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| Posted by: Ref
- Donor [539581218] Tue, Sep 30, 2008, 18:12
Previous Thread
We should probably move the talk to this thread.
NBA's site doens't have our history up yet so we can't look at anyhitng. I've always captured all the data but with NBA they had it saved so well last year that I didn't bother. As far as activity goes, I seem to remember three managers who had less GPs than desirable. Pretty sure everyone was adequtely active though.
BJ21 has a new job and informed me that he wouldn't have enough time to be active for Hoops. So we're going to need a replacement for him.
Thus far the only proposal our for this year has to do with the game site we play on. As mentioned in the previous thread, G24 had voted to do away with the plaque. It is really difficult to get it engraved and send it to the next person in a timely manner. There is a site where we can send out a customized yearly trophy that you can keep. That would be a way to keep a tradition going with less hassle. |
| | | 1 | Great One
ID: 428262410
Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 09:22
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I think thats a great idea, a nice little trophy, sent 1 way and you keep it forever. Keeping things simple. Personally I loved those little bobbleheads we found for 5.99 at K2awards (and it came with free engraving).
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| | | 2 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 15:27
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Does anyone have a list of last year's closing rosters? I can't even remember who all 12 of my own players were.
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| | | 3 | barilko6
ID: 48563014
Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 15:32
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I don't fully remember, but I do remember that I had:
Dwight Howard
Lebron James
Kobe Bryant
Chris Paul
Kris Humphries
Chris Bosh
Dwayne Wade
Mark Madsen
And the rights to:
Species 1st Round Draft Pick
Slizz's 1st Round Draft Pick
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| | | 4 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 15:35
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Never mind - I just found them. I'll reformat and post in a moment.
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| | | 5 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 15:39
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Tosh
Cuttino Mobley
Michael Redd
Darko Milicic
Corey Brewer
Greg Oden
Rafer Alston
Nene Hilario
Marcus Williams
Bonzi Wells
DeShawn Stevenson
Travis Diener
Walter Herrmann
RecycledSpinalFluid
Ray Allen
Allen Iverson
Kevin Garnett
Peja Stojakovic
Channing Frye
Andre Miller
Rashad McCants
Leon Powe
Yao Ming
Drew Gooden
Sebastian Telfair
Sean May
Perm Dude
Jason Terry
Raja Bell
Tim Thomas
Jarvis Hayes
Rasho Nesterovic
Willie Green
Luol Deng
Kirk Snyder
Eddy Curry
Richard Jefferson
Roger Mason
Andrew Bynum
The Knicks of G20
Tony Parker
Randy Foye
Corey Maggette
Wilson Chandler
Andrew Bogut
Linas Kleiza
Amir Johnson
Thaddeus Young
Shaun Livingston
Nate Robinson
Johan Petro
Jordan Farmar
Team rockafellerskank
Jason Richardson
Mike Conley
Tayshaun Prince
Emeka Okafor
Joakim Noah
Anderson Varejao
Nick Young
Glen Davis
Stephon Marbury
Luke Ridnour
Luke Walton
Kelenna Azubuike
barilko6
Francisco Garcia
Rajon Rondo
Boris Diaw
Julian Wright
Josh Howard
LaMarcus Aldridge
Al Thornton
Michael Finley
Ronnie Brewer
Spencer Hawes
Acie Law
Sean Williams
Great One
Deron Williams
Chris Quinn
Ricky Davis
Matt Carroll
Amare Stoudemire
Anthony Carter
Jannero Pargo
Kevin Martin
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Mike Miller
Chris Wilcox
Mo Williams
coldwater coyotes
Steve Nash
Monta Ellis
Nenad Krstic
Travis Outlaw
Rasheed Wallace
Kasib Powell
Louis Williams
Kyle Lowry
Kwame Brown
Gerald Wallace
Zaza Pachulia
Martell Webster
Peter N.
Jerry Stackhouse
J.R. Smith
Zach Randolph
LeBron James
Chris Kaman
Devin Harris
Marvin Williams
Rodney Stuckey
Ron Artest
Morris Peterson
Sasha Vujacic
Ronny Turiaf
RotoGuru Talaxians
Tracy McGrady
Andre Iguodala
Carlos Boozer
Al Jefferson
Hakim Warrick
Tyrus Thomas
James Posey
Jeff Foster
Charlie Bell
Jameer Nelson
Craig Smith
Paul Millsap
slackjawed yokel
Jamal Crawford
Josh Childress
Paul Pierce
Pau Gasol
Al Harrington
Samuel Dalembert
Ryan Gomes
Jose Calderon
Mikki Moore
Bostjan Nachbar
Andrea Bargnani
Jeff Green
KnicksFan
Mike Dunleavy
Nick Collison
Dwight Howard
Earl Watson
Flip Murray
Leandro Barbosa
Jason Williams
Joe Johnson
John Salmons
David West
Mardy Collins
Stephane Lasme
Young Lions
Mike Bibby
Gilbert Arenas
Elton Brand
Jason Maxiell
Marcus Camby
Jermaine O'Neal
Eduardo Najera
Steve Blake
Maurice Evans
Keith Bogans
Fabricio Oberto
Brandan Wright
Blurred Crusaders
Richard Hamilton
Chris Paul
Troy Murphy
Al Horford
Brendan Haywood
Nazr Mohammed
Wally Szczerbiak
Andray Blatche
Brad Miller
Quentin Richardson
Marcus Banks
Jamario Moon
Extreme Basketball
Andrei Kirilenko
Carl Landry
Mehmet Okur
Vince Carter
Rashard Lewis
Raymond Felton
Chauncey Billups
Udonis Haslem
Beno Udrih
Yi Jianlian
Javaris Crittenton
Daequan Cook
Frick
Baron Davis
Ben Gordon
Rudy Gay
Kevin Durant
Andris Biedrins
Shane Battier
Andres Nocioni
Jarrett Jack
Derek Fisher
Chris Duhon
Marco Belinelli
Joel Anthony
blackjackis21
Manu Ginobili
Fred Jones
Kyle Korver
Jared Dudley
Ben Wallace
Josh Powell
David Lee
Brandon Bass
Caron Butler
Dwyane Wade
Dorell Wright
Daniel Gibson
Twarpy
Kenyon Martin
Carmelo Anthony
Jason Kidd
Tim Duncan
Stephen Jackson
Erick Dampier
Larry Hughes
Shawn Marion
Juan Carlos Navarro
Delonte West
Aaron Gray
D.J. Strawberry
beastiemiked
Anthony Parker
Marko Jaric
Chris Bosh
Josh Smith
Kendrick Perkins
Grant Hill
Antawn Jamison
T.J. Ford
Kobe Bryant
Lamar Odom
Devin Brown
Josh Boone
Can't Beat the Refs
Brandon Roy
Ramon Sessions
Hedo Turkoglu
Danny Granger
Shaquille O'Neal
Dirk Nowitzki
Tyson Chandler
Charlie Villanueva
Jamaal Tinsley
Luis Scola
Kirk Hinrich
Andre Brown
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| | | 6 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 15:40
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As I recall, there were some post-season add/drops that will need to be reversed. I don't know if these rosters reflect those reversals or now.
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| | | 7 | Perm Dude
ID: 1291318
Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 15:46
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Thanks for posting those, Guru. It actually gives me a little hope looking over the roster again.
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| | | 8 | Great One
ID: 428262410
Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 15:55
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Barilko, your squad is pretty good but Mark Madsen is really bringing you down.
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| | | 9 | barilko6
ID: 48563014
Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 16:41
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Hey, not even I am a perfect manager GO.
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| | | 10 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 17:55
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Really need our constitution back. All of our draft picks and everything were there. Really frustrating. Need to email NBA and figure out what the deal is. Thanks Guru!
If anyone has a recommendation for someone taking over a team, send me a note.
I'd like to fill the open spot before running the lottery if possible--but not absolutely necessary.
Tosh and I have been discussing the site issue. We hope to have a recommendation to you soon. Maybe do a pros and cons of the sites. Not having our keeper info up is not helping matters as far as NBA goes.
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| | | 11 | barilko6
ID: 48563014
Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 18:00
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For sure...all joking aside, I know that I did trade up for a couple of better draft picks in some of my deals.
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| | | 12 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 18:12
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Yeah B6, after reading post 3, I thought you might be hanging out too much at The Dirty Sanchez yourself!!! ;)
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| | | 13 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 23:42
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NBA now has our rosters up. They have posted that our other Keeper stuff will be viewable soon.
http://ufc.nba.com/ufc/user/league/rosters?leagueId=20013861
We can compare those to Guru's as I know Tosh reversed two moves.
Email going out now.
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| | | 14 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Oct 02, 2008, 00:19
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Man, looking at my roster, I really like my team for the first time ever in this league. Going to have a hard time figuring out who my keepers are. It's no wonder I closed the gap so well. My keepers weren't very good last year, but my FA pickups were solid and mixed in a couple trades...I'd be ecstatic if I could keep my whole team.
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| | | 15 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Thu, Oct 02, 2008, 01:00
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Did you copy and paste that from last year's pre-draft thread?
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| | | 16 | Frick
ID: 23117516
Thu, Oct 02, 2008, 08:36
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Wow, Mike D bringing the heat early this year.
I'm in again. I'm not sure how I feel about my team, I have 4 definite keepers and another 4 maybes. The maybes depend on how their situations shake out.
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| | | 17 | KnicksFan
Sustainer
ID: 030815418
Thu, Oct 02, 2008, 09:37
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Mike D, I will trade you Mardy Collins for $17 and a jar of pickles. Interested?
