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- [330592710] Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 12:27
There are still a fair number of rationales to be turned in. Please use the draft thread for that.
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| | | 1 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 12:40
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First item of business:
Back in the the Fanball era, a complete lineup was necessary each time a roster was set or reset. You could not set your roster if you were missing a kicker, for example.
MFL allows us to set that. We can require a complete lineup, or allow a partial lineup.
I believe we allowed a partial lineup last year, although I don't recall if this was ever discussed. Partial lineups certainly add extra flexibility during the week when setting up your roster, since you can wait until later to fill a slot, if desired. In general, it seems that there would not be any scoring advantage to leaving a slot empty, since all slots are expected to score positive points. But there are some times that a "strategic" vacancy might be of benefit to a team. Here's one possibility:You have a narrow lead going into Monday night, and you have one or two players starting that night. You might want to leave those slots empty, just to avoid a potential negative result. This might especially be true for a team defense. (Of course, this would always be at risk of a late scoring correction.) I'm sure there are other possibilities. Remember, we are not talking about leaving a bye player in an active slot. We are talking about having no rostered played in one or more slots.
Does it seem OK to everyone to allow partial rosters? Are there other examples where a vacant slot might be strategic?
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| | | 2 | Bonka
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ID: 019742310
Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 13:12
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I think you should be required to have a full lineup. I'd rather see someone start a player on a bye because it's not worth dropping someone than just leaving a slot empty because they don't want to risk negative points. How fair is it if your opponent's defense scores negative points on Sunday afternoon, and so does yours, except you sat yours ONLY because they played Monday night and end up winning because of that? There's already enough randomness involved in fantasy football. I don't think it's right that people should get an added advantage because their guys play Monday night.
So yes, require a full lineup. And try to discourage people from starting players on byes, since it can really mess with the overall league standings/playoffs.
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| | | 3 | Frick
ID: 97321912
Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 13:29
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I'm ok with starting a D that is on a bye to avoid a negative score, even if an active D was available.
I don't like the idea of partial line-ups due it allows managers to horde players. We had a couple of managers not draft a K, mainly so they could draft a 5th, 6th or possibly 7th RB who might suddenly become valuable in case of injuries. We discussed shortening the bench in the pre-season. By allowing invalid rosters were are in essence allowing managers to lengthen the bench. DB and DL are essentially all replacement level after the top 3 DL and return specialist DBs. Do we want to allow managers to punt those positions and horde more players and make the WW an even more desolate landscape?
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| | | 4 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 13:36
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I don't think that anyone expects to go without a kicker once the season starts. They just decided to overdraft at other positions, with the expectation of taking a F/A kicker before week 1. IMO, it would be stupid to have no kicker just to have a deeper bench.
Let's hear from others.
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| | | 5 | Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Wed, Sep 01, 2010, 17:35
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What is the penalty for a partial lineup? No wins? no points? If so, that is severe punishment for a possible clerical error. A coaching snafu. I would vote against this situation happening, so I guess that would make me for impartial lineups.
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| | | 6 | Mötley Crüe
Dude
ID: 439372011
Thu, Sep 02, 2010, 23:04
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If an NFL team wants to let the QB kick field goals and not carry a real place kicker, I don't think there's any way to stop them. Let's apply the same standard to our league.
Is it really an added benefit to be holding a 7th RB in such a deep league as ours--a RB who's probably scoring next to no points--rather than picking up the 15th rated kicker, who can probably score you 6 ppg? I don't think that's a rationale move for anyone.
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| | | 7 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Fri, Sep 03, 2010, 08:42
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I enjoy not "restricting" a managers decisions too much. Lets leave some of this open to interpretation, as long as it's not flagrantly changing the rules.
I say... let a managers have an empty slot if he so wishes, also, bye week teams should be allowed to be roster-ed. Both scenarios w/o a points/wins penalty.
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| | | 8 | Frick
ID: 97321912
Fri, Sep 03, 2010, 09:02
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This would probably be more of an issue in a keeper league, where you might pick up a player with no value this year, but potentially much higher value the following year.
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| | | 9 | youngroman
Donor
ID: 02934823
Fri, Sep 03, 2010, 13:37
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the season hasn't started yet and my first player is already out for the season. Thanks Montario Hardesty. I hope you had a nice stay on my team.
at least I now know who I will drop to pick up a kicker.
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| | | 10 | Frick
ID: 97321912
Sun, Sep 05, 2010, 13:01
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Was there a post about when waivers were going to be run?
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| | | 11 | Bonka
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ID: 019742310
Sun, Sep 05, 2010, 13:07
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It was mentioned somewhere. You can also see when waivers are going to run on the Monthly League Calendar.
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| | | 12 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Sep 07, 2010, 10:49
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Preseason waivers were run last Saturday. During the season, they will run at noon on Wednesdays.
From now until each player's gametime freeze, players can be added or dropped as free agents.
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| | | 13 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Sep 07, 2010, 10:55
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I haven't really gotten much feedback on the partial lineup issue. A couple seem to prefer a requirement for complete lineups, while a couple seem to prefer allowing partial lineups.
Unless I hear from other managers supporting a complete lineup requirement, I'm going to allow partial lineups for this year. If we see that this is abused during the season, we can consider a change for next year. But for now, I'm assuming that most managers don't really care.
The strongest argument for requiring a complete lineup was made by Bonka in post 2. If you support that position, speak up now!
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| | | 14 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Sep 07, 2010, 11:06
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Actually, let's get a full vote on this. I set up a league poll at MFL, and made it required before you can set your lineup.
You can find the poll under the Communications menu item at the top (Communications -> League polls), or else you can go to the "Submit lineup" page to find the link.
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| | | 15 | Promize@Home
ID: 87451913
Tue, Sep 07, 2010, 20:28
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Sort of shocked this vote is so close....
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| | | 16 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Sep 08, 2010, 10:59
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Looks like I might have to decide this myself.
Regardless, I'm going to allow partial lineups through at least Thursday night, to make sure that every team can properly set players for the Min/NO game.
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| | | 17 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Sep 08, 2010, 16:53
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For a superb live scoring gameday program, I recommend:
MFL GameDay program
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| | | 18 | Smith32
ID: 406443112
Thu, Sep 09, 2010, 20:26
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I voted for allowing incomplete rosters. I think it is generally foolish to concede a spot, so if you are smart enough to devise a way to set an incomplete roster and have it benefit you more times than not, more power to you.
Re: [2] I don't think it's right that people should get an added advantage because their guys play Monday night. It cuts both ways when you have a MNF player whose injury status is uncertain and your Plan B plays Sunday at 1:00. Then you're penalized because your guy plays Monday night.
Also, our league uses total points to decide the last 2 playoff spots. So if somebody wants to give up an average of 10-12 pts by sitting their defense, we all gain ground on them for those last playoff spots.
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| | | 19 | Bonka
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ID: 019742310
Thu, Sep 09, 2010, 20:49
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Figures that the guy I decide to drop for a RB after Bush got injured scores the first TD of the season. I cut Sidney Rice last year after 1 or 2 weeks as well, hopefully this isn't a repeat.
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| | | 20 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Sep 10, 2010, 16:30
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Voting was close, but was 8-6 in favor of partial lineups.
We'll monitor this year to see if there are any unintended/unfavorable consequences, but for now, partial lineups will be allowed.
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| | | 21 | Electroman
ID: 10833614
Sun, Sep 12, 2010, 14:50
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Had to check the calender, the score in the Pats game looks like 2007.
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| | | 22 | Bonka
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ID: 019742310
Sun, Sep 12, 2010, 14:51
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Now that Stafford's been knocked out of the game, sure glad I started him over Young.
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| | | 23 | Electroman
ID: 10833614
Sun, Sep 12, 2010, 16:14
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Wow, Foster gashed the Colts D. Was it really that bad. They hardly threw the ball. That can't bode well in a division with great runners.
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| | | 24 | Frick
ID: 328271218
Sun, Sep 12, 2010, 19:27
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The Texans executed a great game plan to beat the Colts. Get an early lead, then run, run, run the ball. The Colts D was gassed in the first half. 9 total offensive plays in the Colts first 3 possessions didn't help. Most people are going to blame this loss on the Colt's D, but I'm putting in on the offense that was putrid for the majority of the first half and looked out of sync.
The Colt's D is built to defend against the pass. If the opposing team gets a two score game it is going to be a bad day for the Colts.
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| | | 25 | Electroman
ID: 10833614
Sun, Sep 12, 2010, 20:18
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How was that not a catch for Calvin Johnson? I don't understand that rule. From what I know, ball control, two feet down in the end zone, TD. I think if it wasn't a game winning catch, he does't drop it. He was getting up to celebrate. Weird.
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| | | 26 | Frick
ID: 328271218
Sun, Sep 12, 2010, 20:37
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I agree, that was a terrible call and I wouldn't be surprised to see the NFL say it was ruled incorrectly. Doesn't change the outcome of the game though.
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| | | 27 | Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Sun, Sep 12, 2010, 23:51
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The Lions got hosed.
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| | | 28 | slizz
ID: 568531223
Mon, Sep 13, 2010, 00:53
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hey now...rules are rules :)
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| | | 29 | Electroman
ID: 10833614
Mon, Sep 13, 2010, 05:58
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What is with the Dallas coaching staff? That is the main reason they will not win a SB or even play in it this year. Garrett calls bubble screens every second play it seems. Can't say I am sad to see how inept they looked last night.
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| | | 30 | Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Mon, Sep 13, 2010, 13:40
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They have some injuries in the offensive line and they thought Romo would not have time to throw a pass downfield.
They also punted from the 35. It went in the end zone. A 15 yard punt. That is Joe Theissmann like. Why would you not go for it?
The Lions have now lost 21 in a row on the road. They may lose 21 more in a row. That may be their best chance to win in awhile.
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| | | 32 | Bonka
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ID: 019742310
Mon, Sep 13, 2010, 16:34
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The call was right, that's how it's written in the rules. He lost control when it hit the ground. Sucks, because he had control the whole time until it hit the ground, but what can you do.
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| | | 33 | Frick
ID: 328271218
Tue, Sep 14, 2010, 08:07
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Tough loss this week for you Guru, I can offer solace that it wasn't the closest loss of the week.
.02 points is .5 return yards? So I lost by 1/2 of a return yard? I blame the officials for a bad spot in there somewhere.
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| | | 34 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Sep 14, 2010, 11:14
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Remember that waivers will be processed at noon on Wednesday. Free agent add/drops will start at 3pm Wednesday.
Waiver priorities are currently based on the reverse of the league standings.
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| | | 35 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Sep 14, 2010, 14:02
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Swell - it looks like my 2nd round pick is now out for the year (Grant), and my 3rd round pick was already out for half the year (at best).
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| | | 36 | Bonka
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ID: 019742310
Tue, Sep 14, 2010, 14:45
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Well, you're really fortunate that you drafted Jackson, so it's not the huge deal it would be otherwise.
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| | | 37 | Frick
ID: 328271218
Tue, Sep 14, 2010, 15:46
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And that is the value of handcuffs. I know that I took Javon Ringer earlier than most people, but Chris Johnson had 358 carries last year. He didn't cross the "370" mark that Football Outsiders uses, but he was awfully close to it. Jeff Fisher has built the Tennessee teams as running/defense teams. I don't see that changing if Johnson goes down for any length of time.
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| | | 39 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Sep 16, 2010, 10:50
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The extra sack for Clay Mathews means that instead of losing to Electroman by .38, I now lost by 3.38. Not quite as annoying.
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| | | 40 | Bonka
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ID: 019742310
Sun, Sep 19, 2010, 12:10
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Love game time decisions that play Sunday or Monday night. Can't risk starting Nicks but I'll probably end up watching him blow up again tonight in prime time.
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| | | 41 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Sun, Sep 19, 2010, 13:25
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The interception on Dallas' 1st possession is being called a fumble according to MFL so far. Hope they correct that soon.
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| | | 42 | Bonka
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ID: 019742310
Sun, Sep 19, 2010, 15:28
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Cool, glad my QBs have combined for negative points over 2 weeks.
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| | | 43 | Electroman
ID: 10833614
Sun, Sep 19, 2010, 17:22
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Now that the Vikings are 0-2, I wonder if they make a bigger push for V-Jax?
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| | | 44 | Bonka
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ID: 019742310
Sun, Sep 19, 2010, 17:33
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Maybe Favre will just retire instead.
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| | | 45 | Electroman
ID: 10833614
Sun, Sep 19, 2010, 17:38
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I was thinking the same thing also. He doesn't seem to be having fun.
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| | | 46 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Sep 19, 2010, 18:26
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As of this moment, Maurice Jones-Drew has more points from tackles than he does on offense. 3 tackles - all after turnovers.
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| | | 47 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Sun, Sep 19, 2010, 19:48
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Building7 with 113 points on the bench. Wow!
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| | | 48 | Frick
ID: 328271218
Mon, Sep 20, 2010, 09:19
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Looks like it will be an interesting night of fantasy football tonight. Several match-ups are close with some prime players tonight.
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| | | 49 | slizz
ID: 568531223
Mon, Sep 20, 2010, 10:09
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need P-Willy to get me 10 points!
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| | | 50 | Bonka
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ID: 019742310
Mon, Sep 20, 2010, 12:38
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Well, I guess the only positive thing I can take from this week is if I ever get points from my QB position, I should be in good shape...
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| | | 51 | Bonka
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ID: 019742310
Mon, Sep 20, 2010, 12:41
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Also, I just looked at the site and noticed the standings were updated for some reason. I've never seen that before, and it didn't happen in any of my other MFL leagues.
