Apparently it is not working properly as no one was claimed on waivers and I had HAD a claim in.
Are we going to have to undo all transactions and redo them or what?
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Trip Leader
ID: 13961611 Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 17:42
Ref, I assume you made a waiver request when you should have made a free agent claim?
Sorry, I know it is confusing, but the weekly claim process is the free agent claims. When a player is released by a team he then goes to the waiver wire for two days until he clears waivers or a claim is placed.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 23:01
What?
I made a claim. Last year waivers ran at Noon and then at 12:01 we could start getting free agents? I've never heard of a first come first serve free agent claiming w/o a waiver wire. I put in claims thinking that I'd get one of them. Only to find out that people were getting first come first serves. I am completely dumbfounded.
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Da Bomb Donor
ID: 487112814 Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 23:06
Why do you think it was first come first serve? We did have the regular claiming period today at noon as seen here, then were able to pick up free agents after that.
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Trip Leader
ID: 13961611 Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 23:06
Claim Request Ending Wed 09/12 12:00p ET
Order
Team
Player Dropped/Added
1
New York Titans
Drop: WR Joe Horn
Add:RB Derrick Ward
2
PeterN
Drop: Def Buccaneers, Team Defense
Add:WR Shaun McDonald
3
TB
Drop: RB Noah Herron
Add:LB Roger McIntosh
4
deepsnapper passes underhanded
Drop: DB Mike Brown
Add:LB Mike Vrabel
5
Da Bomb Squad
Drop: QB Charlie Frye
Add:LB Landon Johnson
6
New York Titans
Drop: WR Ernest Wilford
Add:QB Seneca Wallace
7
TB
Drop: DB Charles Woodson
Add:RB Sammy Morris
8
deepsnapper passes underhanded
Drop: DB Michael Lewis
Add:LB Shaun Phillips
9
Da Bomb Squad
Drop: Def Chiefs, Team Defense
Add:Def Texans, Team Defense
10
Da Bomb Squad
Drop: DL Ty Warren
Add:DL Mario Williams
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Trip Leader
ID: 13961611 Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 23:09
Sorry I assumed that everyone at this level was used to the claim system. Again, I realize that it is screwed up, and apologize for not posting a reminder. But you need to take responsibility for not setting up your claims correctly.
And seriously, who was that irreplaceable anyways?
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 00:16
Ref, I assume you made a waiver request when you should have made a free agent claim?
Again, I realize that it is screwed up, and apologize for not posting a reminder. But you need to take responsibility for not setting up your claims correctly.
I played in this league last year. I have played in a WW system for many many years. I did the same thing I id last year. I put in a claim. Now if I was not the highest priority and someone else got the guy, then cool. But I am lost as I read I should have made a FA claim instead of a WW claim. Then told it is screwed up and should have given us a reminder as it was assumed we all knew what was up but then I have to take responsibility for setting them up correctly? WTF?!?!
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 00:27
My guess is that I did it right but didn't get my claim because the priority system (not sure what the order was). What threw me was the players supposedly came from the FA pool instead of the WW but maybe that is semantics?
I think reminders for something that is so screwy would be appropriate no matter how supposedly insignificant or possibly irreplacable anyone may seem. Obviously a lot of players were picked up today.
Post 70 I tried to highlight the things that differentiate the free agent claims vs waiver wire claims. They are not the same thing.
Priority Claiming All free agents (any players not on a current roster) are subject to a weekly claiming process at noon on Wednesday. Following the first 6 weeks of the season, the priorities will reset weekly based on the reverse of W/L percentage. After that, priorities will not be reset. Throughout the season, when a player is claimed (either via "free agent priority claim" or a waiver claim), the claiming team moves to the end of the claiming priority list. Following the final regular season game, priorities will be reset based on playoff seed, with the top seed getting the top priority. Thereafter, throughout the playoffs, priorities will again adjust only when a claim is awarded.
Starting at 1:00pm on Wednesday, all free agents may be picked up by any team "first come, first served" without any change in priority status.
(Immediately following the draft, undrafted players will be subject to a priority claiming process, with priorities equal to the reverse of the first round draft order.)