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| | | 18 | barilko6
ID: 58133021
Thu, Oct 02, 2008, 10:25
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Dang...How am I supposed to rebuild this into a contender if I don't actually have Mike Madsen?
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| | | 19 | Great One
ID: 428262410
Thu, Oct 02, 2008, 10:26
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If you really want to keep him, I hereby officially declare that you are allowed to make him one of your keepers.
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| | | 20 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Oct 02, 2008, 12:50
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Re: 15 nope. This is my year...at least I keep telling myself that. Positive thinking, right?
Pacersrule is taking bj21's team.
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| | | 21 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 00:10
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I would like to try to go for it this year. I would be willing to listen to offers for Gilbert Arenas. I'd be looking for 2 strong players in return.
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| | | 22 | Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 02:00
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Thanks all for the chance to join this strong group of managers. I've had a chance to compete with many of you before so I know it's a good group. Since this is my first-ever keeper league I would just ask that you try not to abuse me too badly. I'll be active but it might be hard to tell since I so rarely post on these boards, lol.
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| | | 23 | Great One
ID: 2936213
Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 08:55
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Welcome to the league... shoot me an email so I can add you to my contact list and can bombard you with trade offers! :)
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| | | 24 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 11:42
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Welcome, PacersRule! Too bad about bj21, but we are glad to have you.
Stay away from GO! ;-)
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| | | 25 | barilko6
ID: 48563014
Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 12:08
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Do we have any records of draft picks that were traded?
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| | | 26 | Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 17:16
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Thanks! I'll just put my email up so everyone can bombard me with trade offers.
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| | | 27 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 17:55
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blackjack's team sucks so I expect you'll want to make wholesale changes. ;)
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| | | 28 | Pistol Pete
ID: 73521622
Sun, Oct 05, 2008, 14:07
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Damn, is it really October already? Where does the time go? Time for another season of G20 Hoops. I hope my team can build off last season's improvment. I guess we'll see...
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| | | 29 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Oct 05, 2008, 20:40
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Still no word from NBA. Growing more and more frustrated...
The last couple of years we've started the draft on a Sun afternoon. Last year keeps weren't due until that Sat. Need to look at NBA schedule etc., but that would translate to the draft starting on Oct. 19th this year. Keepers would like be due on the 17th or 18th.
Need to go through and see if there are any other managers who haven't checked in. Then we need to do our lottery draw. Our draft pick trades are in the constitution. NBA has not responded to my emails.
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| | | 30 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Oct 06, 2008, 15:13
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Tosh got a response from NBA. Thoguht it was funny that it is apparently being administered by rotohog.
Their response:
This appears to be a global issue (or at least affecting leagues with a constitution that is over a certain size), and we are working to correct. Thanks for your patience.
Well this doesn't go the the fact that none of our keeper settings or anything about our league is there at all except our rosters. Going through the manager list now. No one has said no yet, just not sure if all 20 have recommitted yet.
Guess the lottery would be up next. Really hard to trade when we can't remember who owns which draft picks!
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| | | 31 | Slackjawed Yokel
ID: 48911511
Mon, Oct 06, 2008, 21:22
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Hey, if you want Josh Childress, he can be had for cheap. I guess he's the one on my team pulling an Anthony Mason this year.
By the way, how many keepers? I'm too lazy to look it up.
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| | | 32 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Oct 06, 2008, 21:24
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| | | 33 | Slackjawed Yokel
ID: 48911511
Mon, Oct 06, 2008, 21:27
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see, it probably would have taken me more than two minutes to look that up. Thanks for validating my laziness, species.
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| | | 34 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Oct 06, 2008, 22:06
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Typically when we have a trade for draft picks we post it in here too. We alwyas did before we got our constitution up on our site (NBA. Yahoo doesn't have one). Need to probably go through the thrads to see what we can find. This is jsut horrible. Could be the last straw for NBA site.
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| | | 35 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Mon, Oct 06, 2008, 22:31
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Many of us would support that Ref, FWIW.
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| | | 36 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 00:41
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Managers: There are three managers I've not heard from/posted in here since they've been invited...PD, bmd or Peter N.
Now I talked to bmd awhile back about the status of the plaque and I'm sure he'll be back. I'm more concerned with Pete. I talked to him 2 or 3 weeks ago and he's so incredibly busy with work. My guess is that he will be back as he's played in all of our leagues since inception. I know that he is swamped though.
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| | | 37 | Perm Dude
ID: 45918617
Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 00:46
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I'm in. Sent you an email in fact, ref, and I did post earlier in this thread.
All those offers for Bynum has slowed me down...
:)
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| | | 38 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 01:11
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heh, sorry I missed it PD. I'm sure bmd is in. It's just Pete I think. May see if DS can track him down for us.
I sent another msg to, well, uh, rotohog I guess, about keeper stuff. He got right back to me:
We still hope to get keeper data (draft pick trades, prior year's standings, salaries & contracts) available later this week. Thanks for your patience.
Jon
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Thanks for your reply. Will the constitution be included as well?
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Sorry for missing that. We have migrated the constitutions, but are aware of an issue with some not appearing. We're working on that (it also affects one of my leagues).
Jon
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So it's lost somewhere apparently. This does not make me feel any better. None of our settings are right or anything. It wasn't this way last year. It's a complete mess. But on a side note the problems that GO, Tosh and I constantly complained to them last year about the sorts and 3s missing etc are fixed!!!
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| | | 39 | Peter N.
ID: 499310
Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 08:04
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Count me in. Sorry for the delay.
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| | | 40 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 11:10
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Here are the results from last year based on my post in 145 of our previous thread. I've got to identify a couple of the teams and I can get it to Guru and run the lottery at least.
Rank Team Total Change FG% FT% Pts 0Reb Reb Ast Stl Blk 3PM
1 beastiemiked 144 -1 15 13 19 19 20 11 20 20 7
2 Can't Beat the Refs 138.5 1.5 13 6 20 18 19 19 10.5 15 18
3 Great One 131 -2.5 18 18 17 10 15 14 9 13 17
4 Twarpy 131 0 7 7 15 16 17 16 19 18 16
5 RecycledSpinalFluid 128 2 17 14 18 17 13 12 18 7 12
6 KnicksFan 123.5 0 16 5 16 14 16 15 10.5 16 15
7 slackjawed yokel 120 0 19 17 10 13 12 18 7 10 14
8 Frick 113 3 4 19 12 11 10 7 13 17 20
9 RotoGuru Talaxians 111 0 20 2 13 20 18 9 15 11 3
10 Extreme Basketball 102 -1 2 20 11 5 8 20 16 1 19
11 Peter N. 99 -0.5 9 10 14 9 11 10 17 6 13
12 Blurred Crusaders 97 0 10 15 6 15 14 17 8 8 4
13 blackjackis21 92 0 11 16 7 12 9 5 14 9 9
14 coldwater coyotes 79 2 8 8 9 1 5 13 12 12 11
15 barilko6 55 -3 6 9 4 6 7 1 6 14 2
16 Perm Dude 54 0 12 11 8 3 2 3 3 2 10
17 Young Lions 48 0 3 3 1 4 3 8 1 19 6
18 The Knicks of G20 45 1.5 14 4 5 8 6 2 2 3 1
19 Tosh 42 -2 1 12 2 2 1 6 5 5 8
20 Team rockafellerskank 37 0 5 1 3 7 4 4 4 4 5
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| | | 42 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 12:05
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Here is a copy and paste of Guru's lottery explanation for Pacers Rule and as a refresher for the rest of us (taken and edited from past season G20 baseball which uses same numbers)
For those unfamiliar with the process, here is a brief recap.
1. The bottom 14 teams are each assigned selection probabilities for the lottery, defined as chances per 1000. The last place team has a 25% chance of being selected; the team 14th from the bottom has a 0.5% chance (5 per 1000). For the upcoming lottery, here are the selection probabilities (chances per 1000) assigned to each team:
Team Name Chances per 1000
14 7 slackjawed yokel 5
13 8 Frick 7
12 9 Guru 10
11 10 Mike D 13
10 11 Peter N. 18
9 12 Pistol Pete 24
8 13 Pacers Rule 32
7 14 coldwater coyotes 44
6 15 barilko6 59
5 16 Perm Dude 81
4 17 Species 109
3 18 Slizz 148
2 19 Tosh 200
1 20 rockafellerskank 250
2. The lottery is conducted as three sequential random "draws". The first draw will be for the top pick, then the 2nd pick, then the 3rd. All teams not selected for one of the top three picks will be assigned the 4-14 position reverse standings order.
3. The process for each draw is to simulate the random selection of four balls from a total of 14 balls, numbered from 1-14. There are 1001 such possible combinations that can be selected. One of these is predetermined to represent a "do over", and the other 1000 combinations are each pre-assigned to one of the 14 teams, in the proportions listed above.
There are 1000 rows. Columns B,C,D, and E list the four-ball combos. Columns F&G list the team that is assigned to each combo. Once a four ball combo is drawn, it is a simple matter to look up the team that is represented by that combo. For example, if the combo is 1-6-10-14 (in any order), then the team selected is Perm Dude. (2-7-9-12 is the "do over" combo.)
3. If the second or third draw results in a duplication, then it is tossed out and done again.
4. The program for selecting the 4 ball combinations is derived from the random.org website.
The version of the program that we use sends an email confirmation to several people, so the results can be audited and verified. I wrote the program, but Ref will run it and post the results here.
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| | | 43 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 12:16
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An the winner of the draft lottery and the first pick goes to....
Species!
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| | | 44 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 12:17
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2nd ball comes up...
Species again...repick
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| | | 45 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 12:19
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2nd pick (3rd ball) goes to...
barilko6!!!