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| | | 52 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Sep 20, 2010, 23:51
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Willis is too beastly, knew I was toast when I only had a 10 point lead. Sucks.
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| | | 53 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Sep 21, 2010, 11:52
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Waiver priorities are typically set as the reverse of the standings order. However, this year, we have HTH record as the second tiebreaker for standings.
I noticed today that Short Bus is listed last in the standings, even though he has the most points of the five teams tied at 1-3. As it turns out, he ranks last due to HTH matchups. Of the five teams, Short Bus played no games against any of the other four teams, while the other four each have one win in HTH games against each other.
HTH makes sense for the fulls season standings, when schedules are balanced. It makes no sense after two weeks, however.
Therefore, I made an executive decision to base our weekly waiver priorities on the following ranking:
1. W-L record
2. Points for
3. HTH
This generates a better ranking for waiver priorities, even though it will not necessarily correspond with the reverse order of the posted standings.
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| | | 54 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Sep 21, 2010, 17:53
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Prior to last year, all dropped players were subject to a waiver claiming process. However, MFL could not support that functionality last year, so we simply applied a 24-hour freeze to dropped players, after which they were available first come, first served.
I noticed today that MFL now offers a separate waiver option for dropped players, so I'm going to activate that today, and see if it works. Any dropped player will be subject to a waiver claim "On a player-by-player basis, at 3am ET, 1 day after the player is dropped."
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| | | 55 | Promize@Home
ID: 87451913
Tue, Sep 21, 2010, 18:21
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So is the waiver wire currently listed on the site correct or do I need to add a few more players to my queue for the 1st round.
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| | | 56 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Sep 21, 2010, 19:52
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The current listing is correct. You (Promize) have the first claim.
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| | | 57 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Sep 22, 2010, 15:10
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Re: [54] I just checked to see if waiver claims could be processed on players who were dropped at noon today. They are now locked, but can find no way to place a claim (if I wanted to). So I guess I don't understand how that option works.
Anyone else know how this should work? Is there perhaps something else I need to set up?
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| | | 58 | Bonka
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ID: 019742310
Wed, Sep 22, 2010, 15:19
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I just logged in as commish and looked at the setup and changed the option from locking the players that are dropped til the next waiver period to locked for 1 day, but I can't put in a claim for guys that were dropped today. It may not be retroactive, so I'm going to drop a player now and see if it works. If not, I'll be adding that player back to my roster via commish since it's just a test.
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| | | 59 | Bonka
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ID: 019742310
Wed, Sep 22, 2010, 15:24
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Looking at other stuff, I think we need to add/change the waiver events and we can get it to work as wanted. Just gonna mess with options until I find something that works.
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| | | 60 | Bonka
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ID: 019742310
Wed, Sep 22, 2010, 15:30
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I added a waiver period weekly for locked players from 3pm Wednesday to 11pm Monday, I think that should cover everything. There was a warning about having a FCFS with the way waivers were set up before I added that, but they worked fine so far, so we can just ignore that.
Just have to get Redman back on my team for now.
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| | | 61 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Sep 22, 2010, 15:30
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Bonka, I think we may have been getting in each other's way a moment ago. But I think I have it set up correctly now.
Free agents can now be added through the "add free agent" link. Dropped players can be claimed via the "add player" link. Not particularly intuitive, but I think that's how it works.
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| | | 62 | Bonka
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ID: 019742310
Wed, Sep 22, 2010, 15:36
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Well, just added some random guy to my team, so the FCFS is currently working. Just have to check and make sure it also works next week. I deleted my drop and add, so things are back to the way they were.
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| | | 63 | Bonka
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ID: 019742310
Wed, Sep 22, 2010, 15:38
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Er, well...I deleted my drop and add but the random guy I picked up is still on my roster. I'll fix it later if it's still like this.
Just to be clear, I'll be removing Hamza Abdullah and adding Isaac Redman back.
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| | | 64 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Sep 22, 2010, 15:51
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Bonka - are you going to do that transaction via a locked player waiver? That would be a good test.
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| | | 65 | Bonka
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ID: 019742310
Wed, Sep 22, 2010, 16:07
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No, I'll swap them at some point today. Someone else could grab Redman in front of me through waivers. I may attempt to pick up a player that was dropped today though. I'll take care of it after I get done some stuff I need to do.
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| | | 66 | Bonka
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ID: 019742310
Wed, Sep 22, 2010, 17:20
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Alright, I got them swapped back to where they were before. Everything should be set up and ready to go, hopefully.
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| | | 67 | judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Sep 22, 2010, 18:20
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You guys let me know what is going on when you figure it out! OK?
And if you mess with AA#2, tell me what you did to make it work!!
Thanks.
Judy
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| | | 68 | judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Sep 22, 2010, 18:21
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I think their vocabulary for FA add is "FCFS Waivers". Esp since they tell you that locked players are not on the list.
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| | | 69 | judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Sep 22, 2010, 19:19
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All set - thanks BOnk
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| | | 70 | slizz
ID: 568531223
Wed, Sep 22, 2010, 23:52
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ok fellas! I need a Wide Receiver and have a surprisingly good stable of Runningbacks:
Ray Rice
Matt Forte
Darren McFadden
Donald Brown
email me if interested in dealing a WR for one.
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| | | 71 | Bonka
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ID: 019742310
Thu, Sep 23, 2010, 12:26
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Yeah, I'm guessing things weren't set up correctly. These players are still locked, and I have a claim in for one of them. They were supposed to unlock at noon, and it's 12:22 now. The waiver schedule I added won't work correctly, since I didn't think about it when setting it up. Basically, it lets you put the claims in but won't process until Monday night currently. Instead I guess we'd have to put in daily waiver claims for locked players that start at X time and end at X time the following day, and have that daily up until Monday.
You'll have to log on and process waivers manually in case anyone has claims in (like me) and then you can change the waiver schedule to what I mentioned and then it should hopefully be right.
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| | | 72 | Bonka
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ID: 019742310
Thu, Sep 23, 2010, 12:42
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I just realized that the locked players would have to be locked until the next waiver period with this setup rather than 1 day (I think). Since the waivers don't run at 12:00:00 exactly, they'd unlock at say 12:00:14 the following day, which wouldn't even place them in the correct waiver period.
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| | | 73 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Sep 23, 2010, 12:51
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I'm guessing that waivers might run at 3am tomorrow morning, since the following is checked in the setup: "On a player-by-player basis, at 3am ET, 1 days after the player is dropped. "
I thought that the processing might have taken place at 3am this morning, but maybe "1 day" means "at least 24 hours".
Let's see what happens tomorrow morning, and then, if needed, I'll process manually.
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| | | 74 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Thu, Sep 23, 2010, 14:01
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Doh, I didn't even look at that option page. Was that the option that was originally set? If so, that would explain things. Like you said though, still have to wait and see if they run.
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| | | 75 | Fugazi
ID: 20202323
Thu, Sep 23, 2010, 23:34
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I'm looking to trade for a WR and I'm not opposed to a second or even third tier one either. Please feel free to shoot me any offers.
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| | | 76 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Fri, Sep 24, 2010, 03:32
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The waiver request I had in ran at 3am, so it seems stuff is set up at least good enough to have it work for now. I'm not sure how it will act if someone puts in a request for a player dropped on Sunday before the games begin. Hopefully it wouldn't award the player at 3am Tuesday. We may not run in to this problem to find out, but if we do we can always just reverse the transaction and tweak the settings again.
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| | | 77 | Electroman
ID: 10833614
Sun, Sep 26, 2010, 15:32
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Well, I went with Walter over Williams, but not by much. Not even close in hind sight.
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| | | 78 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Sep 26, 2010, 19:54
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Eh, most likely I'll end up being the 2nd highest score and losing a game this week. Could be a real frustrating MNF game.
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| | | 79 | Smith32
ID: 168432620
Sun, Sep 26, 2010, 21:43
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Just bench Jennings. That will make it less frustrating. ;)
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| | | 80 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Sep 26, 2010, 23:39
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As a Dolphins fan it's bad enough the Jets score here to pretty much put the game away, but it just HAD to be LT. Give me a break.
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| | | 81 | Bonka
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ID: 019742310
Mon, Sep 27, 2010, 03:08
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Well, it's confirmed now that the waivers aren't 100% correct, like I figured. We'll have to cut the locked waiver requests off Sunday since the players apparently don't lock when their games begin (hence Bush was picked up). Only problem is if a player was dropped Saturday that plays Monday night, they won't be available to be picked up. I don't see a way around this except people posting requests for a player under this category if we decide to allow it, then awarding the player manually.
I won't make any changes or move the players back yet.
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| | | 82 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Sep 27, 2010, 12:15
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Yes, we should probably undo that move - as Bush should not have been eligible to be added after the New Orleans game was locked.
I assume that if we change the "locked player waivers" to end on Sunday morning, that is probably the best solution - although we will still need to monitor later in the season when Thursday games come into play.
Any dissenting opinions?
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| | | 83 | Letter_J
ID: 21740118
Mon, Sep 27, 2010, 12:47
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I knew Cotchery was playing at night, and Bush was scheduled to come off of waivers after 5...I wasn't sure that Bush would lock because of his health situation, so I decided to take the chance. What's weird is that the waivers didn't run until the middle of the night, rather than after 5 when Bush became available.
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| | | 84 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Sep 27, 2010, 14:08
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I'm not sure exactly when we need to end those waivers. If we end them 3am Sunday, I don't know if that would mean nobody will be awarded after that, or just that no claims can be put in after that, but any that are in the system will still run. Example would be someone puts a claim in for a player dropped on Saturday with locked player waivers ending at 3am Sunday. Does that player get awarded 3am Monday since the claim was put in during the waiver period, or will it ignore it since the waiver period is over? If it awards players after the period is over, this makes it pretty difficult to properly set waivers up and avoid improper pickups.
I think I'll contact MFL to try to figure this out.
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| | | 85 | judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Mon, Sep 27, 2010, 15:10
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keep me posted guys...
feel free to fix it if you can, just let me know what you did...
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| | | 86 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Sep 27, 2010, 15:42
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Well, after submitting a lengthy support ticket, all I got was:
You would have to end your locked players from being awarded to end on Sunday if you do not wish for these players to be available to be picked up.
I was hoping for a more technical response so I knew exactly how the scheduling worked, but oh well. I guess we can just cut the locked player waivers right after 3am Sunday to prevent people being picked up after their games start.
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| | | 87 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Sep 27, 2010, 15:47
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I did just edit the end of the locked waiver period to Sundays at 3:15am. This should hopefully take care of it, but I have a bad feeling that players may still be awarded at 3am Monday if a request is put in before the period ends. This also means that players dropped Saturday and play Monday cannot be picked up for their Monday game.
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| | | 88 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Mon, Sep 27, 2010, 18:29
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How long is a player in "waivers" after dropped anyway? I thought it was 48 hours (Maybe that was just with Fanball?)?
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| | | 89 | judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Mon, Sep 27, 2010, 18:42
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1 day, but using 3 am as the day, not exactly 24 hours like fanball.
Bonk -- did you guys fix mine?
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| | | 90 | slizz
ID: 568531223
Mon, Sep 27, 2010, 19:03
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ugh ray rice...what a mess.
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| | | 91 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Sep 27, 2010, 20:14
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Players are locked for 1 day after being dropped. However, locked player waivers aren't awarded until the 'next 3am' following their unlock time. So a player dropped Wednesday at noon would be awarded at 3am Friday if there's a request.
I'm hoping players without requests unlock when they're supposed to and are available to be picked up FCFS, but this might not be the case. I'll check it out this week to see. These waivers are really messy trying to set them up this way. I could probably set them up to be a little cleaner if we ditched the 3am thing, but who knows.
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| | | 92 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Sep 27, 2010, 20:15
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Also, Judy, I don't have access to your league, so I haven't done anything.
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| | | 93 | Letter_J
ID: 346433013
Mon, Sep 27, 2010, 20:28
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Trade Announcement:
Short Bus - letterj gave up Bradshaw, Ahmad NYG RB;Sims-Walker, Mike JAC WR
Promize gave up Johnson, Andre HOU WR
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| | | 94 | slizz
ID: 568531223
Mon, Sep 27, 2010, 23:52
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nice!
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| | | 95 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Tue, Sep 28, 2010, 01:23
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I'm going to reverse that Bush pickup now before waivers begin so people can put in proper requests for him, since he shouldn't have been able to be picked up.
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| | | 96 | Electroman
ID: 10833614
Tue, Sep 28, 2010, 04:14
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I went to be with the last thing I saw was Rodgers throwing a hail mary INT to Briggs, I was resolved that I was going to lose that game, and split this week. Nice surprise. The not so nice surprise is that I somehow moved my clock up one hour, so I got up one hour early for work.
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| | | 97 | Frick
ID: 42825248
Tue, Sep 28, 2010, 08:24
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I was watching the game last night, knowing I needed 12 points from Mason Crosby and Nick Barnett. It seemed like a reasonable expectation, but I knew it wasn't going to happen as I watched Crosby get a FG blocked and a Barnett INT get overturned by a roughing the passer penalty.
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| | | 98 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Tue, Sep 28, 2010, 14:28
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Had a slight problem with the waiver setup and people were still able to make free agent pickups despite waivers currently running. That's what my add/drop was for, to test that. I've added a no free agent pickup to run from 10pm Monday to noon Wednesday weekly and that should be what we need.
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| | | 99 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Sep 28, 2010, 15:06
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Shouldn't "No free agent moves" actually run until 3pm on Wednesday? (and not at noon).
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| | | 100 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Tue, Sep 28, 2010, 15:11
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Uh, yeah I guess so. You can edit the schedule and change it.