When a player is dropped from a roster, the player will go on waivers for 48 hours. At the end of the 48 hour period, if any team has placed a claim on the player, the team with the highest claiming priority will receive the player. If no claims are submitted, the player becomes a free agent at that time. If a player is dropped within 48 hours of his game freeze, he may not be claimed until the following week's free agent claiming process.
Starting five minutes prior to the scheduled start of each NFL game, no player in that game may be dropped, regardless of whether the player is an active or bench player.
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Trip Leader
ID: 13961611 Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 01:02
My guess is that I did it right but didn't get my claim because the priority system (not sure what the order was). What threw me was the players supposedly came from the FA pool instead of the WW but maybe that is semantics?
I took great pains to make sure that the waiver priorities were set correctly.
I think reminders for something that is so screwy would be appropriate no matter how supposedly insignificant or possibly irreplacable anyone may seem. Obviously a lot of players were picked up today.
Obviously I have apologized for not reminding you.
I believe you have played in RIFC (or one of the qualifying leagues) for at least one year now.
I don't need your grief.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 01:39
I don't need your grief.
Dude, anytime someone asks you a question, you don't need thier grief or you go off on them for not taking care of business. I asked you what the difference was between FA claim and a waiver claim. I didn't say you screwed up the priority system. Then you minimize it by saying basically there was no one who was important enough to get anyhow. When you've asked for assistance we have done everything we could to help you (esp. during the draft), yet when we ask a question you basically say forget you and we are too much of a burden for you. Everything may have gone off exactly as it was supposed to. A litte clarification would have answered my question and perhaps helped enlighten others without your defensiveness. I'm sorry that you experienced such great pains to ensure that the priority system was accurate. I'm just trying to figure out how I supposedly made a WW claim instead of a FA claim. How does that cause you so much grief? I was in AA last year and I don't remember a separate system. Of course we were winging it too.
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Guru
ID: 330592710 Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 17:07
Geez guys, chill.
If Ref put in a claim, he almost certainly did it correctly. I don't think he could have put in a waiver claim, because a player would have had to have been on waivers to do that, and no one should have been on waivers at the time.
From the list posted in [7], Ward, McDonald, and McIntosh were all claimed before Ref's first turn came up. So if he only claimed someone on that short list, then he simply got out-prioritized. If he claimed someone else, then there was a foul up of some sort.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 18:20
I agree with you Guru. Thanks.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 19:39
Was that the answer them Ref? Did you only claim one of those three players and he was already taken?
I agree that we need to chill. This is just fantasy football.
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Trip Leader
ID: 13961611 Fri, Sep 14, 2007, 00:50
F THIS
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Fri, Sep 14, 2007, 20:14
TRIP - Not sure why you would post F THIS or what your problem is, but get a grip. Pass off commish controls to someone else if you don't have the time or patience to deal with it.
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Trip Leader
ID: 13961611 Sat, Sep 15, 2007, 22:15
TB, you want em?
Guru assumes that if there were a mistake made, it was on my end. I do make mistakes, and will happily admit them.
I thought that I was pretty helpful around the forums and with this league specifically, but it turns out I am really a dick.
I apologized to ref multiple times thinking I had answered his question yet he kept coming back. If he'd have asked a question besides "Are we going to have to undo all transactions and redo them or what?" this would be a non-issue.
Hell, I was going to let the issue drop after post 13. I stayed away for a while read Guru's comments then bit through my tongue. At that point, all I could manage was F THIS.
Don't feel like hanging out much right now anyways.
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Guru
ID: 330592710 Sat, Sep 15, 2007, 23:11
Guru assumes that if there were a mistake made, it was on my end.
Huh?
Trip - I really don't know where you're coming from, but I made no such assumption. From everything I've seen, I made the assumption that no one made any mistakes here - other than Ref, whose only mistake appears to be that he didn't look in the correct place for the claim results.
I know that being commish can be a thankless job, and from everything I can see, you have done a fine job - and I certainly appreciate it. I also know that Ref has been a commish in many leagues, and has also done a fine job.
It seems to me that both of you jumped to a conclusion that someone or something screwed up, when I don't believe anyone or anything did.