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| | | 46 | barilko6
ID: 48563014
Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 12:20
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Nice! Now I have to get out my college hoops guide and figure out who is the best rookie to join the 99 Cent Shooters!
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| | | 47 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 12:20
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3rd pick goes to...
rockafellerskank!!!
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| | | 48 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 12:22
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Guru please confirm results.
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| | | 49 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 12:22
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Results confirmed.
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| | | 50 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 12:28
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Here is the BASE draft order (no trades taken into account for this) for the first two rounds:
ROUND 1
1. Species
2. B6
3. rfs
4. tosh
5. slizz
6. pd
7. coyotes
8. Pacers Rule
9. Pistol Pete
10. Peter N
11. mike d
12. guru
13. frick
14. yokel
15. KF
16. RSFluid
17. Twarpy
18. GO
19. Ref
20. bmd
ROUNDS 2-6
1. rfs
2. tosh
3. slizz
4. Species
5. pd
6. B6
7. coyotes
8. Pacers Rule
9. Pistol Pete
10. Peter N
11. mike d
12. guru
13. frick
14. yokel
15. KF
16. RSFluid
17. Twarpy
18. GO
19. Ref
20. bmd
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| | | 51 | beastiemiked
ID: 528592014
Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 12:41
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I'm in of course.
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| | | 52 | Frick
ID: 23117516
Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 12:54
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I'm in, despite being saddened by not winning the lottery for the 3rd straight year.
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| | | 53 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 13:22
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OK, managers are set and lottery is done.
Next order of business...
Proposed changes for this year. I don't have any rules or procedure issues sent to me or posted.
We do have two proposed admin changes:
1. Hosting Site. Unfortunately, we've been unable to make a recomendation. I also have not looked at ESPN yet to make any kind of recommendation. So thus far it's stay at NBA or move to Yahoo!. We are past frustrated with NBA, obviously.
There are Pros and Cons with Yahoo from a manager and commish standpoint. I don't want to get into them right now as it may turn out to be our only option. The important thing is that we can make it work if need be and I made a league there a couple weeks back to be ready.
2. Single Plaque Retirement -- Keeper Customizable Trophy Replacement
bmd was getting ready to engrave his name in the old plaque and asked me if he shouldn't just buy a larger plaque since it was the last space left. I asked him to price it for us but before he could get back to me I told him not to do anything yet. It has been a major hassle--esp. in this league with lost and unreturned plaques. The timely enraving and sent on has also been at issue. G24 has voted to retire that plaque and we will be going with the keeper customizeable trophy (probably bobblehead from where GO found). The price is like $5 or $6 plus like $10 or less drop shipping to the new winner. This is less than what we've paid before and with the money we have in the fund already (plus anyone who finishes top 6 who isn't in pool goes to that fund) we may have a surplus.
Please weigh in on the plaque proposal. If there is a choice/doubt about the site we will use we can discuss that later. Also, if you can think of any other changes/tweaks to current rules/procedures please post now.
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| | | 54 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 14:14
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Definitely support the trophy proposal.
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| | | 55 | Perm Dude
ID: 57922710
Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 14:18
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Yahoo is comfortable--not as many bells & whistles, but they archive rosters and standings which is a definite plus.
I would be for a trophy as well.
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| | | 56 | Frick
ID: 23117516
Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 14:35
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I support the trophy idea.
As for the site that we use, no opinion yet.
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| | | 57 | barilko6
ID: 48563014
Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 14:48
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Shipping all my trophies to Canada would incur extra costs!!!
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| | | 58 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 15:30
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What a load of poop. After doing so weakly last season, some schmuck like Species comes in and gets my #1 draft pick.
I'm not happy about this at all.
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| | | 59 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 15:41
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I dunno, Species was pretty weak too. I rememebr at one time at least he was WAY below in games played anyhow. ;)
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| | | 60 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 15:44
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I completely agree that Species is weak. I was, am, and will continue to be weaker.
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| | | 61 | Perm Dude
ID: 57922710
Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 15:46
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Sadly, there simply aren't enough Japanese baseball players in the game of hoops to help Species out in the long term, either...
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| | | 62 | Great One
ID: 2936213
Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 15:58
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He prefers the Chinese over the Japanese when it comes to basketball (and gymnastics).
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| | | 63 | rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 15:58
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Trophy idea good for me.
Pick #3 and/or #21 could be had for those of you who have too many keepers. Come strong or don't come at all.
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| | | 64 | Peter N.
ID: 499310
Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 18:51
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I'm for the trophy idea as well.
I'd also like to switch to Yahoo. NBA was a pain.
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| | | 65 | Species
ID: 28432620
Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 19:51
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Yeahhhhhhh booooyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! Beasley or Rose......Beasley or Rose?!??
I support a move to Yahoo.
I support the trophy idea.
I support flexible Chinese women.
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| | | 66 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 20:00
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Man, why do I never win the lottery? Thats my goal for this year.
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| | | 67 | Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 20:08
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OT: Did they ever find out how old those Chinese gymnasts were? Some looked to be about 9.
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| | | 68 | Slackjawed Yokel
ID: 48911511
Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 20:17
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I'm fine with the trophy change, and am OK with which site suits the commisioners; I did always have some difficulties with nba.com on one of my computers as I recall...
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| | | 69 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 21:26
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Neutral (and confused) over the trophy issue.
Yahoo for sure.
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| | | 70 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 00:01
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Moving along...
Next order of business is Keeper and draft dates.
Last year we had keeper date of thurs 10/18 and the draft officially started on Sun 10/21. The Season began on 10/30.
Last year's draft had an 8:00 cumulative clock and only one person timed out. It was over by Friday afternoon 10/26. We did open it up for early drafting on Friday so that got us 14 picks off the board before it even opened for c clock.
That schedule has worked for us the last 2 or 3 years and I'm thinking we should stick to that. The days would be the same. The dates obviously are moved up two days with the leap year. We might even be able to move the keepers back to Friday if need be due to the slow start with the whole NBA site.
So tentatively:
Keepers would be due on either Thur 10/16 or Fri 10/17. Time TBA. Thread in this forum
Draft may open up Fri (or Sat) but the clock wouldn't start until Sun afternoon 10/19. Threads in Standings Forum.
The season doesn't start until Tues 10/28 so we have a little leeway. Though if we do go back to Yahoo! remember that it takes an extra day to get a player into your lineup. The other sites are immediate (except waivers).
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Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 00:21
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I'm going through some old threads and here are some of the posted draft pick trades.
Sat, Feb 09, 2008, 21:04 In Current trade - Tosh gets Great One's Round 1. GO gets Tosh's Round 4.
Sat, Feb 16, 2008, 11:57 Trade done:
RecycledSpinalFluid sends:
Radmanovic, Vladimir
Ridnour, Luke
Round 5 Draft Pick
rockafellerskank sends:
Finley, Michael
Mason, Desmond
Round 6 Draft Pick
Hibachi Grill & Can't Beat the Refs Trade Announcement:
The Hibachi Grill sends:
-Luis Scola
-Round 6 Draft Pick
Can't Beat the Refs sends:
-Linas Kleiza
-Round 3 Draft Pick
barilko6 trades:
Drew Gooden
Jamario Moon
Round 4 Draft Pick
RSF trades:
Michael Finley
Ronnie Brewer
Round 2 Draft Pick
There were several other trades not listed. For isntance I know I got some draft picks too. One was for Farmar. That may have been the one where slizz and I traded our own draft picks back.
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| | | 72 | rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 09:18
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Those Keeper dates / draft dates work fine for me.
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| | | 73 | Great One
ID: 2936213
Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 09:26
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re:67 LAUSANNE, Switzerland - China’s gold medal gymnasts were old enough to compete in the Beijing Olympics, the sport’s governing body said Wednesday, though it still had questions about the team that competed at the 2000 Sydney Games.
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| | | 74 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 10:58
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RE: 73
I saw something where these experts were saying that there is no way those gymnasts were 14. Gave some proof. I remember one was the fact that they had baby teeth still. China said that they had documentation to prove it but NBC said they had documents before where the dates were chagned on two gymnasts that made them two years older than before.
RE G20
I am really worried that we will never see our Constitution again. Just hoping that maybe we can put together some of he traded draf tpicks to try and recapture the integrity of the league with the traded draft picks.
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| | | 75 | Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 17:49
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re: 67
Yeah the other night I read that one of the 2000 Chinese Gymnasts admitted on a talk show of some type that she was 14 when she competed in 2000. She now refuses to answer questions about it saying 'I'm not a gymnast anymore' or some such. There were two gymnasts who had originally had birthdates listed on a national gymnastics website making them 14 at the time of their olypmic competition, but which had been changed in 2007 to make them both 16.
Species- I didn't mean to imply anything about your enjoyment of flexible Chinese women. ;-) The mere reference to Chinese gymnasts reminded me I never followed up on that inquiry. Naturally I called upon the collective Gurupie wisdom to enlighten me.
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| | | 76 | Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 18:13
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I seem to remember hearing of a Desmond Mason deal that led to swapping first and second round picks. Or was that trade overturned?
Hilarious.
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| | | 77 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 18:13
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It looks like I am 1 keeper short of a six pack. I would be interested in a modest draft pick swap in exchange for a decent player with a starting role.
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| | | 78 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Oct 09, 2008, 01:24
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Keepers-worthy
Brandon Roy
Hedo Turkoglu
Danny Granger
Dirk Nowitzki
Tyson Chandler
Charlie Villanueva
Jamaal Tinsley
Kirk Hinrich
Possible-Keepers depending on what happens in preseason:
Ramon Sessions
Shaquille O'Neal
Luis Scola
Likely Drops:
Andre Brown
The problem is that we are not sure who has what draft picks to even trade right now. Would be a mess if we make trades and then find out they didnt have those picks to even trade. What a mess.
