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Subject: Gurupie 20 2008-09 Season 7 Discussion

Posted by: Ref - Donor [539581218] Sat, Oct 25, 2008, 12:02

Draft Thread

Draft Discussion

Preseason Discussion

Keeper Declarations

ESPN League Site

Our draft has concluded. As a reminder, no pickups will be allowed until Noon ET on Sunday. If you have a WW pick, EMAIL me BY 11:00 ET on Sunday morning.

WW order is set. I will manually change it if I have any WW to run before the draft opens.

Also, some like to evaluate or talk about the draft or their picks. Feel free to do so in this thread.

Thanks again for a great draft and best of luck to everyone. We're underway!

Great One
ID: 56911412
Sat, Oct 25, 2008, 16:14

I don't get why Udrih was such a shocking pick, he's A LOT better option than all those other rookies picked after the first few... just ask the Brandan Wright and Acie Law owners from last year.

Udrih has proven to be a good player with very good %'s and his counting stats will only improve with Bibby gone the full season. I think it was one of the better picks of the first round.

rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Sat, Oct 25, 2008, 20:56

Not much going on so I'll pose a few Q's for discussion:

1. Who had the best overall supplemental draft?

2. What was the single best "value" pick in the SD?

3. What first rounder is most likely to hit the WW by the ASB?

4. What player will contribute the most of the round 6 players?

5. Whose team will be the "most improved" this year (IE move from 15th to 3rd.. or whatever)?

My answers:

1. Other than my own draft, I like what Species did.
2. 2.04 Russell Westbrook -- I'd have gladly taken him at 2.06.
3. Tough call here, but I'll say J.R. Smith
4. 6.19 Marcus Banks
5. Species. Good draft plus returning healthy roster.

Any other draft comments out there?

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 11:33

As expected, there were no WW requests.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 12:00

Any trades for draft picks need to also be posted in our thread so the league can consider then when allowing it or not. I have no info on draft picks for this latest trade but based on what I know, there has to be some form of draft pick trade as that was teh trade at the end of the draft.

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 16:39

1. Me...thats easy...but I also like a lot of bmd, KnicksFans and GO's picks.
2. Me again...Spencer Hawes...well, atleast for the first 5 games.
3. Gonna be Moon, Ridnour or Sean Williams, if it happens.
4. Bassy or Green.
5. Not me...I'm gonna "Pull a Twarpy".

My Fav Picks by Round:
1. Brewer at 1.14. Gonna lead league in steals.
2. Gooden at 2.01. Lotso nice talent in the round.
3. Tony Allen at 3.08.
4. Goran Dragic at 4.18. Should be interesting to watch.
5. Shaun Livingston at 5.18. A steal later in season.
6. Gerald Green at 6.15. Looking pretty dynamic in preseason. Might be a nice fit in a running Dallas scheme...but this isn't Nellie ball anymore.

Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 16:46

Needing to 'fix' the trade between GO and PR at the end of the draft. It was based on a misunderstanding. The original trade was as I originally posted it, not with the 2009 picks reversed. Basically we've been working together with Ref's oversight to try to get this rectified, and on my suggestion/request GO picked up Mo Pete today for that purpose- to trade him to me for Goran Dragic and to switch the picks back to their original 2009 holders. Unfortunately he was not able to drop Banks to do it (whom he took with my 6.19) so he dropped Livingston instead. I suppose a final correction/rememdy could be for him to drop Banks and pick up Livingston again when he's able if that is what folks feel is necessary. I don't really care. I just don't want anyone to get hurt on this if at all possible - and also to get it behind us and move forward. It was a simple mistake anyone of us could have made if in too big of a hurry.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 18:03

wtf?!?!

You can't drop a player involved in a trade. You made this trade but didn't send me or post anythign about swapping draf tpicks--which I have emailed. Therefore the league is voting on the deal as is--WITHOUT PICKS. Now players are dropped to fix things? Just post the draft pick trades as you had talked about. You can't make a trade then discuss the picks later.

In a nutshell, in the draft PR offerd a trade to GO, he accepted it and confirmed. Then later he said, wait the picks should be the other way around. PR says no way, I would have never made it. So they asked me about it. They originally wanted me to undo it and allow him to redraft someone after the draft was over. i said can't do it. So then they wanted to trade the guys back maybe a little lwoer pick the followingy ear for the misudnerstanding. Hell at this point, a complete reversal is fine since it wasn't collusion and a complete misunderstanding.

Bit now everything is screwed up. They mad ea deal w/o picks at all and it went through on ESPN. Then no picks went with it. None posted even. Now GO is dropping players trying to make it right sicne he can't drop the guy involved in the trade. You guys are making an easy process difficult! ;) Just post the freaking picks and confirm it!

Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 18:45

Plain and simple:
No picks swapped in 2009 - or swapped back from what was swapped in the draft day trade if you want to say that original trade stands- I want Mo Pete, he doesn't get to keep Banks. Can't get any simpler than that. How should we go about getting it done?

Sorry for the complication. I guess we didn't think about the pending trade when we thought we had solved the problem by him picking up Mo Pete to swap back for that *(&(& Phoenix PG whose name I can never remember. I did not anticipate GO complicating things by dropping Livingston instead of Banks. So I guess everyone needs to go onto the site and veto the pending trade between myself and GO, so we can propose the trade we really want to fix things? And I'm not sure what folks want to do about Livingston and Banks. I think probably everyone just needs to leave Livingston alone until he clears Waivers, and then GO will need to drop Banks and pick Livingston back up.

Maybe nobody cares b/c these are such loser players anyway, LOL. Still, it's a pain in the backside and I'd just as soon have GO read his trade offers more carefully in the future ;-)

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 19:00

PR and GO have both asked me to veto the trade and ESPN has an LM review as well as a league review which allows me to do so (I just found out). So I have vetoed it. Hope this helps matters! ;)

If you make another trade, you ened to include the draft picks reversed of what you already have. Hopefully that will solve things for you guys.

Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 19:25

Ok, I think we may have figured this out. I proposed to GO that we complete the following trade:
PR gets:
Mo Pete
My own 2009 fifth round pick which I had previously traded to GO in the first ill fated Goran Dragic trade

GO gets:
Goran Dragic
His own 2009 third round pick back...see above.

After this deal goes through, we should be completely squared away - assuming of course that GO is ok with the fact that in this process he's effectively dropped Livingston and picked up Banks. I should have learned by now not to assume.....

Great One
ID: 298238
Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 09:36

I love that all my picks are showing up in the the reviews...

GO acquires GO's 3rd Round pick from PR and Goran Dragic
PR acquires PR's 5th Round pick from GO and Morris Peterson

I agreed to a trade because I thought I was gaining value next year of two rounds for trading a 4th round guy (see post 5) into the last pick of the draft this season. I emailed an offer over with that layout... for whatever reason, the counter offer came back with the opposite. So the offer was him moving up this season AND moving up next season. So obviously I didn't want that cause why would I give up two rounds next season to move into the last pick of the draft, when I could just add any of those players for free?

Sorry for the confusion Ref.

Great One
ID: 298238
Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 09:37

Yeah, and for some reason - discussion, picks, trade talk doesn't show up anywhere on the website when reviewing the trade, only in the email you get. So thats why posted above.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 10:27

Still awaiting prize pool dues from Coldwater Coyotes, Slackjawed Yokel, and and slizz. (If the "check's in the mail", please let me know.)

Everyone else is paid up. Thanks.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 12:58

11: See how easy that was? ;)

1: Only 9 people have voted on the site. I was surprised by all three picks, but I voted the biggest surprise was the JR Smith pick. Now we know when he gets time he can have some games where he just kills the 3. He can get you maybe 7 in a game. Then he goes 3 or 4 games doing nothing. As long as he's in Karl's doghouse, he's not going to get a lot of run--barring injuries.

I think the surprises are becase there are so many quality rooks for teams to build around at that point. Time will tell how good any of our picks were. Just because they look good or bad on paper doesn't mean they will once the season starts. I enjoy when people go "off the charts" and go with their gut--esp. when it works out. Those "educated reaches" can make you look like a genius...or a fool! ;) We all know how Peter's Boston pick worked out last year (or lack thereof) maybe it's time for redemption this time!

2: I haven't really went through the whole draft yet, but I'd like to put in my two cents so I'll start looking at that stuff soon. I enjoy reading other's comments.

beastiemiked
ID: 51913818
Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 16:09

1. Who had the best overall supplemental draft?

I think with his lack of high picks RSF had the best value picks. Species 1-2 combo is pretty sick.

2. What was the single best "value" pick in the SD?

Westbrook at 2.04 could be a steal. Hawes in round 4 is looking pretty good. I think Darko and his blocks could be a steal at 3.20. Speights at 4.20 is a rookie that is very intriguing. Eddie House at 6.03 should be solid if Boston finally gives him more minutes. Was shocked that Gibson was still around at 5.20. Redick could be sleeper if he can put stats besides points and 3ptms.

3. What first rounder is most likely to hit the WW by the ASB?

Bayless could be in trouble. Portland has a lot of young talent and he could get buried. After that probably Beno, Ridnour, Smith, or Bell.

4. What player will contribute the most of the round 6 players?

From a fantasy perspective I think Eddie House has some upside. He puts up huge 3ptm stats and isn't too terrible in most of the other categories. He'll be a really good spot starter and I think you can't ask for much more from a 6th rounder.

KnicksFan
Sustainer
ID: 030815418
Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 16:59

FYI: On the site it looks like the max games are set at 720 for all positions combined, but it isn't listing each position separately.

Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 17:33

#11 Well, at least we generated some activity, even if it basically amounted to a hill of beans. Whether we generated interest is another matter. I think we got Ref's attention, though, LOL!!!

beastiemiked
ID: 51913818
Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 18:51

My general draft strategy was NOT to select a rookie in the 1st few rounds. One thing I've learned the past few drafts is 1st year players rarely contribute meaningful stats. The large majority that do are top 10 draft picks and wouldn't be around for my 1st pick.

