue, Sep 15, 2009, 14:42

RE: 59 - while it doesnt apply to the scenario you are referring too...Devin Hester's opening kickoff return TD in the Super Bowl is probably my favorite. 2001 provided a couple good memories as well:

Mike Brown - Back 2 Back Pick 6's in OT during 2001

The Bears were 5-1 after that awesome comeback (Play #1 in the linked video) vs. 49ers (12-4 at seasons' end) and hosting Cleveland the following week. Any true Bears fan will remember this sequence of events:

The Bears found themselves down 21-7 needing a TD on the 2 minute drill, onside kick recovery, and yet another TD (+PAT) to tie the game. Sure enough, the immortal Shane Matthews drives Chicago down the field for a score to make it 21-14. Unfortunately, the Bears are out of timeouts (I believe), need to recover an onside kick, and there are about 25 seconds or so left on the clock. Sure enough, my boy Paul Edinger perfectly executes the onside kick and its "OMG CAN THE CARDIAC BEARS DO IT IN BACK TO BACK WEEKS!??!?!?!"

Shane gets a couple dink and dank passes off to advance to the Cleveland 35 to set up the game-tying (I hope) hail mary pass (no time on the clock at this point). He drops back, rolls out to the right to chuck up a desperation pass to David Terrell...the ball gets knocked in the air by a Cleveland defender floating towards the back right pylon about to land out of bounds (which, at the time, seemed like forever!)...out of nowhere comes James Allen (Bears RB) diving towards the ball and taps two feet in...TOUCHDOWN BEARS!!!!!!!! I jump up out of the la-z-boy with a ferocious "YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!" matching the frenzied Soldier Field crowd as my right fist went right through my best friends' drop ceiling, thus breaking the panel/tile/etc. (side note - he had an extra, so i was safe...)

Overtime comes, Bears win the toss, go 3 and out...than Mike Brown OT Magic in the second consecutive week (as evidenced above)!

BTW - If anyone has a video link to this, please send it my way...I can't seem to find it anywhere!!!

Doug
ID: 467191415
Tue, Sep 15, 2009, 15:04

> The thought being was if they got points for that turnover they should have to lose points for giving it back.

I agree... but then by that same logic if an offensive player loses points for a turnover, shouldn't they get points for taking it back (via FF or FR?)

StLCards
ID: 30759250
Tue, Sep 15, 2009, 20:45

Any play that isn't scored automatically by cbs is going to be problematic because there are too many games and too many different situations that we would never get them all.

IIRC, My Fantasy League (MFL) had scoring options for defensive players fumbling, offensive fumble recoveries etc. Unfortunately cbs is very limited on scoring options.

CBS has the superior user interface, but the game engine is not really as powerful.

Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Tue, Sep 15, 2009, 21:16

McKelvin's fumble doesn't appear to be scored either, fyi. Strange--it directly led to NE's victory.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Sep 15, 2009, 23:50

If CBS doesn't adjust that--we will have to do so. Plays like this may have to be brought to our attention at times--but it needs to be doen before the next week starts as provided by our league rules. Typically scoring is "official" today but there are NFL chagnes at times in some weeks which change stats. This is something that was pretty obvious and by our rules should be a -2 for the FL.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Sep 16, 2009, 00:43

Cards and I figured out the issue. Apparently CBS does not give an IDP the option to lose a fumble. An offensive player does count when the lose it on a return though. Increidible.

Anyhow, here is our only recourse. To deduct it manually. This means that you may have to let us know when an IDP loses a fumble. Per our rules this must be done before the next weeks games begin. So you might have to do some legwork on your opponents IDP players to see if any of them had a FL.

I had thought we had it set up so DST's would also lose 2 points on a FL, but we dont see that option either. So unless it gives -2 for an Off player losing a fumble on the DST, we are not going to mess with that for now. What a nightmare.

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Sep 16, 2009, 14:15

On the home page, what does the negative number under the
"roster" mean? Some teams have them, some don't...

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Wed, Sep 16, 2009, 14:34

It's basically the current line for the game. If you look at scoring/preview, you will see the predicted amount of points based on the currently set lineup for each team. The number shown on the front is simply the difference.

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Wed, Sep 16, 2009, 14:36

I'm assuming the negative number you see when the scores tab is selected on the front page and the negative just happens to line up under 'roster'. Standings and roster are actually separate tabs that have different information when they are selected.

beastiemiked
ID: 35621411
Thu, Sep 17, 2009, 11:09

Adrian Wilson was credited with a forced fumble that isn't showing up on week 1's scoring.

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Thu, Sep 17, 2009, 13:34

I see a forced fumble in the 4th quarter for Adrian Wilson in nfl.com but not in cbs or yahoo.

beastiemiked
ID: 35621411
Fri, Sep 18, 2009, 01:53

It's not in Yahoo's box score but it is in Wilson's player page.

StLCards
ID: 30759250
Fri, Sep 18, 2009, 10:14

I sent an inquiry to cbs about it. Our rules state that cbs stats is the official stats.

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Sat, Sep 19, 2009, 14:40

Ok - who will it be? Kolb or McNabb? Anybody have a site I can use from my iPhone that
accurately lists inactives"? What time do they do this? I am generally in busy or transit from 8
am to almost 1:00 and wanna get the right guy!

Also regarding the live scoring previews/ Who does these things?

AZ match up with Seattle --> 108-77 Seattle, but
C Johnson 15 vs D Jack 3 (I mean I know the Philly QB will be weak but hello - Stafford??)
Evans 12 vs Henderson 3 (Dev might be limited by the Eagles D, but 12 -3, more like 9 - 5? Also
TO wants the ball -- remember?)
GB DEF 14 vs NYG 5 (I know the Jints are banged up but try 10 - 5 instead)

AZ match up with Ravens --> Ravens 102 - 77 but
Mason 13 vs D Jack 3 (Just 'cause Mason looked good last week? more like 9 - 5)
Marshall 13 vs Henderson (This might work but who is to say which Marshall will show up?)
MIA 10 vs NYG 5 (Huh? More like even.)

We shall see!

Peter N.
ID: 10831414
Sat, Sep 19, 2009, 15:54

Judy, take the CBS guru predictions with a grain of salt. They are almost never right. For example, I seriously doubt I beat StLCards by 44. :-)

Promize
ID: 551462816
Sat, Sep 19, 2009, 19:16

Judy, not sure about the iPhone part, but I found that
http://www.footballdiehards.com/

Is probably one of my favorite websites for having accurate information before gametime.

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Sat, Sep 19, 2009, 23:13

thanks promize -- I can get to any website on the iPhone. I just read on MFL/RIFC that Kolb was named the
starter. I'l double check tomorrow of course.

I think it is a good move as we need him healthy for the rest of the season. If Kolb can manage the game and
Westie and D Jack play well, our DEF could be the difference. Brees' 3 step drop will be the big problem and I
doubt we will get to him often...Our DEF has to play well.

StLCards
ID: 30759250
Sat, Sep 19, 2009, 23:22

The reply from cbs was that since the stat change occurred after their Tuesday deadline they won't add it. Our deadline is before the next game so we are making the adjustment to credit the FF for Adrian Wilson.

slizz-blackberry
ID: 55811923
Sun, Sep 20, 2009, 00:01

Download "ubertwitter" or a comparable twitter app for the iphone or blackberry.

Only caveat is that you have to follow a bunch of journalists such as @si_peterking, @adam_schefter, @jay_glazer, @mortreport, @yahoosportsnfl, @ravensinsider, @richeisen, @bradbiggs (chicago bears beat writer), etc.

They will "tweet" the breaking news of who is starting/who is sitting as soon as they hear it. No editor to run the story by, no waiting for camera time, etc. Best of all, ubertwitter automatically refreshes the newsfeed so you know if your guy is inactive or not.

judy
ID: 5321213
Sun, Sep 20, 2009, 13:21

yahoo Kolb to D Jack lotsa points for me!! I feel good for Kolb --
lotta pressure today.

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Sun, Sep 20, 2009, 22:32

Q

Under the DST it lists among many other things the # of tackles a DST makes. Do we get
points for that or are they just telling us that stat because they can??

Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Sun, Sep 20, 2009, 22:35

It is part of the score for the DST. If you are on the Live Scoring page, click on the score amount and a box will come up breaking it all down for you.

StLCards
ID: 30759250
Sun, Sep 20, 2009, 23:16

The scoring category for tackles is for DST and IDP. We assign 0 points per tackle for DST as that is not a DST stat for us, so it shows up in the live scoring, but it is being scored a 0.

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Sep 22, 2009, 00:00

shoot -- lost one game 'cause the refs blew the second NYG INT DTD dead...gotta wait on that
whistle guys -- it's called "holding your whistle" and all the great ones do it!

Great One
ID: 24723111
Tue, Sep 22, 2009, 00:09

I'm holding my whistle right now. She's right.

Great One
ID: 24723111
Tue, Sep 22, 2009, 00:10

I was pissed they called back Kenny Phillips TD too, then I realized I benched him so I was ok with it. But I started Antrel Rolle there so it worked out anyway.

Building 7
ID: 471052128
Tue, Sep 22, 2009, 09:43

A 60 yard TD pass, and a sack/fumble in the last 4 minutes to get a win. Sorry coach judy.

deepsnapper
ID: 168481416
Tue, Sep 22, 2009, 09:51

ESPN's Sportscenter is reporting on Favre's "bent fingernail" that he got on that TD pass to Harvin. Give me a friggin break. Guys going down with MCL's strains and torn ACLs and they report on a bent fingernail. God forbid he farts, someone may try and capture it in a jar and sell it on EBay.

Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Fri, Sep 25, 2009, 00:05

I just have to express a little frustration that Sportsline isn't including any kick return yardage when you look at the player stats. We added kr yardage to improve the pool of players to look at, but if CBS isn't going to provide the information when you look at FA (for instance) then we don't have all the information to make good choices.

PITA.

youngroman
Donor
ID: 02934823
Fri, Sep 25, 2009, 03:00

they have this information, but a bit hidden. you need to select the stats-type "scoring" to include return yards.

here are our DBs with return stats

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Fri, Sep 25, 2009, 09:17

They don't provide it for projections and with the way return people change that is understandable, but they do offer it for previous years and for year to date, using the 'scoring' as YR said.

Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Fri, Sep 25, 2009, 10:09

That is useful, thanks. Too bad they don't offer return point totals for all players at once (you have to compare across positions, it seems). Clunky.

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Fri, Sep 25, 2009, 18:43

Just select all flex IDP or all QB/RB/WR/TE and then you only have
to look through two position categories.

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Fri, Sep 25, 2009, 18:50

In the my team window, what is the difference between the columns labeled avg and guru?
Are those points of some kind?

youngroman
Donor
ID: 02934823
Sat, Sep 26, 2009, 04:30

avg = point average to date
guru = projected points for next game. return stats not included

deepsnapper
ID: 168481416
Sun, Sep 27, 2009, 12:50

Welker & Westbrook both inactive today. The "W's" dislike me today. Doesn't bode well for Nate Washington. lol

Sure hope Bo comes thru as a flex vs the Jets. ugh.

deepsnapper
ID: 168481416
Sun, Sep 27, 2009, 12:53

crap - Bo's out too. oh well.

100

judy
ID: 5321213
Sun, Sep 27, 2009, 14:57

wash got himself a TD -on my rifc bench of course!

101

Great One
ID: 49852811
Mon, Sep 28, 2009, 12:05

Another thing I hate about CBS is I can't set lineups in advance. If I were gone for a couple weeks I couldn't get my bye's out of the lineup in advance.

I hope having Cotchery and Harvin on the bench doesn't come back to bite me tonight. Too many good players!

102

slizz
ID: 108342815
Mon, Sep 28, 2009, 16:34

If you don't want to worry about harvin on your bench, let me know! :)

103

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Mon, Sep 28, 2009, 18:14

tough decisions there. GO.

I second slizz's offer to relieve you of Harvin... I have him on my other two teams and
to have him on all three would be so nice!

104

Great One
ID: 24723111
Mon, Sep 28, 2009, 20:56

In all seriousness though, while it does get annoying to have to make tough decisions each week - that depth will be nice during byes and the inevitable injuries.

105

Toral
ID: 4155487
Mon, Sep 28, 2009, 22:12

Yeah, when you need to pick up guys to cover byes, you can just release your depth and end your problem.

106

Doug
ID: 3630123
Mon, Sep 28, 2009, 22:50

It's not often that heading into the 4th quarter of the Monday Night game I'm 50/50 on whether I'll wind up going 0-2 or 2-0 for the week.

Come on Jake!

(That long TD pass to Muhammad getting called back was a groaner, lol)

107

Perm Dude
ID: 438132822
Mon, Sep 28, 2009, 23:13

Here here! Go Panthers!

108

Doug
ID: 3630123
Mon, Sep 28, 2009, 23:26

LOL... and every time he completes it to DeAngelo it actually helps in one game and hurts in the other! That last scramble helped... 3 mins to go and still no idea if I'll go 0-2 or 2-0!

109

Doug
ID: 3630123
Mon, Sep 28, 2009, 23:31

O. M. F. G.

LOL.

WTF?

110

Perm Dude
ID: 438132822
Mon, Sep 28, 2009, 23:40

Damn. 20 (guru)point swing there in the last 6 minutes of the game.

111

Toral
ID: 4155487
Tue, Sep 29, 2009, 08:09

Jonathan Stewart, you're a disgrace to a noble name.

112

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Tue, Sep 29, 2009, 10:13

The first bye week is not the best time to be looking for bye week
replacement DST.

After the Panthers goose egg last night, I'm not sure I should even
bother to try and get one, but if anyone is dying to make a trade,
I'll take any offers under advisement.

113

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Sep 29, 2009, 10:51

second half worked out really well for me (AZ)!!!
nice not to be robbed by the refs (last weeks blown INT/DTD call on the NYG).

114

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Tue, Sep 29, 2009, 12:23

I had zero expectectaions of me winning our game, Judy. But it
was interesting for a short while.

115

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Sep 30, 2009, 14:37

this is gonna be a tough week -- no QB and no D Jack. We shall see how it goes... maybe my DEF and IDP will
step up BIG!

116

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Wed, Sep 30, 2009, 15:18

It figures that my backup QB can't even make it to week 4 without getting demoted. Lefwich the only reason you were drafted was to fill in for Warner's bye week...you troll. I figure he might still get some starts if Johnson gets hammered early, but I'll probably be better off with a zero than trying to trade for another sorry backup for one week.

117

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Sep 30, 2009, 17:55

skinneej -- do we play each other? That would seem fair???

118

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Sep 30, 2009, 18:02

Hey Doug (OAK), both our teams have zero ratings at QB this week!
That'll even the playing field a bit...

119

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Thu, Oct 01, 2009, 12:57

(116) I kept Pennington for my bye week QB and possible trade
material for someone elses bye week filler. And next week was the
only week I really needed him.

Stick a fork in that plan.

120

Great One
ID: 49852811
Thu, Oct 01, 2009, 14:20

Am I technically in 1st right now? If so I'd like to propose a vote to end the season Sunday to coincide with baseball.

121

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Thu, Oct 01, 2009, 19:32

[120]
I vote "no" :)

[119]
I only picked up Leftwich 'cause I thought Edwards would be really bad -- Trent is
doing OK -- certainly better than Leftwich... I should be OK after this week for the
QB spot.

I wonder if anyone will pick up Garcia? I see some candidates out there...

122

judy
ID: 597401015
Sat, Oct 03, 2009, 00:07

This is a "lost week" for me. I have 5 of my seven subs on BYE and my K
injured with Grossman as my QB... After this week though, I should be good
to go...

123

beastiemiked
ID: 35621411
Sat, Oct 03, 2009, 11:54

CBS score predictors are hilarious. Do kickers really get -1 point a lot?

124

StLCards
ID: 30759250
Sat, Oct 03, 2009, 21:00

So much for the 'steal of the draft'. James Davis just landed on IR after scoring 1 point for the season.

125

Slizz
ID: 13104129
Sun, Oct 04, 2009, 11:43

Maybe the Harrison trade will finally pay off for me! Sorry Cards :)

Too bad i'm already 1-5 and all but out of it!

126

Perm Dude
ID: 438132822
Sun, Oct 04, 2009, 11:57

bmd: Yeah, I saw that too. How sad is that?

They also give a zero for any player not getting offensive stats (like kick returners who don't otherwise play). Stefan Logan has gotten me 5, 3, and 4 points each week, but he's zeroed out for his scoring average and his game preview.

127

Perm Dude
ID: 438132822
Sun, Oct 04, 2009, 22:01

Are special teams tackles counted in the stats? Logan had one against Sproles (the two smallest guys in the NFL!) but I don't see a Logan tackle on the game page.

128

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Sun, Oct 04, 2009, 22:20

52.5 points for a DST! That's gotta be a record! And it's SF!

129

Slizz
ID: 288571512
Mon, Oct 05, 2009, 20:10

BMD & PD - with Josh Brown...anything is possible!

130

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Mon, Oct 05, 2009, 23:02

Oakland/Az will probably be decided by one point or less...

131

Toral
ID: 4155487
Tue, Oct 06, 2009, 07:06

Neat! Brees is on a bye, but so are both my opponents' QBs. Good scheduling.

132

Doug
ID: 467191415
Tue, Oct 06, 2009, 14:15

Well, if I had just filled one of my bye slots this week (DL easiest) I might have at least had a win, but there just wasn't anybody I wanted to drop off of my roster... and if I'd still come up short (say, 3 points from the DL) I would have really been pissed!

I figured best to just take my medicine early on byes this season... one more week of it this week (TE and K) before I get back to pretty much full strength the rest of the year (barring more injuries)... should be able to cover any gaps weeks 6-10. Will likely have a roster spot free up once the Carney/Hartley situation is resolved.

133

Great One
ID: 49852811
Tue, Oct 06, 2009, 14:17

My depth should really start to become an asset between injuries and bye weeks. But til now its been difficult start/bench decisions.

134

Baltimore Ravens
ID: 43735169
Tue, Oct 06, 2009, 23:18

I have an extra kicker if anyone is interested. Carpenter, Miami. He's awesome. A small upgrade to a draft choice next year, maybe. If you're allowed to do that.

135

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Oct 07, 2009, 00:21

How come I am at the bottom of waivers and I was 1-1 this week?

Does it not reset after each week? Does it reset after each FA pick up?

136

Slizz
ID: 288571512
Wed, Oct 07, 2009, 09:27

Judy - Waiver priority does not reset from week 2 week.

The order is determined by the worst record from the season before. once a claim is made, they are automatically placed at the bottom and so on. Since this is such a deep league, I feel that is the most fair way.

Unfortunately, I forgot to put in a claim for Massaquoi last night!!! NEWMAN!

137

Slizz
ID: 288571512
Wed, Oct 07, 2009, 09:32

Just FYI - its not letting me pick up Brian Robiskie, WR, CLE. I have tried 5x to pick him up and drop Mike Nugent.

Cards/Ref - Could you please have CBS add him to my roster?

138

Perm Dude
ID: 438132822
Wed, Oct 07, 2009, 09:45

It's the new "Intelligent Pickup System" Slizz. No Browns players can be picked up--there should be a popup saying "Error--the player in question currently plays for Cleveland. God help him."

139

Slizz
ID: 288571512
Wed, Oct 07, 2009, 10:02

Tried again 30 minutes later, finally worked! Sorry for the post!

PD - I'm hoping that he gets some burn opposite Massaquoi and has some value!

140

Slizz
ID: 288571512
Wed, Oct 07, 2009, 10:16

B7 - how much for Carpenter?

I dk how much more negative/0 pt weeks I can take from Josh Brown!!!

141

Building 7
ID: 471052128
Wed, Oct 07, 2009, 11:59

Like a 6th for a 8th next year. What's your record?

142

Slizz
ID: 288571512
Wed, Oct 07, 2009, 12:24

1-7. Dead last in G24

143

Slizz
ID: 288571512
Wed, Oct 07, 2009, 12:24

Kinda sad considering I have 3 starting RBs, Andre Johnson, and Marques Colston.