PR: That was a joke that Mike D posted. Not an actual trade
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| | | 79 | Pacers Rule
ID: 195190
Thu, Oct 09, 2008, 01:57
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Yeah I know - I wasn't serious - I was laughing at how funny the post - and subsequent posts - were. It was funny enough RSF played that Mike D would really do that trade, but adding the improvement in draft position was truly hilarious. Ok, maybe when you're reading it late at night and strung out on fantasy stats - it seems even funnier than it really was....
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| | | 80 | Slizz
ID: 21733916
Thu, Oct 09, 2008, 08:43
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The Knicks of G20
Keeper Worthy: (In Order)
Tony Parker
Thaddeus Young
Andrew Bogut
Corey Maggette (Nellie's offense...'nuff said)
Randy Foye
Can make a case for:
Shaun Livingston
Linas Kleiza
Jordan Farmar
Nate Robinson
Definite Drops:
Johan Petro
Wilson Chandler
Amir Johnson
Looks like its gonna be another long year for the Knicks of G20! With next to no talent, its fixing to be another lottery pick.
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| | | 81 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Oct 09, 2008, 16:26
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I emailed NBA again about Constitution and the response was almost immediate:
We have people looking at this feature globally right now. Sorry for the delay.
Jon
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| | | 82 | barilko6
ID: 58133021
Thu, Oct 09, 2008, 16:46
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Looking over my roster, I could use a 6th man to add to my keeper squad. Would have a preference to someone younger to help with my rebuild, and would be willing to part with any pick in the right package. I know I have the 2nd overall selection, and I think I picked up some extra picks through trades last year when I unloaded some older guys.
Current Squad (in case you want to acquire players back in a trade)
Francisco Garcia
Rajon Rondo
Boris Diaw
Julian Wright
Josh Howard
LaMarcus Aldridge
Al Thornton
Michael Finley
Ronnie Brewer
Spencer Hawes
Acie Law
Sean Williams
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| | | 83 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Oct 09, 2008, 17:01
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I think we need to hold off on making any trades that involve draft picks until we can either get our Constitituion back or figure out an emergency plan. That emergency plan might need to be constructed very shortly though!
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| | | 84 | barilko6
ID: 58133021
Thu, Oct 09, 2008, 17:13
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Agreed Ref, I mentioned that to the guys who emailed me, that I want to wait to see which picks I acquired in trades last year.
Just wanted everyone to know I am looking to wheel and deal and get the pumps greased...
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| | | 85 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Thu, Oct 09, 2008, 17:23
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In our RWF (Wrestling) league we make so many draft swaps for several years ahead that occasionally we mess them up. But everyone makes a slight modification to still have the deal go through. No biggee.
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| | | 86 | barilko6
ID: 58133021
Thu, Oct 09, 2008, 17:35
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I think from here on in, we definitely should include all trades here on the forum.
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| | | 88 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Oct 09, 2008, 22:09
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Yep, that's what I told Tosh when we saw it was rotohog doing it. My gut says we're going to have to go back to Yahoo!. They started archiving after we left, but the commish thing, the constitiution thing, Live Scoring not included, having to wait a day to put players in lineups (2 for trades). Also you can't control it once the season starts. If someone is inactive or bolts, you're stuck.
I know that others prefer it simply because they play in other leagues and it's easy for them as it's located all in one place and you're buying live scoring anyhow, but for others, it's $10 and some will go w/o it. A big part of my enjoyment is live scoring. Also last time I had Yahoo live scoring in two leagues it always froze up on me. But I digress. Love a site where our constitution can be housed and more than one commish can fix things if needed, but our choices are limited. Our last constitution was lost in migration and our leagues haven't even been migrated over yet.
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| | | 89 | barilko6
ID: 58133021
Thu, Oct 09, 2008, 22:28
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Yahoo you can have co-commishes now.
I will miss the ability to add a player and start him on the same day though.
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| | | 90 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Oct 09, 2008, 22:29
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What I read is that a commish can now give it to someone else permanently, but they cna't commihsh at same time.
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| | | 91 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Oct 09, 2008, 22:33
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I just logged into ESPN and so far so good, it could be an option.
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| | | 92 | Pacers Rule
ID: 195190
Thu, Oct 09, 2008, 23:29
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I also appear to be a keeper or two shy of a load, so if you have excess and want to swap for a pick, I'm up for that. Of course, once I know what picks I have that is...
Since I seem to be in rebuilding mode, I'm more interested in younger talent.
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| | | 93 | Pacers Rule
ID: 195190
Thu, Oct 09, 2008, 23:33
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#81 "looking at this feature globally"
Does this also mean - we're not able to spare any manpower to look at your specific issue? Hopefully not, or else we're left hoping the possible 'global' fix will restore our situation as well.
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| | | 94 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Oct 09, 2008, 23:44
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Well rotohog is taking over from the former game operator and the data has to be migrated from that company to rotohog's servers. The Constitutions already migrated over but many are missing. The otehr Keeper stuff are supposed to be migrated by the end of this week. I'm not holding my breath.
I sent invites to Guru and Tosh at ESPN. I can give them commish (league manager) privs once tehy sign in. It appears that ESPN has everything NBA had except the Constitution. It does have a pretty long commish note that could serve as an abridged version perhaps. Also has a league buletin board.
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| | | 95 | Great One
ID: 2936213
Fri, Oct 10, 2008, 09:05
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Never understood the need for live scoring in a Rotiserie league. Even with my Stattracker, I never check the rotiserie leagues anyway, I only use it for my H2H leagues. Who really cares if they gained +0.5 in steals or rebounds on a given night?! And if you care that much, then its worth 9.99 to ya. Its not like I can't just look at my players' stats in normal boxscores and see how they are doing. Yahoo has had bulletin boards, smack talk, commish notes for years. The only negative I see is the adding players for next days games... but who makes that many moves that this really matters in hoops? Baseball maybe where you are picking starters up and what not. But its not all that imperative for Rotiserie hoops. And this is coming from the guy that made 124 add/drops in the Elimination Chamber last year. I'm pretty sure the majority of the league would prefer Yahoo, are we gonna have a vote of some sort? Cause I would think we would do what the majority wants and work out the details off of that.
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| | | 96 | barilko6
ID: 48563014
Fri, Oct 10, 2008, 09:15
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Yeah, I would very much prefer Yahoo, for many of the reasons mentioned throughout this thread, and most importantly, its where many other manager's leagues are being held, making it much more convenient, and also making it less likely for a manager to ditch or abandon his team!
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| | | 97 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Oct 10, 2008, 11:12
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Well NBA site is pretty much dead for us. Neither Tosh nor myself want to return. Tosh, Guru and myself are investigating ESPN now to make a recommendation. Would anyone else like to get on ESPN to look around?
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| | | 98 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Oct 10, 2008, 12:13
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I gotta admit, ESPN was horrible last time I looked at it. But this time it looks really impressive.
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| | | 99 | Great One
ID: 497221412
Fri, Oct 10, 2008, 12:35
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I could probably check it out sometime over the weekend if you want to send me the info.
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| | | 100 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Oct 10, 2008, 12:56
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I sent invites to those who have been posting.
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| | | 101 | Slizz
ID: 22813187
Fri, Oct 10, 2008, 13:29
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YAHOO!!!
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| | | 102 | Great One
ID: 2936213
Fri, Oct 10, 2008, 13:38
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Slizz is a cowboy apparently.
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| | | 103 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Oct 10, 2008, 15:11
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Nah he just msged me. He hasn't seen ESPN yet. He asked me some questions about ESPN and was surprised by my responses. Seriously, you guys need to see ESPN at least before forming an opinion.
The best thing so far is that blue hen knows the head of League Manager (LM). He has worked with me trying to make ESPN the home of G20 baseball and thus far has been able to implement everthing I've requested except for prospects/taxi squad. They love the idea of a Constitution and are going to imp that. Also bh says they like the exact time of a WW pickup instead of the 3 am and hope to have that in next year. That's not a big issue but after seeing it with NBA, I kinda liked it--though not a big deal.
Just a few things to consider: Freeze is actual game time for players; you can pick up a player that day and use him that day if it's before the first game of the day (likely will add before that player's game for next season); You can access everything via phone for free (real time standings may be only free from verizon not sure); The commishs have even more than NBA had; free live scoring; this has more bells and whistles than Yahoo for the player as well.
I could go more, but I'd like people to see for themselves. The history and records and full abilities. This looks like a different site than what I saw last year when I looked at it and I like it even better than CBS--and it's free. Just tak ea look and see what you think.
Mike D, I sent the invite to your home email.
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| | | 104 | Frick
ID: 23117516
Fri, Oct 10, 2008, 15:16
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I'll check it out when I get a chance. I have to admit that I'm a little excite by the free phone access since I just got unlimited data on my phone.
Regardless I'm ok with either.
I'm possibly looking into trading up in the draft or doing a 2-1 type trade. The only untouchable on my squad is Durant.
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| | | 105 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Oct 10, 2008, 15:23
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I have so many keepers that I'm chomping at the bit to trade for draft picks. Some have contacted me already. Just need to figure out who owns what picks!!!
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| | | 106 | blue hen
ID: 30311814
Fri, Oct 10, 2008, 15:59
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Just to clarify some stuff Ref said...
- Everyone gets free live scoring on the web and on mobile. And standings are updated when stats come in rather than overnight. Those are the two reasons I used Stattracker.
- You can trade picks in the preseason. We aren't yet able to trade picks after the draft (i.e. next year); this may be added in time for Baseball 09.
- Freeze is at the time of the first game: you can pick up a player at 6:55 and start him for a 7:00 game.