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| | | 101 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Sep 28, 2010, 19:43
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The trade in [93] is approved. However, I cannot process it until Promize releases a player.
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| | | 102 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 328392816
Wed, Sep 29, 2010, 00:12
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I'm ready to start considering trade offers for Michael Turner. I'm looking for some depth at RB and WR. I'm also willing to part with Flacco if anyone is interested.
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| | | 103 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Sep 29, 2010, 12:09
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Looks like the waiver priorities aren't rolling properly. Doesn't matter during the Wednesday noon process, but for dropped players, those picking up players should move back. I guess I'll have to do that manually, since I don't seen an automated option to accomplish it.
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| | | 104 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Sep 29, 2010, 12:17
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OK - priority order was manually reset. Going forward, I guess I'll just manually reset the priorities at the beginning of the week, and then use the season-long rolling function. After week 6 (when there is no longer a weekly reset), that'll require no extra work anyway.
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| | | 105 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Sep 30, 2010, 10:30
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Stat corrections were released this morning, and we had a game reversal.
Twilson got an extra 9 rushing yards from David Garrard (when a play previously scored as a rushing loss was reclassified as a sack). That was enough to eclipse Electroman by .06 points.
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| | | 106 | Electroman
ID: 10833614
Thu, Sep 30, 2010, 15:17
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Wow, that sucks.
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| | | 107 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Oct 03, 2010, 14:11
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Figured TO would finally do something after I bench him this week in 2 leagues. Lets go Hernandez...
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| | | 108 | Frick
ID: 42825248
Mon, Oct 04, 2010, 18:58
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It looks like there are a couple of games that will come down to the wire tonight.
I'm down 3 points to twilson. I have Anthony Fasano and Gary Guyton vs Ricky Williams
Against YoungRoman I'm down 1.8 points with Fasano and Guyton vs. Randy Moss and Yeremiah Bell.
I think I have a decent chance to go 1-1, but I won't be surprised to end up 0-2 for the 2nd week in a row.
Anyone else have close games going into tonight?
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| | | 109 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Oct 04, 2010, 19:39
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Both my games can go either way still, although one is a lot safer than the other. Hopefully I don't cost myself a win by having TO on the bench.
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| | | 110 | Electroman
ID: 10833614
Mon, Oct 04, 2010, 20:22
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Seems like I am going to go 1-1, unless some statistician comes up with a lot of points for IAC. I am not bitter at all about last week.
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| | | 111 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Oct 04, 2010, 22:53
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Man, Chung blocks a punt and a FG and I get nothing for it. Sigh.
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| | | 112 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Oct 04, 2010, 23:16
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Obviously Marshall has my best interest in mind by giving up on that route so Chung could run that back. Jesus.
2 weeks in a row I have to watch Miami get beat in prime time.
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| | | 113 | judy
ID: 48642817
Tue, Oct 05, 2010, 11:34
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{111}
we gotta fix that. I had chung in AAA2 and G24. I won all 4 games thanks to him!!!
If you get pts for FR, FF, INT, you outta get pts for BK!!!
Did we have then in AOL and forget to transfer over??
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| | | 114 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 05, 2010, 12:23
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My guess is that blocked kicks was not a scoring category for IDP under the Fanball/AOL system. We should remember to add it next year.
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| | | 115 | judy
ID: 9729212
Tue, Oct 05, 2010, 14:34
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I will be sure to remember it!! sigh.
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| | | 116 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Tue, Oct 05, 2010, 17:38
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Will consider moving Betts, Torain, Owens, and Tate. Looking for probably a 2 for 1 RB upgrade. Would maybe consider moving Young + one of those guys for a QB upgrade too.
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| | | 117 | Electroman
ID: 10833614
Tue, Oct 05, 2010, 18:10
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I support a lot of points for BK.
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| | | 118 | Electro from IAC's
Donor
ID: 01361448
Wed, Oct 06, 2010, 12:32
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The McGahee drop should be reversed. I had put a claim in for Massaquoi this weekend, but didn't get him, he was claimed by Letter J. I don't know why the claim was still there. Please reverse, in must me a MFL bug.
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| | | 119 | Frick
ID: 42825248
Wed, Oct 06, 2010, 16:59
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Aren't all of the players locked once their games start until Wednesday at noon?
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| | | 120 | Electroman
ID: 10833614
Wed, Oct 06, 2010, 18:21
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He was dropped on Friday or something. The waiver went through on Sunday 3am?
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| | | 121 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Oct 07, 2010, 11:09
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Massaquoi was dropped on Saturday evening. Dropped players are subject to waiver claims after a 24 hour lockout. So he would have been eligible for a Monday 3am claim - which was too late.
Surprising that the claim then rolled forward to the following period. I'll reverse it.
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| | | 122 | Electroman
ID: 3170417
Thu, Oct 07, 2010, 17:56
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Thanks.
The weird thing is that the claim was already processed, and awarded to another player. I can't understand why the claim was still in the system?
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| | | 123 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Fri, Oct 08, 2010, 15:39
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Betts is available for anyone needing a spot RB starter and possibly for another week or two. Up against a terrible Arizona defense (and Tampa Bay next week) since Pierre Thomas is out again after not practicing for 2 weeks and may be injured worse than the Saints are saying publicly. Looking for a quality LB.
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| | | 124 | Letter_J
ID: 21740118
Sat, Oct 09, 2010, 15:04
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Ben, I shot you a trade offer.
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| | | 125 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 11, 2010, 13:31
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2nd round pick- Ryan Grant: out for season in week 1
3rd round pick- Sidney Rice: out for at least half-season, announced shortly after drafting him
5th round pick- Jermichael Finley: injured at beginning of week 5, out for at least next 3 weeks
Not sure my team is going to be able to recover this year.
Hines Ward (4th round pick): be very afraid!
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| | | 126 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Oct 11, 2010, 14:40
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Bad year to draft most Packers it seems. They had a bunch of people hurt yesterday. I'm hoping Jennings can avoid the injury bug, not that it probably matters, the guy hardly gets thrown to.
I've been having injury problems in 3 money leagues, it's definitely frustrating.
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| | | 127 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 12, 2010, 11:47
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MC pointed out to me last weekend that NFL free agents were not listed for free agent pickups at MFL. That was unintentional, so I have now included them this week. Not sure that this would even be noticed, but if there was some unaffiliated player you were looking for previously, he might be available this week.
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| | | 128 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 12, 2010, 14:33
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Now that we have five weeks to evaluate, I'll start posting the weekly table of points by position by team. The top chart shows the average points per slot by position. The bottom chart shows the total points by position over or under the average for that position. Thus, while the top chart shows per-player averages, the bottom chart multiplies the differences by the number of slots per position, which appears in the top table.
For example, Bonka has been getting 11.8 pts on average for each WR. Since we start three WRs, and since the league average is 8.8 for a WR, he is realizing an extra 8.9 pts for his WR trio (11.8-8.8)*3 [subj to rounding]
For teams that start two tight ends, the WR data includes one TE for that week.
Let me know if anything looks out of whack. I'm using the same spreadsheet as last year, and I think I've put all the data in the right places.
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| | | 129 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Oct 13, 2010, 16:31
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Reminder: Next week (following the week #6 games), waiver priorities will reset for the final time in the regular season. From that point forward, priorities will only change as waiver claims are awarded and the receiving team moves to the bottom of the list.
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| | | 130 | Letter_J
ID: 21740118
Thu, Oct 14, 2010, 22:13
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There were some scoring adjustments from last week...I do not believe that they will make a difference in the outcome of any games, but they will affect total points. Not sure if they have been made in our league.
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| | | 132 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Sun, Oct 17, 2010, 11:05
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Interesting breakdown. After week 5, the QB/RB/WR positions where I invested most of the first half of my draft into, has had sporadic #s, and thus leaves me with a bellow avg rating... however, my IDPs, whom I didn't start drafting till mid-way through the 12th round have led the way for my team. Just backs up the idea that you can always find value on the wire for IDPs.
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| | | 133 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Oct 17, 2010, 17:19
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Figures, you post that and Gates leaves the game with an injury after doing nothing and my WRs combine for a pretty crappy day. Gonna be a rough week.
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| | | 134 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Oct 17, 2010, 22:23
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Really regretting swapping Torain out for Bush after McFadden was declared inactive. Was the smart move at the time at least. Might end up costing me both games.
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| | | 135 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Oct 18, 2010, 21:24
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This is ridiculous with my QBs being knocked out of games in multiple leagues this season. Stafford x2, Cutler x2, Gradkowski to replace Cutler x2, now Young. Doubt he gets back in, so that pretty much kills my chances of winning either game this week.
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| | | 136 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Oct 18, 2010, 23:29
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What an f'in joke. Lose because the Jaguars coaching staff are bunch of numb nuts and call timeouts down by 20 with under 2 minutes to go. Yeah, thanks a lot.
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| | | 137 | Electroman
ID: 10833614
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 20:07
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I would be in the market for a RB. I have some depth at QB if someone is looking for one. But would look at any offer if someone has one to move.
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| | | 138 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Tue, Oct 19, 2010, 23:27
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I'm also open to trading for a low end RB1. Can check the trade bait on the league site.
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| | | 139 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Oct 24, 2010, 14:44
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Oh hey, look, yet another QB knocked out of the game. This is just plain stupid at this point.
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| | | 140 | Letter_J
Leader
ID: 21740118
Sun, Oct 24, 2010, 16:15
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Re post 139,
Maybe there is wisdom in picking up QBs with offensive lines that can actually block...just sayin'
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| | | 141 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Oct 24, 2010, 16:29
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Um, yeah ok. So I guess the Titans have a bad offensive line then.
Glad Guru who has the 3rd lowest PF and hasn't scored over 134, lowest in the league, just blows up against me today, even gets a defensive TD at the end of the Titans game to rub it in. At least Smith32 is stuck with the same thing.
Just really getting tired of losing QBs mid game, cost me a game last week and yet to see this week. It also just kills my PF if it comes down to it for the playoffs.
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| | | 142 | Electroman
ID: 10833614
Sun, Oct 24, 2010, 19:28
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Well, using the Denver D this week backfired.
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| | | 143 | slizz
ID: 30921721
Sun, Oct 24, 2010, 21:17
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well...you could've started Forte instead of McFadden along with moving out Bess for McCluster at the last minute :)
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| | | 144 | slizz
ID: 30921721
Sun, Oct 24, 2010, 21:21
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for what its worth, I can trade anyone Dallas Clark on the cheap if you feel your roster is really thin and could use a keeper for next year.
I'm looking for a late round upgrade...not bad for a guy who should be picked in the 1st 6 rounds next year.
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| | | 146 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Sun, Oct 24, 2010, 21:41
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Keeper?! This aint a Keeper league.
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| | | 147 | Frick
ID: 42825248
Sun, Oct 24, 2010, 22:37
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I haven't like Brett Favre since he started crapping on Packer's fans. After most likely costing me a game this week, I loathe the man.
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| | | 148 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Oct 24, 2010, 22:40
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I need to stop losing when I score 150+, this will be twice now.
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| | | 149 | Frick
ID: 42825248
Sun, Oct 24, 2010, 23:16
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If I lose to Slizz because of Favre's INTs and pick-6 I won't feel to bad. It could have been a complete demolishing since he had McFadden on his bench.
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| | | 150 | Electroman
ID: 10833614
Sun, Oct 24, 2010, 23:32
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Quite the game. Looks like I need about 5 points for a win against Slizz. I hate that I have to root for a Cowboy for this.
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| | | 151 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Oct 24, 2010, 23:44
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I just hope Nicks doesn't put up enough points combined with Tuck to have beaten Guru since I sat him thanks to the MNF game and being questionable. It'd be even closer if Smith didn't get knocked out and Chung didn't miss most of his game.
Fantasy football....ahhhhhhhhh, more like nightmare football sometimes.
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| | | 152 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Oct 25, 2010, 21:19
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Nicks outscores Williams in just the 1st quarter. Didn't see that coming...lol.
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| | | 153 | Electroman
ID: 10833614
Mon, Oct 25, 2010, 22:05
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I get the feeling that the Romo injury is gonna put a hurt on me in trying to get the win.
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| | | 154 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Oct 25, 2010, 22:34
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Romo --out 8-10 weeks w/broken collarbone...
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| | | 155 | Electroman
ID: 10833614
Tue, Oct 26, 2010, 07:47
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Fantasy Football Karma is what I call it when you have a player you hate or on a team you hate and you count on for you to win. That is what happened last night.
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| | | 156 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 26, 2010, 10:15
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Updating the chart in post 128 through week #7:
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| | | 157 | Frick
ID: 42825248
Tue, Oct 26, 2010, 11:21
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I'm curious to see what the numbers look like at the end of the season. I went into the draft with the plan that my RBs would be weak, but my QB and WR spots would carry me. My WR's have been great, but QB not so much.
I've gotten very luck with my TE position. I took my first TE very late, after everyone else already had at least 1, and a number of managers already had a 2nd.
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| | | 158 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Tue, Oct 26, 2010, 13:26
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Time to see if Stafford was worth the pick. Would be nice to get competent QB production, or at least a few weeks without my QB leaving the game.
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| | | 159 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 108312919
Thu, Oct 28, 2010, 07:12
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Anyone else notice this stunning bit of foresight?
27. Building 7 Free Agent Move
* acquired Kitna, Jon DAL QB
* dropped Morrison, Kirk JAC LB
Sun Oct 24 7:59:48 a.m. CT 2010
I was stunned. Excellent move.
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| | | 160 | Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Thu, Oct 28, 2010, 09:16
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That is stunning..... What was I doing up at 7:59 on a Sunday morning. Actually, I was worried about the Giants defense and how they have been pounding QB's. Plus luck.