144

Building 7
ID: 471052128
Wed, Oct 07, 2009, 12:45

You just need a good kicker. What about my 6th for your 5th next year. Or you can email me.

145

Building 7
ID: 43735169
Wed, Oct 07, 2009, 19:28

The trade offer in #144 has expired.

146

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Oct 07, 2009, 22:09

AZ CARDS agrees to:

B7 (Ravens) gets AZ Round 5 in 2010
Judy (AZ) gets Carpenter and Ravens Round 6 in 2010.

147

Building 7
ID: 43735169
Wed, Oct 07, 2009, 23:09

Confirmed.

148

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Oct 07, 2009, 23:10

REF/CARDS/B7
RE: #146

Do I need to drop a guy for it to go through? Let me know how this works as it is an add for
me, not a "trade".

Thanks.

149

StLCards
ID: 30759250
Thu, Oct 08, 2009, 00:57

Trade approved, Arizona must drop a player as soon as possible.

150

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Thu, Oct 08, 2009, 11:52

done -- thanks

151

deepsnapper
ID: 168481416
Fri, Oct 09, 2009, 14:13

[131] Toral - you possibly spoke too soon, Culpepper may get the start for Detroit this weekend. At least Pitt has shown to be somewhat vulnerable against the pass w/o Polomalu back there.

152

Toral
ID: 4155487
Sat, Oct 10, 2009, 06:01

Oh I saw that. But I'll take Culpepper ober Rodgers though. Course he could start playing like he did 15 years ago or whenever.

153

youngroman
Donor
ID: 02934823
Sat, Oct 10, 2009, 08:41

damn, I just dropped the wrong guy. I meant to drop Lance Moore and not Josh Morgan. I selected the right one, but somehow managed to hit the up-cursor before clicking ok.

can this be fixed?
if not, I have just bad luck.

Thanks!

154

skinneej
ID: 109181021
Sat, Oct 10, 2009, 22:18

Trade:

NY Giants get 2010 4th rounder
Packers get Bengals D/ST

player already dropped to make room

155

judy
ID: 5321213
Sun, Oct 11, 2009, 14:50

OK so Maclin has been introduced --now it's time to get back to the regulars -- Westie
(RIFC) and D Jack (G24) and Avant too (ps. he was not touched on his one catch...)

156

Great One
ID: 1790513
Sun, Oct 11, 2009, 16:40

I guess Miles Austin trumps your Maclin on my bench. But I'm still glad all the trade offers I put him in were rejected.

157

Twarpy
ID: 6635523
Sun, Oct 11, 2009, 23:34

Well skinneej, looks like that Cinci D may have gotten you a win as long as Gibril Wilson can get you 2 pts tomorrow.

158

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Mon, Oct 12, 2009, 10:52

I hope so. Wilson only got two tackles last week, so hopefully he at least equals that. Of course, last Monday I had 3 guys going and only needed like 12 points for the win, but they managed a whopping 5 between them.

159

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Mon, Oct 12, 2009, 23:55

Looks like that NYG DST non FF, non FR, non FRRetTD plus the OAk points cost me one ball
game. Est. was about 20 points worth! SHeesh -- the FBrefs are as bad as the baseball ones!

160

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Mon, Oct 12, 2009, 23:59

Thank you, Ronnie Brown.

161

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 12:25

Looks like Keller is no longer part of the NYJ offense. Did they even
try and throw it to him?

162

Perm Dude
ID: 438132822
Tue, Oct 13, 2009, 16:20

Looks like he's the odd man out with Braylon "Drops" Edwards on board--but that'll change, I think, as they get Edwards into the offense a little better.

They did target Keller once in the Miami game, but he's a guy who only gets 4-5 looks a game anyway.

163

Slizz
ID: 288571512
Wed, Oct 14, 2009, 10:51

I'm experiencing a problem with the add/drops again. Is anyone else having the same issue?

164

Slizz
ID: 288571512
Wed, Oct 14, 2009, 11:29

Of course, GO gets the guy I was trying to get!

165

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Oct 20, 2009, 00:39

What a really bad week for my G24 teams and the Iggles.

Good thing I am also a baseball Phan. GO Phillies!!

166

Doug
ID: 467191415
Tue, Oct 20, 2009, 11:25

Crystal ball was working this week... 19 out of 24 in Pick 'ems ain't too shabby!

167

Peter N.
ID: 57832917
Tue, Oct 20, 2009, 20:14

Hey ds, sorry buddy for the loss this week. Brady and Co. looked like Texas Tech on offense!

168

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Oct 21, 2009, 00:00

Geez Peter -- you must be liking that mcNabb for Brady trade...

169

beastiemiked
ID: 35621411
Wed, Oct 21, 2009, 00:21

Anybody want Dqwell Jackson? He's out for the season but a solid long term IDP keeper. Would be looking for a bye week kicker or Defense or both :)

170

Great One
ID: 1790513
Wed, Oct 21, 2009, 19:02

I've got two TE's on bye, 2 starting kickers to package and a bunch of trade offers out there with no responses...

171

Toral
ID: 4155487
Thu, Oct 22, 2009, 23:37

Wow, amazing trade, Cards. How in the world did you pull that off?

172

Frick
ID: 4945458
Fri, Oct 23, 2009, 09:43

I've had Ochocinco on the team since I took over. During that time other than this year, he's been far from an elite WR. I wasn't in a position to compete this year and WR don't tend to age well after their 30th birthday. Getting a potential starting RB for next year and another first rounder seemed like a win/win for both of us.

With that said, I'm looking to move a few more players this year in return for picks or younger players.

173

Great One
ID: 209121913
Fri, Oct 23, 2009, 09:52

Kind of the same logic as me and Slizz last year with Santonio for Mendenhall + a 2nd rounder. Look where he is now with Mendenhall.

174

Great One
ID: 209121913
Fri, Oct 23, 2009, 11:27

I've got Fitzpatrick if anyone needs a bye week QB.

175

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Fri, Oct 23, 2009, 12:51

When you are offering players, could you also list your team name in
the thread so I don't have to look it up? Thanks. Judy (AZ)

176

coldwater coyotes
SuperDude
ID: 229272412
Fri, Oct 23, 2009, 16:15

GO yes I need a QB this week...what do you want?

177

Great One
ID: 209121913
Fri, Oct 23, 2009, 16:20

Do you have a tight end?

178

Slizz
ID: 389401717
Fri, Oct 23, 2009, 16:40

Yea...b/c u got stover b/c CBS was screwing me on the add/drop (re: post 163 @ 10:51am)! lol.

Mendenhall was a definite gamble, but now i finally have an every down back. Its definitely worth it. Imagine if GO kept Mendenhall rather than McFadden...talk about an even scarier team!

The flip side is that you can also fire and miss: see Jerome Harrison and me! In the end, you at least have a 1st round pick and a potential starting RB to show for it for a guy on the wrong side of 30 who can help cards now and is the most entertaining football player in the entire NFL! no qualms with that!

179

coldwater coyotes
SuperDude
ID: 229272412
Sun, Oct 25, 2009, 09:57

Trade agreed with GO if completed for today's games:

Broncos receive QB Fitzpatrick and GO's 8th round pick for next
year.
Jets receive Broncos' 5th round pick.

Please drop Gradowski for Fitz.

180

Great One
ID: 20701510
Sun, Oct 25, 2009, 10:27

Confirmed and sent over on CBS

181

Slizz
ID: 389401717
Sun, Oct 25, 2009, 15:31

i give up! dropped alex smith and go figure, he's in now...i'm cursed when it comes to QB's in this league.

182

Great One
ID: 209121913
Mon, Oct 26, 2009, 13:00

The JETS are down to only 1 RB... looking for a rebuilding team with interest in Leon, McFadden, Cotchery, Miles Austin, Santonio... some kind of package for one starting RB.

183

Great One
ID: 209121913
Mon, Oct 26, 2009, 13:02

Also got my 1st and 3rd rounders for sale.

184

Great One
ID: 209121913
Mon, Oct 26, 2009, 15:09

Does CBS not offer an IR spot? I am assuming no since they don't even have DL in baseball... thought I'd check.

185

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Mon, Oct 26, 2009, 18:15

thanks slizz, I needed a bye week QB and your timing was perfect ;)

186

Slizz
ID: 389401717
Tue, Oct 27, 2009, 10:32

yea yea yea...

187

beastiemiked
ID: 35621411
Tue, Oct 27, 2009, 17:23

I'm looking to swap WASHINGTON DST for a team that has already had a bye week. Sam Aiken WR NE can be included or possibly a draft upgrade.

Any team that is rebuilding I'd be willing to spend slightly more on one of the higher tier defenses.

188

StLCards
ID: 30759250
Tue, Oct 27, 2009, 23:37

I'm picking up Alex Smith off waivers as my bye week QB, so I'll consider trading Freeman to someone looking for a young franchise QB that is likely to be starting this year. Alternatively I could trade Smith after my bye week.

189

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Wed, Oct 28, 2009, 10:27

Could use a bye week kicker.

190

coldwater coyotes
SuperDude
ID: 229272412
Wed, Oct 28, 2009, 11:30

Anybody want a bye week QB ? .....Collins and Fitzpatrick are
available.

191

Peter N.
ID: 57832917
Wed, Oct 28, 2009, 11:37

CC, sure - send me a note.

192

Great One
ID: 209121913
Wed, Oct 28, 2009, 11:48

I've got an extra kicker for sale.

193

Great One
ID: 209121913
Wed, Oct 28, 2009, 14:20

Kicker is gone. Sure glad some teams aren't checking trades, I apparently had some trades pending out there with Austin that I would no longer have wanted to do lol...

194

youngroman
Donor
ID: 02934823
Wed, Oct 28, 2009, 15:30

the Raiders Defense can be had for a kicker not on bye in week 9.

195

beastiemiked
ID: 35621411
Wed, Oct 28, 2009, 20:49

Looking to move Sam Aiken for a IDP that plays this week and is better than someone I can get of the wire.

196

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Oct 29, 2009, 13:41

Updated Franhise Standings

I've been swamped lately but the updated standings are up. Will get records updated soon as well. Easier to do this every week. Let me know if there are any errors as I was interrupted several times while working on them. The data is porbably right but I may have neglected to fix a cell calculation somewhere. It looks ok at first glance.

Trade-wise, I still have Nedney available if anyone is interested in a nice K I have been using based on matchups.

197

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Thu, Oct 29, 2009, 13:58

What does the Wks column stand for in the standings? Most have a 0 with a few 1's and 2's.

198

Great One
ID: 209121913
Thu, Oct 29, 2009, 13:59

Highest score in the league for the week.

199

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Oct 31, 2009, 00:40

RE: 196

Record Book updated and added to that thread.

200

Slizz
ID: 389401717
Sat, Oct 31, 2009, 11:33

Josh Brown is now available for those needing a "K" to cover their bye either this week or in week 10!

email me if you're interested!

201

Peter N.
ID: 9104119
Sun, Nov 01, 2009, 10:41

If you lose to me this week, you don't deserve to be in the league. LOL

202

judy
ID: 5321213
Sun, Nov 01, 2009, 14:35

true Peter

But my Iggles are killing my Jints def for -1 and it is only the first half -- wish we were allowed to not
start a Def instead...

I'll take the Iggles win anytime...now if the Phillies can find some inspiration, life will be good.

203

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Nov 01, 2009, 14:48

I knew since the draft that I'd stink this week, but the injuries just piled on. I'm hoping I can get lucky and somehow get a split--but that's pushing it.

204

Great One
ID: 1790513
Sun, Nov 01, 2009, 20:19

You might have the luck to steal both wins, thats aggravating cause I thought I'd gain some games on you this week. Next week my whole team is on bye so I needed wins this week.

On a brighter note, this might be a pretty good week to have #1 waiver priority in my pocket.

205

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Nov 01, 2009, 21:27

It's all smoke and mirrors. My team is not that good at all. Unreal how it won this week with that lineup and playing the team with the best record in the league.

206

StLCards
ID: 30759250
Sun, Nov 01, 2009, 21:34

I was just hoping to get one win this week considering all my top players were on bye weeks, but just wasn't meant to be.

207

Doug
ID: 467191415
Mon, Nov 02, 2009, 07:33

I hate how players become locked at kickoff even if they're on the inactive list. It's nothing new, just aggravating. I have to decide on Sunday AM "Do I have a life and go enjoy brunch with my friends, or sit around the house nursing my fantasy lineups?" I choose the former, but it's still a pet peeve.

Depending how Turner and Carney do tonight, Manningham on inactive list (despite assurances he would play) could wind up costing me 0, 1, or 2 games.

[/vent]

208

Slizz
ID: 389401717
Mon, Nov 02, 2009, 11:12

vent noted.

BlackBerry/iPhone/Smartphone helps Doug...

209

Great One
ID: 17103028
Mon, Nov 02, 2009, 11:17

Thats up there with why do they freeze players in rainouts in baseball? that drives me nuts.

210

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Mon, Nov 02, 2009, 14:08

Alex Smith or Josh Freeman are available for trade if someone is looking for a young QB. Always looking to upgrade.

211

Doug
ID: 467191415
Mon, Nov 02, 2009, 17:24

I do have a blackberry... but trying to navigate most web pages (let along fantasy football pages) on it is nightmarish and headache-inducing.

212

Doug
ID: 467191415
Mon, Nov 02, 2009, 17:26

Not to mention I don't really want to spend my day (or even my brunch) checking for updates on my blackberry... I kinda want to tune out for a couple hours and enjoy the company. Like I said, it's nothing new... just seems like something that they could easily fix/handle since inactive is an official designation, but I don't know of any sites that bother to do so.

213

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Mon, Nov 02, 2009, 23:01

geez Peter -- I just might lose if Henderson does not wake up -- my IDP's have let me down
big time this week...

214

Slizz
ID: 389401717
Tue, Nov 03, 2009, 00:23

doug - get ubertwitter for the blackberry. follow adam schefter and chris mortensen. they usually announce any significant inactive players. than just do your thing after that.

215

Great One
ID: 101045312
Tue, Nov 03, 2009, 14:55

I just want to post my claim here in case CBS goes haywire, cause I've been having some trouble too -- with my #1 priority I have submitted add Ryan Moats, drop Julian Edelman.

216

blackjackis21
ID: 481057421
Wed, Nov 04, 2009, 22:57

Trade: bj21's Rams gives Rob Bironas and my 8th round pick to bmd's Texans for Kevin Williams and his 5th round pick.

217

Doug
ID: 0222117
Thu, Nov 05, 2009, 00:47

Wound up costing me 1 game... hopefully that's not the difference in making the playoffs! :)

218

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Nov 05, 2009, 16:53

Franchise standings updated in standings forum.

219

beastiemiked
ID: 35621411
Fri, Nov 06, 2009, 20:42

If anybody needs a bye week kicker for week 10 I have Lindell available. Want a playable TE this week or a draft pick swap.

220

Peter N.
ID: 401059910
Mon, Nov 09, 2009, 11:59

The Larry Johnson for Michael Crabtree trade doesn't look so bad for ds now does it??? ;-) Quit taking all the Red Raiders Mr. Jones! :-)

221

Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Mon, Nov 09, 2009, 12:23

While it seems likely the Browns will go 0-2 again this week, it is nice to still be in both games on Monday!

222

Great One
ID: 101045312
Mon, Nov 09, 2009, 12:30

Ref's Colts are a point behind in both matchups... he has Harrison vs. nobody in both. If he's smart he makes sure I don't catch that plane to Denver, cause I'm going to meet the Pittsburgh bus in the parking lot.

223

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Nov 09, 2009, 13:32

Smoke and mirrors baby!

PD I think you've pretty much got one game sewn up in the W column.

224

Slizz
ID: 341022514
Mon, Nov 09, 2009, 19:06

ack! every win takes me out of the lotto :)

225

StLCards
ID: 30759250
Mon, Nov 09, 2009, 21:02

While it seems likely the Browns will go 0-2 again this week, it is nice to still be in both games on Monday!

You must be looking at a different scoreboard than I am.

226

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Nov 09, 2009, 21:03

Not really. 16 teams make the lottery--all non-playoff teams. You may get more balls the lower you get--but it only takes one ball!

227

StLCards
ID: 30759250
Mon, Nov 09, 2009, 21:07

The sad thing for me this week is I over analyzed a trade that would have given me 2 wins.

228

beastiemiked
ID: 35621411
Tue, Nov 10, 2009, 13:19

Looking for a QB this week. Have an extra kicker if anybody needs one. More than willing to deal.

229

Slizz
ID: 341022514
Tue, Nov 10, 2009, 15:39

Like BMD - I have an extra kicker in either Josh Brown or Joe Nedney.

My asking price would be a 5th for Ref's 8th round pick. 1st offer with that is accepted.

230

Doug
ID: 0222117
Tue, Nov 10, 2009, 23:46

I'm always looking for a QB upgrade...

231

beastiemiked
ID: 35621411
Thu, Nov 12, 2009, 16:07

C'mon Russell, give me some positive points!

Please drop Ernest Wilford when the trade is apporved

232

youngroman
Donor
ID: 02934823
Thu, Nov 12, 2009, 16:20

the trade in detail:

bmd gets:
- JaMarcus Russell, "Stud QB", capable of scoring between -3.56 and +9.76
- Bengals 8th round pick in 2010 draft

YR gets:
- Texans 6th round pick in 2010 draft

my analysis:
I had to keep JaMarcus Russell this year because otherwise I would have had no starting QB this season. I drafted Vince Young to replace him at some point because Kerry Collins is one injury away from retirement. turned out that Collins just played awful and Vince finally is the #1. I knew from the beginning that with my current roster I won't win this year, so I felt no need to trade for a serviceable QB earlier. I just had to sit it out. with bmd in need of a bye week QB it is better to get a 2 round upgrade than nothing, because I doubt Russell will be a starter next year. he may even be out of the league.

233

deepsnapper
ID: 168481416
Fri, Nov 13, 2009, 10:07

[220] yeah that one looks okay, but the Big Ben+Benson for Westy is blowing beads. I should have stayed pat with my QBs and passed on that one, but I got greedy for a run at a repeat this year and now look at Benson. ugh I'm kinda like Westbrook - if I only had a brain...

It could have been worse, I'd thrown Jones in the offer before the Supplemental draft and Kirk'd declined it. lol what a dumbass (meaning me).

234

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Fri, Nov 13, 2009, 12:55

That one is certainly not looking good for you now Roy. I've been meaning to send you an email offering my condolences but have felt too bad. On one hand I'm hoping that Westbrook gets healthy and gets used the way he should be in Philly and thus giving you what we expected in the beginning, but on the other hand, I'm hoping he tanks so I can make the playoffs ;)

I honestly believed that Benson would be the guy from Chicago and hated giving up Westbrook as I figured in the end all I'd have was Big Ben but I figured I had no chance this year so an aging Westbrook wasn't likely to help me too much. Never figured on Big Ben becoming a passing machine and Benson the best thing since sliced bread :)

235

judy
ID: 597401015
Fri, Nov 13, 2009, 16:12

I fully expect Westie and Shady to split carries from here on out -- with
Shady getting more early on as Westie is eased back in...I have both in RIFC
and plan (as of now) to start Shady this weekend. Shady is definitely the
future in Philly. Now if we could only get a more consistent QB to grow up
with these kids... Kolb anyone?

236

beastiemiked
ID: 1410301511
Sun, Nov 15, 2009, 12:30

Man, it's great having a lot of options but I'm
going to be 2nd guessing myself this week.

Pick 2 between these 4:

Cribbs
Amendola
Breaston
Boldin

I wish there was a way you could just average the
scores of the guys you can't decide between.

237

StLCards
ID: 30759250
Sun, Nov 15, 2009, 13:23

I'd be amazed if Amendola turns out to do anything, although it looks like Keenan Burton is already out of the game.

238

beastiemiked
ID: 35621411
Sun, Nov 15, 2009, 13:36

Well I started him. They are playing NO so I figured he would get at least 6 Kick returns. Add that to punt returns and his 5 targets he's been seeing and it seemed like he was destined for at least 5+ points. .5 points through 1 quarter is not looking that great. Ugh.