- You can access your teams on your phone. See live scoring, updated standings, your current matchup (in H2H), etc.
- You can do start/bench and add/drop on Verizon phones.
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| | | 107 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Oct 10, 2008, 16:06
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Freeze is at the time of the first game: you can pick up a player at 6:55 and start him for a 7:00 game.
I assume this "freeze" only applies to free agent pickups. If one game starts at 7:00, but a later game starts at 10:00, I still have until 10:00 to start or bench a player in the later game, don't I? I just can't pick up a free agent at 9:55 and start him at 10:00 if there was an earlier game.
Or is it like CBS, where all roster slots freeze at the first game time?
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| | | 108 | Great One
ID: 2936213
Fri, Oct 10, 2008, 16:16
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Hopefully its like Yahoo where its staggered for the individual game times.
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| | | 109 | blue hen
ID: 30311814
Fri, Oct 10, 2008, 16:33
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Right right.
Start/bench is up until that player's gametime, as long as you have a slot.
I meant the freeze for add/drop.
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| | | 110 | Frick
ID: 23117516
Fri, Oct 10, 2008, 16:56
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Are max games played tracked by position? When I looked it lumped all of the positions together, but that could have been a function of the league set-up (or not set-up).
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| | | 111 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Oct 10, 2008, 22:59
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It's by position.
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| | | 112 | Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Sat, Oct 11, 2008, 13:05
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Getting a new phone. Made a couple calls to ESPN and Verizon. Apparently the live stats for mobile phones is available only on certain phones as part of the VCAST package. According to both people I talked to from both companies, if your phone is not "ESPN MVP" enabled you cannot use the service. If it is so capable, you would need to be a Vcast subscriber ($15/month fee) to access the content. I'm not sure I want live phone standings that badly, though it probably is a strong consideration for Mike D in his ongoing quest for domination.
I would assume ESPN has the policy - as does Yahoo!! - that if your player has a scheduled game that night and is in your lineup but does not play - it does not count against your games limit. I looked it up on the FAQs but could not find it.
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| | | 113 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Oct 11, 2008, 13:50
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Many times people will have guys in their lineup when their team doesn't even play that night. Many times a guy will be a late scratch or can't go and is in that manager's lineup--but he has to get in the game for it to count as a game played.
If you can remember any other trades that were made or you were involved in, please post the details. (Serious posts only!)
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| | | 114 | Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Sun, Oct 12, 2008, 13:05
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Re #70 -
Just wondering if not having access to what picks each team has affects the keeper deadline being in a few days.
ESPN interface looks pretty sharp and the site seems very responsive/quick loading, FWIW.
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| | | 115 | Great One
ID: 56911412
Sun, Oct 12, 2008, 13:27
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While I still prefer Yahoo, ESPN is light years ahead of the NBA site. I think we have two solid choices at least now.
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| | | 116 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Oct 12, 2008, 14:54
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Yeah, as solid is Yahoo is for players, there is a reason our league switched after several years with Yahoo. Yahoo has done little to improve upon the reason we left it in the first place. None of us really liked NBA and their issues, but it had so much more than Yahoo and was better on several levels--though coming up short on others--esp to where we are now with them.
ESPN now has a myespn home page, the same thing Yahoo has. A one-stop shop for all of your teams. I am sold on it. In fact, if we can make it work for our other leagues, we need to do that as well. That is weird coming form me as I stopped using ESPN for a long time since it always crashed on me. I hated the site. It's been good in recent times though and the fact that they listen to their users (unlike CBS) and how they've made it so intuitive to use is key.
I'd be really surprised if some of your leagues using Yahoo weren't using ESPN by next season.
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| | | 117 | blue hen
ID: 599281215
Sun, Oct 12, 2008, 16:29
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RE: 112 attn Pacers Rule
That's incorrect. You can get live stats on any web-capable phone on any service. Did you talk to ESPN or to Verizon to get that information?
You can make moves only on Verizon phones (starting with hoops this year - previously it was only MVP users on V CAST).
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| | | 118 | Pacers Rule
ID: 195190
Sun, Oct 12, 2008, 21:06
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Blue Hen - that's great news, if I understand you right. Actually I spoke with both companies. I talked with Verizon twice and the second time I was inquiring about their "mobile TV" packages and they told me that ESPN MVP is only available in their Premium package which was $25 a month. I asked if at some point the ESPN MVP service would be available for use on a 'per megabyte' fee structure (which I currently used as opposed to paying $15 for VCAST and unlimited internet) and they told me 'probably not' because it was a premium service that they saw as continuing to be bundled with their higher end packages. I had asked earlier if the live fantasy stats feeds from ESPN were possible with any web-enabled phone or if it required ESPN MVP and the person I spoke with said it had to be an ESPN MVP enabled phone - and that this capability was bundled within the VCAST package on some phones. Was this person wrong?
And I wonder, when you say live stats, do you mean just plain old game box scores, or do you mean live standings in an ESPN fantasy league....like you can get on the web with Yahoo Stat-Tracker? I wish there was a place you could call to talk to someone at one company or the other where they could give you a straight answer on this stuff. I hate misinformation - esp. when I'm trying to choose a phone to buy based on that misinformation. Please explain if you know something different and esp. if there's a person I can talk to at one company or the other who can help guide me on buying a phone - and how much it will cost me to use/access this feature - if we do end up going with ESPN for this league.
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| | | 119 | blue hen
ID: 86502521
Sun, Oct 12, 2008, 21:20
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Yes, you can get your team's boxscore, head-to-head matchup, and league standings live (like StatTracker) on any web-enabled phone. In the fantasy section, the only value-add for ESPN MVP is roster moves (start/bench, add/drop, with the exact same rules as online).
I do recommend that you give ESPN MVP a look. You can do this with a five-use trial on any V CAST capable phone or just go into a Verizon store and ask them to show you; it'll be pre-loaded on most demo phones in the store. ESPN MVP is like the Mobile Web on steroids: scoreboards that connect directly to the stadium scoreboard (usually faster than TV), integrated contextual video, and more intricate gamecast experiences. For NBA, you can get a full shot chart by team or by player and a score graph showing the game's progress.
I'll admit that I'm a little biased, but if you're a sports fan, I would think it's worth a trip into your local Verizon store to check out.
[/shill]
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| | | 120 | Pacers Rule
ID: 195190
Sun, Oct 12, 2008, 23:54
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Well, that's a much better report than any of the people who were paid to give those answers could give :-) I probably just need to look for the phone with the largest display so I can read the tiny little stat lines. Strangely, all the Verizon phones that were available online that were ESPN MVP compatible had the smallish screens.
I thought I saw a new phone with actual HTML page loads. It had a larger screen but of course was a little saltier. I imagine any brand/network phone with HTML could use the live stats on the regular site.
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| | | 121 | Great One
ID: 497221412
Mon, Oct 13, 2008, 09:12
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Anyone with a Blackberry out there who can confirm if you can do lineup changes for your teams on them? Contemplating Blackberry Curve... Slizz?
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| | | 122 | Slizz
ID: 22813187
Mon, Oct 13, 2008, 10:52
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GO - Whats your service provider? They have the new BlackBerry Storm coming out for Verizon Wireless and I am holding off until than. It will/should have all the capabilities of the iPhone, but with the BlackBerry technology which I like. As for setting lineups, I can set it on Yahoo, but it is quite inefficient. I only use it as a last minute option if I have a "handcuff" who may start b/c of an injury. I have not tried ESPN yet.
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| | | 123 | Oopsy Daisy
ID: 30311814
Mon, Oct 13, 2008, 10:59
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re: 120
Pacers Rule, the MVP uses smaller fonts than a typical phone browser, so the small screen experience is still good. I use an LG 8300, which has a 176 wide screen (compared on an EnV, which is 320). And I have no complaints. Your best bet is to see it at the store.
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| | | 124 | Great One
ID: 2936213
Mon, Oct 13, 2008, 11:31
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I have Sprint - my window to make a switch is the month of November... so gotta really start researching. We get T-Mobile and Verizon discounts, so those are under consideration. Considering T-Mobile Google phone. As far as the browser portion goes, I want the one I can best do add/drops, lineup moves with.
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| | | 125 | Great One
ID: 2936213
Mon, Oct 13, 2008, 11:45
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Storm has no Wi-Fi which is curious.
The G1 Google phone does, and if I get T-Mobile I can get that data port for regular calls through my router as well (ala Vonage) for only 10 more per month.
I could drop my Cablevision phone line then as well and save some money on that sideRef - whats the plan if we don't recover draft picks? Perhaps get a list of those who knew they had extra high picks and give them supplemental (sandwich) picks or something like that?
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| | | 126 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Oct 13, 2008, 12:03
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I emailed CS again last night. I told them that he promised to at least have our keeper stuff back in (he was still huting for Const though since it was already migrated but several were still missing theirs). Most (if not all) of our trades in-season went through as draft pick trades successfully. So that is another way we can recover our picks. He hasn't responded yet.
My initial thought is to go with whatever we have from the threads that I posted earlier, plus any draft pick trade we could remember. Then if we found more or there is a discrepency later, the commishs would decide what to do in the best interest of the league. We might be able to fix them this year or if that's too late push it to next year. We really need those though because those trades don't happen w/o those picks. No one has posted or sent me any other traded picks, but I know there were more. At least one I was involved in with slizz where we actually swapped back our previous traded picks when I sent him Farmar.
I think today or tomorrow might be as long as we can go before saying, here is what we have for now, let's start our pre-keeper trading period and see if we need to alter the keper and/or draft dates because of this snag.