That said, if I had to redo my pick I'd almost surely pick a handful of rookies of Raja Bell. I selected Bell because I desperately needed 3ptm. The WW never has guys that are 1 category monsters. However, there were a ton of 3 point specialists available later in the. I got Gibson at 5.20 and he might turn out a better fantasy player than Bell.

Peter N.
ID: 499310
Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 22:35

J.R. Smith - 6th Man of the Year. You heard it here first. ;-)

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 00:12

...and last.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 00:19

16: Several have commented on that and I can see why. But here is the setting in the LM:

GAME START LIMIT RULES (Limits)
Limit Games Played to 90 per slot

I should probably send a note to bh to double check this though as the limit looks funny when you see the 720. But 720 is a number the game generated on its own.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 00:21

I also found this on that page: For more information see the Roster Settings help page or contact Customer Care at 1-888-549-ESPN.

Great One
ID: 298238
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 11:51

Trade Blocks on ESPN are very nice. I suggest everybody get in there and update.

Myself, I threw Kevin Martin and Mike Miller (and my 1st and 2nd round picks next year) on the block for PF/C that gets some blocks...

barilko6
ID: 58133021
Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 20:51

Drew Gooden in the starting lineup at Center AND has the first offensive play drawn up for him. Nice.

barilko6
ID: 48563014
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 12:45

Because this will be the only day that I will be able to do this...

It feels great to be in first place!!! And this after a terrible night from the franchise, LaMarcus!

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 15:53

I got an automated email from espn today, titled "Gurupie 20 E-mail Report". When I open it up, and scroll past all of the canned ESPN links, the message is

We're Sorry

An error has occurred while processing your request.

That's useful!

beastiemiked
ID: 51913818
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 16:43

When did we up the max games to 90?

barilko6
ID: 58133021
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 16:49

Damn...will you guys stop complaining and bask in my first placeness for at least a couple minutes?!?!

barilko6
ID: 58133021
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 16:49

90 games now? Hmm...looks like more adds coming up from us all now!

beastiemiked
ID: 51913818
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 16:50

Just found it. Last year. Guru's new hide the 1st 100 posts blocked it out.

Makes me sad that we passed that one. 8 out of the 18 managers that voted didn't want it. Our bench is already fairly shallow and now there's almost no reason to bench a mediocre player since injuries will almost surely handcuff teams that do this early in the season.

Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 19:00

[26] Well, I'd say that's a small amount of progress over TSN. At least ESPN is admitting they've made an error.

[27] Sounds like the 8 may want a recount. I think I know which group Mike D voted with! What happened to the other 2 would-be voters? Did Mike D snuff them out?

rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 22:22

I'm pretty sure Shaq is worth 17/11 and a few blocks /assists each night. I drafted him with the intent that the contenders may need those stats at C.

So, send offers for the big man now if you think you are a top 5 team. Go big, or go home.

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Wed, Oct 29, 2008, 23:43

Going into the season with only Oden and Hilario at Center, I was hoping I would be able to fill 90 games between them. Now I'm hoping to get 70.

Dez Mason still available. Even for Shaq.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Oct 30, 2008, 10:27

Re: 30

bmd, I wouldn't mind being a little sad like you!

If you want an email sent to you with results or logos etc, go into your team settings.

Last night the updated individual player live scoring were updated right.

PD still hasn't been able get into ESPN since his initial log in. I gave him the phone number but he hasn't been able to call them yet. I sent him an invite to the second owner of his own team to his other email address just trying to get him logged in.

I knew my assists wouldn't be very good coming into this year--but am really surprised my FGP is so bad. Doing better than expected in other cats though.

Great One
ID: 298238
Thu, Oct 30, 2008, 10:46

You'd think I'd get at least one trade offer for a top young keeper like Kevin Martin for a rebounder type... but no! geesh...

barilko6
ID: 58133021
Thu, Oct 30, 2008, 11:06

Hey...is anyone having problems with the ESPN site?

With firefox it won't let me click any of the links, and when using AOL its 40/40/20. 40% of the time I click a link it freezes me up and I need to reboot AOL, 40% of the time when I click a link it takes me back to the ESPN homepage, and 20% of the time it actually works.

Is this an isolated problem for me?

Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Oct 30, 2008, 11:32

I have had no problems with the ESPN league site using Firefox.

Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Thu, Oct 30, 2008, 16:14

Same here, or IE for that matter.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Oct 31, 2008, 09:54

[13] dues update. Slackjawed Yokel is now paid up. Still awaiting payment CC, Frick, and slizz. (I inadvertantly left Frick's name off the post in 13)

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Nov 01, 2008, 18:03

New Toy!

As some of you know, I produce a program that tracks and calculates RIHC standings using stats over a range of dates, or using per-game averages. This year, I refitted that program to work with G20 standings as well.

Here is the link:
http://rotoguru1.com/hoop/G20.html

To manipulate the stats (over a date range or per game), click on the "split standings by date" link.

I did some preliminary testing, and it seem to be working. Let me know if you see something that looks incorrect.

Note 1: If there are any stat changes related to prior dates, they will be reflected in the stats on the date that the change is processed. For example, one of my players had a stat correction for Wednesday included in this morning's standings. So if I run the split stats for Friday only, they will include not only the actual stats produced on Friday, but also the Wednesday adjustment.

Note 2: the "one week ago" link won't work until the season is a week old.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Nov 03, 2008, 12:08

Have we confirmed that the GP limits are only applied in aggregate this year, and not by position? If so, there's no reason to worry about keeping individual position GPs in balance.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Nov 03, 2008, 12:12

I ask, because on the league settings page, it says "Limit All Players to 720 games played -- 90 average games per slot". And nowhere do I see GP per slot monitored - so I'm assuming that these are only tracked and limited in aggregate.

Great One
ID: 21014311
Mon, Nov 03, 2008, 12:14

That chart looks pretty awesome Guru.

Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Mon, Nov 03, 2008, 17:21

That's why he's da Guru.

I love the G20 adaptation. And I always have used it in RIHC.

Kudos, big guy.

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Tue, Nov 04, 2008, 11:27

Is there anyway to pull up actual player pages when you click on a player name, instead of those crappy popup windows with player info?

Great One
ID: 21014311
Tue, Nov 04, 2008, 11:38

After that window pops up, you gotta click on "player card" for their full page.

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Tue, Nov 04, 2008, 11:43

Many thanks!

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Nov 04, 2008, 13:46

[40] That rocks.

[41] In the settings you can only put in how many gmaes PER active player slot. I put in 90. The game shows it as 720, an aggregate of all 8 active slots. I asked bh about it. Need to check with him again, but even though it shows 720, it should be 90 per slot since that is how it was put in, not as an aggregate.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 09:02

[41] & [48] - I'll bet it is an aggregate limit. Even though you put it in as 90 per slot, I'll bet they just use that as the basis to calculate the aggregate amount.

The fact that it now says "90 average games per slot" seems to confirm that. Also, the fact that there seems to be no GP tracking by slot.

Question: do we really care? With 3 utility slots out of 8 active slots, it's not as though a "per slot" or "per position" limitation really imposes a tighter limitation. It just requires that we pay attention to the slot/position totals in order to optimize the limits. Therefore, I think that an aggregate limit might actually be preferable.

Second question: I wonder how limits are applied on the day that the max is reached? For example, if the limit is 720 total GP, and a team has 729 going into the final day with 8 players active, would all 8 be counted? If not, which would be included, and which discarded?

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 09:43

[49] bh seems to think that it may be aggregate too. Asked him to confirm

Obviously youmeant 719 going into the final day. Every game I've ever played has always counted all games that day, but you just never know for sure until it happens. Another question for bh. ;)

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 10:20

Yes, 719.

I've played in formats where they just start at the top of the roster and work down until the limit is reached. So assume nothing.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 10:27

[39] Dues harassment alert

Frick and Slizz:
You have not yet paid your prize pool dues of $15. I have sent you each two emails with payment instructions. I have posted notices here several times. Yet I have received nothing from either of you - nor have I heard from either of you with any excuses or even an acknowledgment that you are aware of your obligation.

I'd really like to put this to bed ASAP. Everyone else has followed through.

The initial dues notice indicated that in the event of nonpayment, I reserved the right to "hound you privately and ridicule you publicly". Consider this the latter!

Great One
ID: 21014311
Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 11:53

Anyone interested in tickets for Pistons @ Nets on Friday night, let me know. FREE

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 12:26

[53] G.O. - email inquiry sent

blue hen
ID: 299161612
Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 12:59

Re: [49] and [51]

Correct, they added "average" at Ref's suggestion.

On the last day, all of your stats count. If you're at 819, you can finish at 829 if you have 10 players playing with an 820 limit.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 14:03

[39] Payment just received from Slizz. Frick is the only delinquency now.

KnicksFan
Sustainer
ID: 030815418
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 10:40

Great One ... I got that offer yesterday also, was about to pick up 6 tickets in good seats for the Nets/Hawks game next Friday when I got called into a meeting. 30 minutes later the offer was gone! Oh well, it's just the Nets.

Great One
ID: 42102515
Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 10:46

Sent it to Guru, hopefully they were able to come up with some freebies.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Nov 07, 2008, 13:22

[52] dues received from Frick. All are now paid up. Thanks.

Great One
ID: 42102515
Fri, Nov 07, 2008, 14:58

There is no Action Field to set my lineup using Chrome right now... strange.

Great One
ID: 3110581210
Mon, Nov 17, 2008, 12:45

I've left myself a bit (a lot?) too many players on the Jazz...
like 5 of them or something haha... anyone with similar players want to work on something for one of Okur or AK-47?

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Wed, Nov 19, 2008, 12:05

Is there a place to see what players have done what for my team (stats and games played wise)?

Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Thu, Nov 20, 2008, 16:45

Anyone awake out there?