239

beastiemiked
ID: 35621411
Sun, Nov 15, 2009, 18:47

So Russell gets benched. At least he got me 2+ points. From what I saw he did alright. Had a BUNCH of drop passes and had a huge completion called back.

240

judy
ID: 5321213
Sun, Nov 15, 2009, 19:37

Westie out with a concussion. They ought IR him for his own good, seeing how
severe his first concussion was.

241

judy
ID: 48642817
Mon, Nov 16, 2009, 23:11

Cheap shot by Quinn on Suggs. Good thing Suggs already
had the 2 points I needed.

242

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Nov 17, 2009, 10:46

Who qualifies for the playoffs and what is the format? (Just in case...)

243

Toral
ID: 4155487
Tue, Nov 17, 2009, 11:28

There will be 8 teams that make the playoffs. Each division winner (4) will make the playoffs. The next 2 teams with the best records AFC (east/west divisions) & the next 2 teams with the best records NFC (north/south divisions) will also make the playoffs. It is possible for both wildcards to come from the same division (IE west). If there is a tie at any level, the first tie breaker will be total points accumulated during the year. The second tie breaker will be most total TDs scored during the year. The third tie breaker will be the single highest week point total.
Playoff teams will be announced at the end of week #13, which is the end of the regular season. Playoff teams will be seeded accordingly:

#1 seed = division winner with best record
#2 seed = other division winner
#3 seed = wildcard team with best record
#4 seed = other wildcard team

Seeds #1/#4 and Seeds #2/#3 will play in week #14, with the winners advancing to meet for their respective conference championship in week #15. Each conference winner will advance to the SuperBowl to be held in week #16.

244

Great One
ID: 101045312
Tue, Nov 17, 2009, 11:34

Anyone who is missing the playoffs and planning for next year, I'm still looking to deal some quality keeper chips for an updgrade including... Leon Washington, Darren McFadden, my 1st Round Draft Pick -- and one of these 3 WR's -- Santonio, M.Austin, Harvin or Cotchery.

245

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Nov 17, 2009, 17:52

HOW do I keep ending up at/near the bottom of the waiver order? I can't believe I had the last pick last
week? or did I? I am confused -- this does not seem to be like RIFC in order determination.

246

Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Tue, Nov 17, 2009, 18:36

It isn't re-set each week, if that's how they do it in RIFC.

247

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Nov 17, 2009, 19:22

so any move that I make shoves me to the bottom? Even a FA move?

248

Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Tue, Nov 17, 2009, 19:43

I don't think a non waiver move would move you to the end of the waiver wire list. I'll do some checking on CBS.

249

Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Tue, Nov 17, 2009, 20:34

From the Rules:

Add/drops are handled by a waivers process.

I used to know this, but it was something I forgot.

251

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Nov 17, 2009, 23:13

OK -- now I see why. I grabbed Elvis off of waivers (he was locked) via a FA claim.
It does not reset for non waiver FA add/drops.

252

beastiemiked
ID: 35621411
Wed, Nov 18, 2009, 11:39

I'm looking to improve my DST. Willing to swap the Redskins. If anyone out of contention is looking to deal and isn't going to ask for the moon for their DST the shoot me an email and/or offer.

253

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Nov 18, 2009, 12:29

Free Agents are players you can grab immediately w/o any impact on the waiver order since you're not using waivers. If a player is unable to be picked up immediately, then you'll have to use a waiver claim. If granted, you wll be moved to the bottom of the WW order w/o a reset.

254

Slizz
ID: 341022514
Fri, Nov 20, 2009, 00:07

Marques Colston is officially on the block. I would be looking at a 2 for 1. I.E. I take on two risky players with star potential for my proven commodity in Colston.

email me if interested.

255

Slizz
ID: 341022514
Fri, Nov 20, 2009, 10:23

re: 254 - I would like to use the player structure involved in the Andre Johnson for Darren McFadden & Percy Harvin deal.

Also, if you have Kicking woes and need an extra kicker. Look no further than Josh Brown and Joe Nedney, get at me as I just wanna liquidate!

256

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Nov 20, 2009, 12:15

Damn you GO!

257

StLCards
ID: 30759250
Sun, Nov 22, 2009, 19:51

Maybe I got rid of Big Ben just in time depending on his injury. Cutler is bound to get 5 TDs now.

258

StLCards
ID: 30759250
Sun, Nov 22, 2009, 21:02

20yds and no picks for Cutler through 1 qtr. Maybe only 4 TDs?

259

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Sun, Nov 22, 2009, 22:01

CHI/PHL B-O-R-I-N-G...

260

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Nov 23, 2009, 23:48

If Live Scoring holds up, we will ahve our first tie ever in G24. Both doug's raiders and toral's saints have 104.38.

Talk about close, I did a poor job of managing leaving soem big points on my bench trying new (aka stupid) stuff but still managed to squeek out two wins--barely!.

261

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Tue, Nov 24, 2009, 09:06

There's one for the record books! Never thought I'd see a tie.

262

Toral
ID: 4155487
Tue, Nov 24, 2009, 10:13

I'm sure I had another one-one-hundredth of a point sitting around here somewhere, let's see, where did I put it....

263

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Nov 24, 2009, 13:12

I adjusted the week for neg yds and the tie held. Then I looked at both teams for rounding--since we have bonus points for super high rush/rec/pass yds that go to the thousandths but neither team had those. Incredibly enough the tie held. 104.38 each. It's funny when rfs and I created this league there is a place where we can break ties and we thought that with all the idiosynchracies that we built in--that if we ever had a tie--it should stand. Never thought we'd have one though. I doubt if we've ever had the exact same score in the same week--let alone playing against each other. Both are good teams. Wondering in the end if the tie will help or hurt these teams in the end. If one or both still get in--then it helped (as compared to a loss) but if they don't--then it hurt as a tie is as good as a loss.

264

Doug
ID: 351027518
Tue, Nov 24, 2009, 13:25

Had I only known about Durant being out, but alas. Another instance of me going to brunch with friends on a late Sunday morning and having a life outside fantasy football... left the house a good couple hours before game time and got back around about 5 mins. into the 1st Q. Sure, I could have spent my brunch checking updates and trying to navigate the lineup screens, but that would have kind of killed the vibe. C'est la vie.

265

Doug
ID: 351027518
Tue, Nov 24, 2009, 13:25

(Had him active in 3 different leagues too!)

266

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Nov 24, 2009, 13:55

I am looking for a WR to help me now. Could also use a RB--but WR is my main focus for now.

267

Peter N.
ID: 211002610
Thu, Nov 26, 2009, 11:00

Um, Joseph Addai for Danny Ware and 4th???? This can't be real. Am I missing something?

268

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Thu, Nov 26, 2009, 11:03

Selling high, Pete. Addai is probably out next year with Brown back.

269

Toral
ID: 4155487
Thu, Nov 26, 2009, 11:12

Man, put a guy up for auction when you feel like getting rid of him. You would have got at least a 2nd and maybe a 1st plus a low-value keeper prospect type.

270

Toral
ID: 4155487
Thu, Nov 26, 2009, 11:19

Actually I offered a 2nd-rounder to you back on Oct. 14.

271

Peter N.
ID: 211002610
Thu, Nov 26, 2009, 12:38

With that gift, Ref might confuse today with Christmas and not Thanksgiving. ;-) Didn't you give up a 1st for Addai in the preseason? Oh well, Happy Thanksgiving to all! :-)

272

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Fri, Nov 27, 2009, 13:28

To whomever I paid my 09 G24 dues, the check has not cleared yet (from September)!
Did you not get it? Please reply via email.

Thanks.

273

beastiemiked
ID: 31152921
Fri, Nov 27, 2009, 16:19

pd, seems like a great guy but I'm kind of sick of him giving
his players away. I know I'm not the only one that feels this
way.

Didn't pd give up his top 5 overall pick this year for addai?
Addai has exceeded expectations this year and now he's
suddenly not worth more than a 4th rounder.

I'd love to go through all of pd's trades in all 3 leagues to see
which ones he came out on top. I'd venture to guess less
than 10%.

274

StLCards
ID: 30759250
Sat, Nov 28, 2009, 11:17

RE: 272 I put the checks that I've received in the bank this past week.

If anyone hasn't paid yet, please do so now.

275

slizz-blackberry
ID: 4710422812
Sat, Nov 28, 2009, 13:42

DMDS. Totally agree bmd. I'm not gonna get bent out of shape over it. PD couldve squeezed a 3 but still to sell that low on addai confuses me. For a UFA who won't even play next year with a healthy Jacobs/Bradshaw is just silly.
Jacobs signed a 4 year extension with 2 years guaranteed and no way the Jints let Bradshaw go. Where does that leave Ware? BENCHED!

And to his logic that Addai will be benched behind Brown. Maybe so, but hell receive at least quadruple the workload than what Ware will receive. Don't believe me. See how Jerome Harrison is doing now...

276

StLCards
ID: 30759250
Sat, Nov 28, 2009, 14:04

In the off chance that anyone else out there is looking to move a top 10 starting RB, or even any starting RB for that matter, please be advised that I am interested.

277

Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Sat, Nov 28, 2009, 22:12

Ware is available for a high draft pick, Cards..

:)

I've had a bit of emailing with some managers about the trade, and putting aside the merits of the actual trade itself, one thing that seems to be of some trouble is that way that the trade was put through. Frankly, I don't know that the league had enough time to evaluate the trade before it was put through.

Again, I've had some back and forth about this trade by email with several managers and that's all fine--but part of the correspondence before the trade was put through was that it didn't matter to me that it went through right away, particularly since there was some blowback for the original offer.

I do think that Ref erred in pushing through the trade before managers had a chance to formally protest the trade (or not protest, as it may be), particularly since there was some questions about the trade previously.

I don't know what can be done at this point (I don't have a problem if the trade was reversed based upon a league vote, for instance), but the process should be transparent for all trades, and in particular controversial ones.

278

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Sat, Nov 28, 2009, 22:33

I thought that per the league rules:

If the commissioner is involved in a trade, it shall be
reviewed and approved / denied by the other commissioner if
possible.

Also with Ware having a Thursday game and the trade deadline
pending, the only way to get this done was to push it through
quickly-maybe too quickly.

Also from the rules:

Also note that you should give the commishs ample time to
review and approve your trade before the freeze. Simply because
you agreed to a trade before the deadline does NOT guarantee
that it can be approved before the freeze.

How long is "ample time"?

279

StLCards
ID: 30759250
Sat, Nov 28, 2009, 22:42

The issue was that the Giants played on Thursday so the deal had to be approved prior to that. You were the one that either submitted the trade or accepted the trade so if you thought you should wait then you should have waited.

No thanks on Ware. I don't call a guy with 2 fantasy points a top 10 RB. I was thinking more along the lines of Addai's 138pts.

Also very surprised you would drop Bulger as he's still your best bet for a starting QB next year. Personally I see no hope for your team the way it looks now which is surprising considering how many top draft picks you have had.

280

StLCards
ID: 30759250
Sat, Nov 28, 2009, 22:59

FWIW I did see the trade before it went through. I asked for explanations from both. Ref's side is obvious. He wanted another player to help this year for his playoff push. PD is out of it and thinks Addai will be a backup to Brown next year and even regretted his original trade to get him. He had been wanting Ware for awhile and made the offer to get him. The original trade offer was denied by me and the one approved was after a renegotiation between both parties.

Certainly there was no collusion. PD really likes Ware and gets a draft pick back. I wouldn't have done the trade and don't like it, but it wasn't so lopsided that I felt a need to deny the renegotiated offer. Clearly Addai is on the decline and his value has come mainly from his TDs. Hard to say what value he has next year. I feel like he has a lot, but that is open to individual assessment and I can't dictate trades.

281

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Nov 28, 2009, 23:53

I accepted the trade Wednesday afternoon. The ample time clause is for those trades that go through so close to the freeze that we don't see it in time to approve it or have enough time to evaulate it for approval. So if you accept a trade at 12:50 and a commish doesn't see it until after the freeze, it doesn't get retro-approved simply because it was agreed to in time.

Cards said Wednesday evening that he was not going to be able to be around before the game time so you will have to approve it yourself. So I IMed Slizz and Doug. Slizz didn't respond right away but Doug did.

His response was that if you figure that Addai is worth as high as a 2nd rounder...what is a 2nd worth--maybe a 3rd and a 4th? Then where would Ware go next year if he isn't kept--maybe in the 3rd? Therefore a 4th and Ware was in the ballpark. He felt that if PD wanted to get rid of him he should have broadcasted it and let everyone have a chance.

My thought is that i've seen a lot of trades that I thought was skewed to one side but not vetoable. Ware's concussion in the game didn't help him as he should have put up much better numbers, but I digress. Then talking to Slizz, his comments were similar to Doug's in that he felt I got the better end of the deal--but not so one-sided to be vetoable.

So what would be an exactly fair deal? A 3rd and Ware? a 2nd? PD feels that he way over-paid for Addai in his previous deal. Maybe he overvalues Ware. Maybe others overvalue Addai? But simply because someone else would have paid more for a player or a competitor was able to land him doesn't make a deal vetoable. I sure didn't like GO getting perhaps the best WR in the game and a great fantasy scoring QB--but it wasn't vetoable and I quickly approved it.

So anyhow, the deal was approved Wednesday night/after midnight on Thursday morning. It's the same procedure that has been done on all other trades. The only trade EVER vetoed in our league was when we denied the Travis Minor for Eli Manning straight-up deal when Minor was the 3rd string RB for Miami.

This deal absolutely helps me. I was actually surprised at the offer, but everything was as transparent as it always has been. There is also a procedure to override a commissioner's ruling if anyone thought the trade should have been vetoed and we could have had a league vote and if 2/3rds felt it should be vetoed--it would have been reversed.

Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving. Always great to be with family.

282

Toral
ID: 4155487
Sun, Nov 29, 2009, 01:46

"The only trade EVER vetoed in our league was when we denied the Travis Minor for Eli Manning straight-up deal when Minor was the 3rd string RB for Miami."
Those weren't the terms. Some WR from Denver was the main item in the trade, and Josh Reed was also involved. I'm still kicking myself over that one. I should have insisted on adding someone to the deal to make it look remotely reasonable and confuse the situation somewhat.
I have to give ref credit tho. Somehow he's always on the spot when someone wants to give an Addai or Schaub away. I was actually thinking of making an offer for Addai, but, as I said, I had offered a 2nd rounder already. It was an error on my part not to check again to see if there was interest.

I guess, depending on the standings, ref's 4th might be a higher pick than my 2nd.

283

StLCards
ID: 30759250
Sun, Nov 29, 2009, 02:12

Toral, I hear ya. Schaub was somebody I definitely wanted and would have paid a lot more for and I thought about asking about Addai but just assumed he wasn't up for trade and if he was that I wouldn't have what it takes since I had already traded away my 1st rounder.

Should be a lesson to those trading that a simple post of a player they want to move could get them a lot more.

284

Toral
ID: 4155487
Sun, Nov 29, 2009, 02:13

Ashley Lelie was the WR. A decent prospect at the time.

285

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Nov 29, 2009, 12:23

I must have CRS disease then. I apologize if I misstated the vetoed deal.

286

Doug
ID: 3630123
Sun, Nov 29, 2009, 17:00

All I can say is... the "On the Block" feature is there... use it. There's no question you could have done better for Addai PD, but you only emailed a few specific managers rather than making it known league-wide you were looking to move him.

I don't mean to pick on this one deal or PD specifically, but it's an ongoing frustration, so this is really addressed to everyone. Anytime anyone is looking to move a high-profile player, please please please, for the health of the league, I strongly encourage the use of the trading block. It's there for an effing reason.

> Toral: It was an error on my part not to check again to see if there was interest.

I assume that's sarcasm, and rightfully so.

287

Great One
ID: 510371919
Sun, Nov 29, 2009, 17:51

Wow, I've missed a lot. I am just surprised PD traded Addai cause he was going pretty well this season and I think he could have probably gotten a bit more if he was trying to sell high. A good idea in that situation if he was trying to sell high is to trade for an injured guy i.e. Leon Washington on my own bench. But there are countless other guys like that out there. You sell high and buy low obviously.

I've had my own 1st Round pick (and Leon, Miles Austin and a few others) for sale for weeks and weeks and am just looking for a TE, and can't get anything done. I am often underwhelmed by the activity in this league by several of the managers. At least PD takes a shot.

288

Great One
ID: 510371919
Sun, Nov 29, 2009, 18:06

Have we ever considered 12 teams in the playoffs instead of only 8? Sure would be nice for there to be a reward to the top teams - such as earning a bye week.

289

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Nov 29, 2009, 19:40

We have considered it but we'd have to add week 17 for the championship game and that's a throwaway week.

290

StLCards
ID: 30759250
Sun, Nov 29, 2009, 19:41

I've got Cutler, Freeman, Smith on the market. Cutler is not being discounted due to a few bad games though. Looking for a RB and could package another player as well for the right player.

291

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Nov 29, 2009, 19:44

Anyone see what happened in the St Louis/Seattle game? I was watching live scoring at the end, and it had Boller with a 17 yard TD run. Then it was gone (though still in the game play by play), and then it showed a Jackson 1 yard TD run.

292

StLCards
ID: 30759250
Sun, Nov 29, 2009, 19:48

Sorry it was blacked out here PD, but I'm sure I saw Boller scramble for a TD on one of the half time shows.

293

StLCards
ID: 30759250
Sun, Nov 29, 2009, 19:51

1-10-SEA 17 (1:34) (Shotgun) 12-K.Boller scrambles right end for 17 yards, TOUCHDOWN. The Replay Assistant challenged the runner broke the plane ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) 12-K.Boller scrambles right end to SEA 1 for 16 yards (93-C.Terrill).

294

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Nov 29, 2009, 19:54

Damn. Gave me some nice points there. Temporarily!

295

Frick
ID: 9103036
Mon, Nov 30, 2009, 08:55

I think some managers are afraid of either being ridiculed for a trade or getting burned over the long-term.

I took some grief for trading Maroney for Barber and a pick upgrade. This year Maroney and Barber have pretty much the same stats, and the 2nd round pick turned in to Chad Henne. Last year most people thought I made a terrible trade, this year I doubt most would feel the same way. I traded Barber at what I thought was his high point since I was afraid his running style would lead to a short career or effectiveness. I'm still not sure about Maroney, but he's been looking a little better last year.

I traded for a pick upgrades twice already this year and suddenly I'm just going to miss the play-offs. Would either of the players I traded put me over the top? Maybe, but I doubt it. I probably should have made some more moves, but I was trying to figure out my teams future. I was in the hunt this year, or would next year be the time for a play-off push?

But, I agree that the majority of us (myself included) need to be more active about announcing needs and players that are available.

296

Great One
ID: 331035308
Mon, Nov 30, 2009, 09:36

Frick - I can see where the fear is here, cause in such a deep league rosters are thin - so one wrong move can really hurt a squad.

But it's been my experience that the teams that don't make any trades, don't win the majority of the time because they never really improve their team and address their needs. They always finish comfortably in the middle.

297

beastiemiked
ID: 3210203011
Mon, Nov 30, 2009, 12:31

[i]So what would be an exactly fair deal? A 3rd and Ware? a 2nd? PD feels that he way over-paid for Addai in his previous deal. Maybe he overvalues Ware. Maybe others overvalue Addai? But simply because someone else would have paid more for a player or a competitor was able to land him doesn't make a deal vetoable. I sure didn't like GO getting perhaps the best WR in the game and a great fantasy scoring QB--but it wasn't vetoable and I quickly approved it.[/i]

Ware is waiver wire fodder even in this league. Even if he ran for 100+ yards on Thursday he'd be buried on the depth chart once Bradshaw comes back in 1-2 weeks. The guy has been INACTIVE for most of the year. Not because he was injured but because he's just not good. Name the last RB that got less than 10 touches in their 1st 3 years that turned out to be more than a 1 game wonder.