Would also like more people to actually look at ESPN and give us some feedback. It looks like only a half-dozen have actually logged onto the site. I only sent like 9 or 10 invites though. I'd like to make a definite determination on which site we use.
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| | | 127 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Mon, Oct 13, 2008, 12:23
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I still prefer one platform (Yahoo) to other games I play. It's simpler and easier, including logging into one site, position eligibility, rules of the site, etc..
That being said, I think ESPN is a fine second choice. I've used their site for years but stayed away from leagues because they used to cost money.
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| | | 128 | Great One
ID: 2936213
Mon, Oct 13, 2008, 12:47
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I agree with Mikes statement above, still prefer Yahoo layout, navigation, ease of use etc.
Also, I don't see my pseudo "team" listed on the ESPN site anymore, I was gonna poke around more.
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| | | 129 | Great One
ID: 2936213
Mon, Oct 13, 2008, 12:48
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I assume after a few more look through it we are having a vote of some sort?
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| | | 130 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 13, 2008, 12:48
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I'm willing to give ESPN a shot - in spite of several bad experiences with their platform in prior years. I'm presuming that most of the issues - which seemed to be mostly related to insufficient capacity to handle volume (during drafts, or peak activity times on Sundays for football) - have been resolved.
If we go to ESPN and it works out well, I would even consider migrating the RIHC there for the following year.
While Yahoo is a safe and known commodity, if there are features at ESPN that are useful for many (free live scoring, same day lineups for adds, cell access) and features that are useful for the commish (e.g., multiple commishes) - then if the Commish believes that ESPN offers a better alternative, I'm willing to support him.
It could be helpful to have a direct pipeline to the staff at ESPN as well. One occasional aggravation I've had with Yahoo is the inability to get anyone there to respond correctly to a question (or more accurately, to respond to the actual question asked).
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| | | 131 | Great One
ID: 2936213
Mon, Oct 13, 2008, 12:50
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Certainly talking to Blue Hen is a useful bonus. Can't believe I said that!
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| | | 132 | Great One
ID: 2936213
Mon, Oct 13, 2008, 12:50
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I mean Oopsy Daisy... :)
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| | | 133 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Oct 13, 2008, 12:56
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GO, you haven't joined our espn league from the invite I sent you. I'll try to re-invite...
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| | | 134 | Great One
ID: 2936213
Mon, Oct 13, 2008, 13:03
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I was in there poking around the other day... I don't know how that happened then.
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| | | 135 | rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Mon, Oct 13, 2008, 16:04
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I browsed around the ESPN site. It is fine with me.
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| | | 136 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Oct 13, 2008, 16:12
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re: 134 dunno. site doesn't have rfs as accepting invite either.
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| | | 137 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Mon, Oct 13, 2008, 16:12
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Did I get a notice?
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| | | 138 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Oct 13, 2008, 17:32
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I have now. Initially I just sent it to those who were posting about it, but after more requests, I went ahead and sent them all out.
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| | | 139 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Oct 13, 2008, 17:39
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NBA now has some alerts on their front page including:
Offline Drafts: Commissioners of private leagues will be able to begin entering offline draft results and Keepers beginning Tuesday evening.
No response to my latest email but they are also turing on live draft starting tonight, so perhaps they hae a plan to migrate what data they do have to the site. I think tomorrow night though might be as late as we can possibly wait. I'd like to get an email returned with more info as I wanted to have all the info I had now and open up draft pick trades asap. Still may depending on what, if anything happens tonight. I'll post here and send out a league email if we go that route.
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| | | 140 | Slackjawed Yokel
ID: 425869
Mon, Oct 13, 2008, 22:26
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spent a few minutes checking out ESPN, and it looks pretty slick. Have used it for a football league last couple of seasons, and I've already seen some things in hoops that I noticed were absent in football - mainly in the sartible stats.
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| | | 141 | Slizz
ID: 22813187
Tue, Oct 14, 2008, 08:58
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Any managers picking between #6 and #15, shoot me an email for that I want to make a deal to move up. I pick in the following slots: 1.16, 2.03, 4.03, 5.03, 6.03
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| | | 142 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Oct 14, 2008, 12:06
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I was going to go through every team from their draft rosters to their final rosters and see if I could figure out any more trades that might have involved draft picks--but it's just too much work. I've went through everything and have three traded picks (slizz and mine was taken off). I had thought there were like 5 trades or so. I was even thinking that I had made another trade, but I just can't remember. Slizz assures me we only made two deals.
So the only way we are going to remember is if NBA gets either our Const. or keeper info back and at this point we can't wait for them any longer. Those picks WILL NOT be lost if we find out later there are more--even if they have to go in for next season. But all attempts will be made to make them good for this year as originally agreed upon. To be honest, I have little faith in NBA or rotohog to get this resolved at this point so we need to get going. I will post the draft chart as we know it and then send an email out to everyone so we can start trading draft picks again.
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| | | 143 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Oct 14, 2008, 12:11
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| Pick | Round 1 | Round 2 | Round 3 | Round 4 | Round 5 | Round 6 | | 1 | Species | rfs | rfs | rfs | rfs | RSFluid | | 2 | B6 | tosh | tosh | GO | tosh | tosh | | 3 | rfs | slizz | slizz | slizz | slizz | slizz | | 4 | tosh | Species | Species | Species | Species | Species | | 5 | slizz | pd | pd | pd | pd | pd | | 6 | pd | B6 | B6 | RSFluid | B6 | B6 | | 7 | coyotes | coyotes | coyotes | coyotes | coyotes | coyotes | | 8 | Pacers Rule | Pacers Rule | Pacers Rule | Pacers Rule | Pacers Rule | Pacers Rule | | 9 | Pistol Pete | Pistol Pete | Pistol Pete | Pistol Pete | Pistol Pete | Pistol Pete | | 10 | Peter N | Peter N | Peter N | Peter N | Peter N | Peter N | | 11 | mike d | mike d | mike d | mike d | mike d | mike d | | 12 | guru | guru | guru | guru | guru | guru | | 13 | frick | frick | frick | frick | frick | frick | | 14 | yokel | yokel | yokel | yokel | yokel | yokel | | 15 | KF | KF | KF | KF | KF | KF | | 16 | RSFluid | B6 | RSFluid | RSFluid | rfs | RSFluid | | 17 | Twarpy | Twarpy | Twarpy | Twarpy | Twarpy | Twarpy | | 18 | Tosh | GO | GO | GO | GO | GO | | 19 | Ref | Ref | Ref | Ref | Ref | Ref | | 20 | bmd | bmd | bmd | bmd | bmd | bmd | | | | | | | | | traded pick | | | | | | | traded twice | | | | | | | | | | | | | 2-9 Tosh gets Great One's Round 1. GO gets Tosh's Round 4. | | | 2-16 RFS gets RSFluids 5th for his 6th | | | | | B6 gets RSFluids 2nd for his 4th | | | | | Slizz got Ref's 3rd for 6th in the Scola trade. Later swapped back in the Farmar deal | | | | | | | | | * If we later find that there were other traded picks, we will adjust | | | | | | | | | |
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| | | 144 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Tue, Oct 14, 2008, 12:15
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Ref, see 141. It appears Slizz has my 1st and I assume I have his 3rd.
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| | | 145 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Oct 14, 2008, 12:57
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OK. Done. Adding that now. THX.
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| | | 146 | beastiemiked
ID: 51913818
Tue, Oct 14, 2008, 13:17
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I logged onto the espn website but have no idea how to join the league. I have a username and browsed around our league but have no idea how to claim my team. username is beastiemiked.
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| | | 147 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Oct 14, 2008, 13:32
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That may have been what others have done. Did you click on the email invite? I am not sure how to get to the league w/o going through the email invite. I then bookmarked it.
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| | | 148 | Frick
ID: 23117516
Tue, Oct 14, 2008, 14:04
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It took me 15 minutes to figure out how to actually join the league also.
1. Click on the link in the e-mail from Ref.
2. At the bottom of that page click on the button that says to join the league. It doesn't appear anywhere else (that I was able to find.) You might have to scroll down (I did.)
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| | | 149 | barilko6
ID: 48563014
Tue, Oct 14, 2008, 14:11
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Yeah, if you click on the email invite, it takes you right to the league.
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| | | 150 | rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Wed, Oct 15, 2008, 09:40
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Any idea wen we are going to finalize keeper dates and draft time? I have to hit the road for 10 days and need to make some plans.
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| | | 151 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Oct 15, 2008, 12:40
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Good question, rfs. Guess we need some feedback.
First, I haven't found anything that would suggest that ESPN won't work for us. No one else has yet to find anything either. Though there are a few who still would rather go with Yahoo for one more year, ESPN works best for our league. I'm hopeful it's the last site we will ever need and it has a host of short and long-term features there that benefit our league and still striving to improve. The fact that ESPN is taking ownership instead of farming it out like NBA did is big. The pipeline to the head of the games--WHO LISTENS and has replied directly to me on the baseball site--is big. This is the first year ESPN would work for our league and I wouldn't want to go to it if I thought we'd be getting anything like we've experienced the last two seaosns in NBA.
rfs and Mike D are the only two not signed into our ESPN league. Mike D, do I need to send a
Second, Since we had a hold on trades involving draft picks until yesterday, I am open to moving the Keeper/draft dates back. Obviously, tomorrow is too soon. We're not going to have a vote, just hit me with some thoughts so I can make a decision. If we stay on schedule, the draft will start Sunday afternoon. Keepers would be due at least a day before that.
Having the draft start on Sun afternoon means that we would be unlikely to have to draft on Fri evening or Saturday. Pushing the draft back a day means we'd probably extend through Saturday. Remember, we'd need to imput keepers into ESPN and many of you want to then see those keepers and who is available to research before their draft. With a short per pick clock (3 Hrs) and a cumulative clock of like 8 hrs (will double check) it's important to have an idea where you're going so you can pick or league a queue when you're up.