I lost my 3rd round pick two weeks ago and my 2nd round pick last week. I'm not liking the pattern developing here.
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| | | 161 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Thu, Oct 28, 2010, 15:38
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Yeah, after Romo got knocked out I went to the site to see who had him and saw Kitna right underneath him and thought...what the hell, lucky move there. Not very often QBs are handcuffed.
Got any lottery numbers I should play? :D
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| | | 162 | Frick
ID: 42825248
Sat, Oct 30, 2010, 18:11
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Is there a way to see when a player clears waivers? I was hoping to pick up a player, but only if I can do it before the start of games this week.
And if you are the only person to claim a player, do you go to the end of the waiver line?
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| | | 163 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sat, Oct 30, 2010, 18:33
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Yeah, if you use waivers at any time you lose your spot. Players don't clear waivers until 3am the day after they unlock.
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| | | 164 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 108312919
Sun, Oct 31, 2010, 10:40
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I'm stunned by something else, but this time it's the extent to which a player in this league appears to have made deliberate maneuvers to harm competition.
Last night between 9:01 and 9:09 PM ET, Electro Eagles picked up and dropped Jason Campbell, Kerry Collins, Troy Smith, and Derek Anderson. He wound up with none of them on his roster, but a DB instead. He didn't need any of those QB's; he already has Aaron Rodgers and Ryan Fitzpatrick. Perhaps he needs another backup QB to feel comfortable, but he wound up keeping none of the 4 he picked up last night.
It so happens that Electro Eagles are playing Mötley Crüe this week. My team has 2 QB's on bye and I picked up Tarvaris Jackson this week with the hope he might start this weekend for Minnesota. I hadn't added another QB yet for roster reasons, but the bottom line is that there should be several options available to me and any other manager at starting QB this morning. But there aren't because our league rules require players who have been waived to remain on waivers for at least 24 hours. So Anderson, Smith, Collins, and Campbell are all eliminated from the available player pool until the Wednesday waivers.
The obvious conclusion to draw from this situation is that Electroman realized that he was playing a team who potentially lacked a starting QB this week and decided to make legal transactions that created a significant disadvantage for my team (and possibly others'). When I saw these moves listed on the transactions list this morning, I was stunned at the dishonesty on display. Frankly, I am amazed that anyone thinks this kind of behavior is OK in this league, even if it is only one manager. This was a transparent and bush league maneuver and I move for an immediate amendment to the rules prohibiting it outright going forward.
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| | | 165 | Frick
ID: 42825248
Sun, Oct 31, 2010, 11:17
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Not not sure how to write a rule for that situation, but while it wasn't it wasn't illegal it is wrong.
If there was only 1 other starting QB earlier in the week I have a feeling you would have put in a claim for one earlier, but with 4 starting QBs in the FA pool, it seemed likely one would still be available on Sunday morning. I'm not sure if any other managers are in a similar position, but with so many byes this week it seems possible.
Unless the commissioner wants to step in, I don't think there is anything to be done, but that doesn't mean I like it, or think that it's ok.
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| | | 166 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 369553110
Sun, Oct 31, 2010, 11:56
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RULES should never be changed mid-season. It goes against the integrity of the league.
I do agree that Electro's moves were a little "tricky", but as a manager who is facing off against you, I think it's fair game to go about any manuvers that are deemed as legal in this league in order to gain an advantage... and that is exactly what he did. He now will set himself up to have a better shot at winning.
There are ways that you "could" have obtained a QB earlier in the week, but expecting to find a starting QB minutes before kickoff is a little naive IMHO.
I see this situation as fair game.
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| | | 167 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 108312919
Sun, Oct 31, 2010, 12:02
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And when a manager cycles through adds and drops of the top 50 IDP's each evening starting on Wednesday until Saturday night? How would you feel about that?
The point of the waiver rule is to allow valuable players who are dropped to go through a waiver assignment process if other teams want those players. Waivers are not your personal blocking device to insure your opponents don't have access to any good players or starters.
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| | | 168 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 108312919
Sun, Oct 31, 2010, 12:08
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And by the way, I'll start Tarvaris this week no matter what. I feel confident that he'll get a shot to play and that Troy Smith and Jason Campbell are inferior options even given that they will probably start for their teams. I'm not asking for any retroactive change here.
But I'm going to call out nonsense when I see it and there's no doubt in my mind about what Electroman did last night.
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| | | 169 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 369553110
Sun, Oct 31, 2010, 12:19
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MC even in those situations... you still have a shot of acquiring whoever you want through waiver-wire priorities. And... it's highly unlikely that someone would do that, who's got the time?
Part of the problem here, is that you got two QBs who are on bye. Electro drafted Rodgers in the first round... which may not be a "wise" move by my type of draft strategies, but he set himself up well for the year.
Also, people may complain... that "certain" managers HOARD RBs... but there has been no change in the rules change this situation either. I believe it to be a "strategy"... which I'm all for.
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| | | 170 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 369553110
Sun, Oct 31, 2010, 12:21
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Oh... and I definetly agree what Electro did... was indeed targeted at removing QBs to be eligle to be added to your roster specifically.
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| | | 171 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Oct 31, 2010, 12:22
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I agree that cycling through players solely to lock them to prevent other owners from picking them up isn't in the spirit of the rules. It is technically legal and is something to be addressed for next year, but like IAC said, I don't think it's something to be changed right now. Just keep in mind it's something that could happen and plan accordingly. Hopefully it doesn't happen again, or at least not in such an obvious way with multiple players.
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| | | 172 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Oct 31, 2010, 12:42
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Clearly - whether intentional or not - this type of activity is an abuse of the rules.
And while I tend to agree with IAC that rules should never be changed mid-season, I do think it's acceptable to amend rules when clear loopholes are identified and are being exploited that are contrary to the spirit and purpose of the rules.
Thus, I'm going to rule that - starting with week #9 (next week), any player that has been added since the prior freeze and then dropped on Saturday or later - at which time it would be too late to place a claim for that player - will be unlocked (and therefore available for F/A add) as soon as I am aware of the situation. I'll need to rely on everyone in the league to notify me if this happens. (If the dropped player is involved in a Thursday or Saturday game, I'll consider advancing the unlocking of that player as well.)
It's not a perfect solution, but I think it's better than having the current loophole exploited more and more flagrantly for the rest of the season.
I do realize that there may be occasions when an add/drop within the same week might be for other reasons - particularly if related to an injury. But even in that case, releasing the player back to free agency doesn't seem to be particularly problematic.
I'll entertain objections to the contrary, particularly if you have an alternative remedy to suggest.
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| | | 173 | Smith32
ID: 406443112
Sun, Oct 31, 2010, 12:45
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I'm in a league where if you add a player, you cannot drop him until after that week's games. That prevents situations like this one.
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| | | 174 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 369553110
Sun, Oct 31, 2010, 12:48
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I personally disagree with an amenment to the rules, as I've seen managers in the playoffs play a strategy very similar to the one just taken. We had no issues with it then, since so much was on the line, and everyone was paying attention more than usual to the matchups.
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| | | 175 | Electroman
ID: 10833614
Sun, Oct 31, 2010, 13:48
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As far as in-season hoarding, its a strategy. Position-hoarding managers make sacrifices in other areas. Its not some kind of unadulterated advantage. What reason is there for eliminating it?
This is what you posted in the getting started thread. You calling what I did bush league is because it happened to you, and you are upset. It is called strategy, like you refer to hoarding. I feel the same way about hoarders, I don't like it. It is so others can't have the player right. So how is what I did different? There was no rule against it, yet you call me bush league.
That being said, I apologize to the league for doing that. But to be called out by someone who hoards, I call that hypocritical.
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| | | 176 | Frick
ID: 42825248
Sun, Oct 31, 2010, 14:07
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I think there is a difference between picking up and keeping a player to prevent an opponent from being able to get them and cycling through free agents to lock other managers from being able to pick them up.
If Electro had picked up all of the players and used all of his bench for them, I think that would be a valid strategy. To exploit the processing of the MFL site is very different.
We might have a vote for the exact handling of this situation next year, but I have no problem with stopping the issue from the remainder of this year. If a manager had a team with good depth, would it be a valid strategy for that manager to write a script that would cycle every single FA through waivers? They would be at the bottom of the waiver order constantly, but what would it matter if you kept all of the other managers from getting the majority of free agents?
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| | | 177 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 108312919
Sun, Oct 31, 2010, 14:51
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Yeah, Electroman? What sacrifice did you make? An extra 6 minutes of your time to make sure nobody was able to get a potential QB starter?
I haven't looked at all of the rosters, but this move of yours might have affected more than just my team. It was cheap and uneccesary and I'm pretty sure that it was not possible before we used MFL. Fanball used to release those types of players back to the FA pool right away. You took advantage of a loophole we ignored when the game migrated to a new hosting site. You didn't use strategy or cleverness. At least when I hoard RB's I have to think a little bit about what happens with the rest of my roster. You lost nothing by pulling your little move last night except some goodwill and maybe a small shred of reputation. But what's that to you when you can try to force your opponent to take a 0 at QB? I mean, it makes you the favorite to win today, right? That's fine. Just don't pretend positional hoarding is in the same category as what you did. That's a laughable stretch. We've discussed and voted on position limits plenty of times over the years since RIFC started and it's never been implemented. Your trick was outlawed the first time you tried it. The difference is pretty obvious.
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| | | 178 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Oct 31, 2010, 15:00
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Just want to point out that this isn't MFLs fault or anything. You don't have to keep players locked after they're dropped, but it's an option that we use which I think wasn't possible on Fanball. So next year we could discuss dropping the lock period completely if people wanted. Normally it's not a problem though.
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| | | 179 | Electroman
ID: 3170417
Sun, Oct 31, 2010, 15:13
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So, I used something that was legal to the advantage my team, and disadvantage of an other team. Hoarding is something that is legal to the advantage of your team, and disadvantage of another. Yeah, it has been outlawed. I agree that I should not have been able to do what I did. But, I just find it funny that you think you are so above me on this.
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| | | 180 | Letter_J
ID: 369553110
Sun, Oct 31, 2010, 16:24
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I actually agree with what Electroman did and do not think it just benefitted just his team. Why you ask? Because I could very well be competing against everybody in this league for playoff spots (if it comes down to points for). If any manager can force a person to take a zero at a spot that can produce points like QB, I say all power to that manager for doing so. I would have been disappointed had Electroman not done so, given MC's precarious position in having Jackson starting and the news having broken that Favre was going to start and numerous starters were still out there on the waiver wire.
QB's aren't a dime a dozen, but if you drafted a QB early, it sucks that somebody that put themselves in a situation with multiple QB's that have the same bye, can then scour the waiver wire and have a shot at someone going off. Point in fact, Troy Smith put up 18 points today.
And I'm very disappointed that it has been outlawed without even a vote.
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| | | 181 | Frick
ID: 289253115
Sun, Oct 31, 2010, 16:25
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Legal or possible at MFL? And as was mentioned above, hordeing has a cost in roster spots.
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| | | 182 | Letter_J
ID: 369553110
Sun, Oct 31, 2010, 16:32
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Actually, I believe Fanball did/does the same...if players were dropped within a certain time frame of the Sunday games, those players could not be picked up.
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| | | 183 | Letter_J
ID: 369553110
Sun, Oct 31, 2010, 16:40
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Re post 178,
I don't think the lock period can be dropped...how else can waivers be processed without a lock period?
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| | | 184 | Electroman
ID: 3170417
Sun, Oct 31, 2010, 16:42
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If there was no rule against it, it is legal. So, I put myself in a better position to win by making a player on the opposing team get a zero. Is there a rule against competition in this league? It is being overblown IMO.
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| | | 185 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Oct 31, 2010, 16:51
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I'm talking about players being locked individually after being dropped. It's not required and can be set to any length.
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| | | 186 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Oct 31, 2010, 17:24
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I did not say that this was an illegal move. Maybe I have not noticed before, but I do not recall anyone obviously cycling through a number of players for the sole purpose of blocking anyone else from getting them. Frankly, I didn't know if MFL would keep those players locked. I don't recall if Fanball unlocked those players or not. I know that Yahoo does not put those players through waivers - at least in other sports.
Now that I know that MFL does not preclude this type of move, I think it is in the "best interests of the league" to attempt to prohibit this loophole. I do not believe it is fair to allow one manager to lock out multiple players from availability with only the cost some button clicking (and the temporary sacrifice of one rostered player).
I'm sensitive to the issue of changing a rule in the middle of a season. In this case, I do not believe I am changing any rule that a manager would have been relying on for ongoing strategic advantage. This is a special situation that was exploited to advantage this week, and it seems clear that, if allowed to expand unchecked, could undermine the operation of the league going forward.
If you want to block other teams from picking up a certain player for a given week, you can still add that player during the week, and then drop him just before gametime. At least that ties up a roster spot during the period the player was held. But I can think of no benefit to allowing a manager to use one roster spot as a means to lock out all other teams from as many free agents as he wants to cycle through. That's not a fundamental rule of the game. That's an untenable byproduct of exploitation of lockout rules that were put in place to attempt to give all managers equal access to all players.
This has no direct relationship to "hoarding". As pointed out above, hoarding players at a certain position has an opportunity cost of one roster spot for each player hoarded. "Lockout cycling" could conceivably "hoard" dozens of players at the opportunity cost of a single roster spot. That is what I am trying to prevent here - and I have trouble envisioning any argument as to why this is something that should not be prohibited. That's why I did not feel a need to call for a vote.