Slizz
ID: 4710371415
Mon, Nov 24, 2008, 10:39

Pacers Rule - HI!

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Mon, Nov 24, 2008, 11:03

None of my players are.

Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Mon, Nov 24, 2008, 21:10

Amazing, that only took four days.

Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Tue, Nov 25, 2008, 00:41

It's a 20 team league.....have patience.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Nov 26, 2008, 11:01

This Mobley thing is killing me. Ridnour's "scraped knee" is hurting badly too. Perkins roller coaster ride hasn't been all that fun. McD and Carter had to go. I was pretty happy with my lineup at the start of the season but NBA trades has really hurt me.

rockafellerskank
ID: 4610232612
Wed, Nov 26, 2008, 13:24

Ahhh yes, the woes of the 1st place team. I have no idea how you survive. :)

rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Wed, Nov 26, 2008, 16:46

GURU trades Sebastian Telfair, Min PG to skank
rfs trades Quentin Richardson, NY SF to Guru

*trade includes Guru's #2 next year to rfs for my #4.

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Nov 26, 2008, 16:47

Trade announcement

RFS gets Sebastian Telfair and Guru's #2 pick in 2009

Guru gets Quentin Richardson and RFS's #4 pick in 2009

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Nov 26, 2008, 17:21

Re: 69 ;)

It's amazing. I had horrible injuries last year that cost me the title. I know I can get it done, but these stupid moves totally kill any strategy you have made.

rfs on treo
ID: 3441798
Thu, Nov 27, 2008, 09:49

peter n can you post the draft picks involved in the shaq for walllace trade. I don't have acceess to my pc and the draft picks don't show up in the trade accepted email. thanks.

Peter N.
ID: 4910362617
Thu, Nov 27, 2008, 10:20

rfs, check your e-mail. I misread your initial proposal so there is no accepted trade right now.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Dec 03, 2008, 13:48

Nice to be back in first after taking a day hiatus. Going to have to do something with my team with all these games missed starting to catch up with me. Looking for steals and FGP.

Slizz
ID: 4710371415
Fri, Dec 05, 2008, 09:31

My whole team is on the block.

Its really frustrating that season after season I end up with a myriad of injuries.

Parker with his ankle sprain followed by Maggette going down followed by Bogut & Pietrus going down. Not to mention my 1st two draft picks doing crap (bayless & williams).

Make me an offer as I am already building for next year :/

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Dec 05, 2008, 11:31

How bad are the Knicks? Mobley gets traded, they find that his heart condition means he will never play for them and they still agree to the deal.

Unfortunately for my team, Mobley was really starting to produce--esp in points and steals. Apparently Mobley will retire as soon as today.

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Dec 10, 2008, 11:17

Just looked at my team and noticed that all of my key players have come via draft or FA. Only Chandler and Charlie V have come via trade and neither are helping me right now. Charlie V shows glimmers and who knows what's up with Chandler? Nabbing Granger off the FA wire when he was a rookie and not getting any PT sure paid off!

Player - How obtained
C Dan Gadzuric, Mil C - FA
G Luke Ridnour, Mil PG - Draft
G Chris Duhon, NY PG - Draft
F Danny Granger, Ind SF - FA (Rookie year)
F Dirk Nowitzki, Dal PF - Draft
Tyson Chandler, Nor C - Trade (Several years ago for Prince)
Charlie Villanueva, Mil SF, PF - Trade (Last year for player and pick)
Rasho Nesterovic, Ind C - FA
Brandon Roy, Por SG - Draft
Hedo Turkoglu, Orl SG, SF - Draft
Kendrick Perkins, Bos C - Draft
C.J. Miles, Uta SG - FA

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Dec 11, 2008, 10:54

Woah...a Chandler sighting. I should post more often!

Great One
ID: 151126410
Thu, Dec 11, 2008, 12:45

Lets try this out... boy that Matt Barnes really stinks!

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Dec 11, 2008, 23:17

rockafellerskank...I'd accept that trade you offered if it is the exact players in the proposal...go take a second look at which Derek (or in this case Derrick) you included...but otherwise, I'll wait on CDR, whom I overvalue dispite not playing squat this year so far.

We can revisit this later (maybe early January).

Right now, on a per game basis, I'm crushing...despite what I see as an underperforming results from most of my keepers, so far.

Great One
ID: 151126410
Wed, Dec 24, 2008, 10:46

Looking at the #2 pick overall right now... its for sale folks!
I'll package that with one of my injured guys for someone looking towards the future... need a F or C.

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Sat, Dec 27, 2008, 22:55

Trade with RSF agreed too

RSF sends Round 2 2009 pick + Chris Douglas-Roberts

Tosh sends Round 6 2009 pick + Rafer Alston

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Sat, Dec 27, 2008, 23:17

Confirming that.

I really like CDR, but this should address my main weaknesses, assuming he is past his injury.

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Tue, Jan 13, 2009, 12:15

Dang...I didn't even see PD dropped Beno.

Perm Dude
ID: 10501311
Tue, Jan 13, 2009, 12:50

Yeah, who knew he'd get a spike in PT? Should've held one more day!

Great One
ID: 151126410
Wed, Jan 14, 2009, 13:49

Somebody needs to wake this league up, and I know just the two guys to do it!

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Jan 14, 2009, 17:58

Trade Announcement

Species receives:

Great One's 2009 First Round pick
*Conditional 3rd round pick

Great One receives:
Marcus Camby
Species' 2009 Sixth Round pick
*Conditional 3rd round pick

* Swap of 3rd round picks is conditional. If Great One finishes higher than 16th place overall, Species has the right to swap 3rd round picks with Great One.

barilko6
ID: 57042139
Wed, Jan 14, 2009, 18:12

Somebody needs to wake this league up, and I know just the two guys to do it!

Yeah, as you know, usually I am a trade machine, but I have so many problems with the ESPN site, I haven't been as active as I usually am in a fantasy league.

With that being said, I would be accepting trades of draft picks for guys as I build for next season

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Jan 14, 2009, 23:17

Keep them sleeping.

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Wed, Jan 14, 2009, 23:31

In my head I was trying to work up some deal with Spencer Hawes and Nick Young for Bibby and Camby, but just couldn't work out anything that looked good. Man...I'm getting old.

Great One
ID: 151126410
Thu, Jan 15, 2009, 09:22

I'm coming for you Ref! from 19th to 1st place! :)

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Fri, Jan 16, 2009, 11:55

I've put in a trade protest, due to this article:

Clips Marcus Camby not asking for trade

I mean, in his own words: "I'm here for the long haul"

Of course, I think he's on crack when he said this about Species team: "(with our core of players) we should make the playoffs."

I mean, come on. Its Species, his squad is so hurt, he's pretty much the LA Clippers of the G20.

Funny, looking at his roster I just noticed his team is titled "Species' Inured Reserve"...Inured?

Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Fri, Jan 16, 2009, 12:00

They're so hurt, they have no one to hit the "J."

Perm Dude
ID: 590291514
Fri, Jan 16, 2009, 12:01

heh

Great One
ID: 151126410
Fri, Jan 16, 2009, 12:01

Maybe he see's a bright future in Westbrook and Beasley cause it sure ain't Gilbert! :0

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Jan 16, 2009, 13:22

They're so hurt, they have no one to hit the "J."

True dat!!

100

Great One
ID: 151126410
Fri, Jan 16, 2009, 14:31

Well it is legal in California if you are in pain, right?

101

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Fri, Jan 16, 2009, 17:30

Gotta applaud the Species-GO deal. Its our first with a conditional draft pick. I tried doing one of those last year, but it went nowhere.

102

Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Fri, Jan 16, 2009, 17:37

It's common practice in the RWF keeper league brutha. They have a lot of experience with it.

103

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Jan 16, 2009, 17:54

It's common practice in the RWF keeper league brutha. They have a lot of experience with it.

LOL......no doubt. Along with waiver wire priority swap options......which can also be traded multiple times. Got to love GO - he's a mad trading scientist.

104

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Fri, Jan 16, 2009, 18:34

Its the sign that the end of the world is near...Kwame Brown and Darius Miles have been picked up for a fantasy team on the day.

105

Great One
ID: 4510512113
Fri, Jan 16, 2009, 23:57

Camby is on the trading block! :)

106

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Sat, Jan 17, 2009, 00:36

So what's up with Twarpy? It looks like he hasn't done anything since Nov. 27.

107

Frick
ID: 3410551012
Sat, Jan 17, 2009, 09:56

GO, sent you a trade offer about Camby. If you want to e-mail me use the gmail account.

108

barilko6
ID: 5600179
Sat, Jan 17, 2009, 10:00

I am also looking to move guys like Drew Gooden, who when healthy this year has been a stud.

Francisco is also available for those that want tough cats from the G slot.

Anyone is available if the picks are right!

109

Frick
ID: 3410551012
Sat, Jan 17, 2009, 11:32

Barilko, send me an e-mail to my gmail account. I would be interested in Gooden, I need rebounds.

110

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Jan 18, 2009, 16:22

RE: 106

I went through every team and everyone else is active.

111

Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Jan 18, 2009, 17:20

Based on the actual NBA schedule, the midpoint of the season occurs on Tues, Jan 20.

Through Saturday, Jan. 17, being exactly on pace toward 720 games equates to 350 GP.

As of that date, here's the league breakdown:
370 GP or more: 1 team
360-369: 2 teams
350-359: 3
340-349: 6
330-339: 2
320-329: 2
310-319: 1
300-309: 1
under 300: 2

112

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Sun, Jan 18, 2009, 22:18

Report:Camby to be out for extended period?

Marcus Camby (ankle) could be out for an "extended period" according to a report by Lisa Dillman of the L.A. Times, citing "those that are familiar to this type of injury."

This still isn't an official report from the Clippers, but it's becoming more clear that Camby is worse off than his day-to-day listing. At this point, starting Camby for the upcoming week is a major risk. Jan. 18 - 9:10 pm et

113

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Sun, Jan 18, 2009, 23:20

Thats the Mr. Glass we've all come to know and adore.