298

Peter N.
ID: 2810433011
Mon, Nov 30, 2009, 12:45

Yeah, trying to rationalize this trade in PD's favor is absolutely absurd. I had to do a double-take when I saw the e-mail Thanksgiving morning. I don't understand why anyone would trade their top performing player for a 4th round pick. Add to the fact that a top 5 1st round pick was given up for this player, and I'm clueless as to why the trade was made. The timing is questionable as well, but it's a done deal now.

299

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Mon, Nov 30, 2009, 13:57

Public Service Announcement

This is the last week for trading before the trade deadline. From the rules:

The deadline for trades will be Saturday night of week 13 (Players whose teams go on Thursday have up until that freeze).

300

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Mon, Nov 30, 2009, 13:59

Thursday's game this week is Jets vs Buffalo

301

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Nov 30, 2009, 13:59

RE: 297 Incorrect. He just returned form a dislocated elbow suffered in the opener. The staff loves him and wanted to give him more and more time even before Bradshaw went down. If he didn't have keeper potential, I wouldn't have had him on my roster. He's a Restricted FA after this season and still just 24. He may not work out. But I was keeping him on my roster to find out. Also Jacobs is not getting the job done in NY. But he has a 2 year deal so who knows what's up. Things change so rapidly. Not rationalizing anything, just stating some reasons why he was roster-worthy for my team before the offer came in.

Btw, just so everyone knows, I am really looking for a consistent WR moreso than a RB. If anyone thinks they have one and wants Addai--let me know.

302

Toral
ID: 4155487
Mon, Nov 30, 2009, 15:23

I have Braylon Edwards. He's very consistent.

303

Slizz
ID: 341022514
Mon, Nov 30, 2009, 16:09

re: 301 - Jacobs signed a 4 year extension before this season started. The 1st two years are all but guaranteed, so cutting him after this year makes absolutely ZERO sense for the NYG unless they just want to free up a roster space. No way they cut Bradshaw, so who knows.

I mean the Giants did have a solid 3-man rushing attack with Jacobs/Ward/Bradshaw a couple seasons ago. Even than, Ward & Bradshaw were waiver wire material. If I recall correctly (without actually looking at the G24 draft), Twarpy drafted both Ward & Bradshaw 2 seasons ago.

Time will tell if this pays off. Under Coughlin, the Giants have found some decent NFL-Caliber RB's in Jacobs, Grant, Ward, Bradshaw, and possibly Ware...

304

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Mon, Nov 30, 2009, 22:00

I sit Henderson in favor of Colston and he goes off -- 18+ so far! sheesh I need points esp since I left
Revis' on the bench as well!
I need for Colston to outscore Brady... to beat HOLT.

305

Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Mon, Nov 30, 2009, 22:12

Since I have Sharper going tonight and my opponent has the Pats D, I'm right there with you, Judy!

306

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Mon, Nov 30, 2009, 23:28

YES!!! Brady is done for the night - with that last INT!

Whoops - wrong league - post is for RIFC AAA...did sit Henderson in G24 for Avant...but already have
those in hand...

Was your post before or after the Sharper INT?

307

Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Mon, Nov 30, 2009, 23:34

Before. I was just coming to computer to post BOOYAH!

Colston got a sweet TD catch, and Sharper got his INT within about 5 real minutes. Pretty sweet!

308

Building 7
ID: 43735169
Tue, Dec 01, 2009, 08:24

The Baltimore Ravens will offer Charles Woodson for a draft pick upgrade. If you go to All Flex DL/LB/DB, He is #2 overall. A hall-of-famer having a career year. Coming off a 32 point effort last week. Keeper material. He can put your playoff team over the top.

309

Frick
ID: 9103036
Tue, Dec 01, 2009, 09:49

I could theoretically make the play-offs, but it would require a tie, which has only happened once in league history. If anyone needs wants to boost their play-off chances I have a number players who could be had, Chris Chambers, Steve Smith, Lawrence Maroney, etc.

P.S. I hate Chris Chambers and/or San Diego. I could have won a couple of games that would have put me into the play-offs if he hadn't sucked so much in San Diego and then exploded in KC.

310

Peter N.
ID: 13111319
Tue, Dec 01, 2009, 10:13

Frick, noooooooo...I need you to beat Judy this week! ;-)

311

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Tue, Dec 01, 2009, 10:55

I've posted a few trade ideas/inquiries on the league board for people so hopefully you see them and think they are interesting.

312

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Tue, Dec 01, 2009, 11:00

I'm looking for a QB this week in case Warner can't go again. Draft picks can be included as well as packaging a player or two like R. Bush, C. Williams, or even Fitzgerald if the package includes both a keeper quality QB and WR.

313

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Dec 01, 2009, 12:20

You might get lucky Peter -- I suspect that D Jack will be out and who knows which Henderson will
show up!

314

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Dec 01, 2009, 12:54

The AFC playoff teams have been identified but their seeding is up in the air. Lots of scenarios in the NFC yet. Pick-ems seems to be a three-team race. Looks like Doug has a slim lead when you throw out the low week. Remember this goes through week 16 but week 13 is the last week that can be thrown out.

315

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Wed, Dec 02, 2009, 13:29

Still considering offers for a package for Fitzgerald. A keeper QB and WR is what I am looking for, and can package another player or two for a quality RB in addition. Send me an e-mail or an offer to discuss.

316

Frick
ID: 9103036
Wed, Dec 02, 2009, 16:27

Offer sent SkinneJ

317

beastiemiked
ID: 35621411
Wed, Dec 02, 2009, 16:57

Wanting to upgrade Washington. Anyone out of it, send me an offer.

318

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Dec 02, 2009, 20:38

OK then -- I am having a problem with all these end of season trade offers from "out of it teams" to
"contenders". It does not seem fair to me that managers are suddenly upgrading their teams so that they can
make the playoffs. I see several posts that suggest that. As one of the teams in contention for an NFC spot, I
am going to be ticked off if I lose a spot because someone grabbed good players from a non contender -- I
don't care who you gave up or what draft picks you traded. No matter who is traded, the clear goal is to
upgrade the contending team on the last weekend for the purpose of making the playoffs.

This is NOT a level playing field here.

When is the trade deadline? It seems to me that to be fair, it needs to be earlier so that these last minute
roster changes cannot occur. The players are spread thin enough, but to allow managers to devise trades which
are clearly meant to upgrade a contender does not seem right.

The NFL has a trading deadline for a reason and so should we.

Call me a sour grape, but I am posting this BEFORE this weekend's games just so you know how I feel about it.
I am going with the team that got me here with a trade or two early on and my FA pick ups, not by begging for
a last minute trade that might benefit me. Call me stupid, but I consider it playing fair.

319

Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Wed, Dec 02, 2009, 21:04

The deadline is 12/5, Judy.

320

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Dec 02, 2009, 21:14

It needs to be much earlier...

321

Perm Dude
ID: 154552311
Wed, Dec 02, 2009, 21:19

I wouldn't have a problem supporting an earlier deadline (though not a *lot* earlier, since many teams don't firm up playoff slots until late).

When we discuss rule changes, propose a date (maybe, no trades after week X).

322

StLCards
ID: 30759250
Wed, Dec 02, 2009, 23:06

RE: 318 You make it sound like there is collusion going on. "No matter who is traded, the clear goal is to
upgrade the contending team on the last weekend for the purpose of making the playoffs."

I don't think the goal of the non contender is to upgrade the contending team. This is a keeper league so people trading are trading away people they don't think will help their team next year for people or picks that will help them in their rebuilding process. Typically the non-contending team can get a better deal as people trying to make the playoffs are willing to pay more than they would otherwise. Nothing is stopping you from doing the same.

The reality of the NFL is that very very few trades occur during the season due to salary cap hits. We try to encourage trades. If we moved the trade deadline up a week, all that would do is make the trading occur a week earlier. We used to say that rosters were locked during the playoffs but people wanted to add and drop to cover injuries and a pretty good idea was brought forward and approved.

If you think there is a better way then please offer a suggestion. So far we know you think it needs to be earlier. What would you propose the 'proper' trade deadline to be? And please consider it from all sides, including those trying to improve their teams for next year. Personally my team wasn't 'out of it' until this week. If I try to trade some players now to help next year then I can assure you my intent is to improve my team but to make a trade you have to give value back as well. In a deep keeper league young players with little value this year hold lots of value for future years so you have to give to get.

And for the record, the trade deadline and most everything else is very well documented in the rules, so it's not like it's a surprise.

323

PeteN.on Treo
ID: 27118223
Thu, Dec 03, 2009, 00:10

Well said 'Cards. I don't see a problem with a non-contending team trading a player they won't keep for a pick upgrade. I've done it before and it has helped me in this league and the g20 baseball league. As long as it is reasonable, I don't see a problem with it.

324

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Thu, Dec 03, 2009, 00:40

Not, I am not suggesting collusion at all. I just think that it is too late to be making playoff determining
moves. In the real nfl, nba, mlb and nhl, the trade deadline is pretty early, and there are the issues of
salary cap and money values to consider as well as prospects. I was not caught off guard by the late
deadline, just the amount of proposed activity being posted as "I need" (for this week/playoffs).

My suggestion would be to end trades as of the week 11 games. I realize that some teams might not
know their playoff prospects at that point, but that is part of the risk/reward of making a move. Perhaps
I need to understand the keeper and youth vs now philosophy and in a year or two I might have a
different viewpoint. This being my first year in a keeper league with a team I inherited rather than
planned for, perhaps I am not looking long term enough as to what to expect on a yearly basis. I always
like to win now!!

Maybe also beyond my starters, I have no one anyone would want so I do not see possible trades for my
team to get better players that I might covet??

Just thinking out loud ... not really stirring the pot

325

Building 7
ID: 471052128
Thu, Dec 03, 2009, 09:12

judy, you can trade or swap draft choices for next year. Examples of players you could get to upgrade your team for the playoffs are:

Derek Mason, WR, Balt 9.4 per game
Charles Woodson, DB, GB 10.9
Kirk Morrison, LB, Oak, 8.0
Josh Wilson, DB, Sea, 9.1

You may not be in this position again next year or for a long time. Who knows.

326

Great One
ID: 54114918
Thu, Dec 03, 2009, 09:42

It really doesn't matter when the deadline is, if it was a week earlier we would all just be cramming in last minute trades then all the same.

Contending teams sell picks for players to load up for a playoff push -- and the lower teams load up on better picks. All that does is help balance things out cause next year the non-playoff squads have extra picks and the playoff teams have thin drafts. Its just like selling off the farm system to add a big pitcher in baseball or whatever. You add that CC or Randy Johnson or whatever and hope it pans out... you probably can't keep them anyway and mortgaged some of your future to take a shot.

327

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Thu, Dec 03, 2009, 12:02

I think I don't have a real feel for the value of draft picks relative to current players. Looking over
last year's draft, the young 'uns were gone early, but then people were picking up all kinds of
players -- probably for what they needed. I swapped a 2010 5 for a 6 to get a decent PK this
year. That seemed about where PK were being picked up. I've targeted 7 players as for sure
keeps for my 2010 team and 5 more candidates to pick the rest from.

Oh well. I'll eventually figure it out.

328

Toral
ID: 4155487
Thu, Dec 03, 2009, 12:19

I've been playing in the league for many years and never figured out how to rate the worth of either players or draft picks in this size league, as compared to smaller leagues where I feel comfortable doing so.

329

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Thu, Dec 03, 2009, 12:21

B7 -- I have good IDP's. They are what has kept me going this season, especially lately: W Smith, Dumervil,
Dansby, Revis, Suggs, C Griffin, Mikell, Tuck.

My defensive problem has been the absolute collapse of the Jints DST. They are flirting with negative
numbers each week. Sometimes I wish they were on a bye week all the time!

D Jack being out this week will definitely hurt, even if Avant shines as I expect him to.

So to join in the fray, who has a DST for sale? Send me an email! :)

330

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Dec 03, 2009, 12:52

Standings and Records have been updated in standings forum.

331

Great One
ID: 54114918
Thu, Dec 03, 2009, 14:28

anyone know what the "breakdown" section means on the CBS site? I'm leading it says... but I don't know why.

332

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Thu, Dec 03, 2009, 14:38

you're team is the most likely to have a breakdown I suppose ;)

333

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Thu, Dec 03, 2009, 14:44

Breakdown
For Head-to-Head leagues, this report will display each team's record against every other team in the league. Under the All column, it shows what your record would have been against each team if you had played that team every week for the entire season.

The Power ranking of a team is based on the team's standing in three categories:

1 )Win/Loss Record
2) Total Points
3) Breakdown

The Breakdown category calculates how your team would have done had it played all the other teams each week of the season.

Within these categories, "power" points are awarded Rotisserie-style. For example, if there are 12 teams in your league, the team with the best Win/Loss record would receive 12 points for that category, the team with the next best record would receive 11 points, and so on, with the team with the worst record receiving 1 point. The same ranking system is applied for Total Points and for Breakdown. The scores for each category are then totaled to create the overall Power ranking.

334

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Thu, Dec 03, 2009, 15:23

I can attest to being high in the power rankings and yet missing the playoffs. Currently 2nd (ended up 5th last year I think,) but scoring the most points or nearly the most may not be enough yet again. Unless I can win both games this week, I probably will miss them again.

335

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Thu, Dec 03, 2009, 16:19

Ok, deal forthcoming. I now have Redman on the block for a team that needs a QB this week. I also have 2 top 10 defenses, so could part with one in a draft pick deal or upgrade somewhere. Of course, I was told a few weeks ago that neither defense was worth a 4th or 5th round pick, so what is a good defense worth if it can win you games versus a d that gets low or negative pts each week??

336

Toral
ID: 4155487
Thu, Dec 03, 2009, 16:41

A smile and a kick in the ass?

337

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Thu, Dec 03, 2009, 16:54

Official Press Release: Fitzgerald finds a new home!

After spending his career in Green Bay, superstar wideout Larry Fitzgerald has been traded to San Francisco. The deal is not without adding some key players in addition as Kurt Warner and Jay Cutler are also on the move. With Green Bay looking to make a move to shore up it's playoff run as well as to the future, Cutler provides both. Chad Ocho Cinco and Donnie Avery will be replacing Fitzgerald at the wideout positions in GB, and the hope is that the team can mesh in time for the key games this weekend.

The trade also includes conditional draft pick swap as GB will trade away it's 2nd pick in next year's draft in exchange for a 5th rounder if GB makes the playoffs. Otherwise the pick will fall to a 3rd rounder for the 5th pick.

338

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Thu, Dec 03, 2009, 21:39

That was some deal! Massive but it seems pretty fair.

339

Doug
ID: 351027518
Fri, Dec 04, 2009, 00:00

Apologies to anyone who's tried to contact me re: a trade... I've been pretty slammed this week and little time for fantasy football.

I'm in the "looking to improve my positioning for next season" camp.

340

Slizz
ID: 341022514
Fri, Dec 04, 2009, 00:19

on another note, Jerome Harrison is for sale :D

With Jamal Lewis landing on IR with post-concussion syndrome, he could make or break a playoff contender's season.

341

StLCards
ID: 30759250
Fri, Dec 04, 2009, 01:14

Despite picking him up in a big trade today, the 49ers announced their plans to sit Warner vs Minnesota citing the lingering concussion issues. Freeman or Smith will get the start in a battle to see who takes over long term at QB. The 49ers realize that Warner has a high liklihood of retiring at the end of this season, but if he decides to stay for one more year then he can provide the cushion while Freeman or Smith mature.

The 49ers have had a busy season of trading and look like a totally different team heading into next season than the team that couldn't even come up with decent keepers to start this season.

The latest acquisition of Maroney is a admittedly a bit of a homer pick as he grew up in St. Louis, home of the 49ers ownership. Could be some very nice picks available at that first round pick next year but Maroney is still young and very much in the mix at RB despite fumblitis. Losing McGahee whom we thought had a good shot at landing a starting gig somewhere next year prompted the move.

Larry Fitzgerald and Maroney move directly into the vacated roles while another trade acquisition Cooley won't be able to contribute until next season.

We liked Big Ben a lot and felt like Cutler had even bigger potential showing what he can do last year as the 4th rated QB. Having Freeman waiting in the wings and showing lots of promise management felt like the better move was to move Cutler for an upgrade. Hopefully Warner overlooks his concussion and decides to come back for his final year. Liking the looks of this team although missing some early draft picks next season will make it tough to complete the roster with quaility guys next season.

342

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Fri, Dec 04, 2009, 12:06

Can I assume that this weekend is the last for FA adds -- or does it depend upon if you are in the
playoffs or not?

343

Frick
ID: 9103036
Fri, Dec 04, 2009, 17:10

If anyone is still in need of a player to make a play-off push everyone on my roster is available.

344

Doug
ID: 351027518
Fri, Dec 04, 2009, 17:12

I think you can still do FAs if you are in the playoffs, but that you cannot keep anyone next year who isn't continuously on a roster starting this coming Monday.

345

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Fri, Dec 04, 2009, 17:40

non playoff teams will be locked from making free agent adds and drops. Per the new rules playoff teams "can" make adds and drops, but anyone 'added' after the last regular season freeze is not eligible to be kept, AND any player dropped by a playoff team after the regular season freeze is not eligible to be kept either.

So you can add a player but you wouldn't want to drop a keeper type to do so. That is my recollection of what we passed without going and reading the rules about it as I'm on my way out the door.

346

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Fri, Dec 04, 2009, 23:33

Geez --

D Jack is out, Avant has a hammie, Hightower has a thumb, and Grant has a shoulder.
Keller already stank it up and they probably won't throw it to Henderson this week. I'll have to start Buckhalter
just to have a warm body playing on offense.

This stinks! Esp for a week where I need to win 2! Oh well.

347

judy
ID: 5321213
Sun, Dec 06, 2009, 13:53

Add Henderson to the injury list -- not sure how serious though -- the football gods
are not with me today...

348

judy
ID: 5321213
Sun, Dec 06, 2009, 15:37

Now Vick is in for McNabb. I need to win these games -- Andy Reid -- stop being Mr Nice Guy to
Vick in Atlanta and messing with my team!

I am TOAST. I missed the deadline to put Buck in place of Hightower too...

Not my day. Oh well, at least I was able to pick up Pettigrew and Bradley for next year!

349

Toral
ID: 4155487
Sun, Dec 06, 2009, 15:57

I told you you needed Vick, honey. You never listened!

350

Slizz
ID: 341022514
Sun, Dec 06, 2009, 16:40

Judy - you hear that Reid reached a deal with Banner for a 3 year extension this morning?

What are your thoughts on that?

351

Frick
ID: 9103036
Mon, Dec 07, 2009, 09:48

Looks like I'm going to miss the play-offs (I can't believe I was even close looking back at how my season started.) What is ironic is I came very close to completing a trade to make my team better for next year that would have probably got me into the play-offs this year.

352

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Mon, Dec 07, 2009, 10:05

Toral, yea but if I have 2 Eagles QB's (and I do), they are gonna be McNabb and Kolb, not Vick for a
few trick plays. Now, Vick for another NFL team next year, you could book that. Lotta desperate
teams out there.

According to the paper today, Andy was planning on getting Vick 2 TD's so it worked out. In
retrospect, I do think the Vick thing has worked out. He got back on a football team that accepted
him and he seems grateful for the chance. I seriously doubt he will be an Eagle next year what with
Kolb in the wings, but then again, the way McNabb is going with all the young'uns, he could play for
several more years and I'm not sure we could keep Kolb under those circumstances -- he has
proven that he can be an NFL QB.

Regarding Andy's contract, his play calling sometimes drives me nuts (and loses games), but he is
the winningest coach we've had and is pretty consistent, the players love him and so do the owners
-- probably for as long as he wants to continue to coach. Really, all he is missing is a Super Bowl
Trophy...We need to paint the team Red and Green!

353

Great One
ID: 54114918
Mon, Dec 07, 2009, 10:07

Does anyone know the hotel where Mason Crosby is staying at? I need to speak with him this afternoon.