Please be clear that I am not calling out Electroman as a scofflaw on this. His tactic was legal this week. Next week, it's impact will be largely negated. I'm actually thanking him for dramatically pointing out a flaw in the application of existing rules that are contrary to the spirit of this league. If this had happened during the playoffs, it could have been much more contentious.
If some managers feel I have overreacted or overreached, they are entitled to that opinion. I'm quite comfortable in my own skin on this decision. In fact, I don't think that "do nothing" was really a viable alternative, given the risk of expanded exploitation.
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| | | 187 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Oct 31, 2010, 17:32
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[185] Bonka is right that we can change the lockout period. I don't think that we can make it shorter than a day, however - unless me make it zero (no lockout). And if we do that, then I do not believe we can run those players through waivers.
That's also a viable approach - simply allow all dropped players to be added FCFS. That would certainly negate the impact of cycling. That is an approach that we can consider next year. But that is not something I think we could rightfully change mid-season.
We run dropped players through a lockout/waiver period for a specific purpose. That purpose is to allow all managers equal access to a player. It is not to deny all managers any access to a player.
Perhaps a better "in between" posture would be to simply unlock all players as of some time shortly before gametime - say, Saturday morning, or Saturday afternoon, or even Sunday morning. I don't think we could implement that to occur automatically (although MFL is pretty complex and flexible in many regards - so maybe it is possible). In any event, we can discuss that next year.
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| | | 188 | judy
ID: 9729212
Sun, Oct 31, 2010, 17:39
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TO chime in: A few seasons ago, when I had an extra player I did not plan to use, I purposely picked up a WW starting QB so that my opponent would not have one for that week. I did keep him on my roster though until the game was played...
I have actually debated a few times this season about when to drop Player A to pick up a guy I wanted, knowing that if I dropped Player A at the right time, no one else could have him. That has been a strategy I have thought of.
It is somewhat similar (maybe?) to the SF Jints picking up Cody Ross to keep SD (and the Phillies as well) from having him. The difference is that SF kept him, but remember it is a 40 man roster in September. If he had not magically produced for SF in season, do you think that he would have been on their October roster???
Also, I work on my lineup and WW and FA drop adds beginning after the WW runs on Wednesday and if I need to make an important move, I make it then. I NEVER wait until the weekend for important roster moves.
We really need to make a calm decision as to whether this is a strategy we want to have available or whether we do not in RIFC. There are pros and cons to the decision. As currently set up, it is legal... and creative.
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| | | 189 | judy
ID: 9729212
Sun, Oct 31, 2010, 17:53
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FYI {188}was written before/as I read what Guru posted.
I support his decision to close the loophole and will monitor AAA#2 carefully. So far, we are good.
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| | | 190 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Oct 31, 2010, 18:24
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Actually, upon further thought, I'm going to amend my decision slightly.
I'll only force a dropped player to be unlocked if he is a multiple drop from the same roster slot.
In other words, if you pick up Player A on Wednesday, and drop him on Saturday night, that's OK.
But if you cycle through multiple players in that same slot and drop them, all subsequent drops will be subject to immediate unlock.
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| | | 191 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Oct 31, 2010, 18:36
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You can make the lockout less than a day as far as I know. You just have to enter it as a decimal. So .5 for 12 hours.
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| | | 192 | judy
ID: 9729212
Sun, Oct 31, 2010, 18:59
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Multiple = more than X # (how many -- see below) in a short time span (how long)? We should probably clarify that.
Limit "multiple" D/A to Friday before 11 pm? They would unlock at 3 am Sunday?? (Is that right?)
Other multiples mid week are OK?
EXAMPLES:
OK within a short time frame -- coupla hours:
Drop A
Add B
Drop B
Add C
This happens if further research finds B is an injured player -- or a better one (C) elsewhere.
Not OK within a short time frame -- coupla hours:
Drop A
Add B
Drop B
Add C
Drop C
Add D
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| | | 193 | Electroman
ID: 3170417
Sun, Oct 31, 2010, 19:27
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So Jackson actually outscored Rodgers this week in about 1/2 a quarter of play.
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| | | 194 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Oct 31, 2010, 22:02
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[192] I don't want to have to get too scientific here.
Any player dropped on a Saturday is going to be locked out. Any player dropped before Saturday should still be eligible for pickup. So perhaps the easiest guideline is that anytime a player is both added and dropped after Friday, the player should be released back into free agency immediately. In general, I'm only looking for players whose add/drop appears to serve no purpose other than to keep other managers from adding them.
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| | | 195 | TB
ID: 219152217
Mon, Nov 01, 2010, 12:20
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I had just brought this up earlier in the week in our RG14 keeper thread when I saw a manager in the AA league continue to drop players he had picked up this week. To me, the simple solution would be any player picked up and dropped on the same week does not cycle through the waiver process and just becomes a free agent. I don't know if MFL has that setting.
And I can't belive anyone is defending Electroman's action or hiding behind the word legal. It was a cut-throat move in a free (for guests to this site), fun league. Looking for loopholes in Guru's leagues is admirable. Exploiting them, rather than reporting them is despicable.
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| | | 196 | Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Mon, Nov 01, 2010, 14:06
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And I can't belive anyone is defending Electroman's action or hiding behind the word legal. It was a cut-throat move in a free (for guests to this site), fun league. Looking for loopholes in Guru's leagues is admirable. Exploiting them, rather than reporting them is despicable.
Agreed. I am also inserting an asterisk next to Electroman's record.
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| | | 197 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Nov 01, 2010, 14:21
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Well, he did lose this week. That stuff doesn't always work out. Same thing happens when trying to covertly tank games at the end of the year in a keeper/dynasty league and the guys you start outperform your normal starters.
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| | | 198 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Nov 01, 2010, 14:24
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Also, still in the market for a RB upgrade. I have 5 WRs in the top 24, so I can move one of them to get one. Suh is also available since the dude is just a nasty beast.
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| | | 199 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Mon, Nov 01, 2010, 20:01
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RE: 195/196
Can't agree with this. I think we only benefit from seeing something like this happen, is wondering, "why didn't I think of that before?". In a way, if had it worked in a more positive way, I think it was both a sound, and obviously LEGAL move (as Guru stated); the only reason to "asterisk" something is IF they did something ILLEGAL, which he obviously didn't.
I've heard people say that drafting a starting LB that was rated by Yahoo/MFL at DE was also trying to find a loopwhole... I think these are great things to discuss, and yes, potentially PLUG IF everyone is in agreement. Why exactly is the RIFC getting away from the democratic system of voting on something like this?
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| | | 200 | Electroman
ID: 10833614
Tue, Nov 02, 2010, 08:57
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Yeah, put the asterix next to the loss, saying I tried to win the game by doing something there was no rule against.
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| | | 201 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Tue, Nov 02, 2010, 17:04
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RE194: "In general, I'm only looking for players whose add/drop appears to serve no purpose other than to keep other managers from adding them."
I think it should be OK to add/drop a player with the intent of holding a player away from an opponent; however, using the same slot to do it for multiple players does seem a little over the top.
ie: If a managers grabs two IDP's on a Friday, then drops them prior to kickoff on Sunday, and replaces them with anything... I'd be OK with voting on something like that.
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| | | 203 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Nov 02, 2010, 19:32
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[201} My comments in 194 should be taken in the context of my comments in 190.
If someone uses two roster spots to take two IDPs on Friday and drops them on Sunday just before kickoff, I'm OK with that. But if he uses only one spot to do an add/drop/add/drop transaction, thereby locking up two players using only one roster spot, that's what I'm trying to offset.
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| | | 204 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 108312919
Tue, Nov 02, 2010, 20:48
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Dear Managers that think it's OK to cheat the software settings on our fantasy football league,
If the league rules are not amended to outlaw the Electroman Maneuver, I will personally log in every Wednesday afternoon at 3 and every Friday night at 2 AM and cyclically add/drop the top 50 available FA's on both offense and defense. This will cause the entire league to have no access to any good FA's unless claimed via waivers. Perhaps another manager with more programming skill than I have will choose to create a software script that will cycle through every FA in a matter of moments, thereby nullifying the player pool altogether. If you think no one has the time for this, I assure you that you are wrong.
Sincerely,
MC
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| | | 205 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Tue, Nov 02, 2010, 21:47
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It's one thing to have your voice heard... but I think your taking this a little far MC. Guru already decided to go against putting this even to a vote, and corrected "the situation".
FYI - I think you've always been a "character competitor" over the years, and solid contributor... but what's with all this whining and now "threats"? Just leave it alone, and let's move on.
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| | | 206 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 108312919
Tue, Nov 02, 2010, 22:11
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You still don't get it, IAC. Leaving a loophole like that in place not only invites managers to behave that way, it demands that they do so. There's no reasonable place to draw a line in the sand on this issue. It's either allowed and Free Agency essentially gets shut down, or it's not allowed and we go back to playing the game the way we have for the better part of a decade. If you leave the loophole open, every manager who wants to win truly ought to waive as many players as he can whenever possible to ensure his opponents are either unable to acquire those players or must sacrifice waiver position to do so.
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| | | 207 | judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Nov 03, 2010, 00:13
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I think the philosophy and reputation of the RIFC as fair and competitive leagues honoring the expertise of the managers does require that moves be made somewhat similar to what the real NFL folks do. That said, they do not cycle through a single roster spot to lock players.
In hindsight (as per my other posts), I would object to that -- using one roster slot for the (apparent) purpose of locking up free agents from being picked up by other managers. This interpretation (203) makes it very easy to enforce. It does require that the commish be available on Sunday mornings and that might not be possible... in some cases.
I would also encourage folks with obvious roster shortage issues to correct them (add the necessary players) long before the weekend -- to be sure you are not shut out. Anybody remember when AOL would crash between 12:30 and 1:00 pm Sundays on a regular basis??? What a mess THAT was!
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| | | 208 | judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Nov 03, 2010, 00:35
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Great -- I have 2 QB's neither of whom may play much more this season -- Kolb and McNabb...
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| | | 209 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Thu, Nov 04, 2010, 08:51
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RE 206: "You still don't get it, IAC. Leaving a loophole like that in place not only invites managers to behave that way, it demands that they do so."
If that's really how you feel... then why did you get so upset? If you understand the "temptation" to do such a move, then why be so accusatory to Electro? In fact, your stance right now, isn't all that different than mine a few days ago, which I was singled out for supporting.
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| | | 210 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Thu, Nov 04, 2010, 09:54
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I don't remember a race for the playoffs ever being so close, with 4 weeks of the regular season remaining, it's still anybodies game; and I don't think anyone has even separated themselves enough to consider themselves a "lock" either.
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| | | 211 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Thu, Nov 04, 2010, 09:54
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ERRR... bad math, make that 5 weeks.
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| | | 212 | Frick
ID: 42825248
Thu, Nov 04, 2010, 09:57
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I was thinking the same thing after this weeks games. I thought I was in a decent position, but an 0-2 week with 80 points scored removed that thought quickly. Considering the top 6 by record get in and the last two spots are total points we are going to have a number of teams still in the hunt. I guess that just shows the competitiveness of the league.
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| | | 214 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Thu, Nov 04, 2010, 14:09
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Where is Smith32? Sent him an email about a possible trade on Tuesday and still no reply. I would think people check their email once a day at least?
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| | | 215 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 108312919
Fri, Nov 05, 2010, 20:42
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Guru, is the trade deadline November 9? The "Getting Started" thread lists that date. I was surprised to see that--it seems so soon. But here we are.
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| | | 216 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Fri, Nov 05, 2010, 20:58
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Should be the 11th since that's the start of week 10 games. Would be nice if people checked their emails/the league site more often. Hard to get stuff done when it sometimes takes over a day to even get a reply to initial offers.
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| | | 217 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Nov 06, 2010, 12:22
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Hmmm...
My recollection was that it was the week after the last bye week, which would be November 18 (or thereabouts). Let me look into it.
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| | | 218 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Nov 06, 2010, 12:27
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The trade deadline is November 19 at 11:45pm ET. MFL is (and has been) coded correctly. The date listed in the "getting started" thread was copied from several years ago, no doubt when the NFL schedule started a week earlier (or when bye weeks were completed earlier.)
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| | | 219 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sat, Nov 06, 2010, 14:12
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Well, hopefully people actually check their emails next week. Sending trade offers out that don't even get responded to in time is lame. If you can't check in once a day, why play?
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| | | 220 | Smith32
ID: 168432620
Sun, Nov 07, 2010, 11:09
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The nice part of fantasy football is that it is a weekly thing, not a daily thing. You emailed me on Wednesday, and I replied on Friday, which I think is reasonable. There is no need to call me out on the message board. Some of us focus on our careers during the week and our free fantasy football leagues on the weekend.
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| | | 221 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Sun, Nov 07, 2010, 11:26
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Agreed. I stopped playing baseball because it was too "daily", and I no longer had a desk job. Thus why I find football so great, if I can check in early in the week, that's great; but having the option of only needing to show up on Sundays is a BIG BIG bonus. Love this game.
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| | | 222 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Nov 07, 2010, 12:24
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I wasn't directing my last post at you, Smith32. Twilson was the one who didn't respond at all, and he also hasn't set a lineup this week yet. He has 5 players on bye or injured still in his lineup. I also had a trade proposed to him that included players he could start this week at positions he was weak at, but too late now.
Regardless, how do people not check their email at least once a day? I don't get it. It's not asking very much.
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| | | 223 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Sun, Nov 07, 2010, 12:56
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"Regardless, how do people not check their email at least once a day?"
It's not draft season... so nothing is "required" of the managers in responding to trades in a "timely" fashion.
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| | | 224 | Electroman
ID: 10833614
Sun, Nov 07, 2010, 14:26
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I don't think it is a timely thing, it is just a response. If you are not interested, you should at least reject, not let the trade disolve so to say by the deadline.