114

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Jan 19, 2009, 12:00

I have talked to Twarpy and he did adjust his lineup yesterday.

Re: 113
My thoughts precisely.

RE: 111
Gonna be tough for those that far under the avg to try and make those up.

115

barilko6
ID: 00542011
Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 12:57

Trade:

Frick trades:

Ben Gordon
Baron Davis
1st Round Pick

Barilko6 Trades:

Andrea Bargnani
Drew Gooden
5th Round pick

116

Frick
ID: 3410551012
Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 13:09

Confirmed.

117

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 13:13

What am I missing?

118

barilko6
ID: 00542011
Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 13:19

I know...its not like me to give up a good hometown boy...

119

Great One
ID: 497221412
Tue, Jan 20, 2009, 15:04

Looks like we woke up a sleeping... league!

120

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 10:59

Re: 115

I voted to allow the trade, but I love B6's side of the deal big time.

I like the PD/GO deal. I'm a Martin fan--though he only helps in a limited number of cats in fantasy (like most SGs). He can REALLY help in those though.

121

barilko6
ID: 48563014
Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 14:18

I am happy with my end of the deal, picking up more draft picks for reloading for next year.

Depending on the stats you need, I can fill your needs...

3's: Ben Gordon, Baron Davis
Steals: Rajon Rondo, Baron Davis, Francisco Garcia
Assists: Rajon Rondo, Baron Davis, Kirk Hinrich

Mayo and LaMarcus are going to be hard to pry away, but everyone is available!!!

122

rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Wed, Jan 21, 2009, 22:05

re: 111/114

When i rejoined the league the year before last, there was debate about Twarpy's team being available and then (IIRC) he promised to be active and said "sorry" and kept his team.

Vaguely, I recall Twarpy being called out over the years for being inactive in G24 football and G20 baseball too, no?

I' not trying to bang here, but he is -100 pace as of today and left CA in his line up when he was clearly OUT. I have no desire to chase player logs, but it doesn't appear he is "active" IMO. When was the last time he played Kyle, Wally, Jason , or Will? I went back to 12/1 and there have been ZERO line up changes for a guy -100 games in pace.

C'mon, Twarpy, play the game or resign.

(sorry if this pst sounds like I'm being a jerk, but I am trying to improve, changing line us, offering trades and making moves) It's dissaponting to watch him sleep.

123

Great One
ID: 151126410
Thu, Jan 22, 2009, 09:45

I am like 200 games behind as of yesterday! whohoo! but watch where I finish and enjoy the ride, cause this was my plan all along.

124

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Jan 22, 2009, 18:54

The thoughts expressed in Post 122 sound perfectly in line with established G20 activity standards to me.

125

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Jan 23, 2009, 09:23

Trade announcement:

Guru gets
Kirk Hinrich
Ben Gordon
Barilko6’s 3rd and 6th round picks in Oct 2009

Barilko6 gets
Tracy McGrady
CJ Watson
Guru’s 1st and 3rd round picks in Oct 2009

Contingency:
If Guru’s first round picks turns out to be one of the top three (via lottery), then Guru keeps that pick, and substitutes his 1st round pick in 2010. In this situation, Barilko6 retains his 3rd round pick in 2009.

126

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Jan 23, 2009, 09:29

Trying to keep track of draft picks to make sure these trades work...B6 is getting nuts!!!

Appears that B6 has now traded his 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th and has received others, 1st, 1st, 3rd and 6th.

128

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Jan 23, 2009, 09:37

I am getting his 6th - or does he have more than one 6th rounder?

129

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Jan 23, 2009, 09:38

Sorry, I nuked it before seeing your post. I was putting it on the site when I eralized I was right in the first place.

130

Frick
ID: 3410551012
Fri, Jan 23, 2009, 09:51

Well, the first round should go fairly quickly assuming Barilko is around. ;)

131

barilko6
ID: 48563014
Fri, Jan 23, 2009, 09:58

And I still have your 6th rounder too Ref!

I should have pawned that off on someone...haha

132

barilko6
ID: 48563014
Fri, Jan 23, 2009, 09:59

Yes Guru, we agreed on you getting my 6th, and not Ref's.

133

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Fri, Jan 23, 2009, 12:37

Nice move barilko. I had entertained thoughts of trying to buy low on McGrady as well.

Of course, there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that McGrady will go the way of Penny Hardaway and never see usefulness in fantasy leagues again......but still your deal is a worthwhile gambit on top of the pick upgrades.

134

Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Jan 23, 2009, 13:05

I've had McGrady since my entrance in this league. I've been trying to figure out if/how/when to move on. Obviously, if he could get healthy, he's got value. But that's the continual rub.

At this point, I'm figuring that Gordon will supplant McGrady as a keeper next year. Four years younger than McGrady, and a free agent at the end of this season, so who knows what he will do next year. I don't know what to expect from Hinrich, but figured that the combo of Hinrich and Gordon could allow me to make a move into the upper echelon this season. I'm amazed that I'm still in the running with Boozer and TMac already missing so many games.

So, from my perspective, the trade may get me into a money position this year - especially if I can get something reasonable from Boozer in the 2nd half.

If not, I feel OK going into next season with AL Jeff, Boozer, Iggy, J. Nelson, Gordon, and probably Jeff Green as my keepers, with Hinrich as a possibility (or else as possible trade bait).

Admittedly, my draft picks next year are back ended - but my 2nd and 3rd round picks this year were essentially wasted (McCants and Dampier), while my later picks have turned out to have some value (Landry, Lowry, and Telfair - IIRC). So maybe I'm better served by selecting from the deeper leftovers.

135

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Jan 23, 2009, 17:48

I think the trades have been really good except Frick's side of the B6 deal. By B6 turning right around and getting another 1st for Gordon, I think that supports my thinking. It's so had to tell though because what if Barg returns to what he was doing a couple years ago or what he's doing now? I'm not a big Gooden fan, but there is no denying he can board. I think Bargnani is the wild card in that deal.

136

Frick
ID: 3410551012
Fri, Jan 23, 2009, 21:07

I might have paid a fairly high price in the trade, but I'm less than enamored with Baron. He had a great year last year, but now that he has his big contract, he's back to missing long periods of time again. Gordon is a very streaky player, his situation is uncertain for next year. I've struggled in rebounds the last couple of years.

I think Barg will continue to improve, but if he regresses, this trade will be very bad for me.

137

barilko6
ID: 58133021
Fri, Jan 23, 2009, 22:02

Yeah, I am really hoping that McGrady can re-establish himself as a somewhat top tier talent. Getting him back was key in my deal with Guru.

Gordon was hard for me to part with, primarily for the reason that Guru alluded to in his post---the fact that he is a free agent, and could most likely finally become the centre piece of a team's offense.

Getting McGrady and Baron are short holds for me, take a chance and see if they can get healthy, put up some nice stats, and then flip them to contenders for picks.

Of course as it stands I will need to look at one of them as a keeper to give myself the right number of guys for next year.

But with 3 first round picks in next year's draft, and a solid slot of keepers, plus whatever I can get for Baron/Tracy, I think this ship is starting to gather some steam....Middle of the pack here I come baby!!!!

138

Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Sat, Jan 24, 2009, 23:26

Anyone looking for a big-guy keeper? DeAndre Jordan is a pretty intriguing guy. I'll be glad to hold him all year and give him some spot starts, but he's gonna be hard for me to hang onto as one of my six keepers. Same goes for Ryan Anderson and Brandon Bass though.

We get 10 keepers, right?

139

Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Sun, Jan 25, 2009, 23:24

Another 20 rebound game for Jordan in case anyone didn't notice.

140

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Mon, Jan 26, 2009, 01:08

Mike must be counting the one he had in High School too.

141

Frick
ID: 3410551012
Mon, Jan 26, 2009, 10:17

RSF, did you send me a trade offer and then cancel it? I only ask because I got the e-mail, but I can't see the trade on the ESPN site.

142

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Mon, Jan 26, 2009, 12:24

Yeah, I threw one out there, but cancelled it after a bit. Didn't see it making sense for you or me, or something like that.

143

Frick
ID: 3410551012
Mon, Jan 26, 2009, 13:39

No problem, I just didn't want to have it hanging out there and not responding.

144

barilko6
ID: 48563014
Tue, Feb 03, 2009, 10:18

Alright...its time!

Time to offer me a 1st round pick for Baron Davis or Tracy McGrady before they get really really hot and the competition starts rolling...

Get in now before the other vultures start realizing that there is filet mignon being offered at hot dog prices.

145

Great One
ID: 151126410
Tue, Feb 03, 2009, 10:48

I've got a very high 2nd round pick I'd sell for a productive player. 3's and steals are my big holes right now...

146

Great One
ID: 151126410
Thu, Feb 05, 2009, 13:00

I sent out a few feelers, and with Bogut's injury I can now pair him with that high 2nd round pick for a healthy player. Looking towards next season?
Bogut could be a nice fit...

147

barilko6
ID: 58133021
Thu, Feb 05, 2009, 15:07

TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT

The 99 Cent Shooters are proud to announce another trade:

Barilko6 Trades:

Baron Davis
Ref's 6th Round Pick

to

Rockafellerskank007

Derek Fisher
1st Round Pick

With 4 First Round picks, I am officially declaring 2009 First Round to be sponsored by myself, taking on the name The 2009 Round of Barilko.

148

barilko6
ID: 58133021
Thu, Feb 05, 2009, 15:20

If anyone needs small parts for their playoff push, let me offer:

Derek Fisher: Nice 3's, assists, anf FG%

Francisco Garcia: A poor man's Ron Artest. Will help in steals(Avg. 2 over last 7) and blocks (Avg. 1.3 in last 7)

JaVale McGee: The guy who is getting rebounds that you have never heard of. Last 3 games has produced nice boards, OFFENSIVE BOARDS (3.8 pg), Blocks and decent points and steals

All these guys can be had for a moderate draft pick upgrade (not expecting anything much) OR an intriguing young prospect of sorts.