With the ESPN rules, we have an extra day to get our draft in because you can use the FA/WW pickups on teh day you acquire them. So the latest possible date to start the league and allow at least one WW run is Sunday. So conceivably our draft could finish on Sunday and we could get it up that night.
Also rememebr that we get through several picks before the clock has started previously, but we also know that the first round picks are typically easier for our leagues and are made quickly.
My recommendation is that we either keep the draft on Sunday afternoon or start it no later than Monday. Keepers will be due the day before. We need to decide today and then I'll launch the keeper thread.
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| | | 152 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Oct 15, 2008, 12:41
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Mike D, do I need to co-own your team with your 2nd email again?
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| | | 153 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Oct 15, 2008, 12:45
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Still fielding offers for my players. I am open to 2 for 1s.
As of now, I'll be keeping one of the following:
Kirk Hinrich
Charlie Villanueva
Luis Scola
Ramon Sessions
Jamaal Tinsley
Shaquille O'Neal
Some will take big offers and some, not so big. If I had to decide today, I konw which one I'd keep and I'll likley not trade him unless it is a 2for1. But I guess it jsut depends on the offers.
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| | | 154 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Oct 15, 2008, 12:52
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I have talked to Guru about finances and we've got enough in our trophy fund that there will be no charges this year for the trophy. The only costs will be for the prize pool which is still $15. (PD does not participate).
Also, I do have a Constitution (which hasn't been updated in two years) on our G20/24 Web Site. I'll work on that to get it back to where it needs to be soon. That's also where our detailed rules will have to go again for now, but ESPN has some things that may allow a modified version of it.
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| | | 155 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Oct 15, 2008, 14:25
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In addition to PD, Mike D and Pistol Pete also do not participate in the prize pool. I'll be sending out payment instructions shortly (via email).
Pacers Rule - you will need to decide whether you want to join the pool or not. $15/year. Top six teams get prizes, ranging from $90-100 for the winner to $15 for 6th place. The only caveat is that you must decide now whether you are permanently in or permanently out. If you do not join the pool this year, you cannot join in a future year.
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| | | 156 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Oct 15, 2008, 14:53
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I just sent out the dues notice via the league email facility at ESPN. If you do not receive it, let me know and I'll send one to you directly.
Nine members have ample amounts on account from previous years (or baseball) to cover the dues. Three members do not participate in the pool. So, in addition to me, only 7 people need to send in prize pool dues this year (or 6, if PR opts out.)
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| | | 157 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Oct 15, 2008, 15:21
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Last notice for any new Rules/Procedure proposals...
We are going with ESPN as our new site and we are doing away with the traveling plaque and going with a customized bobblehead-type trophy that will be kept for whoever wins it.
If there are any other ideas, they need to be brought up asap.
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| | | 158 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Wed, Oct 15, 2008, 15:42
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Guru, that email (I think) says I'm not paid up, but I should be from last years hoops winnings.
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| | | 159 | Great One
ID: 497221412
Wed, Oct 15, 2008, 15:46
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2 things I've been batting around in my head that I think would be nice fits for the G20 leagues... I'll throw them out there and we can fine tune a proposal if there is any other support.
Proposal 1. The RIBC style leagues have inspired me some and I like the sound of a proposal where if you finish bottom 5 (or 3?) three full consecutive years -- that you are up for review.
And/or have a league vote on... is this manager improving the squad? attentive, contributing etc etc. Then perhaps you have a few definititve managers on the waiting list for comparisons sake.
Its kind of like Euro soccer leagues where you finish at the bottom, you get dropped to a lower division (tier?) whatever its called.
You wouldn't neccessarily have to get booted like those scenarios, but teams should always be looked at each year that are constantly struggling. And honestly, this includes me, cause I've finished bottom 5 two years in row in baseball we just wrapped up...
Proposal #2 Last place "penalty"
Have we ever considered a last place penalty in these $ leagues?
I've used this to great success in other leagues I commish. Its usually 10-20 bucks penalty to finish in last.
What it does is keep everybody active til the end (picture the bottom 3 teams duking it out last week for those couple extra points).
It makes sure the integrity of the league is upheld top to bottom and that the bottom 5 or so haven't just mailed it in.
One league I made it the amount of the Kafenatid draft (so last place simply pays for next years draft)...
I could even see just making the penalty the amount of that bobblehead trophy that 1st place will recieve (or whatever we decide).
I guess this would only be for teams in the prize pool though? on the "fine tune" checklist I guess...
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| | | 160 | barilko6
ID: 48563014
Wed, Oct 15, 2008, 15:53
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Hey, not sure if this has been brought up. If we move to ESPN, then I have some guys on my roster that lose position eligibility. (Based on ESPN's position listings)
I look at Yahoo, and my players are eligible, and at Rotohog they have it(or the old NBA league), but not at ESPN.
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| | | 161 | barilko6
ID: 48563014
Wed, Oct 15, 2008, 16:01
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Sorry, just rechecking, and I only lose eligibility from Yahoo, not NBA.com.
It would be worthwhile checking some of your dual position guys though...
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| | | 162 | rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Wed, Oct 15, 2008, 16:16
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RE: 151
I have received 4-5 invites and have repeatedly signed in.
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| | | 163 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Oct 15, 2008, 16:55
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162: rfs, make sure you enter OUR LEAGUE. Apparently it is at the bottom. It' only sends invites out to those who aren't in our league. Still shows you and Mike D as the two who aren't in.
161: Baseball is customizable. I thought NBA was too. I thought it was 5/10. BH is checking on it for us. When looking at the site, I took a few players who had dual positional elig. and compared them to NBA and they were the same.
Speaking of NBA, I just got this response from my email I sent several days ago about the keeper stuff:
Thank you for your email. We are in the process of getting all of this information back onto the site. We appreciate your patience and we apologize for the delay.
UFC Support
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| | | 164 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Oct 15, 2008, 17:21
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RSF [158] - you are correct. I am evidently dyslexic, as I confused rfs with RSF
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| | | 165 | Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Wed, Oct 15, 2008, 19:31
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Having no prior experience with this type of draft - are any past years' drafts posted anywhere so I can begin to formulate a game plan?
I'm leaning toward opting out of the fee/prize structure...but I'll mull it over some more since that requires an actual decision on my part.
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| | | 166 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Wed, Oct 15, 2008, 20:25
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Yeah well I didn't join because I thought it was "just to mess around" with ESPN. I'll do it later I guess.
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| | | 167 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Oct 16, 2008, 00:09
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RE: 165 They are in the Leagues forum. Just do a search for Gurupie 20 (some might have to use G20).
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| | | 168 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Oct 16, 2008, 00:42
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With no input, I'll make the executive decision on keepers.
Keepers due by 1:00 pm ET on Saturday Oct. 18th.
Draft clock will start at 1:00 on Sunday Oct. 19th.
I am not sure when I'll be able to get to entering the keepers on Sat or readying the site to start the season. Am going to see what we need to do as far as entering keeps and starting waivers etc.
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| | | 170 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Oct 16, 2008, 01:50
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Keeper Thread is up.
Trying to figure out the draft situation on ESPN. Looks like for offline drafts they have a system set up where we can enter those results but we must fill the entire lineup. Also see where we can edit waivers, but not start waivers manually. My guess is they would start once we entered offline results. But we don't want to do that because we want to show FAs (draft eligible players) while we draft. Not sure if a commish or each manager would need to add players. The question has been sent to ESPN via BH. My guess is that it won't matter but then undrafted players may not be automatically on waivers like we're used to. Hope that's not the case but it won't kill us either.
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| | | 171 | Slizz
ID: 22813187
Thu, Oct 16, 2008, 11:04
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Thanks to all who got back to me about potentially moving up. I have 5 solid keepers and a bunch of fringe guys (i.e. the Jordan Farmar(s) of the world). If anybody has some quality guys who they cant afford to keep and would like to make a deal to move up in the draft, give me a shout!
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| | | 172 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Oct 16, 2008, 12:10
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Getting some answers from ESPN...
*position eligibility is "by ESPN discretion"
*You can't add players during the draft. Still trying to figure out the best way to do things. They will have a slow-draft on ESPN next season.
more to come...
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| | | 173 | Great One
ID: 389281515
Thu, Oct 16, 2008, 13:00
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Yeah, like when Tim Duncan starts the ASG as a "Center" and he didn't play there all year... thats a bit ambiguous.
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| | | 174 | barilko6
ID: 48563014
Thu, Oct 16, 2008, 13:09
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I am looking to move my very high 3rd round pick for a 6th keeper. Send me the list of guys you would part with for the 6th pick in the 3rd round.
I could be tempted to move the 16th pick in the 2nd round for a good keeper, or the 6th pick in the 2nd round for a very nice keeper, but most likely will be holding onto the higher second round pick.
Send me your available guys!
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| | | 175 | barilko6
ID: 48563014
Thu, Oct 16, 2008, 16:44
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RFS, check your email, sent you a reply
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| | | 176 | barilko6
ID: 48563014
Thu, Oct 16, 2008, 17:04
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TRADE
Barilko Gives:
Pick # 2 and Pick # 26 (Second Round)
RFS Gives:
Pick # 3 and Pick # 21 (Second Round)
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| | | 177 | rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Thu, Oct 16, 2008, 17:06
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#176 confirmed
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| | | 178 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Oct 16, 2008, 17:17
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Everyone on the Noodlers is up for trade.
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| | | 179 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Thu, Oct 16, 2008, 17:18
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Who are the noodlers?? I could use some boards.