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| | | 225 | Electroman
ID: 10833614
Sun, Nov 07, 2010, 17:47
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Eagles are getting hosed by the NFL this game. A reception not reversed because they have no idea what a reception is anymore, and because the don't realize that the football is a contact sport. The aftermath of the hit was terrible, but it was not a defenseless receiver. Both led to Td's when the first should have been 4th down, and the second a fumble.
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| | | 226 | Frick
ID: 21016718
Sun, Nov 07, 2010, 19:16
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I'm a Colts fan and my initial reaction to the hit was that it shouldn't have been a flag.
As for the rest of the game? The officials have been atrocious both ways. The official right didn't call a blatant block in the back right in front of him, but an official 20 yards away did. The Vick touchdown wasn't a TD and the official who called it had no view of the play.
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| | | 227 | Frick
ID: 21016718
Sun, Nov 07, 2010, 19:31
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OK, I retract my previous statement. The blow to a helmet head was ridiculous.
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| | | 228 | Electroman
ID: 10833614
Sun, Nov 07, 2010, 19:36
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A third thing burns the Eagles in this game. It is a rule, but ridiculous, the hand goes across the back of the head, trying to swat the ball, which he does, and causes a fumble. PF, which results in a TD, instead of basically a nail in the game. Stupid, stupid stupid. This game will be a case study on how not to call a game.
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| | | 229 | Electroman
ID: 10833614
Sun, Nov 07, 2010, 19:49
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the refs must be breathing a sigh of relief that the Eagles won. They would have needed a heavy police escort.
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| | | 230 | money4later
ID: 2111213116
Sun, Nov 07, 2010, 19:51
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S. Janikowski kicked a 96-yard field goal
I knew he had a heck of a leg, but Yahoo may be giving him too much credit. LOL
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| | | 231 | slizz
ID: 381020719
Sun, Nov 07, 2010, 20:20
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yeah...i saw. that along with the collie hit were a little ticky tack. eagles played better and deserved that game.
how about the raiders game though...wow! jacoby ford singlehandedly took that one over.
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| | | 233 | Electroman
ID: 10833614
Sun, Nov 07, 2010, 20:22
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When was the last time a Chiefs/Raiders rivalry game meant so much to the standings?
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| | | 234 | slizz
ID: 381020719
Sun, Nov 07, 2010, 20:38
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Think about it...if Janikowski didn't singlehandedly blow the Cardinals game, you'd be saying "1st place Raiders at 6-3"
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| | | 235 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Tue, Nov 09, 2010, 10:46
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Figures, get Stafford for 2 good games and there he goes, probably for the season. Just fed up with QB injuries across multiple leagues this year.
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| | | 236 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Nov 10, 2010, 16:07
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FYI - The reason I temporarily enabled my commissioner add/drop abilities a moment ago was to make a requested transaction for slizz, who was at work and unable to access the site directly.
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| | | 237 | slizz
ID: 30921721
Wed, Nov 10, 2010, 22:00
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Thanks Guru!!!
I dk how my team is doing it...I'd feel better about my chances if I went with Rivers over Brady...lol
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| | | 238 | Letter_J
ID: 369553110
Sat, Nov 13, 2010, 09:17
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Trade Announcement:
Short Bus gave up Cushing, Brian HOU LB
Bonka gave up Bishop, Desmond GBP LB
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| | | 239 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sat, Nov 13, 2010, 12:18
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One more on the league site now too. Thank you bye weeks and DJ Williams. #@$)#$
Both of these will go through in time for tomorrow's games by the way. I'll put them through if Guru happens to not be around after they hit the 24 hour mark.
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| | | 240 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Nov 13, 2010, 12:24
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Another trade-
Bonka gave up: Hawk, A.J. GBP LB
Slizz gave up: Woodley, LaMarr PIT LB
Assuming that there are insufficient protests to push either trade to a vote, I'll process [238] tomorrow morning, and the other one by early afternoon. The only active player in the second trade is Woodley, whose game is not until Sunday night, so I assume that timing will allow Bonka to get him in his lineup, if desired.
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| | | 241 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Nov 13, 2010, 12:25
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[239] Bonka, be my guest, if you beat me to the punch
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| | | 242 | Electroman
ID: 3170417
Sat, Nov 13, 2010, 12:43
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Bonka, GB bye week hit you hard, or you know something about the defense that we are not privy to.
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| | | 243 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sat, Nov 13, 2010, 12:53
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Well, byes and not wanting to drop people plus DJ Williams DUI situation put me in a pinch I didn't like. I could easily end up with the short end on one of those trades but what can you do. Always a bit exciting to trade regardless, especially since they're so rare here. Plus the rate that GB loses defensive players this year, maybe I sold those guys just in time.
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| | | 244 | Letter_J
ID: 369553110
Sat, Nov 13, 2010, 14:38
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Guru,not that it's a big deal...but as per our earlier e-mails, my name does not register correctly
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| | | 245 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Nov 13, 2010, 17:30
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[244] I just updated the GuruPatron database to reflect your current ID (369553110), so it should work now. If your ID changes (or if you are using a different computer), you'll need to reset your ID.
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| | | 246 | Electroman
ID: 10833614
Sun, Nov 14, 2010, 13:34
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Twilson drops Hayden a few minutes before the game, and he thanks him by taking a pick back for a TD. I'm not gonna complain, I'm playing him this week.
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| | | 247 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Sun, Nov 14, 2010, 14:26
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Oh my word... Pennington goes down in the FIRST quarter of the game... his first game back, unbelievable... unfreaking believable!!!
Trivia
(Who do I sound like?)
;)
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| | | 248 | Electroman
ID: 10833614
Sun, Nov 14, 2010, 14:32
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I'll take "Which quaterback injury is Bonka complaining about this week" for 200$ Alex.
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| | | 249 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Sun, Nov 14, 2010, 14:39
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ding ding ding... BIG BIG winner!
Alex Trebek: Let's just go to Final Jeopardy, shall we? The category is; I can't believe this, the Final Jeopardy category is 'Famous Mothers'.
Sean Connery: Hah, Hah, Hah; My day has finally come, Trebek.
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| | | 250 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Nov 14, 2010, 14:40
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I'll gladly swap my QB problems with someone else and they can complain about them instead.
Sure hope Spiller gets back in the game...
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| | | 251 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Sun, Nov 14, 2010, 14:45
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Sean Connery: Knock, knock.
Alex Trebek: Who's there?
Sean Connery: Me, the guy who slept with your mother last night!
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| | | 252 | Electroman
ID: 10833614
Sun, Nov 14, 2010, 14:45
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Please don't tell me you have Pennington
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| | | 253 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Sun, Nov 14, 2010, 14:56
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I got him in two leagues. I'm not overly worried however.
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| | | 254 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Nov 14, 2010, 15:15
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Yup, Spiller out for the game. Can tell this is going to be an awful week. Could be the beginning of the end.
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| | | 255 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Nov 14, 2010, 16:04
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Nice, and Thomas gets a cheap TD to burn me more. Unreal.
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| | | 256 | Electroman
ID: 3170417
Sun, Nov 14, 2010, 17:56
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I get the feeling that this is going to be an 0-2 week. Fitzpatrick has been putting up nice #'s, and I saw that he was playing against the Lions, so I expected the same.
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| | | 257 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Sun, Nov 14, 2010, 19:23
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Well there goes my scoring average.
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| | | 258 | Letter_J
Leader
ID: 369553110
Sun, Nov 14, 2010, 19:36
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[252] Not worried IAC?
It's being reported both Henne and Pennington are gone for the season.
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| | | 259 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Sun, Nov 14, 2010, 23:52
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UNBELIEVABLE!!!
jk jk
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| | | 260 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Nov 15, 2010, 15:12
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Still looking to trade a WR for a RB despite it being next to impossible.
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| | | 261 | slizz
ID: 1710161519
Mon, Nov 15, 2010, 20:30
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Jennings for Forte...Its gonna be the best deal you can get!
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| | | 262 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Mon, Nov 15, 2010, 20:43
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That D-Jax/Vick combo is looking more and more dangerous every-time I see it.
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| | | 263 | Electroman
ID: 10833614
Mon, Nov 15, 2010, 20:44
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The two teams I am playing have 6 players playing, 4 Eagles. Hard not to root for them.
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| | | 264 | Electroman
ID: 10833614
Mon, Nov 15, 2010, 21:09
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21 points in 10 minutes x 6 = 126 points???
Seriously, watching the Eagles last week and at the beginging of this game, who is better in the NFC?
They beat the Falcons. Giants have a terrible coach and always fade in the second half. New Orleans hasn't really shown they are as dominant as last year. Bucs may be too young. Green Bay has a lot of injuries and the Bears, well who knows what they will be like from week to week.
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| | | 265 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Mon, Nov 15, 2010, 21:31
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35 and counting... seconds into the 2nd Q. Glad I got the Eagles D, and not the DeadSkins.
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| | | 266 | slizz
ID: 1710161519
Mon, Nov 15, 2010, 22:36
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Electro - I can say with 100% confidence that the Bears are frauds! Only good thing we got going for us is Forte...the o-line stinks, Cutler is a clueless jackoff, and our #1 is Johnny Knox...thats all you need to know about them.
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| | | 267 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Nov 15, 2010, 23:21
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Forte is not good. Sorry.
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| | | 268 | Frick
ID: 21016718
Tue, Nov 16, 2010, 08:38
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What is the lowest ranked team that's made it into the play-offs in the RIFC? I'm thinking Electro has a chance at the record since he is currently 13th in points, but would grab one last spots based on total points. While the top 5 teams have separated themselves a bit, there is a huge dog pile for the last spots. Since the last two spots are based on total points, there are 6 teams within about 20 points for the last spot. And while Guru is in 6th, he is right in the middle of the scrum based on points. At this point, Electro probably has the greatest chance of making it into the play-offs of everyone from 6th on down, sitting in 13th. Going to be an intense fight to the finish.
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| | | 269 | judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Nov 16, 2010, 18:40
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Anybody know if Vick's 49.32 is a record for a single player in RIFC history? Any way to find out??
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| | | 270 | Frick
ID: 5310541617
Tue, Nov 16, 2010, 18:54
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I don't know how to check since the league has been on a couple of sites during its existence. I thought I heard on ESPN that it was the highest score in quite awhile. Our scoring isn't that different from other leagues so I would guess it's likely.
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| | | 271 | youngroman
Donor
ID: 02934823
Tue, Nov 16, 2010, 19:25
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how long do we play RIFC?
source (2000-2010)
218 rush, 36 recv, 5 TD game from Clinton Portis which was good for 55.4 points in 2003.
138 rush, 92 recv, 5 TD from Shaun Alexander for 52.1 points in 2002.
251 rush, 5 recv, 4 TD from Mike Anderson for 49.6 points in 2000
Fred Taylor came close with 234 rush, 14 recv, 4 TD for 48.8 points in 2000.
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| | | 272 | Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Tue, Nov 16, 2010, 22:27
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I can trade Arian Foster and one of my 6 WR for 2 good WR/TE. Or I can trade Sproles for a good WR. I think the trade deadline is near.
Also, my wife will be selecting my starters next week. She knows nothing about football. She cannot do worse than me.
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| | | 273 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Nov 18, 2010, 09:37
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Trade deadline is late Friday night (11:45pm ET)
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| | | 274 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Nov 18, 2010, 18:02
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Trade:
Building 7 gave up:
Foster, Arian HOU RB
Williams, Mike SEA WR
Bonka gave up:
Nicks, Hakeem NYG WR
Owens, Terrell CIN WR
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| | | 275 | Electroman
Donor
ID: 10833614
Thu, Nov 18, 2010, 18:05
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After the stat corrections, the game between me and Twilson got quite close, I lost by .18.
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| | | 276 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Thu, Nov 18, 2010, 18:16
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Wanted to spice things up since having a solid WR on the bench during the playoffs does nothing for you. Hate to give up Nicks. Have to wait and see how this one works out. Hope everyone can stay healthy.
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| | | 277 | slizz
ID: 1710161519
Fri, Nov 19, 2010, 00:51
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missed out on Forte's goodness my man!
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| | | 278 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Fri, Nov 19, 2010, 13:26
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Well that figures. Make the trade and M Williams TB goes and gets arrested for suspicion of DUI even though his BAC was below the legal limit. Think I saw something about possibly weed. At least I picked up Benn right after accepting the trade in case of injury, but who knows what will even happen. Guess I have too many boneheads on my team between him and DJ Williams with the DUIs and Vince Young getting in to fights at night clubs.
Get healthy soon Antonio Gates. Thanks.
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| | | 280 | Electroman
Donor
ID: 10833614
Fri, Nov 19, 2010, 17:30
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I don't know if this has ever been brought up before, but watching games this year, I wondered if the idea for awarding more points for Tackles For Loss. It seems that stuffing the RB in the backfield is more valuable than a CB who makes a tackle after a guy makes 20 yards on a reception, but they are both scored the same. It seems that MFL could support it. One hiccup could be that a sack which is scored as a TFL, would gain more value. But you could decrease the sack to 2 points, and the TFL would give the 3rd point. I think the TFL could be worth an extra point. Just putting in out there, as it seems that the league is always looking for ways to possibly improve.
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| | | 281 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Nov 19, 2010, 18:29
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Good idea. "Tackle for a loss" is an available scoring category. We should remember to take this up next season.
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| | | 282 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Fri, Nov 19, 2010, 18:35
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IDP scoring can be revamped a lot if you really want. Can give different values for tackles based on position to increase value of linemen and corners. Probably not worth doing though with only 6 starting IDP. I think it's more common in leagues where you start a full IDP lineup (2 de, 2 dt, 3 lb, 2 cb, 2 s).