I guess I should have butted out, but I have the utmost respect for both of you, and it seemed that you two were unnecessarily jousting when there was no underlying issue at all. I certainly didn't mean to elevate the tension. And, as far as I can see from the evidence provided, everything was set up properly, and everything ran properly.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sun, Sep 16, 2007, 10:06
Trip, I am not sure what's going on. I've never had an issue with you. I assume you and Doug had never had an issue. Same for whoever else.
Here is what happened...
AOL apparently wasn't cooperating with claims. I had posted as well as emailed Trip. The response was that it wasn't working. Then apparently it was and was told Free Agents would open at Noon.
Then when it appeared people started picking up players who were free agents after Noon, I had thought the WW didn't work and asked if we had to undo the FA pickups to run waivers. At which time I was told I had made a cliam from the wrong list. When I asked for clarifiation, I was told I needed to take responsibility--when I specifically said that if I wasn't the highest priority, then cool, it's a non-issue.
The confusion is that players are coming off AOL's "Free Agent pool" instead of the "waiver Pool" as most of us are used to after the freeze. Then the claims are awarded after Noon but we can't pick up FAs until 1:00. That's the same as before--though I, for one, had forgotten that.
I'm the last person who would be intentionally trying to give a commish "grief" or blaming him instead of "taking responsibility," etc. I'm sorry you took it that way. But I'd think that we'd at least get the benefit of the doubt if possible. I'm writing this off to a lack of communication and hope you will too.
Not let's play some football and have some fun!!!
Gotta look who I'm playing this week. My draft is looking worse and worse and need to figure out what I'm going to do at RB and WR as I have an obvious hole in each already.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Sun, Sep 16, 2007, 12:11
Trip has appointed me his assistant commish to help out with the league. Let's move forward from last week and enjoy the season.
1. Based on your league's regular season dropped player rules, previously dropped player *** cannot be signed until 48 hours from when the player was dropped.
Help...
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sun, Sep 16, 2007, 12:25
Post 11 has the rules as far as FA/WW. Hopefully that helps. If not, I don't know the answer.
Nope, player IS a free agent right now. But, apparently FA players are "locked" for some odd reason. FYI, player had only been dropped OFF the waiver pool recently.
Just in Case... Letter_J has dropped the player that he was going to, but needs this FA move to be processed somehow.
RE: Waivers - I've played in a RIFC league in the AOL system for 3 years now and maybe I can help explain how the Waiver Wire system at least contributed to this misunderstanding and what it has to do "I think" with the way it works at the beginning of the year.
I know I had likeWW position 11 and put in 2 claims and on the 1st claim I selected 11 players and on the 2nd I put 10 players. I got both picks. Initially, I was unable to make any WW claims until afterthe games started . I'd tried to make a claim about a week earlier and it threw me to the free agent screen or something crazy like that. I don't think Waivers were working anyway. AOL's problem or what, schedule, etc.
As far as notification, Trip sent out 2 emails, the first saying their might be a problem and send him your WW request and another last week saying the WW was working and to make your requests via the system. There's no New England's in here, well, maybe a Tampa Bay. ;)
I think Trip is doing a great job of herding footballs down a field considering this bunch of nutheads in here. It was a pretty smooth draft and the season's going. Let's just play some football and have some fun.
Just for clarification again. This is NOT a claim. I'm trying to get a free agent. For some "unknown" reason to me, the recently been made free agent, is locked for 48 hours.
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Guru
ID: 330592710 Sun, Sep 16, 2007, 14:05
A commish needs to check the free agent setting. It should say that free agents can be picked up immediately. The waiver process takes care of the 48 hours waiting period.
I remember getting confused about that setting several years ago.
Maybe whoever the commish is at this point can contact you on how to change that for the future Guru... if they can't find the setting themselves.
Please get in contact with myself (tonight), or letter_j (tomorrow-on) in order to get this matter resolved.
Thx again
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Sun, Sep 16, 2007, 20:54
In the settings under Dropped Player, it asks: When a player is dropped, when does he become available for pickup?
The current setting says 48 hours after player is dropped. Do I need to change this to say immediately? I'm assuming that if the answer is yes, it means a player dropped from a team goes on waivers and is really considered a dropped player once he clears waivers.