149

rockafellerskank
ID: 2511552911
Thu, Feb 05, 2009, 16:22

re: #147 - confirmed.

150

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Feb 06, 2009, 17:49

Dang injuries. It's funny, I am always way ahead of the pace in games early on as I expect injuries--but my losses have been in critical cats lately. Both Cs and now my leader in steals (out a month). No one is gonna have any sympathy for the leasder, but it stinks to throw such a big lead away in basically two cats!

151

Perm Dude
ID: 27127610
Fri, Feb 06, 2009, 21:20

I've had a couple of queries about Bynum that I will respond to this weekend. Sorry for the delay. The shock of the injury combined with having to go to Chicago next week for a conference has squeezed my time.

152

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Feb 07, 2009, 10:28

youngroman has agreed to take over Twarpy's team and has already joined.

153

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Feb 07, 2009, 10:30

Twarpy is still on the site as a comanager. He is going to message YR about stuff etc.

154

Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Sat, Feb 07, 2009, 22:27

Welcome to the party, YR.

155

rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Mon, Feb 09, 2009, 19:31

I'd part with McD for an exchange of draft pick next year.

Anyone need rebounding help... ORBs and DRBs? McD has averaged 8.4/10.7 (3.6 OBBs) over the past 15 days and even better 9.0/13.0 (5.0 ORBs) over the past 7 with increased PT. And, he will likely help your Fg%, too.

The top 5 are all fairly tight. Maybe this is a chance to gain some points in more than 1 category in your run up the standings?

156

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Tue, Feb 10, 2009, 12:26

Apparently what my team needed was to get Michael Redd injured. Using Guru's nifty link, my team is 8th in the league since Redd got hurt on 1/24.

Anyone looking for 3PM? James Posey (NO, SG/SF) is available. He averages about 1.5+ 3s per game. He's also pretty good in the steals category.

157

Great One
ID: 31112109
Tue, Feb 10, 2009, 13:39

I'm selling a very high 2nd rounder for Steals and 3's... and would still sell 24 year old Bogut to a rebuilding team.

158

rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Tue, Feb 10, 2009, 20:50

GO, e-mail inquiry sent.

159

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Feb 12, 2009, 14:30

* Trade announcement *

Species gets:
Anthony Johnson
Andrew Bogut
GO's 2nd round pick next season

Great One gets:
Jermaine O'Neal
Anthony Parker
Species' 4th round pick next season

160

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Feb 12, 2009, 15:33

EDIT: Also included in the above trade is the cancellation of Species' previously acquired conditional 3rd round pick swap. Species hereby waives any right to swap 3rd round picks with Great One.

161

Great One
ID: 31112109
Thu, Feb 12, 2009, 15:34

Cause he knows he can probably trade for GO's 3rd round pick if he has a player who can get him some steals already! :)

162

Perm Dude in Chicago
ID: 10134119
Fri, Feb 13, 2009, 09:15

PR: I got the trade offer but can't seem to access the league here on the road. I'll be back on Sunday evening and will OK it then.

163

Great One
ID: 31112109
Fri, Feb 13, 2009, 09:27

Remember when somebody made fun of me for trading for Rajon Rondo for a mid round pick before the draft last year? good lord... and I could sure use his steals right now, but that was many trades ago.

Does anyone have someone for sale who gets at least 1.5 SPG? I've got a third rounder for sale, nobody on my squad is really untouchable so even all my big rebounders. I can do keeper for keeper type deals too.

164

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Feb 13, 2009, 14:24

Re 159 and 160

Please tell me how the deal on 1/15 should now read as I'm not quite sure I understand. I haven't put the new deal in there yet.

165

Great One
ID: 31112109
Fri, Feb 13, 2009, 14:35

You can just delete that previous clause, its null and void. We both acknowledge that completion of this trade will lead to me passing him in the standings anyway, so there is no motivation for him to hold on to that clause cause he won't want to trade picks.

166

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Feb 13, 2009, 14:58

Updated. Please check for accuracy.

167

Great One
ID: 31112109
Fri, Feb 13, 2009, 15:51

Looks good to me.

I wonder how the trade to Miami will impact Jermaine. I anticipate his numbers should improve, no? is he a free agent? they should really try and get him to stay there he seems like he's a good fit since they need a real post player.

168

Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Sat, Feb 14, 2009, 00:10

J.O. has a player option for next year - his final year. But since it's for 23 mil, there's no way he's opting out. I would guess after that, if he's not extended, he becomes an unrestricted free agent.

169

Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Sat, Feb 14, 2009, 00:11

PD - no problem. We could probably post it on here and have Ref make the changes manually - but like I said, I'm in no hurry :)

170

Perm Dude
ID: 161441518
Sun, Feb 15, 2009, 19:45

The trade offer includes a swap of draft picks. The full trade offer is:

Perm Dude gets David Lee, Luis Scola, and Pacers Rule's 2009 sixth round draft pick

Pacer's Rule gets Andrew Bynum, Eddy Curry, and Perm Dude's 2009 third round draft pick

171

barilko6
ID: 37116178
Tue, Feb 17, 2009, 13:37

Trade Announcement

Barilko6 Trades:

Derek Fisher
Guru's 3rd Round Pick

Great One Trades:

Francisco Elson
GO's 3rd Round Pick

172

Great One
ID: 31112109
Tue, Feb 17, 2009, 13:50

Confirmed.

173

barilko6
ID: 401531712
Tue, Feb 17, 2009, 13:53

For Ref's record keeping:

Barilko's Picks:

Barilko Round 1
Frick Round 1
Guru Round 1
RockafellerSkank Round 1
Barilko6 Round 2
Great One Round 3

175

Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Tue, Feb 17, 2009, 18:34

#170 confirmed. Nice doin' bidness

176

rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Tue, Feb 17, 2009, 22:30

Anyone see that game McD had? I can't even give that guy away. (hint, hint)

177

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 01:26

Re: 171 and 173

Isn't that pick a conditional pick?

178

barilko6
ID: 46159186
Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 08:25

Yeah...based on that first condition with Guru, then I agree to cancel 3rd round swaps with GO.

I feel that Guru's 1st round pick won't be in the top 3.

If GO is ok with that.

179

Great One
ID: 31112109
Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 09:00

Fine with me.

180

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 11:44

OK, so it's a straight up deal with no draft picks involved. Roger that.

181

barilko6
ID: 171241810
Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 11:46

Noooo....

The picks are only cancelled if Guru and I have to exercise the conditions in our previous deal.

182

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 11:49

Gotcha--so these become condtional picks as well.

183

Perm Dude
ID: 17133189
Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 11:51

That "pop" you hear from the midwest is ref's head exploding...

184

Great One
ID: 31112109
Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 11:53

End result? If Guru finishes bottom 3, then he gets his pick back, barilko gets his back and I get my 3rd back.

So I guess if Guru finishes bottom 3 everybody just gets their own back.

185

barilko6
ID: 171241810
Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 11:53

haha...yeah, I am not a huge fan of conditions, but I could see Guru wanting to cover his butt with a top 3 condition!

I worked it out with Ref

186

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 11:53

Lets just settle this. I get all the picks.

188

Great One
ID: 31112109
Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 12:03

The best part of this all, is I'm still looking to trade this 3rd round pick, that is Guru's... unless he finishes Top 3... then its my own pick... for another guy to get some damn steals!!! :)

189

barilko6
ID: 171241810
Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 12:06

Guru...

We can make this simple and solve all problems right now.

Remove any conditions on the 3rd rounders. They happen this year no matter what. I am not sure why there are conditions on those anyways.

If you get that top 3 1st rounder this year, then I get your 1st rounder next year and you get my 6th next year.

190

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 12:30

I understood that the condition to mean "if he gets top three in the lottery draw." That's what I'd protect anyhow. So we cna't figure out if the conditions are met until after the lottery draw if Guru finishes 7th or lower.

191

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 12:44

Here is how i documented the deal on the site:

2/19 B6 and GO Cond agree to swap 3rd round picks (Fisher/Elson--Picks cancelled if Guru cancels his draft trade based on his condition)

192

Great One
ID: 31112109
Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 14:26

Sounds good Ref, sorry for being such trade happy crazy owners!

193

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 16:09

I love the activity! When designing our leagues--that was key. Give owners room and the possibilities/resources so they can improve their teams. Make them deep so the WW thin. Make the teams themselves short so it takes strategy in deciding whether it's worth a drop in order to pick someone up--yet make the benches large enough so you can mature a young player or wait out an injury. Also make the max game senough that the entire team has to play instead of mostly the starters. I really like the way our leagues are set up right now and how the managers work to try new things to make something happen--either for this season or the future. It's a hopeless feeling when you can't improve your team much and you're out of it early.

194

rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 17:13

The rfskank/RSF trade (mcD for C. Smith) includes RSF's 5th rounder for Ref's 6th rounder (which rfskank owns).

195

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 19:03

Yep. Thats what it is.

196

Frick
ID: 3410551012
Thu, Feb 19, 2009, 09:01

I give up. Is there a way to view a trade proposal on the ESPN site, or just in the notification e-mail?

My e-mail address that ESPN has on file (and I can't them to change it) is an old account that I use for spam or sites I don't trust.

Hopefully my injury prone squad can pull it together for a late push. I've dropped from being +1 to +3 games to being -33 games. The Gooden trade hurts also. Stupid salary dumps.

197

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Feb 19, 2009, 10:07

Yes at the top of the page (I think it is the my team page) if you have a trade offer out there it says soemthing like offer pending.

198

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Feb 19, 2009, 10:08

Re 194, man my 6th rounder is a freakin hot potato. McD certainly came down in price from what I was offered last week. ;)

199

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Feb 19, 2009, 12:46

Re: 156

I added the link to Guru's roster summary in the LM message on the league page.