TFL should probably just be .5 or .75 if it was to be added.
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| | | 283 | judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Fri, Nov 19, 2010, 22:49
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I LOVE that idea!!
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| | | 284 | Electroman
ID: 3170417
Sat, Nov 20, 2010, 14:02
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Each week on the Eagles home page, they put up a cartoon of the weeks opponent. I thought this weeks was great. I am not sure if it is right there ready to play, but look down, and splash page week 11 cartoon should be there.
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| | | 285 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Sat, Nov 20, 2010, 14:29
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LOL. Reminds me of watching "Mr. Wong" flash cartoons on Icebox. Not sure if that's still around?
good one.
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| | | 286 | slizz
ID: 381020719
Sun, Nov 21, 2010, 11:05
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with all these IDP additions, I think it should raise the question of eliminating the DST position all together and increasing the flex by 1.
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| | | 287 | Smith32
ID: 168432620
Sun, Nov 21, 2010, 21:29
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After 8 straight losses, I hired Jason Garrett to set my lineup this week.
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| | | 288 | judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Mon, Nov 22, 2010, 09:31
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Our AAA#2 middle is very crowded -- what are the criteria if we have ties for 6th place??
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| | | 289 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Nov 22, 2010, 12:13
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Tiebreaker is HTH first, then total points. MFL should be able to do that correctly.
The 7th and 8th spots are then for total points only - for all teams not already qualified. MFL will not do that automatically.
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| | | 290 | Nerfherders
ID: 347242717
Mon, Nov 22, 2010, 16:20
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Just peeking in here and would like to say Ive always loved the idea of extra points for tackles for loss. Its only been in the last couple of years that the NFL has recorded it. It's been a stat in college for a long time.
Another question - seems, at least AAA#2, that scoring is up compared to every previous RIFC league I've been in. Have you been noticing this in RIFC this year, or have any data to support it?
On the other hand, it could just be me - My opponents are averaging 142 PPG against me - I am probably setting an RIFC league record.
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| | | 291 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Nov 24, 2010, 17:14
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If anyone wants to compare scoring totals vs. prior seasons, the complete history of the RIFC can be accessed through the RIFC page
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| | | 292 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 45927710
Wed, Nov 24, 2010, 18:52
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Looking at the current standings, I can't figure out who would take seeds 5-8 in the playoffs. Guru, can you please post an update on the playoff seedings as of now? Thanks.
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| | | 293 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Nov 25, 2010, 16:15
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Standings on the site should be OK for spots 1-6. The first tiebreaker is HTH, so that can change over the last two weeks. But as of now, B7 and MC must have the edge in that.
The 7-8 spots are based on total points. Through week 11, those would be Electroman and IAC.
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| | | 294 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Nov 25, 2010, 22:12
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Just did some checking.
Of the five teams currently tied at 11-11, these are the head-to-head records:
Building 7: 5-2
Motley Crue: 4-2
Fugazi: 3-4
IAC: 3-4
Smith32: 2-5
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| | | 295 | Electroman
ID: 3170417
Sat, Nov 27, 2010, 19:39
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Looking over the scoring, Vick has missed 3 games, and most of a fourth, yet he is still the 9th highest scoring player and the most per week on avg this year. It will be interesting next year where he will go in the drafts.
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| | | 296 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Nov 27, 2010, 23:31
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AND where he might go if the Iggles cannot figure out a way to keep him. However of the teams that need QB, none have the supporting cast that the Iggles do. Just look at poor Fitz in AZ this year without a QB. Vick would be very wise to stay in Philly to do as well.
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| | | 297 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Sun, Nov 28, 2010, 10:00
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They are assuming he can get "tagged".
I would expect him to want to stay, even at a decreased salary due to prior votes of confidence from the coaching staff/ownership when nobody else would even consider him.
I'd say he's a late first rounder. He only slides that low due to injury concerns, being such a mobile QB. If not for injury, I'd consider him up there behind CJ/ADP.
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| | | 298 | slizz
ID: 381020719
Sun, Nov 28, 2010, 10:04
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can we "Franchise" a player in RIFC? :)
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| | | 299 | Electroman
Donor
ID: 010833614
Sun, Nov 28, 2010, 22:59
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Colts are clearly not in the upper class of the AFC this year. When they have faced a top tier team this year, they have not done too well. Blame injuries all you want, but every team has to face them.
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| | | 300 | Frick
ID: 5310541617
Sun, Nov 28, 2010, 23:12
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So, New England isn't in the upper class of the AFC?
I do agree that the Colts are not a good team right now, but if they can get a few players healthy and make the play-offs they are not going to be huge underdogs to anyone.
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| | | 301 | Electroman
Donor
ID: 010833614
Mon, Nov 29, 2010, 05:15
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I don't get your question about NE, but yeah, they are. As much as they might get some playes back, I think that it is mostly on D right? But the offensive line looks terrible, and I don't remember when I have seen Manning throw to many int's. They can't run the ball either.
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| | | 302 | Frick
ID: 5310541617
Mon, Nov 29, 2010, 08:30
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My point with NE was that the Colts were in a position to tie the game, if not win it with under a minute left. To say they haven't faired well against top teams seems a bit off. They were in the SD game despite their play until late/middle of the 3rd Q. The non-PI that resulted in the 2nd pick 6 was a huge swing in the game. I'm a complete Colts homer, but one of the replays it almost seemed like Weddle was looking back for the flag after he got into the end zone.
As far as getting guys back, Addai is much better pass blocker and seems more able to grind out 3-4 yards versus 1 or none that Brown gets. Plus they will hopefully get Collie back, I didn't realize until just now that Gozalez had been placed on the IR. The loss of Brody Elridge has hurt the running game as well. That being said, the Colts running game is beyond awful.
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| | | 303 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Nov 29, 2010, 14:41
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Frick, you better be hoping for a melt down by the Cardinal defense tonight and/or scoring changes Thursday. Got a tight one right now.
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| | | 304 | Frick
ID: 5310541617
Mon, Nov 29, 2010, 15:10
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I'm resigned that I'll lose. I haven't been able to catch a break the last couple of weeks. I knew that my RB were not going to be a strength, but they've killed me the last couple of weeks. Not sure what the deal with Best was this week. Anyone know why he didn't enter the game?
And I hated Pete Carroll as the coach of USC and my hate has grown as he continues to use Lynch and only got Forsett 4 touches. It's not like Forsett was effective or anything earlier this year and Lynch has to be one of the top 100 backs at this point. How do you not start a top 100 back? Gah.
At least you left Gerhart on the bench. That would have been a knife in the stomach, since I drafted him.
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| | | 305 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Mon, Nov 29, 2010, 17:50
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Well, Gerhart may see my starting lineup next week if AP can't go (he better be healthy for the playoffs, otherwise...ugh..same goes with Gates). Best was active and I thought I saw him in for 1 play (the 2nd or 3rd play of the game) and then he never came back in. Still having turf toe problems. That's ruined his season since he looked pretty promising after the first 2 weeks. I own him in another league where I started him (and Dez), so I feel your pain.
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| | | 306 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Nov 29, 2010, 18:05
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Time to refresh memories about our special league rules for the playoffs, which start after week #13.
Championship bracket
8 teams
Top 6 W/L records are seeded 1-6
Top remaining total points are seeded 7-8
Teams with equivalent W/L records are seeded based on head-to-head first (regardless of the number of teams), then total points.
Bracket is fixed (no reseeding after each round)
Players at the primary skill positions (QB, RB, WR) and team defenses may not be added for any reason during the playoffs. Free agents at these positions will be locked out after the final regular season game. You may drop a player at one of these positions, but once dropped, that player cannot be added later.
Players at the other positions (TE, PK, IDP) may be added or dropped according to normal regular season guidelines, subject to playoff claiming priorities, if applicable. Following the final regular season game, priorities will be reset based on playoff seed, with the top seed getting the top priority. Thereafter, throughout the playoffs, priorities will again adjust only when a claim is awarded.
If a playoff game ends in a tie score, the team with the better seed shall advance.
Teams which are not still active in the Championship playoffs may not make any transactions - adds or drops - even if they are still competing in a Consolation bracket.
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| | | 307 | Electroman
Donor
ID: 010833614
Mon, Nov 29, 2010, 18:41
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Has there ever been a tie in this format?
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| | | 308 | Frick
ID: 5310541617
Mon, Nov 29, 2010, 20:03
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I can't say I remember one with the current scoring and the odds have to be astronomical. I lost a game earlier this season by 1/2 of a return yard so it's hard to think that it is a reasonable outcome, but there is already and established rule to cover the situation regardless.
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| | | 309 | Frick
ID: 5310541617
Tue, Nov 30, 2010, 13:31
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Wasn't it just a week or so ago that Guru and I were in the 5th and 6th spots. Shows how tight the league is this year that I'm most likely to get relegated now.
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| | | 310 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Dec 01, 2010, 09:30
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In a three way tie for 2-3-4, Youngroman has the HTH tiebreaker won, 3-1. Shortbus is 2-2, Bonka is 1-3. YR was 1-0 vs. Shortbus, and 1-1 vs. Bonka. Shortbus was 2-0 vs. Bonka.
In the current tie for 6-7, MC and Fugazi split their two matchups, so that tie would be broken by total points.
So, if the playoffs were seeded based on week 12 standings, it would look like this:
1. Slizz
2. Youngroman
3. Shortbus
4. Bonka
5. IAC
6. Motley Crue
7. Electroman
8. Fugazi
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| | | 311 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Wed, Dec 01, 2010, 12:25
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Really appreciate the pickup of Campbell as a 4th QB.
I also don't know why we have the rule in place that doesn't allow QB/RB/WR/DEF pickups during the playoffs. There just doesn't seem to be a good reason to have it. There's already enough luck involved in the regular season, not to mention a 3 week playoff. I mean, I'm leading PF by a good margin and have the best all play record yet I'm in 4th place. To add more randomness to that seems a bit much. A team shouldn't be punished because they happen to lose 2 QBs or maybe 3 RBs or WRs to injury suddenly. That has absolutely nothing to do with managing their team.
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| | | 312 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Dec 01, 2010, 14:53
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The original concept was that you should play the playoffs with the guys that got you there.
The issue was put to several votes over the early years, and this approach was the consistent consensus.
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| | | 313 | Da Bomb
ID: 508161517
Wed, Dec 01, 2010, 15:28
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I can see that reasoning for the main skill positions, but what if your strategy was to rotate defenses based on matchups during the year?
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| | | 314 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Dec 01, 2010, 15:51
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That was discussed and suggested, but voted down. I think the essence was that you should be able to anticipate your defense needs in advance.
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| | | 315 | Electroman
Donor
ID: 010833614
Wed, Dec 01, 2010, 20:37
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If there is injury, can't you pick up position players?
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| | | 316 | judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Wed, Dec 01, 2010, 23:58
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(311 - 315)
If you look at the top performing list in AAA#2, in the top 300, we have these available for pick up:
7 DST
2 QB (Romo is one)
1 RB
2 WR
1 TE
12 PK
5 LB
11 DB
So really, all the good guys are on rosters. So should this mean that pickups should be allowed especially since there really is not anybody of any value to pick up anyway? Don't know the answer to that one...We have one team with 7 RB on his roster -- guess he is prepared for injury at that spot!!
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| | | 317 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Dec 02, 2010, 23:22
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[315] Nope. That was the rule in the first season or two, but was then changed.
Players at the primary skill positions (QB, RB, WR) and team defenses may not be added for any reason during the playoffs
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| | | 318 | Nerfherders
ID: 347242717
Fri, Dec 03, 2010, 12:11
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I had a bit of time to go look at the scoring for the past few years. These are average scores of all teams in the regular season. 2010 is through week 12.
RIFC:
2006 - 131.7
2007 - 132.3
2008 - 126.9
2009 - 132.7
2010 - 132.8
AAA (could not find numbers for 2006)
2007 - 129.2
2008 - 129.0 / 127.2
2009 - 132.7
2010 - 133.5
A couple of things to note. Generally scoring has gotten better over the years. This just comes with experience. Most of us, no matter what level, have been playing this particular league for a number of years. That makes sense.
It's also interesting to me that for the last 3 years AAA has out-scored RIFC.
And yes, 2010 RIFC AAA#2 has had the highest scoring average that I could find anywhere. Of course, my PA average is 145.3, which I am pretty certain is a record (Only 7 teams have had a better PF scoring average out of 10 league season's worth of data), so it seems like more than that. But at least the data backs up my impression, even if the number isn't as significant as it seemed.
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| | | 319 | Electroman
Donor
ID: 010833614
Sat, Dec 04, 2010, 12:24
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Don't know if anyone here has read it, but Pat Kirwin's "Take Your Eye Off the Ball" is a really great book for football junkies.
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| | | 320 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Dec 04, 2010, 17:43
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To clarify: no more QB, RB, WR, DST pickups once this week's games end?
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| | | 321 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Sun, Dec 05, 2010, 12:59
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Yep. Also, FA/Waiver moves limited to playoff teams.
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| | | 322 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Mon, Dec 06, 2010, 23:38
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Well... looks like LAW FIRM just solidified my re-invite to RIFC.
Was a great game to watch as a Pats fan.
P-A-T-S ;)
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| | | 323 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Mon, Dec 06, 2010, 23:59
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Yahoo -- I am into RIFC! First place in AAA#2!!!!
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| | | 324 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 02:22
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Yawn, get rewarded for placing 2nd after topping PF by almost 200 by playing the 2nd highest scoring team in the first round. Just isn't right.