354

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Dec 07, 2009, 11:13

5 points Mason. One long FG or a couple short FGs or FG and a couple extra points. I don't care. With Moore ahving a neg rushing yd, that's all you need. Our team has NEVER lost to the BIlls in Franchise history. 15-0. You gonna be responsible for that? And you better not miss and cost us points either. What happened to that most accurate kicker in the league? What happened to you're not going to miss this year? Well tonight's the night to come up big. You say you wanted to league the league in points, well going into tonight you sit in 7th place in our league. Time to get moving!

355

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Mon, Dec 07, 2009, 14:22

OK Ryan Grant -- I just need 6.35 points outta you tonight --could you please run a little harder. No
fumbles either please.

Also. Magahee, no more goal line TD's -- give them to Rice. He's been a good boy.

And while you are at it Mr. Rodgers, toss passes to Finley not Lee -- OK? (RIFC)

356

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Mon, Dec 07, 2009, 15:25

Looks like it comes down to me beating Seattle now. Win and I'm in, lose and that's it. Don't think I have any chance to beat Eagles. Cards have basically sewed it with the easy expected win over the Falcons, and even if they lose to Vikings the tiebreakers favor them.

Cowboys are leading both games, but likely will lose both. That puts Eagles in as a WC with the Saints as the Division winner in the NFC South, and if Seattle and Arizona win both they are the other two teams. The only way the Cards don't make it in now is if they lose to Vikings, Seattle beats me and I miraculously beat Eagles. If Seattle loses to me, they are out. If they beat me, but somehow lose to Cowboys and again a miracle happens in my game with Eagles they would be out as well.

With all the scenarios, I'm still the team that looks to be out yet again. Have to hope for McGahee to get those goal line carries or perhaps mopup duty late. Landry and Collins have averaged 19 pts between them the last 4 games, so there is a chance for 20+ pts out of them both. Just have to hope for Rodgers and the Packers defense to have rough nights!

357

Promize
ID: 551462816
Mon, Dec 07, 2009, 18:40

Looks to me Judy has a lock on our division... Or at least a good path to it.

358

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Mon, Dec 07, 2009, 22:27

Uh Hello -- Mr Grant --anybody home?? Wake up man!

1.9 at halftime (you sure got lucky on that fumble...)

359

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Dec 07, 2009, 22:35

No missed FGs and I'm golden.

360

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Dec 07, 2009, 23:32

Missed 38 yd FG cost me 1.5 points. Now got a xp and need am still down .44. Got to ahve another score again. Crosby has definitely not performed how I thought when I drafted him.

361

judy
ID: 48642817
Mon, Dec 07, 2009, 23:56

I'm toast thanks to grant...

362

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Dec 08, 2009, 00:53

I think I'm in as a WC -- with no help from my 5 RB, WR and TE who IN TOTAL got me
18.4 points for the weekend. STINKO! Thanks guys.

By my calcs:
Saints and Seahawks win NFC divisions
Eagles and Cards are NFC WC.

363

Promize
ID: 551462816
Tue, Dec 08, 2009, 07:15

Crazy... The Seahawks Organization is thrilled to be back in the playoffs. Has been several years.

364

Frick
ID: 9103036
Tue, Dec 08, 2009, 08:33

Congrats to Judy on making the play-offs. Just wondering, if I had managed to beat the Saints and gone 15-11, would I have gotten the play-off spot based on our h2h record?

So close for my team, but falling just short is a huge turnaround from last year. Are draft positions for the non play-off teams now set, or do the results of the post season get factored in?

365

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Tue, Dec 08, 2009, 09:11

results of post season only factor for playoff spots for teams in the postseason and those teams also do not participate in the lottery next year. So draft spots 1-16 are set, but 17-24 are yet to be determined.

366

Toral
ID: 4155487
Tue, Dec 08, 2009, 09:34

Finally...from the outhouse to the penthouse. For one week anyway.

367

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Tue, Dec 08, 2009, 09:53

Frick, RE:364, the first tie-breaker is points scored so you would have missed out as Cards had higher point total. Better to lose and gain a few extra draft spots!

The draft slots 1-16 are set for each round except the first where they will be determined by the lottery process.

So close, but for the second year in a row my team scored the second most points in the league overall but misses the playoffs - my fantasy teams play horrible defense apparently...

368

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Tue, Dec 08, 2009, 10:16

Congrats to ref who won the Best Regular Season record this year with 20 wins thanks to a late FG.

369

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Tue, Dec 08, 2009, 10:21

Here is the regular season standings based on wins/points.

Indianapolis Colts
New York Jets
New Orleans Saints
Houston Texans
Philadelphia Eagles
San Diego Chargers
Seattle Seahawks
Arizona Cardinals

Green Bay Packers
Minnesota Vikings
Dallas Cowboys
San Francisco 49ers
Oakland Raiders
Jacksonville Jaguars
Baltimore Ravens
Chicago Bears
Kansas City Chiefs
Denver Broncos
New York Giants
Cincinnati Bengals
St Louis Rams
Buffalo Bills
Atlanta Falcons
Cleveland Browns

370

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Tue, Dec 08, 2009, 10:23

Playoff Seeding
AFC
1) Indianapolis Colts
2) Houston Texans
3) New York Jets
4) San Diego Chargers
NFC
1) New Orleans Saints
2) Seattle Seahawks
3) Philadelphia Eagles
4) Arizona Cardinals

371

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Dec 08, 2009, 10:30

I needed that extra FG (even without the miss) as for some reason they took that Tenn DST fumble recovery away from that onside kick that Clark muffed. I do think that is a mistake because that has counted for us in the past. Fortunately, I still had enough. My team is definitely not the best team in the league--even with the best record. Been pretty consistent--just not great and won't win a title unless it starts clicking.

We have two teams from each division going to the playoffs. Parity rules and some new teams have made the playoffs. Some big time improvements and those owners should be commended on turning those teams around. DS is back to defend his title.

Super Bowl Matchup
AFC
#4 mjd Chargers @ #1 Ref Colts
#3 Go Jets @ #2 bmd Texans
NFC
#4 Judy Cardinals @ #1 Toral Saints
#3 DS Eagles @ #2 Promize Seahawks

I'll have a complete schedule of the two other runners-up single elimination tournaments forthcoming.

372

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Tue, Dec 08, 2009, 10:41

Week 1 Playoff Matchups

Super Bowl
home	away
Indianapolis Colts	San Diego Chargers
Houston Texans	New York Jets
New Orleans Saints	Arizona Cardinals
Seattle Seahawks	Philadelphia Eagles

Wannabe Bowl
home	away
Green Bay Packers	Chicago Bears
Minnesota Vikings	Baltimore Ravens
Dallas Cowboys	Jacksonville Jaguars
San Francisco 49ers	Oakland Raiders

Toilet Bowl
home	away
Kansas City Chiefs	Cleveland Browns
Denver Broncos	Atlanta Falcons
New York Giants	Buffalo Bills
Cincinnati Bengals	St Louis Rams

373

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Dec 08, 2009, 10:42

Wanna-Be Bowl (Seeded teams 9-16)
Chicago Bears at Green Bay Packers
Baltimore Ravens at Minnesota Vikings
Jacksonville Jaguars at Dallas Cowboys
Oakland Raiders at San Francisco 49ers

Toilet Bowl (Seeded teams 17-24)
Cleveland Browns at Kansas City Chiefs
Atlanta Falcons at Denver Broncos
Buffalo Bills at New York Giants
St Louis Rams at Cincinnati Bengals

As Cards said earlier, the standings as far as draft picks for the non Super Bowl teams are locked with the exception of the lottery. So you can do well without worrying about hurting your draft for sure in rounds 2+. Also all stats will count for our overall frachise records. So there is no incentive to do poorly. If you lose, you are out and will not be scheduled the remaining week(s). Also, your ability to add/drop players have been restricted. Make sure you do not have a waiver claim already submitted.

374

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Tue, Dec 08, 2009, 10:53

At least we match :)

375

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Tue, Dec 08, 2009, 10:54

Remember that playoffs will start on Thursday so don't be caught off guard.

376

Great One
ID: 54114918
Tue, Dec 08, 2009, 11:05

Thanks for all your work gentlemen. I hate that 2 of my big guns are in this early game, always prefer having the last guy on Monday Night.

377

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Dec 08, 2009, 11:15

I am SO excited -- I made playoffs for the first time ever -- and in all 3 FB leagues I entered
-- CBS (here), RIFC, YAHOO.

I'll probably go one and done, but still! SO SWEET!

378

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Dec 08, 2009, 11:17

Could you please review/summarize the FA Add/drops playoff rules? Thanks.

379

Great One
ID: 54114918
Tue, Dec 08, 2009, 11:40

They can post the more complex rule language but here is a summary.

If you add someone, you can't keep them.
If you drop someone, you can't keep them.

380

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Dec 08, 2009, 11:41

Any of the top 8 teams may continue as normal but anyone added or dropped will be unable to be kept. Remember we are fighting for positioning/placement so even if you lose and eliminated from the championship, you are still alive and fighting and may add/drop.

381

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Dec 08, 2009, 14:24

Remember we are fighting for positioning/placement so even if you lose and (are) eliminated from the
championship, you are still alive and fighting and may add/drop.

HUH?

382

Great One
ID: 54114918
Tue, Dec 08, 2009, 15:35

The 8 playoff teams -- even after they are eliminated -- are playing in the "losers bracket" and can still add/drop with the same stipulation.

383

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Dec 08, 2009, 15:37

From Rules:

Seeds #1/#4 and Seeds #2/#3 will play in week #14, with the winners advancing to meet for their respective conference championship in week #15. Each conference winner will advance to the SuperBowl to be held in week #16. Losers will also continue playing to vie for placement for cash prizes (if app.). i.e. If you lose in round one, the best you can do is 5th place.

Here are the payouts for the 2008 prize pool:

We have 22 of 24 paid for a total of $330:
1st: $100
2nd: $60
3rd: $42.50
4th: $32.50
5th: $30
6th: $22.50
7th: $17.50
8th: $15
Best Regular Season Record: $10

I need to get with Cards about the '09 payout but I think it's the same.

384

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Dec 08, 2009, 16:35

I get $$$? WOW!

385

deepsnapper
ID: 168481416
Wed, Dec 09, 2009, 13:25

Judy - props for making the playoffs in your first yr. Especially after trading Brady! I played all but the 1st year and oonly got into the tournament last year. (09 makes 2!).

Ditto the props to Ref for best record. You turned the "poor old Ref" - no QB last year into a great team the last 2 years.

I made a FA pickup a few minutes ago at LB. FYI

386

Great One
ID: 54114918
Wed, Dec 09, 2009, 14:05

Has anyone else broke 3000 points before? At least I was able to do that despite coming up short with my record.

387

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Wed, Dec 09, 2009, 15:18

GO, you are the first to do it in the regular season. Your point total was 170 higher than last year's #1 scoring regular season team. Nice job!

Happens that I had the second best regular season scoring of all time finishing just shy of the 3000 mark. Some of the points can be attributed to adding return yardage this year which I figure a 20-25 pt increase for my team over last year. Overall I increased my team's pt total by 80 this year and still couldn't make the playoffs. :(

The NFC North has been the toughest division the past few seasons and the only division that has nearly every team near .500 or better for the duration of the league. We've had some tough managers and while frustrating to keep coming up short seemingly no matter what I do, the competition is still a great challenge each season!

388

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Dec 09, 2009, 15:24

Most Points Scored Season
1. 3268.8 Twarpy's Giants (08)
2. 3265.4 bj21's Rams (07)
3. 3248.0 Ref's Colts (08)
4. 3238.4 Skinneej's Packers (08)
5. 3230.8 Cards' 49ers (07)

All playoff games count toward records--including consolation games. Since GO is guaranteed 3 more games--it would seem he is a lock to hit the record book in this cat.

389

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Dec 09, 2009, 15:51

The first 3 years of this league the AFC EAST dominated to the tune of three straight championships. The NFC South had pretty much killed since ten until this year--but the NFC North has been really good too and were the best this year. If Twarpy hadn't fallen apart late it coudl have been epic. But injuries, etc happen.

W/L are huge in our league because of the depth and the thin (to none) availability at some positions. This really makes you use the strategy to figure out who you can keep and who you have to dump to get a servicable player to win that week--esp during bye weeks. We use TPF as our tiebreakers to also make you consider replacing a bye week/injured player even in weeks you know you can't win in order to try and squeek out those extra points in case of a tie at the end. But in an H2H league, you still have to win the games.

I saw a lot more trading for bye week Ks and Ds etc, this year than usual. Some people stated that they'd never trade for a bye week player--then when it came time--they were also doing it or at least fishing for a deal--which they should if it works for their team at that time. I decided not to cover my bye week TE with a FA as I didn't want to drop Wodley only to get a Loss and then drop Woodley the following week. I had an opponent trade for a DST for his bye week and that was teh difference in beating me. I think that's great for our league. Activity is fun for the league and changes the landscape.

My team won't put up many big games and none hit 130, but the consistency led me to beating GO twice--in fact going 10-0 in my div and the best record overall. Yet no one is really scared of me. But if you have an avg. week against me, you will probably get beat. I have to think that GO is the favorite right now as he's capable of putting up higher numbers than the rest of us it seems--but you just never know what will happen each week--esp. with the cold and snow coming to some cities. All of the playoff teams are capable of winning it. Heck, there are some teams who aren't in the top 8 who are really playing well right now. They'd be scary to face and may dominate those Wanna-be and Toilet bowls.

As far as playing in tougher divisions. Yeah, I agree that it can be frustrating, but we do have a strength of schedule based formula that does help the weaker teams a smidge. Also, if we were ever allowed to go to six divisions of four, we would realign based on geography and that would shake some things up a little. But for the most part people seem to be happy the way things are. I know this is my favorite sport simply because there is so much on the line every week and it's so much shorter than baseball where I get so worn out from the daily grind (factoring in commish duties).

So playoffs start tomorrow. Don't forget to set your lineups and have fun! For the 16 teams not playing for the Super Bowl, figure out your lineups because all stats count and winning has no effect on your draft order for next season. You may be the next Wanna-Be or high on pot...err the toilet bowl champion!

390

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Dec 09, 2009, 15:58

For next year, I've had a couple people talk about INTs being worth too much and we should take a look at it. I don't think INTs being worth 4 are too much by itself--BUT it seems every INT also gets a PDef, so it makes an INT really worth 5 points and that may be too much. So we can look at that next fall and see where things shake out. Maybe we like the DBs worth more (though LBs do get picks too)? I do like the DLine geting that extra point for the sack this season (though again LBs get sacks too).

391

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Wed, Dec 09, 2009, 16:59

NFC North has been pretty consistent was the point, with no dominating teams but also no trophys to show. I know you guys spend alot of time on the schedule trying to balance it, but I think it is a crap shoot from year to year anyway. This year only 3 teams returned to the championship brackets (Colts, Eagles and Texans) while several teams fell to the cellar. That is the point of our supplemental draft to help the weaker teams, so it works. The problem is using last year's final standings to figure out who the matchups should be when we play out of conference is a flawed approach. I didn't make the playoffs last year, but I had to play all four AFC teams that are in it this year (of course I did go 3-1 against those teams). The point is a random drawing is probably just as good without the bias (call it the reverse parity effect if you want).

Trading for bye weeks has always been something I have done even for K and Defenses. I am surprised more teams don't do it. It helped my team win a game this season that I would have lost (Yes it was me Ref) so I felt justified in making the trade even giving up a decent pick.

Matchups do come into play some weeks, but trying to score the most points each week has always been my goal and the last two seasons especially I have done that - just didn't translate into wins as much as it should have. Some tough luck for sure, but I put up at least 100 pts every week but 2 (and those weeks weren't shabby at 89 and 99) and scored over 130 Four times (although the franchise standings still only show 2). Don't know what much else I could have done...just blind luck I guess.

For fun (or maybe to prolong the misery - I'm not sure) if I had swapped schedules with the team with the best record (Colts) I would have gone 19-7 and tied for the best record in the league. Colts would have gone 13-13 and finished 4th in our division...that's a huge difference!

392

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Dec 09, 2009, 17:24

Yeah you only miss two teams each season and play everyone in your div twice and and other div in your conf once. So the SOS does have an impact but it's only for two games. It's hard to simply switch schedules with people as one may have done things differently if the situation was changed.

I haven't updated week 13 yet for the standings and everything is done manually so if I've missed a 130 week I will add that in. I do know that you have a damn good team. Wish NFL teams didn't trash week 17 so bad by resting players so we could have another week of regular season, but it is what it is. Heck the Colts are going to start resting their regulars long before week 17 it seems. Maybe the Saints will too?

393

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Dec 09, 2009, 17:26

Btw, 5 new teams into the top 8 is a testament to our parity and how hard those five new teams had to work to get into that top group! Congrats!

394

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Wed, Dec 09, 2009, 19:00

The Chargers are making their first ever playoff appearence in
my 3rd year of ownership.

Only 3 players remain from that team I took over, but Goatlocker
drafting Phillip Rivers the year before I took over gave me a
franchise QB to build on.

I never really expected to make the playoffs this year, as a few of
my youngsters need another year or two to mature. Going 3-1
while my QB and DST were on byes was certainly helpful. I did
try to trade for a DST and trading for a bye week K backfired and
cost me a pick upgrade.

But I'm in the dance and once there you never know what can
happen.

395

Peter N.
ID: 13111319
Wed, Dec 09, 2009, 20:23

Congrats to all that made the playoffs, especially the 1st-timers! I'll be rooting for my buddy ds once again. Bring the title back to Dallas!

BTW, I am kicking myself for dropping Pettigrew. Ugh

396

StLCards
ID: 30759250
Wed, Dec 09, 2009, 21:39

Go DS! I have to root for my buddy representing the South! Also feeling bad that Westbrook got concussed and hasn't helped like he should have.

Pete, feel free to drop all the good players you want ;)

397

beastiemiked
ID: 35621411
Wed, Dec 09, 2009, 23:31

I hate the fact that the guy that finished 2nd in points didn't make the playoffs. I propose that the 4th spot in the playoffs should be awarded to the team with the most points. W/L are a complete crapshoot. Skinneej had the 2nd best team the past 2 years and didn't make the playoffs either year. That's ridiculous and it needs to be changed.

398

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Thu, Dec 10, 2009, 00:40

Yeah -- thanks Peter -- for Pettigrew --I was hoping you would drop him when he got injured
and I pounced ASAP!!

400

judy
ID: 451147923
Thu, Dec 10, 2009, 00:48

Well beastie, the (real) Pats put up - what -- 59 on Detroit, but I bet they would like to have
some of those points these days, but they are useless now. Ya gotta win when the game is
on the line. There is too much variability in injuries, luck (good and bad -- think all the
missed/made last minute FG's this year...), and bye week issues to use total points in this
league with so many divisions and teams. The real NFL does not work that way and we
should not either --until it becomes a last resort tiebreaker issue.

401

beastiemiked
ID: 35621411
Thu, Dec 10, 2009, 01:16

The real NFL and fantasy sports are completely different things. My fantasy team doesn't let up when I'm winning by 50 going into Monday night. They also can't bear down and beat a bad team when my stud RB goes out with a 1st quarter injury.

The only reason why leagues don't use a straight point system(no matchups and W/L's) is because it takes out a lot of the excitement. Letting the last playoff spot be decided by points rather than W/L would take none of the excitement out and would allow teams that have gotten screwed by the matchups to earn their rightful spot in the playoffs. You're absolutely crazy if you think any team that finished with less points deserved to get to the playoffs more than skinnej

402

Great One
ID: 54114918
Thu, Dec 10, 2009, 11:10

A wild card to the highest scoring non playoff team is an interesting idea although I don't think CBS could handle processing that.

But I do agree it takes away from the whole head-to-head "beat the other guy, each week matters so much" type thing. And lets say I score 1000 points the first two weeks and lose every week afterwards... would I deserve the make the playoffs when my team lost more often than not?

403

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Thu, Dec 10, 2009, 11:33

Because RIFC uses TPF for 7th and 8th places to determine playoffs teams, the two teams
winning those slots this year went 10-16 and 12-14...The two teams tied for 6th who lost
out were 13-13.