200

rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Thu, Feb 19, 2009, 21:07

I'm happy with my season. I think i finished 19th last year and I am competitive for 7th or 8th this year. Alas, I cannot make the top 5, so time to foreclose on Shaq. Best offer takes the diesel and gets his (exaggerated) .600 FG%, 20/10 stats to make a run at glory. Don't wait. Make offers at the fire sale.
Conley is available for those that want an upcoming PG - keeper

203

Great One
ID: 31112109
Fri, Feb 20, 2009, 13:40

Anyone who wants Amare as a keeper should be contacting me while I decided if I try and make this push or to be in shutdown mode.

204

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Fri, Feb 20, 2009, 13:45

Dang...I just read that Amare news...Detached Retina...ouch!

205

Great One
ID: 31112109
Fri, Feb 20, 2009, 14:00

Well I'll put it this way... two directions. If you want Amare as a keeper, offer me up someone healthy and in the same ballpark as him and we can swap.

If someone wants to add Camby for a stretch run in a league designed for him -- offer me up an injured player done for the year and/or with keeper potential for next year.

Then I'll let the best of those offers decide which direction I should go. Do I fold or still try and make a push into the top 10.

206

Great One
ID: 497221412
Fri, Feb 20, 2009, 14:30

Its chaos in the GO war room!!! offers coming fast and furious!!! :)

207

barilko6
ID: 331161121
Mon, Feb 23, 2009, 12:48

Trade Announcement

Barilko Trades:

2nd Round Pick

Rockafellerskank Trades:

Mike Conley
5th Round Pick

208

rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Mon, Feb 23, 2009, 12:52

re #207 -- confirmed

209

Great One
ID: 31112109
Mon, Feb 23, 2009, 13:03

Who is making trades without me?! :0

I'm trying though seriously, I now have no guys worth dropping and Amare on the bench, so I can't figure if I should even move him or not. If Turiaf/Andersen are going to get a good final 20 games between them then its almost as good as having Amare -- and then I get him for the long haul which is important. Esepcially since his injury wasn't a basketball injury (i.e. knee like Jefferson, McGrady etc), so I know he'll be fully healthy going forward and in that revived offense now that Porter's gone... decisions.

210

barilko6
ID: 331161121
Mon, Feb 23, 2009, 13:07

GO...come on, I've made 6 trades to your 7, so lets not try and pretend you are the Hulk Hogan of trading in the G20. Seriously.

And...

I might be close to adding my 7th trade in the next little while...but this one could be absolutely huge.

211

Great One
ID: 31112109
Mon, Feb 23, 2009, 13:18

Well as long as those punks over at Extreme Basketball don't beat me, I don't really care.
Losing to someone in Canada is like it never really happened anyway! (i kid, i kid... :)

But losing to some guy in Pennsylvania... now that would be embarrassing!

212

barilko6
ID: 331161121
Mon, Feb 23, 2009, 13:27

Hey...as a Canadian, I have almost exclusive rights on all NBA news reported in this country.

If Steve Nash trips on a beaver, I hear it first.
If Samuel Dalembert eats a donut, I hear it first.
If Bill Wennington retires, I will hear about it first.

213

Great One
ID: 31112109
Mon, Feb 23, 2009, 13:52

That sounds like an unfair advantage to me!

214

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Feb 23, 2009, 13:57

B6 must have missed the Wennington retirement news! ;)

216

barilko6
ID: 331161121
Mon, Feb 23, 2009, 14:05

Damn...he did? That guy was money. If Wennington had a few more three point attempts in both 95/96 and 98/99 he could have had the highest qualifying single season 3pt% in NBA history.

He was that good.

217

Mike D
ID: 1411422617
Mon, Feb 23, 2009, 15:27

Am I in this league?? Lol

218

Great One
ID: 4510512113
Mon, Feb 23, 2009, 22:53

Anyway to push that Gerald/Amare deal through a bit earlier tomorrow? It'll clear an hour before gametime late tomorrow, but I am not sure I can get home in time to move him into the starting lineup.

219

KnicksFan
ID: 6142248
Tue, Feb 24, 2009, 09:47

If anyone thinks they can use Mike Dunleavy as a keeper (cough Pacers Rule cough), let me know. I'm interested in packages with a current player and a draft pick.

220

Slizz
ID: 4710371415
Tue, Feb 24, 2009, 16:31

KnicksFan - how do you feel about Wilson Chandler...and what can you offer?

221

Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Tue, Feb 24, 2009, 21:39

Trade offer sent. I'm not huge on Dunleavy given his enigmatic season-ruining knee issue, but he might be worth a gamble. I'd prefer to do a 2 for 1 or 3 for 2 rather than swap picks if we could work out the right situation.

222

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Feb 25, 2009, 09:42

Looks like stats from OKC players are missing from Tuesday night's results.

223

Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Thu, Feb 26, 2009, 19:29

I'm interested in Caron Butler & Marquis Daniels for premium player package, if anyone (esp. contenders) would be interested in that.

224

Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Thu, Feb 26, 2009, 23:37

Alternately, Daniels for a first round pick would work. He should be nice the rest of this year, including contributing in the rare cats. He seems to have come out of his shooting slump (making threes now), and he's going to play good minutes with Dunleavy out and Granger's torn ligament limiting his minutes and Indiana thinking long term versus short term with him.

225

Frick
ID: 3410551012
Tue, Mar 03, 2009, 08:56

When is the trade deadline? My season has fallen apart due to injuries and a real life trade.

Hopefully now that Gooden has been bought out he will land with a new team. If not, I might have earned one of the worst trades of all time awards.

226

Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Wed, Mar 04, 2009, 06:54

Marquis's February Numbers:
34.9 min 56-117 .479 4 threes 9-15 .600 FT% 1.3 steals 0.9 blocks 1.6 offensive boards 4.9 rebounds 2.0 assists 15.6 points

Last night - 19 points, 6 boards (2 offensive), 2 assists, 2 steals, 2-4 FT, 8-17 FG (.471), 1 3pt

you KNOW you want him, lol

227

Great One
ID: 46215212
Wed, Mar 04, 2009, 09:16

I want him! can't figure out what to offer though... I have a 3rd rounder still I think.

228

Great One
ID: 46215212
Fri, Mar 06, 2009, 09:13

Trade Deadline = Friday, March 27, 12PM ET (Week 22)

229

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Mar 07, 2009, 09:50

Tyson Chandler finally back from his long injury has sure helped. Now if Granger can only get back to full health. I don't know how many trade offers I've had for my injured players this year, but it's pretty smart. Fortunately, I've been able to hold out.

I think getting Mbah off waivers was the first time I've done that and the player comes in and pays immediate dividends. I'm used to it happening to others after I drop a player!

230

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Sat, Mar 07, 2009, 12:09

I'm getting the injury bug right at the wrong time. Hopefully some of these dropped fly can get back up soon.

231

Great One
ID: 4425722
Sun, Mar 08, 2009, 12:33

1st place team the last 30 days? you guessed it folks... even with Amare and Camby flaking out. C'mon Marcus, go get your head drained already! :)

232

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Sun, Mar 08, 2009, 12:57

RecycledBrainFluid???

233

Great One
ID: 4425722
Mon, Mar 09, 2009, 18:18

College of Charleston playing for a bid in the tourney 7 PM on ESPN. Everyone better be pulling for my alma mater! :)

Meanwhile.. RSF wasn't kidding? rotoworld
Marcus Camby has "fluid on the brain," which they believe is a result of his ruptured ear drum/ear infection, which has also been causing him migraines.

234

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Mon, Mar 09, 2009, 18:28

Ouch...sorry to hear that.

235

KnicksFan
ID: 6142248
Fri, Mar 13, 2009, 15:41

Have we figured out the games limit issue yet? ESPN still shows the limit as a single combined total, instead of by-position. Is that what we're working with?

236

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Mar 13, 2009, 16:04

yes.

237

Perm Dude
ID: 192191712
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 09:15

RSF gets a very nice night out of Rafer (5 steals?!) to go +4. This late in the season, that's a damn good night.

238

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Wed, Mar 18, 2009, 10:40

A couple of cats are losey-goosey where I'm at, so HELL YA I'll take some production outta Rafer. Although, if he'd trade off some of the points for about 10 dimes a night, I'd be happier.

239

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 01:49

Oh its a lovely night when 4 of your 6 keepers DNP on you down the stretch...

240

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 16:35

I hear ya. Chandler with another DNP but at least Granger is FINALLY back. Ridnour and Duhon and Turkoglu have been killing me with DNPs too. The backups I've been using haven't been getting it done. Hopefully these guys can come back at peak performance soon. I've went from a huge lead to 2nd place in little time. At least I'm back in first...for now.

241

Frick
ID: 3410551012
Fri, Mar 20, 2009, 09:03

I'm in a free fall.

I have mixed thoughts on the Bargnani/Baron trade, I'll have to wait and see how it turns out.

The injuries are what have really hurt. I was just a bit above pace and started to scale back. Once all of the injuries hit I dropped way behind and I won't max out now. Those 30 games or so, might have gotten me back into contention, who knows.

242

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Fri, Mar 20, 2009, 17:40

I don't recognize that team in first place today.

It's a little weird that Knicks teams (KnicksFan, New York Knicks of G20) are in first place and in last.

243

Great One
ID: 4425722
Fri, Mar 20, 2009, 17:50

Anyone looking for some extreme blocks/rebounds I've got Chris Andersen and Marcus Camby available... could even be part of a package deal. Like for example I don't particularly want to keep two Jazz guys in Okur and Deron so either could be packaged with the above.

244

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 10:25

Trade:

Frick gets RSF 1st + Nick Young
RSF gets Frick 4th + Trevor Ariza

245

Frick
ID: 3410551012
Mon, Mar 23, 2009, 13:20

Confirmed

246

KnicksFan
ID: 6142248
Thu, Mar 26, 2009, 17:47

I don't even know how I made it to first with my scrubs. However, I expect to plummet as I am way above the games limit right now.