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| | | 182 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Oct 16, 2008, 17:28
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Re: 176
I misread that trade at first.
To clarify it is 1.02 and 2.06
For
1.03 and 2.01
So rfs jsut drops back 5 spots to get one of the dynamic 2? Pretty damn good deal for him!
Trade approved.
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| | | 183 | barilko6
ID: 48563014
Thu, Oct 16, 2008, 18:07
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Could I have gotten more? Maybe, but things are moving and shaking, and I might be close to announcing a second follow up trade...
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| | | 184 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Oct 16, 2008, 20:13
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The likely 3rd pick isn't bad either B6. His role is more nebulous though.
I'm a little surprised I haven't moved ANY of my guys but I guess people are testing the waters for value right now as the actual offers have been mcuh lower than anticipated. Other players have drawn interest but no offers.
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| | | 185 | Species
ID: 2931173
Fri, Oct 17, 2008, 04:37
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Trade announcement:
beastiemiked gets:
Species' 4.04
Species gets:
Anthony Parker
bmd's 6.20
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| | | 186 | barilko6
ID: 58133021
Fri, Oct 17, 2008, 08:23
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I actually have a dynamic 3 in mind, someone who is flying under the radar. I think I might have been able to trade down a bit more and still get him, but I wanted to make sure.
If I had stayed at the 2 spot, I probably would have still selected him, so I was just trying to get anything that would give me some sort of an upgrade.
The real question for me I guess, is could I have coaxed a little more out of RSF? I don't think he would have given me his 2nd for my 3rd. I could be wrong there. But when it comes down to upgrading 3rd, or 5th round picks 5 spots, I didn't think it was that much of a missed value when talking about picks that late.
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| | | 187 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Oct 17, 2008, 10:09
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185 approved
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| | | 188 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Fri, Oct 17, 2008, 11:21
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barilko6, its OK to admit you want Dez Mason at 1.03.
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| | | 189 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Oct 17, 2008, 12:43
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So no opinions on GO's proposals in 159?
Also, Keepers are due in less than 24 hours.
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| | | 190 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Fri, Oct 17, 2008, 13:02
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Looking to move guys like Udrih, Yi, Haslem for picks.....
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| | | 191 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Oct 17, 2008, 17:32
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Trade Announcement
PR gets
Scola and 6.19
Ref gets
4.08
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| | | 192 | Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Fri, Oct 17, 2008, 23:10
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191 Confirmed
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| | | 193 | rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Sat, Oct 18, 2008, 10:01
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re: 159. I'd vote no on each prop. We already have a review system in place to make sure managers are active and attempting to improve. if not, they are asked to leave the league.
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Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Oct 18, 2008, 10:43
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Well if a proposal doesn't have enough support, it doesn't even go to a vote.
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Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Oct 18, 2008, 11:25
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Trade Announcement
Ref gets
3.06 2008
4th rounder 2009
B6 gets
5.19 2008
6th rounder 2009
Hinrich
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| | | 196 | barilko6
ID: 58133021
Sat, Oct 18, 2008, 11:28
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Confirm
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Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Sat, Oct 18, 2008, 12:21
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KF - trade offer sent. Did you get it?
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| | | 198 | KnicksFan
ID: 188563018
Sat, Oct 18, 2008, 13:00
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I'll check now...
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Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Sat, Oct 18, 2008, 13:01
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Posting keeper list ASAP
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| | | 201 | KnicksFan
ID: 188563018
Sat, Oct 18, 2008, 13:02
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I accept the trade if we aren't too late...sorry!
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Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Sat, Oct 18, 2008, 13:02
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good with me, I'll remove previous announcement
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Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Sat, Oct 18, 2008, 13:04
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KF, care to post it while I post my keeper list?
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Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Oct 18, 2008, 13:04
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Re: 199
I'll allow that trade that was made at 1:00. A few seconds later then my hands would have been tied!!! :) GO emailed me that if PR posted that trade in time to confirm it for him. So that trade is approved. I have got to eat lunch but will be back in a few mins to pos tth ekeepers for the teams who haven't posted yet.
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Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Oct 18, 2008, 13:06
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Sorry, the first trade with GO is the one I have to take. It's past the keeper deadline anyhow.
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Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Sat, Oct 18, 2008, 13:07
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Ok, well, no one can't say we didn't milk our full time!
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| | | 207 | KnicksFan
ID: 188563018
Sat, Oct 18, 2008, 13:07
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ahhh sorry PR, I guess I should have checked my email sooner!
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Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Sat, Oct 18, 2008, 13:09
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I guess so, you FREAK
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Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Sat, Oct 18, 2008, 13:12
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OK, so, as I said before, the *&%@# trade announcement is:
Pacers Rule gets:
Chris Wilcox
GO's 6.18 pick
Great One gets:
PR's 5.08 pick
;-)
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| | | 210 | KnicksFan
ID: 188563018
Sat, Oct 18, 2008, 13:28
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hahaha
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Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Oct 18, 2008, 13:44
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OK, as soon as I can figure out who hasn't posted their keeps (looks like one manager), i'll post them and get a mod to clean up some things. Some also forgot to post their drops and several guys like to look back in this thread to see who didn't keep certain players.
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| | | 212 | Perm Dude
ID: 189181713
Sat, Oct 18, 2008, 13:46
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Posting in a moment. Sorting out the last two guys.
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Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Oct 18, 2008, 13:59
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I just figured out it was PD lol. I didn't notice that Slizz had his post deleted and was trying to figure out who else was missing. Please post quickly PD as it's about an hour past the deadline.
I haven't gotten an answer back about starting WW. My guess is that it can only happen if we put all 12 in at once. Even thought about using Kafenatid, but I think how I want to try to do it is manullay add one player a time to all the teams. Not use their offlien draft tool at all. Then allow us to pick up players as normal. Then once we make sure everything is good to go, set a time when the players will be open to pick up. We will still use the WW, but it would be fro dropped players if we can't start it manually. Have already been assuerd their slow draft will be ready to go by next season. They also have a keeper setting but only on certain time sthus far so it doesn't help us. I'll play around with things this afternoon as I'm trying to get this thing ready.
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Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Oct 18, 2008, 14:17
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Re: 206
It doesn't matter what time the Keepers are due, there are ALWAYS last minute deals. I'm shocked there weren't higher picks being traded.
If Charlei V didn't look so good last night I might have switched back to Hinrich after his 7 dimes from the 2 last night. But in the end, I just think that CV will shine more than Hinrich. Now if Rose goes down or Kirk gets moved or CV doesn't produce, it could be a big mistake. I just wanted the dimes from Kirk and I don't think it will get many on a regular basis. 3s and scoring should go way up though.
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Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Sat, Oct 18, 2008, 14:27
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I tell you what, Ref, when the Bulls played the Pacers at the Ft. Wayne Colliseum, There was a clear difference between Hinrich and Rose, in favor (way in favor) of Hinrich. He played with confidence and the whole team seemed to run much more efficiently. Rose is more athletic but just didn't have the leadership or knowledge to run the team yet. It will be interesting to see how the process goes in Chicago and I'm sure they will give Rose time so he can develop, but he's just not ready yet. Maybe later in the season he could come on and maybe even challenge for the starting job, but he has a ways to go and Hinrick is ready to go now.
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Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Oct 18, 2008, 14:43
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I agree. I only saw Rose play or a little bit but wsan't impressed. There are some othe rookies, albeit this is preseason, who have really surprised me with their play. I mean I am shocked by it. But I think Rose is the real deal and will be very very good soon. Just not sure the definitition of soon with him. I do konw that the Bulls will throw him into the fire though and say here ya go!
Guru was kind enough to edit the Keeper thread for us. I have had feedback from a few who look back on it throughout the draft/season to see who had/dropped players as well as keepers for future years.
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Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Oct 18, 2008, 16:25
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Well ESPN made me enter an offline draft. I added the keepers and compelted it. It was allowed. Now all plaeyrs are on waivers through until Monday. i would rather not have to go through every team and do this again after the draft to get waivers turned on again, but that is one way to do it. For draft picks made before Monday a commish can also add them manually.
So as of now I think this is how our draft will have to go.
1. Make picks in our draft thread and really check hard to make sure your player hasn't already been selected.
2.Go to ESPN and pick him up starting on Monday (commish will get around to picking them up before that).
If we decide that waivers need to be turned on, we may need every team to post their entire rosters to make it easier. I also might recruit a a few guys to help me input all 12 players into offline draft thread (Erases all previous activity). The latter is probably the best way to do it--albeit more work. This will help managers drafting by knowing what player is available and confirm their position.
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Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Oct 18, 2008, 16:28
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Also, if we can manually restart waivers then that would save a lot of itme. Also not worried about the waiver order until we get ready to start the season.
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Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Oct 18, 2008, 16:50
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OK. Researching more and waivers is not cutomizeable so what I stated before is correct at this point. Everything else looks good. You can search FAs now to help you draft and you can see who has been taken by going to rosters (or draft recap for Keepers).
I'm going to get this draft open today so we can get a few untimed picks off the board. I figure that most of the top picks already have an idea who you're taking anyhow and the rest of us can research while those picks are coming off.
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| | | 220 | beastiemiked
ID: 51913818
Sat, Oct 18, 2008, 17:48
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Let's get the draft up and start going!
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| | | 221 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Oct 18, 2008, 18:45
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I was working on it. ;)
08-09 Draft Thread is now up.
The Draft Discussion Thread is also up. We will now move all of our discussion to that thread.
Remember the clocks don't start until tomorrow at 1:00 ET.
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| | | 222 | Peter N.
ID: 499310
Sat, Oct 18, 2008, 18:51
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Slizz, don't take my player. ;-)
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