Go to the AAA#1 thread and check out #251 and the later analysis in #480. It shows the
value of having luck on your side.

hmmm...

404

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Thu, Dec 10, 2009, 13:44

bmd and others, thanks for the love but I'm not sure changing anything is warranted. Just bad luck two years in a row. Last year I tied for the final Wild Card spot in the NFC, but lost out since the team I was tied with (Giants) was the only team in the league that scored more total points than I did. This year I had an even better season, but my record was worse and finished 1 game out. Those things happen in H2H fantasy football, just sucks for me! :)

Right now we have a three tier playoff system. If we went to a two tier system where the top 12 made it, that could help but then opens up other issues. The top four teams would then get a bye the first week of the playoffs, but you would have to add another week. Then you would ony have 12 weeks of regular season which can complicate matters further. Another idea was going to 6 divisions of four teams, but that just adds new issues...

405

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Thu, Dec 10, 2009, 13:57

Another idea when considering options for determining playoff positions is power rankings. This blends the W-L records with the total points and the breakdowns versus other teams. That gives a better idea of who the strongest teams are and takes a little of the luck factor away. I finished 5th the last two years in power rankings and that seems about right considering the other factors. BTW, why am I just now realizing that you can see previous year's final standings and rankings on that same page?? Doh! I had been going back to older message forum threads looking for some of the data...haha

406

Peter N.
ID: 13111319
Thu, Dec 10, 2009, 15:38

RE 396: I'll just keep McMichael instead. ;-) All kidding aside, I probably would've had a hard time keeping Pettigrew with the emergence of Jacoby Jones. Thank goodness for return yards. :-)

407

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Thu, Dec 10, 2009, 15:56

The downside of H2H.

Why is H2H the most popular format in fantasy football, while most
of us play roto in fantasy baseball? (Though I am involved in a
couple of H2H leagues in baseball.)

408

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Thu, Dec 10, 2009, 17:07

One of the things I like about H2H is that you can be in it until the end with a bit of luck. If it were total
points, some teams would be out really early. (In BBall, you can be "toast" by the July all star game and
that is no fun at all. No matter how hard you try, you cannot get those stats/points back.)

For example, for some reason, I NEVER get a lot of points and this year finished 4th in AAA RIFC based on
W/L, but was 9th in total points. Basically, using TPF, I was so far behind by week 10 that I could have lost
interest. H2H keeps the interest going right up to the end and that is the way it should be. You are looking
for your team to win and for another team (or 2,3 )to lose. Even if your team stinks, it just might knock out
someone else's team and that would feel good!

Look at post # 356 above to see that there was still a lot of interest in how the H2H matches in G24 were
going to turn out in Week #13, Using only TPF would just kill that.

409

Great One
ID: 54114918
Fri, Dec 11, 2009, 10:28

Not a good start for me, at least Big Ben almost got 10, I was fearing he was gonna get like a 2 point night. Benched Santonio scared of having 2 of my key guys in that same awful game. So lets go Cotchery... and then Cribbs went nuts for him.

410

Building 7
ID: 471052128
Fri, Dec 11, 2009, 10:46

As a long-suffering Browns fan, it was nice to see. Actually I didn't get to see it, because it was on some stupid channel I don't get. Did anybody see it? How did Cribbs get so mauch rushing yardage? Were they running the Wildcat a lot? Why do defenses often turn to mush vs. the Wildcat. Teams run the ball about 95% of the time out of the Wildcat.

411

skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Fri, Dec 11, 2009, 12:15

One of the reasons for the wildcat's success is you have an extra blocker as there is no QB to hand the ball off. Since the formation is usually a run first option the player receiving the direct snap can survey the defense and has an idea of the best gaps to run through. There are so many options you can add with end-arounds, play actions to other players in the backfield, etc that it is difficult to defend.

412

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Dec 11, 2009, 12:17

#410: Missed it too. Damn!

413

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Fri, Dec 11, 2009, 12:46

#410 They ran wide on the Stillers all night -- couldn't catch 'em. Lousy tackling, but I
suspect that had to do with frozen hands -- they would grab and then slide off. Cribb
was mostly 2-3 big plays.

414

Doug
ID: 351027518
Fri, Dec 11, 2009, 21:06

I don't have strong feelings on this but I generally in the camp of "last playoff spot goes to highest TPs" in most of my other leagues.

However, because of our setup, we basically have two sets of 12 teams going for 4 playoff spots, whereas my other leagues have 6-8 playoff spots.

The I think we would do it (last playoff spot on points) is if we went to a 12 week season with a 12-team playoff (6 per conference) and division winners got byes. I'm not opposed to that, but I know we had a hell of a time working out the scheduling when we settled on current format... I guess with a 12 week season we'd have to reduce the cross-conference games from 10 to 8... which could actually allow us to add a wee bit more of S-O-S to the mix if desirable (nothing drastic though).

Based on current standings (13 week rather than 12 week):

AFC
---
#1 Colts and #2 Texans would have bye
#3 Jets vs. #6 Broncos (on points)
#4 Chargers vs. #5 Raiders

NFC
---
#1 Saints and #2 Seahawks would have bye
#3 Eagles vs. #6 Cowboys (on points)
#4 Cardinals vs. #5 Packers

I started out writing this post thinking I'd show why this idea wouldn't work, but now I actually kind of like it, lol.

415

beastiemiked
ID: 35621411
Sat, Dec 12, 2009, 14:57

I like that idea Doug. It'll also reduce the # of lottery teams which would eliminate the chance of some team that's really good to luckbox the #1 pick.

416

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Sat, Dec 12, 2009, 15:39

Nah -- I don't like the idea of byes. If you are gonna open up the playoffs this
much, then seed 8 teams in each division. (1/3 of teams to make playoffs). This
keeps 13 weeks and 3 rounds of playoffs.

417

Slizz
ID: 341022514
Sat, Dec 12, 2009, 16:34

In theory, I like the idea...but I am not a big fan of having sub .500 teams make the playoffs.

Had we done that, the Raiders (you @ 12-13-1) and Chiefs (12-14 and a 6-4 divisional record) would have made the playoffs.

The playoffs should be a reward for good performance all season and I feel that having the 8 team field (4 NFC, AFC) sufficiently does that. Sure it hurts to be the odd man out and 5th seed (like I was last year @ 12-14), but it is fair.

At the very least, I think we should put it up for a vote to see what the rest of the league thinks...Ref, what are your thoughts?

I just don't want this to be like the NHL or NBA where you have sub .500 teams at the 7 & 8 seeds who have no business even being there in the first place.

418

StLCards
ID: 4011131218
Sat, Dec 12, 2009, 19:13

I think a 12 week season is too short. I wouild rather go to a 14 week season, but unfortunately week 17 has too many players resting.

419

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Dec 12, 2009, 22:01

I agree with Cards in 418. The more reg. season games the better.

420

judy
ID: 5321213
Sun, Dec 13, 2009, 12:39

Avant... Hightower...Avant ... Hightower...

I guess Hightower 'cause the weather at Jints stadium will be
horrendous. It is ugly here -- cold, wet and plain nasty!

421

beastiemiked
ID: 35621411
Sun, Dec 13, 2009, 14:12

Ugh, forgot I wasn't starting Bironas over Lindell.

422

Great One
ID: 510371919
Sun, Dec 13, 2009, 16:05

The regular season is short at 12 weeks, but we do play 2 games per week, so thats 24 games to state your case.

423

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Dec 13, 2009, 16:16

Right but it's still 12 lineups and weeks. So you're taking away a week (and two games). I htink the more games the more the cream has a chance to rise to the top.

424

StLCards
ID: 15727522
Sun, Dec 13, 2009, 18:01

And the more interesting it is for the whole league.

425

StLCards
ID: 15727522
Sun, Dec 13, 2009, 18:02

Jets Texans playoff game is going to be a high scoring shootout and should be very close.

426

judy
ID: 5321213
Sun, Dec 13, 2009, 18:16

Young is out with a hammie...

427

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Sun, Dec 13, 2009, 19:54

Baring stat corrections, I need 64.1 from:

McNabb, Hightower, D Jack, Mikell, Dansby and the Jints D.

Unfortunately, good Iggles means bad Jints, but I'll take the Iggles
anytime.

428

Toral
ID: 4155487
Sun, Dec 13, 2009, 20:37

I have Celek and Avant in RIFC, so any Eagle touchdowns must be scored by them. Preferably on reverses and fumble recoveries.

429

StLCards
ID: 15953613
Sun, Dec 13, 2009, 20:55

Wow, Jets really poured it on there and have almost a 100 pts from 3 players alone.

430

beastiemiked
ID: 35621411
Sun, Dec 13, 2009, 21:24

Ugh, Not starting Bironas cost me 8 points. Probably would've picked up a IDP guy if I had been a good owner and saw the Davis has been putting up stinkers the past 3 weeks. Guess I still have an outside shot if Manning puts up 20 more this game, LOL.

Sucks that we were the 2 highest scoring teams in the AFC and had to face off in Round 1.

431

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Sun, Dec 13, 2009, 23:06

Jints D at -1.5 with a whole quarter to go -- sheesh -- they might
just set a record for negative points the way this game is going!

432

Doug
ID: 3630123
Mon, Dec 14, 2009, 01:56

Judy - 8 per conference would be 2/3 of teams in playoffs, not 1/3... and that would be way too much. And I do like byes... makes the regular season mean something more. It's not enough just to "make the playoffs", you want that guaranteed week. I'm in 5 keeper leagues (that's all I play anymore) and 2 of them have a bye week playoff system, 3 don't.

Slizz - I may be sub-.500, but I was top 25% of league on points. I was just presenting an idea of how we could avoid a situation the #3 team on points (skinneej) isn't in the playoffs. On the one hand, I like the luck factor of H2H, but on the other hand sometimes it's a little too much, and this would mitigate that. It would mean 12 of 24 teams, so half the league... so you would on average expect the "last team in" to be about .500 though.

Ref - I hear you, but I think the diff between 12wk/24gm and 13wk/26gm is pretty slight... you aren't going to see a big diff in the "cream rising to the top". I'd imagine most years you'll have a couple teams jockeying for the last spot in one conf, and the other conf will be known before the season ends... just a question of where the finish line, I guess I just don't see how 1 wk (4% in this case) is generally going to tell us something the other 96% doesn't.

I'm not advocating hard for switching it up, but I don't think the arguments presented against it thus far hold much water (Slizz's the only one I kinda agree with... but I think the advantage of a bye for top teams and the "most points for last spot" mean that the teams that get in would deserve it, and the top teams would be rewarded for top performance).

Ultimately it's really more a fundamental question of "what's the right number of playoff teams?" and then you work out a system from there. If I had to pick a number, I'd actually say 5... 4 seems too low, and 6 seems a bit much. You could do that just like the system mentioned in prior post (where you take the 4 we have under current system and add 1 for most points) and then only the best regular season record in each conference (not division) gets the bye. At least you get something for winning the regular season.

433

Great One
ID: 54114918
Mon, Dec 14, 2009, 08:58

Most standard leagues I'm in have 10 or 12 teams and 6 make the playoffs. So it seems like 6 AFC and 6 NFC makes sense and would exactly mirror the real the NFL. Like Doug said, to me wrapping the regular season after Week 12 wouldn't be all the different especially with the double game weeks we have.

434

Toral
ID: 4155487
Mon, Dec 14, 2009, 09:02

Making the playoffs is harder and special in this league and on balance I like it, frustrating though it may be at times.

I would actually prefer using week 17 to a 12-game schedule.

435

Great One
ID: 54114918
Mon, Dec 14, 2009, 09:02

And I can't believe with the crazy week I had I am still not out of the woods yet vs. BMD's Texans. What a fight.

It was quite a tough time with benching Holmes cause of weather, and then benching Cotchery because of Agib Talib decided to cover him and I figured they'd be running... and then having the guts to start Quinton Ganther who I didn't even know 3 days ago - in my first G24 playoff game.

Hopefully its enough to hold on. Gotta keep Boldin out of the end zone.

436

Toral
ID: 4155487
Mon, Dec 14, 2009, 09:17

Looks like Judy will beat me. Hope it'll be by enuf so that playing Edwards over Nicks won't be the difference.

437

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Mon, Dec 14, 2009, 10:23

To me the more regular weeks we play without nfl byes the better it is. I really don't like the double-headers at all as bye weeks are amplified x2. Before double headers you could look ahead and plan what you would need to do in certain weeks to at least be competitive with the team you were up against. With double headers that is out the window, at least for me, as there are just too many games to worry about.

The double-headers have taken a lot away from this league, for me, as there is no longer any feeling of me against another team. Now it feels more like just set my lineup and oh well, as I really never quite know who I'm playing anymore anyway.

438

Slizz
ID: 341022514
Mon, Dec 14, 2009, 10:35

lol. Edwards is like the Black Cat of Fantasy Football.

439

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Mon, Dec 14, 2009, 10:38

Curious to see the affect of the new playoff rule this year. Week 1 we had the following moves:
WR. Devin Thomas - 6.64pts
LB, Jasper Brinkley - 3pts
K, Joe Nedney - Monday night game
LB, Brad Jones - 0pts
RB, Quenton Ganther - 21.3pts
RB, Arian Foster - 8.8pts on the bench

So it looks like there was one player that could possibly change the outcome of a playoff game, that being Ganther as he scored about 11 more points than the highest bench player for the Jets. Won't know until after tonight, but I'm not sure I've ever seen so many points in a playoff game by both teams before, wow. Will be a tough loss for one of them for sure.

440

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Mon, Dec 14, 2009, 10:51

RE: 432 -- oops.

I like the doubleheaders -- it gives you more chances. It makes you plan for bye weeks. In
my mind, the more data the better.

I don't like using week 17 -- if you have players on clinched teams who are rested, your
whole season goes down the tubes... in this league there are not enough quality backups
to cover. Some players I draft by looking at their playoff week opponents.

441

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Mon, Dec 14, 2009, 10:58

Toral -- I needed 6 points from Grant last week and did not get them.. Hopefully, Hightower and
Dansby will get me 4.8.

442

Toral
ID: 4155487
Mon, Dec 14, 2009, 11:09

Grant -- that cur.

Yer preseason faith in DeSean was well rewarded.

443

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Mon, Dec 14, 2009, 11:46

Well, Grant owed me!

Yeah, D Jack is really exciting to watch! I like the Iggles chances if we can learn how to
tackle. Two of the Jints Tds' were due to crappy tackling. They need stickier gloves!!!

Maclin's torn plantar fascia is bad news. I tore mine once and it felt like I had been shot.
Bothered me the whole season, but they can shoot it up...

444

Peter N.
ID: 13111319
Mon, Dec 14, 2009, 11:49

Yeah, that McNabb/DJax for Brady/White trade isn't looking so bad now eh? LOL

445

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Mon, Dec 14, 2009, 15:42

Yeah Peter,

I like it...always have...

446

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Mon, Dec 14, 2009, 16:01

Peter -- I looked it up:

You offered the trade at 13:50 on July 27th.

I accepted at 17.14 on the 27th. I'd call that no hesitation -- 3 hours, 24 minutes!

447

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Mon, Dec 14, 2009, 19:35

Wow -- we got Halladay long term...

448

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Mon, Dec 14, 2009, 21:46

The one thing I feared -- a Hightower FL...

449

judy
ID: 48642817
Mon, Dec 14, 2009, 22:38

Looks like they are sitting hightower ... I am doomed ...

450

Doug
ID: 351027518
Mon, Dec 14, 2009, 22:55

Double headers means that bye weeks are amplified 2x... and, non-bye-week games are amplified 2x. It's a non-event in that regard.

But if you don't like double-headers, then all the more reason to expand playoffs by a week... an extra week of games where it's 1 on 1. :)

Under absolutely no circumstances would I ever move for using week 17. I've been playing FF for over 10 years now, with as many as 10 teams per year, and in all that time I think I maybe had 1 or 2 redraft leagues back in the day that actually used week 17? Like Judy said, it's pretty universally considered a bad week to use, especially since it's the headline game of the entire fantasy season... it'd be like if in the Super Bowl each year they had a couple key starters sit out and a few more starters only played for the 1st half, etc.

451

Doug
ID: 351027518
Mon, Dec 14, 2009, 23:01

I'd also argue that the longer the season goes on, the more obvious it becomes who has a shot and who doesn't, and the more motivation teams have to trade away talent, lose games to improve draft position, etc.

I'm not saying people throw games intentionally, but it's only rational to start picking up players and stocking your bench with guys who might help next year or in case of injury rather than worrying about current season performance... which then allows a good team with favorable matchups against those teams late in the season an even easier path into the playoffs vs. some of the other guys who might be going up against other teams that are "still in the mix".

Basically, the teams and standings get more and more "polarized" as the season goes on. For example, I definitely felt like pick 'ems was a heck of a lot easier late in the season that it was early in the season.

452

Doug
ID: 351027518
Mon, Dec 14, 2009, 23:10

Well judy, Hightower caught a pass, and you've got Dansby going still too... 15 minutes to earn 0.31 fantasy points for the outright win. I think you can do it. Kinda appropriate that your season is riding on 2 Cardinals... :)

453

Doug
ID: 351027518
Mon, Dec 14, 2009, 23:19

Of course, my scores don't reflect pick 'ems getting easier, lol... I tanked towards the end... but still, I felt like the picks were generally more obvious... I just happened to get them wrong. Earlier in the season it seemed like there was a lot more unknowns. So even though scoring didn't, the decision making part of it was.

Speaking of pick 'ems... Ref and I were tied heading into this week (adjusting for dropping lowest score)... although it looks like I'm going to gain a 3 point lead after this week, with only 9 games left to predict. Good neck-and-neck race!

454

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Dec 14, 2009, 23:23

Holy smokes bmd, if Boldin does anything (and he still can) you win this thing. Too bad this isn't the championship game cuz that's the kind of game you'd love to see in week 16!

455

Doug
ID: 351027518
Mon, Dec 14, 2009, 23:25

Yep, 73 more yards and a TD would do it. Possible.

And even though Dansby got a tackle, judy can still lose it with another Hightower fumble, lol. :)

456

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Dec 14, 2009, 23:45

A TD pass to Boldin right here wins it.

457

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Dec 14, 2009, 23:50

Well he loses the fumble and clinches it for GO.

458

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Dec 15, 2009, 00:24

Good grief what a horrible game for Hightower and AZ. Thank heavens for Dansby. I almost did
not want H'tower to touch the ball at the end the way the 49'rs D was playing.

I fear for the (real) Iggles next week when SF comes to town. It could be a blood bath -- or
maybe AZ just stank it up. At least the (real) Iggles will be forewarned...

459

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Dec 15, 2009, 00:33

Well now, regarding W/L record vs total points debate for playoff spots.

In RIFC AAA#1, the 7 and 8 seeds who were in the playoff Championship bracket due to total
points for (3 and 4th respectively in the league), defeated the #1 and #2 seeds -- based on
W/L records. Each had a 30 point guy -- D Jack and C Johnson, so that helped, but the
winning margin was 16 points in one game and 43 in the other.

So, yes, there should be some consideration for TPF to "negate/cancel out" scheduling
mishaps. This would give support to the proposal outlined in #414.

How would it have affected our week one of playoffs?

460

Doug
ID: 351027518
Tue, Dec 15, 2009, 01:11

With the caveat that teams might have made different late season moves and set different lineups if we started a week earlier, etc... this is what things would look like if we had done a 6-team per conference playoff weeks 13-16 (so far).

AFC - Week 13
---
#1 Colts and #2 Texans on bye
#3 Jets defeat #6 Broncos (on points)
#4 Chargers defeat #5 Raiders

NFC - Week 13
---
#1 Saints and #2 Packers on bye
#3 Eagles defeat #6 Cowboys (on points)
#5 Seahawks defeat #4 Cardinals

AFC - Week 14
---
#1 Colts defeat #4 Chargers
#3 Jets defeat #2 Texans
(same as what actually happened)

NFC - Week 14
---
#1 Saints defeat #5 Seahawks
#2 Packers defeat #3 Eagles
(obviously different than what happened)

Week 15
---
AFC - #1 Colts vs. #3 Jets
NFC - #1 Saints vs. #2 Packers

461

Toral
ID: 4155487
Tue, Dec 15, 2009, 01:55

Geez, that was fun.