247

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Mar 26, 2009, 18:52

I was thinking the same thing. While I wasn't really calling your guys scrubs, I was impressed with the mid-level guys you had pulling solid production. And I don't think you are all that far out and above on GPs than the rest of the front-pack.

248

Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Sat, Mar 28, 2009, 18:02

Does the trade deadline always pass this quietly in G20? I couldn't get any takers for Daniels :(

Unfortunately, a lot of my tradable guys have been injured lately, so it was tough to convince someone that they could be difference makers down the stretch.

249

rockafellerskank
ID: 2511552911
Tue, Apr 07, 2009, 12:36

Good luck to the top 3. It's been a good battle down the stretch. It looks like it will come down to a few points here and there.

250

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Apr 09, 2009, 10:45

Is there no more waiver period? Just noticed Ref dropped Craig Smith at 12:54 on 4/9, but KF was able to then pick Smith up (from FreeAgent, not waiver) at 9:38 AM on 4/9.

251

Great One
ID: 46215212
Thu, Apr 09, 2009, 10:51

If its 1 day, that may have been before and after the overnight processing.

252

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Apr 10, 2009, 16:56

It's supposed to be a full day. [251] is the only possible explanation. But it's not right. Not how it is set up.

253

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Apr 10, 2009, 16:58

Looking at it. The Game screwed up...

Apr 9
12:54 AM Ref dropped Craig Smith, Min to FA
Ref added Theo Ratliff, Phi from FA to BE

It sent him into FA pool instead of waivers. Definitely a bug.

254

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Fri, Apr 10, 2009, 17:00

Figured something goofy. Either that or a conspiracy. ;)

255

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Tue, Apr 14, 2009, 12:36

Can't get much tigher than this.

256

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Apr 14, 2009, 23:48

Ugh! I accidently put in Skinner yesterday. Luckily I caught it today and was able to remove Perkins this morning. Cost me some key stats but at least I didn't max out.

Now it all comes down to the final day...as it should!

257

rockafellerskank
ID: 2511552911
Wed, Apr 15, 2009, 12:10

Wow, Knicks maxed out to 720 the night before last. Big difference (obviously) stopping at 719 or 718 like Ref and RSF to get all 10 games tonight. Good luck to both.

258

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Wed, Apr 15, 2009, 12:38

I wanted to be at 719 except Ray Allan had to go an feel up Anderson Varejao to get a 1 game suspension.

259

Great One
ID: 46215212
Wed, Apr 15, 2009, 12:43

Dwight Howard really is interesting - cause obviously he dominates in rebounding, blocks etc but if KF didn't have a 2 in FT% he's be comfortably in front.

260

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Wed, Apr 15, 2009, 12:44

If i had more people who could shoot 3s and not grab other guys junk, I'd be comfortably in front...A 6. A freaking 6.

261

Great One
ID: 46215212
Wed, Apr 15, 2009, 12:54

Can I trade you CJ Watson for tonight against Phoenix?! :)

262

Great One
ID: 46215212
Wed, Apr 15, 2009, 12:59

On a side note, I managed to climb into the top 10 from dead last after New Years. But I timed the Camby thing all wrong, and he made all the difference since I was already behind in games and needing everyone healthy the last two months. I am excited to keep him though, cause even 60 Camby games (mixed with the other 20 from some random PF) comes out to some nasty numbers in this format.

263

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Apr 15, 2009, 13:43

Tyson Chandler has demolished me. He's supposed to be back tonight for one game. Also Turkoglu going down smarts. Have to have a G tonight who won't hurt me.

As long as my guys don't suck, I like my chances. But you just never know. I can lose points tonight in different categories and I can gain some. I jsut hope starting Skinner by mistake and having to miss Perkins game doesn't cost me the title. Could mean 3-4 points. It's that close.

264

Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Apr 15, 2009, 13:59

This was my most disappointing season so far.

Heading into February I was in 6th place, in spite of missing Boozer since mid-November. With his return imminent, and having just swapped away McGrady for Hinrich and Gordon, I thought I was poised to make a nice run.

Then, within a week, Jameer Nelson and Al Jefferson both vaporized, as did my chances.

I don't know if I could have finished "in the money" or not, but instead, I've been in freefall for the last 2-1/2 months. No fun.

265

KnicksFan
ID: 6142248
Wed, Apr 15, 2009, 13:59

RSF is going to take 1.5 points away from me if he gets 3 assists and 1 steal, so you have your work cut out for you, Ref.

266

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Apr 15, 2009, 14:43

Yes, and I should take a point from you in rebounds. So there is a tie with that alone. So then it comes down to the other cats. That's why the inability to play Perkins yesterday could really hurt me. Cost me a point in FGP, OREB and BLKS. Doubt I can get those back tonight. Should be able to get REBs so I didn't count that. MIght also be able to get one in FGP but I don't know. A bad shooting night could also cost me a point. Same thing for FTP--where I've been bad lately. Still considering benching some players to try and protect that--but it has cost me already in the past couple weeks when I've done that. Doubt that I get that point back in steals as my guys just don't do that well on average--hence the 5. But I've crunched the numebrs and I am just hoping for no disasters and a little luck in key cats. I couldn't hold of bmd last season and key injuries have left me trying to patch up cats with FA scrubs. But it's all good. We all go thorugh that and I know going into the final day, I have a shot to win it. Have never been very good in hoops--so a title would be very gratifying.

267

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Wed, Apr 15, 2009, 15:30

Yeah, we've all been hit hard with injuries. I mean, missing a quarter of a season from KG and Iverson definitely has a negative effect on my rankings. Once AI signs with some scrubby team, life will be good again.

I havent looked too deep on where things might land, outside of the cats I'll snarf from KF.

268

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Apr 15, 2009, 16:02

What stinks for my team is when YR came in and replaced Twarpy he took some points from me!!! UGH! ;)

269

KnicksFan
ID: 6142248
Wed, Apr 15, 2009, 16:07

You both can go snarf yourselves!

270

KnicksFan
ID: 6142248
Wed, Apr 15, 2009, 16:15

Also Ref, you only have 1 game left so I doubt you'll make up 19 rebounds on me.

271

KnicksFan
ID: 6142248
Wed, Apr 15, 2009, 16:18

And if they give full credit for all players in the lineup when you have 1 game left...well that is a really lame loophole!

272

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Apr 15, 2009, 16:25

KF,

All games give full credit for going over on the final day. There is no way to stop it from a technical aspect. It's always been like this for every game and every league I've ever played in. Shocked you didn't know it.

Think I might bench Chandler for today afterall. Going back and forth. I'm readying where he might only get 15 mins of PT and he's bound to be rusty. Picked up a guy who doesn't get mcuh PT normally (At times none) but when he does get some, he's pretty efficient and one of the starters is likely out tonight. Really tricky htough cuz his FTP is bad.

273

KnicksFan
ID: 6142248
Wed, Apr 15, 2009, 16:50

It's news to me. Next year I'll be ready!

274

barilko6
ID: 23217297
Wed, Apr 15, 2009, 16:58

I am truly looking forward to next season. With 4 1st round picks, I am looking to rebuild in a strong way, and while the college guys declaring aren't exceptional this year, I have been checking out the extra fat on current rosters and have a nice game plan all lined up!

275

Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Wed, Apr 15, 2009, 18:20

Make me an offer, b6 :-)

Good luck to all tonight. Its fun when the hard work over six months comes down to the final night for the win.

Like others, I never was in the running this year, but one cool thing about your team in a keeper league is 'there's always next year.'

btw, Elon you're too old for these rookie mistakes!

276

KnicksFan
ID: 6142248
Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 09:33

Yeah I know PR, I know. I'm always way under in games played or already maxed out so I guess I never noticed. Also I rarely have to sweat out the standings on the last day. Oh well, next season. P.S. Mike Dunleavy is sooooo available.

277

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 10:34

WooHoo!!!

278

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 10:50

Congrats to Ref!

I did what I could and mortgaged most of next years draft...wait...I always do that...nevermind that point.

Most fun finish to a season for me.

279

barilko6
ID: 41336169
Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 11:05

PR...

I already have my keepers in place! I hope to use all those picks to pick up great players to build with!

Of course, I would never be against moving a pick and a player for a better player.

Maybe I should come up with a solid gameplan before I just make tons of crazy moves like I did this year...

280

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 11:30

Congrats Ref. Good season!

281

barilko6
ID: 41336169
Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 11:34

Good job Ref...pretty tough to finish high two years in a row in a league this big and this good!

282

youngroman
Donor
ID: 02934823
Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 13:23

congrats Ref!

when I took over the team mid-season it was way behind in games played, so all I tried for the rest of the season was maximizing the games played without falling too deep. I only came short 14 games, so that was a pretty good job. finishing 8th isn't too bad either. I think I took over when I was in the 10-12 range and Guru was still in front of me. seeing Guru fall that quick shows me how fast a team can fall. and this can happen to me too. maybe it will, when I look through all the aging bodies on my team. I am still wondering what happened to Grant Hill. for the first time in his 14 years in the NBA he played in all 82 games. and that at age 36. can he repeat? does anyone want him?

283

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 13:54

Thanks guys. Looks like I beat BMD to be the first one to win all three of our deep Gurupie Leagues! This one might be the most rewarding since it's my weakest of the three.

As YR and Guru alluded, you can fall so fast since we have so many teams who are so bunched together. I went froma comfortable lead to third place pretty quickly.

Doing all the math yesterday, I had a good idea what I needed to get to maximize points and how far I could fall with a miserable night from my guys and good nights from my opponents players.The one cat. I felt I had the best cnce of gianing (outside of the sure point in Reb) was blocks. Was pretty frustrating watching the Portland/Denver game when Prz and Roy didnt play much while Birdman played a lot and racked up those blocks (including oen that counted which was really a goaltend). Jordan didn't get much run either even though his team was down 30.