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| | | 325 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 05:48
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RE 324: Well... make more sense that you face him, than Slizz does, IMHO.
Looks like I got a first round matchup vs my brother.
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| | | 326 | Electroman
Donor
ID: 010833614
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 06:26
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Matchups, it is the name of the game in FF. I have scored 150+ points for 4 straight weeks, and am .500. I wouldn't worry Bonka, I have my money on you to win it all, I was just hoping not to face you in the first round.
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| | | 327 | Electroman
Donor
ID: 010833614
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 06:28
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RE 323: Good for you Judy.
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| | | 328 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 09:50
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Playoff brackets have been set up. The consolation bracket is a bit looney (shows an extra week for some reason), but it will work OK with manual intervention. The "best" loser of a first round consolation game will advance to the second round.
Waiver priorities have been reset in order of seeding. Player add restrictions [post 306] will need to be monitored manually, and any nonconforming transaction will be reversed.
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| | | 329 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 09:51
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[323] congrats, Judy!
But now I'm going to need to recruit another AAA Commish! :-(
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| | | 330 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 10:06
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Teams not in the playoffs have now had their add/drop abilities revoked. (Nothing personal!)
So the only thing to manually monitor is the lockout on pickups of QB, RB, WR, or Def
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| | | 331 | judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 11:40
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FYI:
The AAA#2 final standings are posted on our thread. Pretty link by someone?
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| | | 332 | Nerfherders
ID: 347242717
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 12:08
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Just curious - something I asked in the AAA thread that didn't seem to be clear. What is the criteria for the 2 non-playoff teams in AAA to stay in AAA? Is it record based, points based, or consolation bracket finish?
I was 7th in scoring but had an 8-18 record (My leaguemates even named the unlucky schedule after me - 'The Nerf Schedule'). Missed the playoffs by 3 points because there were other unluckies in the middle of the pack.
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| | | 333 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 12:26
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Usually based on regular season standings - but not set in stone. Remind me next June, and I'll try to consider your specific situation.
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| | | 334 | Nerfherders
ID: 347242717
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 12:59
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That's all I can ask for. Thanks! :)
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| | | 335 | wolfer
ID: 43636248
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 20:47
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Re 332.
Even though its AA, I think I can top that for bad luck. I am one of the two that lost a FOUR WAY tie for 7th.
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| | | 336 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 108312919
Tue, Dec 07, 2010, 20:59
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[324] One solution could be to include teams for the playoffs as we do now, but to seed teams 1-8 based on points scored. More times than not, the top teams would avoid playing the points qualifiers in Week 14 because the teams that are 7th and 8th now would probably climb the seeding ladder a bit.
Under this scenario the first round matchups would be
#1 Bonka vs #8 Fugazi
#2 Electroman vs #7 Slizz
#3 Short Bus vs #6 IAC
#4 youngroman vs #5 MC
It would reward managers with high PF in some way; right now we basically do nothing for achieving high scores. It really is unrewarding for a top scoring team to have to play another high scorer.
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| | | 337 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Dec 08, 2010, 08:52
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[336] An idea worth considering next year. Hopefully I'll remember to bring it up.
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| | | 338 | TB
ID: 219152217
Thu, Dec 09, 2010, 01:20
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If you do that it might as well become a points league and forget about head to head match-ups.
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| | | 339 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Dec 09, 2010, 13:40
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That has always been the argument against it.
We've also considered letting the top 4 seeds choose their 1st round opponent. I don't recall why that proposal was rejected. Probably the KISS principle.
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| | | 340 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 108312919
Thu, Dec 09, 2010, 18:16
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I'm fine with it the way it is now and I'd be fine with it the way [336] proposes.
I see that the 6 managers re-invited to RIFC from 2009 include those who wound up with the Top 6 seeds in the final regular season standings. Is that the way the qualifiers will be chosen moving forward to 2010? In other words: Slizz, Bonka, youngroman, Short Bus, IAC, and me?
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| | | 341 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Dec 09, 2010, 21:20
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Depends on how the playoffs go. The playoff champ will definitely come back, for example.
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| | | 342 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Thu, Dec 09, 2010, 23:29
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Benched Collins. Doh. My QB situation this year has just been horrid.
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| | | 343 | slizz
ID: 1710161519
Fri, Dec 10, 2010, 00:52
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you can call my team smoke and mirrors!
I mean I still would've put together a playoff team, but alot has to do with lucky scheduling.
Either way, anything can happen come playoff time! Best of luck to all.
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| | | 344 | Electroman
Donor
ID: 010833614
Sun, Dec 12, 2010, 17:34
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Did Chicago not understand that it is not their game that is moved to Monday night?
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| | | 345 | Electroman
Donor
ID: 010833614
Sun, Dec 12, 2010, 19:15
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So Bonka, you complianed about QB injuries all year, and this week, the two biggest QB injuries did me in, Rodgers and Cassel. So QB injuries help you out. How is that for irony?
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| | | 346 | slizz
ID: 1710161519
Sun, Dec 12, 2010, 19:59
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yes!!!! good job switching mcfadden out slizzo!
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| | | 347 | youngroman
Donor
ID: 02934823
Mon, Dec 13, 2010, 04:01
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bad job by my complete team (incl. coach). I did score 100 or more all season only to score below when it really counts. key injuries and brutal performances were a factor this week.
and to make matters worse, my opponent looks like the top scorer this week. so I most likely would have lost anyway. what a bad luck.
good that I look to be already qualified for next season. now the only question is when this next season will be played.
good luck for those still in!
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| | | 348 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Mon, Dec 13, 2010, 23:01
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Looks like the underdogs will all be advancing past the regular season top performers (Unless someone's team goes off in the last quarter of play).
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| | | 349 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Mon, Dec 13, 2010, 23:47
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Gulp... (holding breath), matchups are closing in.
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| | | 350 | Bonka
Sustainer
ID: 019742310
Tue, Dec 14, 2010, 00:02
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What a disappointment. Best team by far over 13 weeks then put up a stinker in the first round. 3.6 points from the #1 DL, #2 RB, and #1 TE really helps.
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| | | 351 | fugazi
ID: 331151131
Tue, Dec 14, 2010, 02:47
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Well it's been a fun ride but I don't think my team will move any farther. Guess you never can tell, but I'm gonna need another lucky week. And I'm just not that lucky. Great games this week though.
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| | | 352 | Electroman
Donor
ID: 010833614
Tue, Dec 14, 2010, 06:00
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Wow, I am in shock. I really thought you had me with the players you had left. Now, let's see if my guys can get healthy.
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| | | 353 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Dec 14, 2010, 10:02
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All four underdogs (seeds 5-8) advanced. The same thing happened the first year of the RIFC. MC should remember that year, as he won it all as the #6 seed (beating me as the #8 seed).
I note with amusement that MC is again the #6 seed this year.
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| | | 354 | judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Tue, Dec 14, 2010, 16:12
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One of my wides went on IR. if I drop him I can pick up a replacement just not QB, RB, WR, DST? Correct?
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| | | 355 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Dec 14, 2010, 16:34
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yes
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| | | 356 | Electroman
Donor
ID: 010833614
Tue, Dec 14, 2010, 17:01
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not only did the 5-8 seeds win, all the winners out-scored the losers, so the teams that lost can get annoyed at the matchups they faced. Still annoying to lose, but at least you can't say "if I would have faced ..."
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| | | 358 | Letter_J
Leader
ID: 369553110
Thu, Dec 16, 2010, 09:54
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Re 356,
True,
That said, if I wasn't a bonehead, and I started Vinatieri instead of Kaeding (simply forgot to switch them out on Thursday), or TJ Ward instead of McKelvin (over-analyzing), I would have beat IAC (my brother, and scored more than EE). As is often the case, my brother also could have started Jacobs, which would have put him out of range. As it stood, however, my intent was to start Vinatieri.
Oh well, my team went in the crapper when Gore went down while I was in the middle of the Mediterranean sea. Never really recovered from that...120 points is not going to get it done (nor should it!).
Good luck to all of the remaining competitors. May you all avoid injuries and have the team that performs the best win.
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| | | 359 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Thu, Dec 16, 2010, 22:27
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RE 358: Too bad VJax goes off 1 week too late for ya? I got him in my Keeper League, and enjoying that VERY much!
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| | | 361 | Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sun, Dec 19, 2010, 09:27
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I need some playoff help from the pros here.
I have to choose 4 of:
Austin
R White
Harvin
S Rice
M Wllliams ( TB )
I also picked up Webb, starting today and is QB/WR eligible.
Or I can fill the flex slot with Choice
Who do like and is Webb worth a gamble
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| | | 362 | TB
ID: 219152217
Sun, Dec 19, 2010, 09:56
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I like Webb as a flex WR and nabbed him in a yahoo league for the start.
I'd go:
Austin
White
Wllliams
Webb
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| | | 363 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 108312919
Sun, Dec 19, 2010, 09:59
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Depends on a few things: PPR and return yardage.
If neither, I agree with TB. If you get return yardage, Harvin should be in there instead of Webb. If you get PPR, I might start Choice over Webb.
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| | | 366 | Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sun, Dec 19, 2010, 11:15
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yes PPR, no return yardage
I thought Webb also, on the assumption that if either Rice or Harvin have a big day, Webb had to be part of it? No?
Britt is also available.
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| | | 367 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 108312919
Sun, Dec 19, 2010, 11:27
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I like the potential for Dallas to score some garbage time points against a quitting Washington defense; Choice could benefit greatly from that. Probably can't go wrong with Webb either, but he's a complete mystery at this point. No idea what to expect from him.
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| | | 368 | Dave R
SuperDude
ID: 3010361110
Sun, Dec 19, 2010, 11:32
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Yeah, huge gamble with Webb.
No love for Britt vs Hou?
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| | | 369 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 108312919
Sun, Dec 19, 2010, 12:47
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Too many options--you're bound to get something wrong. I like Britt Vs. HOU, yes. Not sure if he beats the rest of the pack, though. Hard to predict with all of those choices.
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| | | 370 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Sun, Dec 19, 2010, 14:09
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That Mike Thomas PR TD has me feeling OK about not having started Manningham now.
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| | | 371 | Electroman
Donor
ID: 010833614
Sun, Dec 19, 2010, 15:45
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I am going nuts. Who ever tells Andy Reid to challenge has to be fired. First, Nicks didn't keep control on the third down pass that led to the first TD, then the D-Jax call? Doesn't help that the refs don't know what a catch is either. This game has been extremely frustrating to watch.
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| | | 372 | Electroman
Donor
ID: 010833614
Sun, Dec 19, 2010, 16:23
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OMG!!!! OMG!!! What a roller coaster today. Miracle at the new Meadowlands!!! My throat is really sore.
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| | | 373 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Dec 19, 2010, 16:23
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Another miracle at the "new" meadowlands!!!!!!!
wAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| | | 374 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Sun, Dec 19, 2010, 20:52
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Come one LAW FIRM!!! Down by 20... this matchup isn't over yet!
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| | | 375 | Electroman
Donor
ID: 010833614
Sun, Dec 19, 2010, 21:47
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Better ST play of the day? D-Jax punt return or Dan Connelly KO return?
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| | | 376 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Sun, Dec 19, 2010, 23:37
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Looks like a pretty tough uphill battle for Monday night. Jay's gotta be gold for me to have a shot.
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| | | 377 | Electroman
Donor
ID: 010833614
Tue, Dec 21, 2010, 07:36
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Nice week for my team to take a poop. Even though, when Vick started to go off a few weeks ago, I knew that MC would be tough to beat.
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| | | 378 | I_AM_CANADIAN
Donor
ID: 01361448
Tue, Dec 21, 2010, 09:42
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Congrats to Fugazi and MC for making it to the Finals!
I had a couple too many players underwhelm this week for me to make it to the next level. It was a good ride though, and I'm happy to have made it to the final four once again. Have a great end of year everyone!
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| | | 379 | fugazi
ID: 1011332113
Tue, Dec 21, 2010, 14:33
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Thank you Sir. It feels odd making to the championship game with what in my opinion is one of my worst teams ever. Riddled with injury and for the most part anonymous. Best I can hope for is another lucky week. Good luck MC.
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| | | 380 | Electroman
ID: 3170417
Tue, Dec 21, 2010, 15:49
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Saw something in another thread that inspired me to do this. The top Waiver team, no IDP or D or K.
QB- Vick(#1 points QB)
RB- Hillis(#2 Points RB)
RB- Tolbert(#15 points RB)
WR- Lloyd(#1 points WR)
WR- S. Johnson(#13 points WR)
WR- D. Branch(#32 points WR)
TE- M. Lewis (#3 points TE)
There was J Ford who was drafted, but released and was on the waivers for a while who was #25 WR.
Quite the team.
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| | | 381 | Electroman
Donor
ID: 010833614
Tue, Dec 28, 2010, 23:21
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Congrats to Fugazi for making it to the finals, it was close. Great year to everyone, and thanks Guru for this year.
Congrats to MC on a great year, and a RIFC championship.
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| | | 382 | fugazi
ID: 2011262822
Tue, Dec 28, 2010, 23:26
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Congrats to the Crue. Great year everyone, looks like I'm headed back to the minors.
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| | | 383 | I_AM_CANADIAN
ID: 211154298
Wed, Dec 29, 2010, 09:54
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Congrats MC on winning another one!
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| | | 384 | Mötley Crüe
ID: 108312919
Fri, Dec 31, 2010, 21:45
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Thanks, folks. Good to get back on top of this All-Star League. Hopefully I can hang around awhile and continue to win, despite my naivete.
Guru, always much appreciate the work you do.
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