Congratulations, Judy!!!!! and Good Luck!

462

deepsnapper
ID: 168481416
Tue, Dec 15, 2009, 07:50

Wellll - obviously I prefer the current format. lol

Daaag.... GO almost doubled my score! Good game Promise, c-ya next year and good luck in your next game. Hey Judy! It's iggles vs the Eagles! lol

I really do prefer the 13 game regular season even though IIRC, I would've made the playoffs in '06 or '07 under the bye week system. The only advantage I see is it reduces the pool for the @1 pick. That's not enough incentive to change the current format.

Re: the 12 week season. It goes by too fast when you factor in the bye week go thru week 10. When you consider the teams are regrouped for the bye weeks each year, A GB, MIN, SF, NE bye week would kill me! I'd need the extra 2 regular season games to recover from 2 losses.

Played in a league (1x) using week 17 for the championship and never again. Half my team sat out Wk 17. unless they add a 17th regular season game and play an 18 week schedule, that one's out for me.

I don't know if Wade's blowing gas from an orifice, but he's saying Ware might play this weekend. Ware sore, but Cowboys not ruling him out

ds

463

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Tue, Dec 15, 2009, 08:47

Well I obviously made the playoffs due to pure scheduling luck, as I
never put up any impressive numbers in any of my regular season
games. My season can be used as the prefect example supporting
those who favor points over W-L record.

I don't think I deserved to make playoffs and almost wish I didn't,
as it will most certainly curtail my rebuilding plans.

464

Great One
ID: 54114918
Tue, Dec 15, 2009, 09:13

That was way closer than it needed to be, good match BMD!

Looking forward to playing Ref.

465

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Tue, Dec 15, 2009, 09:24

I agree that using week 17 makes no sense. Won't be much consolation for people with Colts players that start getting rested now if they have any type of injury or likely come out of games early, but not much you can do about that.

I like the idea of a bye week, but don't see any way to make it fit without expanding the playoffs to 4 weeks, which would mean 25% of the season is playoffs and half the league gets in the playoffs. On the one hand we want the best teams to be rewarded with bye weeks and to have true playoff caliber teams in the playoffs, but on the other hand, why reward marginal teams with playoff berths, which is what would happen with 12 teams in the playoffs.

As far as points vs record, I'm against that. A team with low points has just as many 'reasons' why they might have low points as a team with high points can argue they got 'unlucky' with scheduling. Maybe the low point team had some bad injuries early on and/or made a late season trade(s) to improve their team and it is far better at the end of the season than it was at the start. Maybe the low point team was better at weekly planning doing enough to win each week than the high point team that couldn't win. Maybe the high point team was also good last year and the strength of schedule modifiers made them lose a couple key games. We already use points to break tie-breakers and almost every year the tie-breakers come into play. You could argue that BMD's Texans got unlucky in the playoffs since he scored the second highest points but lost since he faced the the highest scoring team, but that doesn't mean he should advance to the next round.

466

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Dec 15, 2009, 09:27

Week 15: 12/15/09 - 12/21/09 (Playoffs)
Super Bowl
New York Jets at Indianapolis Colts
Arizona Cardinals at Philadelphia Eagles
Consolation
San Diego Chargers at Houston Texans
Seattle Seahawks at New Orleans Saints
Wannabe Bowl
Baltimore Ravens at Green Bay Packers
Jacksonville Jaguars at San Francisco 49ers
Toilet Bowl
Denver Broncos at Kansas City Chiefs
Cincinnati Bengals at New York Giants

467

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Dec 15, 2009, 10:53

Cards and I seem to be in agreement with this playoff "expansion."

There can be some serious strategy with what you do based on who you play that week and whoe your bye week players are. Do you trade or drop a player you'd rather hold onto to try and win that week? Do you have no hope so hold pat and take the loss(es)? It was much easier to figure out playing a single game, but it still comes into play now with two games/week. But you strategize based on what you're dealt. I'm not saying there might not be a better way, I'm always open to changing things up to make things more fair/fun.

This is a H2H league. It's not a roto league. We use points as a tiebreaker instead of H2H so people will try and score as much as possible instead of simpley throwing weeks in which they have a lot of byes as well as helping with luck by catching a great team on its major bye week, etc.

We have a close to balanced schedule with every team in every division. You play all teams in your division twice (once during a bye-week, once during a non-bye-week); your other division intraconference once and then you play 10 of the 12 interconference teams based on strength of schedule (1 seeds don't play 6 seeds (based on previous season finish)… same for 2/5 and 3/4…). The schedule is hard-coded based on your finish the year prior. We plug-in your finish and the schedule is generated. Just like the NFL, it is based on the previous season. So we do our due-diligence in making the schedule as equal as possible to everyone involved.

Now, just like the NFL, we can't account for injuries or new players drafted or trades, etc. Bye weeks are something that we all must deal with. I know I take that into account when drafting and several others do too.

I can empathize with skinneej and bmd as I've been the first one left out of the playoffs and I've also had the 2nd highest score of the week only to lose. It stinks--but it's H2H. Skinneej just had to win one game that final week but lost them both. He made a last minute trade that got him a win over me one week and made some HUGE moves late but didn't get him a week 13 win. I thought that move might win him the title--but have to make the playoffs to win it.

My goal each season is to tray and figure out a way to make the playoffs. I am deep, try and account for injuries and bye weeks when I can. I am not great and probably never will be but my consistency--esp. through bye weeks--win me a lot of games. Unfortunately, it will need some breaks to win it. Best record in the league--yet hasn't even hit 130 (our current big week threshold) once. My team has only missed the playoffs once (finished 5th in '06) but haven't won since the first two seasons of the league.

mjd's Chargers finished last in '08 and made the playoffs this season. He didn't have to play the best two teams from last season. I finished first in div. last year and wasn't allowed to play the two worst teams in the NFC again this season.

We only have THREE of the EIGHT playof teams returning from last season. DS is one of them and it's only his 2nd time after winning it all last season. Seems like he finally built his dynasty. Toral has built his team up and finally broke through. I know both of those teams went through some hard times and I am proud of them. I know I hate building and kudos to them. Same goes for mjd. The franchise first ever playoff entry. Judy took over a good team, but put her own mark on the franchise by making some huge deals and she has made it to the conference finals this week. BMD took over a horrible team a few years back and has turned his team into a perennial contender. Promize took his Seahawks to the Super Bowl in our first season but has been rebuilding ever since and he busts into the playoffs for the first time since IIRC.

Some of the other franchises who have had major success in our past are now forced to try and rebuild to different degrees like the 49ers, Rams, Cowboys, Broncos, Raiders, Giants and Bears. Then look at what the Chiefs have been able to do late in the year. Talk about a re-build. They now have the talent to vie for the Super Bowl if they hadn't lost so many games early on. They had the 3rd highest score this past week and it wasn't a fluke.

My personal opinion is that using week 17 is a non-starter. It truly would have nothing to do with having the best team if so many guys are going to be sitting. Sure it could also happen with weeks 15 and 16--but that is a rarity. I don't want anyone to assume I'm being defensive or that I dislike change since I designed this league (with rfs). Afterall, we've made many changes and tweaks since. Many of these ideas being presented have been discussed previously both public and private. Albeit, if the league as a whole feels strongly about change--then it's something we must look at. I am not opposed to it, but I am not sure it makes the league better with all the ramifications involved. But I've been outvoted before and have even voted for things I was initially either against or didn't feel strongly about.

468

Great One
ID: 54114918
Tue, Dec 15, 2009, 11:21

I think we all agree Week 17 isn't an option - I think the debate comes down to if 12 weeks would be enough of a regular season and if its worth it to open up the playoffs or stick with it being more exclusive.

And then secondly, if making the last wild card spot points based. After much though I am against the idea. If you deserve to be in the playoffs you'll show that over 24 (or 26) games. As Ref said this is a H2H league, not roto.

469

beastiemiked
ID: 35621411
Tue, Dec 15, 2009, 11:44

GO, good game.

470

Great One
ID: 54114918
Tue, Dec 15, 2009, 12:10

Did we set a record for most combined points in one matchup?

471

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Tue, Dec 15, 2009, 12:50

It definitely gets the most points in a game and still lose category.

472

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Dec 15, 2009, 13:05

Looks like we've got lots of stuff to consider off season -- will we do it as the real
playoffs are happening or next summer. I would vote to consider stuff now rather than
later...

Maybe we can highlight some key issues first then tweak.

For example:
playoffs to end week 16 (not week 17)
single vs doubleheaders
12 weeks vs 13 weeks
bye round for playoffs
H2H vs points for playoff spots
not to mention lineup and scoring tweaks...

I am impressed as to how carefully the schedule is prepared for us. It seems to try and
mimic the real NFL. Certainly, though, if you are in a weak division (see the real NFC west
and AFC East) your chances are better, but that's the way it goes. (nb. I would have liked
to see the Brady bunch try to go 16 and 0 playing Iggles, Dallas and Jints twice a
season...)

473

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Dec 15, 2009, 13:29

472: I am certainly open to discussiong things now, but history shows that we have had little success of discussing anything with a lot of input except right before the season starts. Even starting a month early was a bust a couple of seasons back.

At this point I can't fathmom ever using week 17 or going back to a single game week. The only way we'd go 12 week reg. season would be if the league decided they wanted more playoff teams...so those two go hand in hand. I also can't imagine we'd use points over record in the current format but it's possible I suppose.

As far as tweaks or rule changes go so far these have been mentioned to me privately.
1. Add another flex IDP to roster due to depth. That was brought up this past season and didn't have enough support to come to a vote.
2. Change INTs from 4 pts to 3 (since every INT also gets a PD too for a 5 point score). I think this one has merit. Slizz said he was going to propose this change but I had noticed it earlier too. I think it's very powerful too--but I think we have to decide whether or not we want DBs to be stronger or not. LBs get picks too. I'm leaning toward agreeing with Slizz on this if there is enough support to get it to a vote.

Scheduling has always been an issue. I used to do it myself and the Cards started helping me. It literally took several hours and it was doubly randomized with weeks 5 and 9 playing interconference. The SOS went to playing the teams who were the same place as you. Then when when we went to double weeks I was talking to Doug about how I did it and what I wanted and he actually coded a schedule for us. It actually came out even better than I imagined.

474

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Dec 15, 2009, 14:36

I think some of the topics I mentioned in 472 are no brainers:

YES = 13 weeks
YES = doubleheaders
YES = no week 17

But I wanted to get some ideas out so we had a sense of what was being bantered about...

475

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Tue, Dec 15, 2009, 19:11

We added one extra IDP flex spot already, I just don't remember when it was. The point about depth at IDP was raised prior to implementing IDP. The problem is there are just too many IDP close to each other and there is not enough separation between them. Here is a quick comparison between QB/RB/WR/TE and DL/LB/DB in the league to date:
offense
rnk ofpts dfpts d%o rnkchg rnkchg
001 282.9 151.5 054%
031 167.6 095.5 057% 115.3 056.0
061 128.5 087.0 068% 039.1 008.5
091 107.5 080.5 075% 021.0 006.5
121 085.5 074.0 087% 022.0 006.5
151 067.8 067.0 099% 017.7 007.0
181 059.5 062.0 104% 008.3 005.0

free agents
rnk 001-030 0 0
rnk 031-060 0 4
rnk 061-090 0 4
rnk 091-120 0 13
rnk 121-150 5 13
rnk 151-180 5 22

I added some leading 0's just to line up columns. The first table shows players ranked (30rank intervals) and there corresponding points for a QB,RB,WR,TE position vs a DL/LB/DB position. The % change shows the % the D points are worth relative to the offensive player. The rnkchg is the change in points between say rank 1 and rank 31 for each level.

Table 2 shows how many free agents are currently available within a given range of ranks for both offense and defense. No attempt was made to account for injuries or players no longer starting etc.

Basically what this shows to me is that IDP become more valuable relative to offense the farther down the ranking list you go. There are also more free agents available for IDP than for similar ranked offense, however, offense represents a need of 6 starting positions vs 5 for IDP. Adding a 6th IDP spot (144 total) would make the lowest starting IDP (#144) worth essentially the same as the #144 offensive player, however there would be more IDP to choose from and the fall off for backups would not be as great for IDP as for the 6th offensive position.

Don't know if that means we should add another IDP flex or not, but since I compiled it, here it is.

476

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Dec 15, 2009, 19:40

Franchise records/standings updated in the standings forum.

477

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Tue, Dec 15, 2009, 19:49

Add another IDP and think about getting rid of the D/ST.

Lower the point on an Int to compensate for the PD point added.

478

beastiemiked
ID: 35621411
Tue, Dec 15, 2009, 22:22

Can I still pick up players eventhough I lost?

479

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Dec 15, 2009, 23:11

477: It's just hard with a few teams with very good DSTs. Perhaps we look at discounting some of the DST scoring instead? I don't know but DST is a whole different animal.

478: yes you may since you are in the 8 playoff teams which is vying for placement.

480

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Wed, Dec 16, 2009, 11:30

There are a few consistantly good (and bad) D/ST's every year,
but most of them are a crapshoot from year to year.

If we are going to add another IDP, my thought was to possibly
just use all individual players on offense and defense.

Prior to IDP use, D/ST's were a good idea. Now they are just a
source of redundant scoring.

And I'd just as soon take a zero on their bye week than to trade
for a crappy one than risk a negative score and lose a player or a
pick to trade for one.

Just a thought.

481

Slizz
ID: 341022514
Wed, Dec 16, 2009, 12:23

re: 480 - agreed!

482

Doug
ID: 351027518
Wed, Dec 16, 2009, 12:32

478: however, you can't keep them next year

As for playoffs... pretty clearly the question boils down to (a) 13 week season w/4 teams per conf or (b) 12 week season w/5-6 teams per conf. If and only if we were to go with (b), then there's also a question of whether the last slot per conf should be based on points awarded. I don't think anyone's advocating for that change with only 4 teams per conf. I think we revisit this in the preseason, though I'm fine with continuing to discuss it now while people are active and engaged... then "thinking about it" over the offseason if that's the way to go.

As for +1 IDP, the way I look at it comparing points between O and D is pretty moot, it only factors into your decision to cover a bye or not. It's variation within a position that matters, or as StLCards put it, the "fall off" for that position. If every IDP scored between 100 and 102 points per game, offensive players would still be WAY more valuable despite their lower raw score totals because of greater variation/differentiation. But basically, looking at StLCards chart, if we add an IDP, I might be able my additional IDP slot might yield something like 80-something points on the high end and 70-ish points on the lower end... so basically about 1 fantasy point per regular season week difference. So this wouldn't have any dramatic effect on scoring (other than raising our raw totals about 6 fantasy points per team on average), but just one more opportunity for differentiation. *shrug* So I'd probably be in favor of +1 IDP, I like depth... but not a big deal to me.

I'd definitely be opposed to removing D/ST though... in particular I really like the yards allowed (in addition to points allowed) components... IDPs don't cover this aspect. I could however see an argument being made for removing the TD/sack/turnover elements from D/ST scoring, since those are at least somewhat duplicative with IDPs and returners... no strong feeling on that, but I certainly wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater by removing D/ST completely.

I'd support lowering INTs by 1 since they also count as a PD... didn't realize that before.

483

Slizz
ID: 341022514
Wed, Dec 16, 2009, 12:57

I could however see an argument being made for removing the TD/sack/turnover elements from D/ST scoring, since those are at least somewhat duplicative with IDPs and returners...

I would most certainly settle for that. While I don't think we will ever get enough support to get rid of the D/ST, I think that would be the most logical thing to do...

484

Toral
ID: 4155487
Wed, Dec 16, 2009, 14:46

At the moment changing INT scoring is the only thing looking interesting to me.

485

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Dec 16, 2009, 16:45

Despite the fact that the Jints DST tanked this year (minus 2.5 last week!) , I would still like to keep
the DST spot. If you remove the TD, Sack and TO points, we would all be in the negative each week
as opponents move the ball and score. Ya gotta have something positive for the DST and
that's TD's, TO's and Sacks.

If it is possible to do, I would like to consider the choice of putting an IDP in place of a DST on a
weekly basis. You could start 5 IDP + DST or 6 IDP. The program should be able to give you 0 or 1 for
the DST slot and 2 - 3 for the IDP flex slot. However, it might not be able to indicate an illegal lineup
if you cannot do the math yourself...

There are so few DST to be had in this league with only 8 left over, that you oughta be able to gamble
on an IDP beating out the DST in points. Even though they stink, I probably have to keeper the Jints
just to have a DST next year since there certainly won't be a decent one in the draft.

486

WTC Building 7
ID: 229152116
Wed, Dec 16, 2009, 17:07

DST......DST Rank....Draft Round

Saints.....4th.............4th

49ers......5th.............5th

Broncos....6th............7th

Bengals....8th............5th

There were some good DST picks in last years draft.

487

Great One
ID: 54114918
Wed, Dec 16, 2009, 18:43

I like Team Defense myself, the IDP's drive me nuts cause I can't grasp how to play the matchups. I never know - hey this DL will have a good week because... whereas a defense, I know what team they are playing and can judge value from that. And CBS is completely useless with its "projections" cause I honestly think they pull them out of their a$$.

488

coldwater coyotes
SuperDude
ID: 229272412
Thu, Dec 17, 2009, 13:56

can I pick up a player?

489

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Thu, Dec 17, 2009, 14:18

Only teams in the main playoff bracket can add/drop players now. All other teams are locked out.

490

coldwater coyotes
SuperDude
ID: 229272412
Thu, Dec 17, 2009, 15:01

I will carry Chris Henry to Heaven.

491

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Dec 17, 2009, 15:50

CBS will pull him out of the player pool at some point and he will vanish from your team. RIP CH.

492

Great One
ID: 54114918
Fri, Dec 18, 2009, 11:56

Avoided a big start from Addai to start the week so thats a bullet dodged. Now I am looking for Miles Austin to do well in what I hope will be a shootout vs. New Orleans.

Its weird to have had Addai his whole career and then now I finally reach the playoffs and I'm playing against the "Colts" with Addai.

493

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Dec 18, 2009, 14:13

Addai blows if he can't get in the end zone. I should have started Collie over him and actually thoguhta bout it.

494

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Dec 18, 2009, 14:19

I'm telling you--the guy sucks.

495

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Dec 18, 2009, 14:19

Forgot the smiley:

:)

496

Peter N.
ID: 4011521719
Fri, Dec 18, 2009, 14:28

Yeah, Addai has averaged 12.18 pts for Ref since he got him. Only 12.18!?!? He definitely sucks.

497

Great One
ID: 54114918
Fri, Dec 18, 2009, 15:14

Everybody has been down on Addai all year, and all he does is consistently produce double digits scores almost every week.

498

deepsnapper
Leader
ID: 017103420
Sat, Dec 19, 2009, 18:25

Addai sucked last year, I drafted him in the first round in RIFC, I should know how bad he was in 2008. No evidence of that this year though.

This year, he's

#4 overall in TD's with 12
#7 in reception yds for RBs
#15 in rushing yds for RBs.
#23 overall in YPG excluding QBs. (WR,RB,TE)

He'll probably keep this sucky pace up all the way to the Super Bowl unless San Diego spoils it.

I just want to know what happened last year. He's played like a #1 this year.

499

Doug
ID: 3630123
Sun, Dec 20, 2009, 10:32

Crap... forgot to do pick 'ems for the first time all season... may have just handed the win to Ref!

500

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Dec 20, 2009, 10:55

Re: Addai...yeah I think I was mistaken. He truly is a #1 RB. He is going to be great. Should be really easy to move him in the offseason to help my team rebuild.

499: ugh! I picked some "upset" picks in attempt to differentiate from you. I may have let you right back in. I hadn't even looked at it.