However, my other guys did well enough in shooting to get me the two points max in FGP. Was going back and forth for that last point. Also got the point in steals. Then I was like, man I don't need them to play to get that point in block as it could give back a FGP or even a FTP. Then I saw RSF falling in other cats and I knew I had it.

Luck is so key. Perhaps not as much as the H2H in fotball from week to week in the finals--but still.

Finally, we have at least one opening in G24 Football. If you're interested, let me know.

284

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 14:01

Looks like there were three teams who didn't hit 90% of max games. Out of 720 max games those three had 603, 617 and 638 games played.

YR did an incredible job--going form the least used games when he took over to 713 GPs. Great job!

285

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 14:15

I've recorded all final rosters and I'll email it to you later Ref.

286

Pacers Rule
Sustainer
ID: 910311210
Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 14:40

[284] Yeah, you have to be careful what kind of slackers you invite into your league, lol. My experience this year was that with as many games played as are required/allowed - 90 per slot - and with only four bench slots - with this many teams and this thin of a FA pool - if you get hit by injuries, it's pretty tough to make those games up, esp. by anyone worth rotating in and out the line up day in and day out. Caron B missed 15 games for me, Marquis Daniels missed 28, and Ginobili missed 38 games. After I traded Lee for Bynum, I missed most of the rest of his games, so covering their actual (82) games played was enough of a challenge with the thin FA talent pool, much less coming up up with an extra 8 games played per starter. On the self-incriminating side, most managers made more FA moves than I did and every once in a while life got in the way and Wade ended up on the bench instead of in the lineup as he should have been, due to trying to rotate a fringe player in to his spot on a night off to pick up an extra game.

Well, obviously lots of others were able to hit or approach the max, so perhaps this difficulty was more of an issue with my team for whatever reason than others.

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Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 14:56

[285] thanks! ESPN is supposed to save our lineups but it's always good to have a backup.

[286] I hate thinking my studs are in the lineup and finding out too late they aren't! I often will set my lineup in advance any time I have to pull one of them out of my lineup on a given day.

As for the ESPN site, it was actually better than expected in some areas and fell short in a couple other areas. The downside for me was the live standings page often locked up for me. The team page's live stats were great though. It would be cool if ESPN could fix the standings page. Also hated that you had to switch pages in order to see them rather than scorll down, etc. But would take it as it is rather than having the team page lock up!!! Also wish it would trend like CBS does. I have to figure out where I've gained/lost points at times and how many. CBS' live scoring is really nice--but they also are fee-based. NBA.com's is free though and at least their live standings set up is better.

The only other thing I can readily think of was the games max at 720 rather than 90/position. But with our set up of simply G, F and C, it really doesn't impact us much at all. So I am fine with that afterall.

I also wonder if the Craig Smith "glitch" to FA instead of Waiers was because he was picked up and released the same day--even though he played in a game that day.

288

KnicksFan
ID: 6142248
Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 16:23

Good job Ref!

I thought the ESPN site was great. Very easy to use, maybe better than Yahoo.

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Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 16:44

I did enjoy ESPN much better than Yahoo! In a leaug elike ours with a thin FA wire, being able to pick up a player and use him that same day is HUGE.

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Great One
ID: 4425722
Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 18:19

Think I prefer to CBS as well, not sure if thats worth a look for baseball?

291

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 19:30

ESPN can't handle some facets of our baseball league.

292

Slackjawed Yokel
Dude
ID: 052347519
Thu, Apr 16, 2009, 22:54

Congrats Ref.

Hey, for what it's worth, I just noticed my team was the only one to finish in the top 10 in all categories.

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Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 09:28

Congrats Yokel for passing me on the last day. Sheesh. At least I didn't lose any money over it since it's "donated" back into the pool anyway. Small consolation.

Congrats to Ref, who has made the progression from reffing games, to watching games, to betting on games, to predicting games. And to doing it well.

294

Great One
ID: 46215212
Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 09:43

Ref, you should really play in a game too! :)

295

Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 09:57

Nah, he's got the perennially strained hammy.

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Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 11:23

I've never bet on a game. Man, I'd be in the poor house!!!

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Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 11:54

Don't ruin a good story with facts Ref. My post in 293 was comparing you to Gladiator. The similarities are almost uncanny.

298

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Fri, Apr 17, 2009, 12:58

I think Ref's real name is Peter Edward Rose, Sr.

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Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Apr 18, 2009, 11:30

Traded Draft Picks
10-18 Ref receives Barilko6's 4th rounder for his 6th (Hinrich)
10-24 PR receives GO's 3rd rounder for his 5th (Dragic)
10-28 PR and GO swap back their own 3rd and 5th round picks (MoPete/Dragic)
11-27 RFSkank receives Guru's 2nd rounder for his 4th (Telfair/QRichardson)
12/28 Tosh receives RSFluid's round 2 for his round 6 (Alston/Douglas-Roberts)
1/15 Species receives GO's 1st for his 6th (Camby)
1/21 Barilko6 receives Frick's 1st rounder for his 5th (Gordon,B.Davis/Gooden,Bargnani)
1/24 Barilko6 receives Guru's (Cond. 1st and) 3rd rounder for his (Cond 3rd and) 6th (McGrady,Watson/Gordon,Hinrich--1st for 3rd move to '10 if Guru hits top 3 lottery)
2/6 Barilko6 receives RFSkank's 1st rounder for Ref's 6th (B.Davis/Fisher)
2/13 Species receives GO's 2nd for his 4th (Bogut/O'Neal)
2/16 PR receives PD's 3rd for his 6th (Lee,Scola/Bynum, Curry)
2/19 B6 and GO Cond agree to swap 3rd round picks (Fisher/Elson--Picks cancelled if Guru cancels his draft trade based on his condition)
2/19 RFSkank receives RSF's 5th for Ref's 6th (McD/C.Smith)
2/24 RFSkank receives B6's 2nd for his 5th (Conley)
3/24 Frick receives RSF 1st for his 4th (Young/Ariza)

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Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Apr 18, 2009, 11:32

RANK TEAM OWNER(S) PTS
1 The Ref Ref Guru 143
2 RSF v LeeroyJenkins Russ Prewitt 137
3 First Place KnicksFan Elon Altman 131
4 slackjawed yokels steve burch 120
5 Extreme Basketball mike donahue 117
6 Blurred Crusaders Pete Pedersen 114
6 Team Wehner Michael Wehner 114
8 youngroman's Luschen Eric Neu, Roman Vock 111
9 Team Nash Pete Nash 105
10 Second City Saints Ryan Estok 101
11 Team Frick Aaron Frick 98
12 rockafeller skank Tim Robertson 93
13 coldwater coyotes william tyrer 90.5
14 Roto Guru Dave Hall 87
15 99 Cent Shooters Jack Kloo 71
16 Gang Green R Turner 70.5
17 Naptown 'Nados JEFF WERTZ 61
18 Team Perm Dudes Fred Courtright 56
19 Species' Injured Reserve Greg Robinson 47
20 New York Knicks of G20 Jay Sherby 23

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Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Apr 18, 2009, 11:47

We've never had a tie for 6th before. Going to have to figure out the lottery draw.

303

Frick
ID: 3410551012
Mon, Apr 20, 2009, 10:15

Coinflip? Or what other tie-breaker makes the most sense?

Congrats Ref. Triple congrats on being the first person to will all 3 leagues, very impressive.

My season was going pretty well until injuries and real life trades came crashing down.

304

RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Mon, Apr 20, 2009, 10:48

As always, the best solution is to just give me the pick(s).

305

Great One
ID: 46215212
Mon, Apr 20, 2009, 10:50

Can you divide up their balls?

306

Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Apr 20, 2009, 11:09

7th place team only gets 5 balls. Give one 2, and the other 3.

Or, since they presumably both get some prize money, exclude both from the lottery.

307

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Apr 20, 2009, 11:58

[306] is the issue. Both get to split prize money. My htought was either to flip to see who got the chance to get both or to exclude both. My guess would be to exclude since the original lottery idea was to give everyone a chance who didn't hit the prize money to get a chance at the lottery.

Also, with us not doing the plaque anymore and Mike D hitting the prize pool w/o being eligible, I need to get with Guru to see where we're at with excess cash.

What we used to do was throw a non-partcipant's winnings to the winner's winnings unless the winner was ineligible then we split it up. However a couple seasons ago we went ahead and moved everyone below him up and thre the $15 into the trophy fund. I assume we will do that again this season--but at some point, we may want to pass some of the excess out. Just want to keep enough in each season to take care of the trophy w/o having to pony up a buck each.

Anyhow, this would mean the two tied teams would divide up 5th place money--which gives them more than their entry fee back. So my guess is that wew ill exlude them and leave that spot open. If that spot comes up we will re roll. (Chances are almost nil that it would come up anyhow).

308

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Apr 20, 2009, 12:01

Oh wait. PP is inelieible too. So we then have half of 5th place and 6th place prize winnings now extra.

309

Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Apr 20, 2009, 12:08

Congratulations Ref. Very impressive to be the first to win the Triple Crown.

310

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Apr 20, 2009, 12:23

We actually have alot of money in the prize pool. Guru suggested that instead of distributing all that cash to the winners, we simply reduce next year's prize pool dues. I like that idea. Also, that's a better idea than moving guys up/down because a winner wasn't in the pool.

311

Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Mon, Apr 20, 2009, 19:14

Just my yearly prize pool donation.....

312

Peter N.
ID: 50312418
Fri, Apr 24, 2009, 19:03

I know I'm late, but congrats Ref! I don't know how you do it.

313

Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Apr 25, 2009, 02:03

Well you passing me in 3s and assists late sure didn't help!!!

314

rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Sun, Sep 27, 2009, 19:59

let's get this party started.

315

Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Sun, Sep 27, 2009, 20:22

I've activated the 2009-2010 season at ESPN. Set your keepers now.

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