Not a good week for Austin to go nuts. Am definitely going to need soem guys to come up big for me.

501

Great One
ID: 510371919
Sun, Dec 20, 2009, 13:10

Austin has gone off more than not the last 10 weeks with 10 TD's and over a 1000 yards in that time. And he's averaged 18 the last four. Its funny, cause during the draft I offered him to everyone for just a late draft pick swap after picking him cause I was short on IDP's. Lucky nobody took me up on the offer.

While I think Miles Austin was a good value pick at this point thanks to Roy Williams injury, I would trade him for a couple lower picks in this current draft if anyone is looking for a WR.

502

judy
ID: 5321213
Sun, Dec 20, 2009, 14:33

Still need Revis 2 PD's to show up. They are there on MFL...

503

judy
ID: 5321213
Sun, Dec 20, 2009, 14:55

Ask and ye shall receive -- they just posted Revis #'s!

504

Promize
ID: 551462816
Sun, Dec 20, 2009, 15:01

Deepsnapper, not sure you know, but getting some odd emails from your account with some funky links. I haven't opened any of them.. But you might want to scan your computer.

Dirk
(promize)

505

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Dec 20, 2009, 15:19

There's really only one PD, judy.

:)

506

Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Dec 20, 2009, 15:32

Wow, Jerome Harrison with 213 yards, with most of a quarter to go.

507

judy
ID: 5321213
Sun, Dec 20, 2009, 15:44

Pd I saw (with my own eyes) 3 PD's. He touched 3 passes...

508

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Dec 20, 2009, 16:21

PD, I don't think she gets it. ;)

I have little chance to beat GO now.

509

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Dec 20, 2009, 16:23

Check that. In the minute it took me to post that, HIs QB threw a 60 yd TD and his usually deadbeat TE caught a TD pass. Talk about getting the breaks!!! My team needs some miracles now.

510

judy
ID: 5321213
Sun, Dec 20, 2009, 16:24

RE: DST points

When I got to live scoring about half way through the 1Q, the AZ DST had 30.5 points. They ended
at 8.5 points w/ 2 Sacks, 2 INT and 1 DFR in a 31-24 win.

They lost all the points on yardage and PA. Point subtractions for those are quite severe. What are
we expecting as a "normal" point count for DST? Maybe we need to think about that as we debate
the DST value.

511

judy
ID: 5321213
Sun, Dec 20, 2009, 16:24

Way to go D Jack and Don!

512

Great One
ID: 510371919
Sun, Dec 20, 2009, 16:39

In addition to nobody wanting Austin, I guess I'm alsoglad nobody would trade me a decent TE for a draft pick that would have had Heap on my bench this week.

513

judy
ID: 5321213
Sun, Dec 20, 2009, 16:46

Shoot -- I swapped out Mikell (lotsa missed TK last week) for Trotter (11 TK last week) and
Mikell has a coupla TK and now an INT already.

Aaah Fantasy Football...

514

judy
ID: 5321213
Sun, Dec 20, 2009, 19:32

Oh no, the dreaded Donovan kneel down if I lose by 0.3 I am NOT going to be happy. If I lose by
4.3 ( 2 INTS), I will also NOT be happy.

515

judy
ID: 5321213
Sun, Dec 20, 2009, 19:38

Well DS, it looks like it is AD AP vs Jints D.

Methinks you have the edge...

516

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Dec 20, 2009, 20:36

Great Game GO!!! No way anyone can stop that. 35 from and 21 from AJ. Man your trades were HUGE!

The thing about smoke and mirrors is that eventually something happens and you're found out. That was the case this week. Was hoping for a couple players to go off like GOs did but wasn't expecting it.

Some great games this week still ongoing...

517

Great One
ID: 54114918
Mon, Dec 21, 2009, 08:57

Thanks Ref, they did play well, its kind of weird to think that even if I didn't make those trades I still would have won this week. So now I kind of wish I had the #1 overall draft pick back lol... but I don't think I would have won last week without Andre (Cutler outscored Ben last week so that would been ok - but Andre outperformed Harvin due to his injury and Santonio on my bench) so I guess it was the difference in getting to this point.

518

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Mon, Dec 21, 2009, 22:23

WOW -- the Jints DST showed up for once.

Common guys -- keep the pressure on! Don't get sloppy like that Collin's pass and for
sure no GARBAGE TD's!!!

519

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Dec 21, 2009, 22:31

Well that TD really hurt you Judy--but then they miss the PAT!!! Was that blocked?!?! If so, that could be huge for you Judy! Officially it says kick failed--not blocked, but the back judge was signallying a deflection so I'd think it would be a block...we shall see.

520

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Dec 21, 2009, 22:56

WOW!!! That DTD might propel you to the Super Bowl!

521

judy
ID: 48642817
Mon, Dec 21, 2009, 23:20

They gotta stop stopping the clock!

522

judy
ID: 48642817
Mon, Dec 21, 2009, 23:35

This is killing me... 3:28 left -- no garbage please!!!!!!!!!!

523

judy
ID: 48642817
Mon, Dec 21, 2009, 23:36

Kneeldowns at last

hooray to me!

524

Great One
ID: 510371919
Tue, Dec 22, 2009, 00:42

Congrats Judy, making an Arizona type run with Arizona... those wacky defensive plays got me in the final in another league, so I was cheering right along with you.

Good luck this week. Its my 30th birthday weekend too, so hopefully that brings some extra luck along with it.

525

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Dec 22, 2009, 01:10

Grats GO and Judy!!!

526

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Dec 22, 2009, 01:35

Holy Sokes! I bet DS is kicking himself over his selection of Kickers this week. 16.5 point swing.

527

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Dec 22, 2009, 11:00

Super Bowl
Arizona Cardinals at New York Jets
3rd Place
Philadelphia Eagles at Indianapolis Colts
5th Place
Seattle Seahawks at San Diego Chargers
7th Place
Houston Texans at New Orleans Saints
Wannabe Bowl
Baltimore Ravens at San Francisco 49ers
Toilet Bowl
Cincinnati Bengals at Denver Broncos

528

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Dec 22, 2009, 12:12

Yeah --

DS, you left 64.16 on your bench; If you notice, there is not much left on my bench (9.2) -- my
"regulars" need to do all the work -- and to my great glee, they did just enough -- although the Jints
did step it up a bit and that was NICE!!

529

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Dec 22, 2009, 12:13

GO -- I hate to tell you that 30 is the beginning of the downslope, even if you are
not an NFL RB! teehee!

530

Toral
ID: 4155487
Tue, Dec 22, 2009, 12:50

Good luck, Judy! A win will be an appropropriate slap in the face to those who dumped on you for your trades, saying that they were dumb and too homer.

Whoever those people were. I actually don't remember now. Boy am I glad I am not like those dumb people ;)

Toral

531

deepsnapper
Leader
ID: 017103420
Tue, Dec 22, 2009, 15:18

Props to GO & Judy.

Yeah, I should have started Cromartie even with the Qust. tag. You just never know with kickers - Feely got 18 last week & Reed 7. but I should have danced with the guy who brought me (Cromartie) instead of Williams (11 pt swing). Now Westbrook is going to play this weekend. lol

It just justifies why my first move in joining the league was to change the name of my franschsie from the Redskins to Eagles.

Props again on the wins guy & gal. ;)

532

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Dec 22, 2009, 15:40

Want your team to be called the AZ Cardinals next season? I'd love to be called the Iggles!

(I did not start Cromartie in RIFC, but fortunately it did not hurt -- these Q and game time injuries
are killers! I am assuming the Dumervil's toe also bothered him -0.5 points c'mon man!)

I wonder how much they will use Westie next week. I am certain he will start and they will involve
him, but how much will he play? I have both him and Shady in RIFC contending for the 5/6 spot...

533

judy
ID: 5321213
Sun, Dec 27, 2009, 13:41

Let' see now:

C Johnson, M. Austin, S Holmes, A. Johnson, T. Heap
vs
R. Grant, T. Hightower, D, Henderson, D. Jackson, D. Keller

Doesn't seem fair does it? Makes me wonder how I got this far...

534

judy
ID: 5321213
Sun, Dec 27, 2009, 14:03

And the Jints DST is ... where today??? 17 pts to CAR???

535

judy
ID: 5321213
Sun, Dec 27, 2009, 14:47

and now 31 points to CAR? Will they break their season high of minus (-) 7.5 points for DST?

Looks that way.

Meanwhile, the Jets have 5 TD's (1 for QB, and 1 each for the other IOP starters.)

I don't think that D Jack and McNabb can overcome that...

Pitiful.

536

judy
ID: 5321213
Sun, Dec 27, 2009, 14:54

Heap scores...

White flag!!

I surrender!!

Nice job GO!

537

Great One
ID: 510371919
Mon, Dec 28, 2009, 01:17

Been at a wake all day so didn't get to enjoy any of this, but just checked in and looks like I got things done.

I did bench Jets D and start Cleveland which took some guts, so all that Jets fun wasn't enjoyed, but as a Jets fan I did enjoy it.

Looks like Heap was a difference maker again.

538

Great One
ID: 510371919
Mon, Dec 28, 2009, 01:24

But unfortunately being at a funeral home all day with no internet cost me a big $ league where I had Steve Jackson in my flex spot. Unless Adrian goes completely nuts tomorrow night (down 42 points but I have Sidney Rice + Adrian). I would have swapped in Collie for 12 points, and would be down 30 going into tomorrow instead. So either way, I just don't want to lose by less than 12 because that will really hurt.

539

deepsnapper
Leader
ID: 017103420
Mon, Dec 28, 2009, 07:58

Props to GO for winning the 2009 championship . I don't think the h2h between 2 IDP's will make up the 40 pt. difference. Also props to Judy for 2nd place in her 1st season in the league. Now all I need is AD to play like AD normally does and Favre to play nice with the coach and I can protect that 2.4 pt lead for 3rd over Ref. ;)

[504] Promise, I believe Yahoo has cleared up the hack on my deepsnapper account. I haven't been able to access my account for almost 2 weeks to change the password and they finally shut the account down last week and purged it. I had a pretty easy p/w so it may have been my fault.

No one should get anything from the Yahoo account as it's mainly used for sports reports & old contacts. I've moved almost all active teams to the Verizon.net IDs. I did return messages yesterday to those who'd replied about the weird messages. I did get a couple from people I hadn't heard from in years. lol

If anyone else gets one, please don't open the link and reply it back to me so I can turn it over to Yahoo.

ds

540

deepsnapper
Leader
ID: 017103420
Mon, Dec 28, 2009, 09:10

Eagles@Cowboys moved to 4:15 ET kickoff next Sunday announced here this AM. I wonder why they'd do that? ;)

541

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Mon, Dec 28, 2009, 11:33

Congrats to GO and the Jets.

The McNabb/ D Jack combo was slowed down a bit in the second half (as was the entire
Iggles offense) and was not enough to overcome your stellar collection of IOP's. At least it
became a bit more competitive -- for a while there I was down 70 points. The Jints DST
which won me the semifinal with 24 points, hurt me in this match up as they laid down and
just died with minus (!) 5.5 points. Ugly.

Ref -- thanks for the invitation to this league -- I had fun, although my final position is one
of pure dumb luck and my Iggles!

542

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Mon, Dec 28, 2009, 11:40

PLAYOFF LEAGUE

I set up a playoff league for RIFC folks through MFL in which each player gets used once
throughout. I've set it up with 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 PK and 1 DST. As far as I can tell, we can
have as many teams as we want. I set the scoring to match the RIFC set up.

Do we want any IDP's? I was thinking of 1 DL, 1 LB and 1 DB??? Chime in with thoughts. It might
make it too "messy".

If you want an invitation, my email is listed.

543

Great One
ID: 151111298
Tue, Dec 29, 2009, 09:11

So the other league... managed to get 42 points I needed from Adrian and Rice and stepped in the lead by 1, until AD fumbled in OT and took it back away. So doubly cruel, I should have won easily if not for the funeral... and then they found a way for me to miraculously be winning in OT - and then take it away. What a birthday!

544

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Dec 29, 2009, 10:18

Grats GO!!!

I am super busy again today but will post more later.

Also looks like there was a tie in pick-ems. After blwoing last week, I made up the point I needed to tie Doug at 206 after throwing out our low weeks of weeks 1-13. I will look over everything at a later time. Just made time to adjsut scoring and see who won pick-ems.

545

Great One
ID: 231143299
Tue, Dec 29, 2009, 10:43

I just noticed the "Power Poll" and it looks like I was able to sweep all the categories of that poll for a perfect 72 score which is awesome. Its not often most points wins the thing, or they do but have a crappy record to go with it. Pretty proud of that consistency.

546

Doug
ID: 351027518
Tue, Dec 29, 2009, 14:54

If only I had submitted a pick 'ems last week... even random selection would have yielded me a point at least! Doh!

547

mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Tue, Dec 29, 2009, 17:48

Congrats GO.

548

Peter N.
ID: 211162117
Tue, Dec 29, 2009, 19:12

Congrats GO! Impressive performance.

549

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Dec 30, 2009, 12:11

Super Bowl Winner: GO's Jets
2nd Judy's Cardinals
3rd DS' Eagles
4th Ref's Colts
5th mjd's Chargers
6th Promize's Seahawks
7th bmd's Texans
8th Toral's Saints

Wannabe Champ (9th place): StL's 49ers
Toilet Bowl Champ (17th Place): Coyote's Broncos
Reg Season Best Record: Ref's Colts

Pickems Final
1 (tie) Ref 206
1 (tie) Doug 206
3 CCR 200
4 YR 184

Will figure out base draft order and clear out ineligible keepers on playoff teams soon. Will also start working on franchise standings as well. It takes a LONG time to get the opponents H2H records done so that will be the last thing I work on.

550

Great One
ID: 391123011
Wed, Dec 30, 2009, 12:13

Thanks all. Miles Austin was probably the biggest key I think, taking me from a team with 3 good players which a lot of us have and deepening it to 5-6 good starters.

Also, being able to manage your team during the playoffs I thought was big too, since I was able to continue to work on things and make adjustments, plugging in Ganther one week when I needed every point. Picking up the Browns D for the Super Bowl, working in Hartley (or the ability to add any kicker at that time frankly) when Rackers came up lame and missed a week. It always seemed odd to me that we froze transactions during the playoffs and you just had to hope nobody got hurt. It seemed strange that we were changing the rules and basically playing an entirely different game for those 3 weeks.

Todd Heap deserves some credit too, after I tried to trade for a TE all season long to upgrade him, turns out he was all I needed with 4 TD's the last two weeks of the playoffs. Heck, he finished only 10 points behind Witten for the season lol... sometimes the luckiest trades are the ones that don't get done. And now I've still got a 1st round pick too which is what I was trying to sell.

551

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Wed, Dec 30, 2009, 12:57

You da man GO, congrats on a great season!

552

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Dec 31, 2009, 17:03

Have most of the records updated in our thread in the standings forum.

553

Slizz
ID: 341022514
Thu, Dec 31, 2009, 17:37

I'd like to send a belated congratulations to GO!

(without making anyone jealous I was on vacay in the Carribean and just got back :D )

Your team is gonna be a force for years to come!

554

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Dec 31, 2009, 19:52

Base Draft Order

1. Browns
2. Falcons
3. Bills
4. Rams
5. Bengals
6. Giants
7. Broncos
8. Chiefs
9. Bears
10. Ravens
11. Jaguars
12. Raiders
13. 49ers
14. Cowboys
15. Vikings
16. Packers
17. Saints
18. Texans
19. Seahawks
20. Chargers
21. Colts
22. Eagles
23. Cardinals
24. Jets

555

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Jan 01, 2010, 12:11

Went through and dropped all players acquired after end of reg. season.

Going to go game by game and figure out record vs. opponents and re-work recrod book so it's easier to follow. If you can think of any other records you might like to add, let me know.

Also, there were some rule changes/tweaks mentioned toward the end of the regular season. Let me know if you want to persue those now or wait.

As far as team openings go. We know we will need at least one new owner--maybe two. If we do have a vote now and it is close enough that a change (or additional owner since those teams might not even cast a vote) then I suggest we'd bring it back up when we have 24 owners who will be playing for sure. If there is opposition to a proposed rule change and we have a vote, tweaks require a majority to change while a major rule change requires 2/3 majority to change.

556

Action Figure
ID: 191051289
Sun, Jan 03, 2010, 21:06

I'd like to send a belated congratulations to GO!

I'd like to send even a later congratulations to Great One on a fine season.

Congratulations to Judy too. Very nice first season.

AF

557

Great One
ID: 5803069
Wed, Jan 06, 2010, 10:58

Thanks all.

I've got a bit of a logjam at WR and will be looking to trade Austin, Cotchery or Santonio this offseason. So if anyone is interested in coming after some of these guys let me know. I'd package 2 of them for 1 player, a good TE or perhaps a draft pick.

558

judy
ID: 9729212
Wed, Jan 06, 2010, 14:46

How high a draft pick are you looking at?

559

Great One
ID: 5803069
Wed, Jan 06, 2010, 15:03

I would guess it would have to be a 1st to consider a draft pick only, cause thats a player of comprable value. I have the 24th pick too, so I might look at packaging that along with one of those guys to get up into the top 5 or so.

560

judy
ID: 9729212
Wed, Jan 06, 2010, 17:18

The few players of value that I do have I need to keep!

561

judy
ID: 9729212
Wed, Jan 06, 2010, 17:18

Also, I am no help at all sitting at #23 for picking...

562

Great One
ID: 510371919
Wed, Jan 06, 2010, 20:26

Well for thinner teams, I think the 2-1 option would make more sense. Like I said before, I found my depth to be a huge asset since I was able to cover all byes for the most part and was able to absorb injuries and play matchups. But I'm not sure I can keep everyone right now.

563

Slizz
ID: 341022514
Sun, Jan 10, 2010, 02:33

2 for 1 is always the way to go in a league like this (GO & the Andre Johnson deal).

That or trading draft picks for fringe keepers (i.e. Ref & Fred Jackson/Brett Favre)

564

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Wed, Jan 20, 2010, 10:57

An email about payments to the winners will be coming soon.

565

Great One
ID: 46051211
Wed, Jan 20, 2010, 11:01

When does the story get updated on the home page of G24 CBS site? I want the legendary Jets run in print -- fantasy mirrors reality!

566

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Jan 21, 2010, 11:51

You can add a story or send me some quotes and I will write it up. I usually wiat until the winner sends me a pic of the trophy, but I can add that in later.

567

Great One
ID: 46051211
Mon, Jan 25, 2010, 10:09

Perhaps we can get Slizz to write it up, he likes that kind of stuff. He wrote up the summary for our work league when we made it into Esquire in the "worst loss in fantasy football history" article...

568

slizz
ID: 43133920
Tue, Apr 06, 2010, 21:26

just thought about it...Judy has a good problem at QB!

569

judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Apr 20, 2010, 22:55

Phew -- Iggles and Redskins have separate bye weeks as I have both McNabb and Kolb. They meet for
the monday nighter in DC in mid November -- now THAT will be interesting...

570

Great One
ID: 4841108
Tue, May 18, 2010, 12:00

Its been a tumultuous off season for my squad, everyone is either holding out, suspended and/or arrested (and subsequently traded).

Good lord.

571

Slizz
ID: 58617623
Wed, Jul 07, 2010, 00:18

well you got that championship...so it can't be all that bad :)

572

StLCards
Dude
ID: 31010716
Sat, Jul 10, 2010, 15:30

I renewed the site for 2010. Was able to take advantage of the early bird discount code for the $149.99 price. If anybody is starting a new league or knows of somebody starting one they can use this discount code to get 50% off. It only applies to new leagues. If anyone uses the referral code to start a new league it will give our league a significant rebate that will of course be passed along to the whole league. Feel free to pass the code around as you see fit.

http://cbssports.com/ref/398583221

573

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Jul 11, 2010, 17:23

bj21 will be unable to continue with his team. I've already had someone ask for a team.

We have not gone through to evaulate teams from last season before re-inviting, but if any of you are not coming back or know of someone who might be a good fit, let me know.

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