Thx TB. You appear to have fixed the issue. Letter_J's roster is now proper.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Mon, Sep 17, 2007, 00:27
Good deal. Sorry I didn't get to it earlier, but went to a friends house to watch my Raiders beat the Broncos. Well, that is why I went, not saying that is how it turned out, but almost.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Tue, Sep 18, 2007, 19:44
I've reset the waiver priority for the week to match the claims order (worst to first). After the first 6 weeks they will not be reset. Well, I believe the claims will have to be reset to match waivers because the system automatically adjust claims from worst to first but leaves waivers the same, but I will make sure to check each week that they are correct.
Priority Claiming All free agents (any players not on a current roster) are subject to a weekly claiming process at noon on Wednesday. Following the first 6 weeks of the season, the priorities will reset weekly based on the reverse of W/L percentage. After that, priorities will not be reset. Throughout the season, when a player is claimed (either via "free agent priority claim" or a waiver claim), the claiming team moves to the end of the claiming priority list. Following the final regular season game, priorities will be reset based on playoff seed, with the top seed getting the top priority. Thereafter, throughout the playoffs, priorities will again adjust only when a claim is awarded.
Starting at 1:00pm on Wednesday, all free agents may be picked up by any team "first come, first served" without any change in priority status.
When a player is dropped from a roster, the player will go on waivers for 48 hours. At the end of the 48 hour period, if any team has placed a claim on the player, the team with the highest claiming priority will receive the player. If no claims are submitted, the player becomes a free agent at that time. If a player is dropped within 48 hours of his game freeze, he may not be claimed until the following week's free agent claiming process.
Starting five minutes prior to the scheduled start of each NFL game, no player in that game may be dropped, regardless of whether the player is an active or bench player.
I don't know if the system will stop anyone from dumping a bench player whose game has already started or been played, so it will be up to each manager to make sure they make a proper claim. I will check transactions and if I see an illegal drop, I will have to reverse the transaction. I know we got off to a rocky start, but I think we will have smooth sailing from this point forward.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Sep 25, 2007, 00:15
Whew...pulled out two close games this week.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Sep 25, 2007, 00:57
btw, i'm looking for a rb, if anyone has an extra one to upgrade their team.
I had originally sent a trade offer through to you at AOL. However, I have cancelled the offer (only because I would like to discuss the trade beforehand). Discuss?
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Wed, Sep 26, 2007, 15:52
I might be persuaded to part witn Vince Young or David Garrard. Particularly hunting for a RB after my #2 guy went down for the year.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Wed, Sep 26, 2007, 22:07
Hey Letter_J,
I saw the offer and have been thinking it over. You can email be at tbraiders at gmail.com if you want to chat about it.
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Letter_J
ID: 353551013 Fri, Sep 28, 2007, 12:34
loki,
I sent you an e-mail to your (jphlkh) verizon dot net account.
Letter_J
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Mon, Oct 01, 2007, 01:39
Smoke and Mirrors I tell ya!!! Wish I had found them for baseball season!
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Oct 02, 2007, 02:10
Question: In this league do Team D's get credit for a Kickoff Return for a TD?
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Letter_J
ID: 353551013 Tue, Oct 02, 2007, 08:14
From http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl?board=foot&thread=4867&last=1186863906, post 70:
Team Defense Points (the following points apply only to team defenses) Sack 1 Interception 2 Fumble recovered 2 TD 6 (excludes TDs on kick or punt returns) Safety 3 Blocked kick 2 Shutout 10 1-6 defensive points allowed 7 7-13 defensive points allowed 4 14-20 defensive points allowed 1 21-27 defensive points allowed 0 28-34 defensive points allowed -1 35+ defensive points allowed -4 Defensive points allowed exclude TDs scored by the opposing special teams or the opposing defense (i.e., TDs on turnovers, kick/punt returns, or blocked kicks).
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Oct 02, 2007, 10:05
Thanks letter j. I thought I remember that being the rule. I had looked inthe rules that Guru had linked and I only fould Individual Players KR points so I thought I was right. It's a Team D, not a DST. Got it.
7 Wins in a row!!! WooHoo!
I'm still looking for a RB. Have some big ammo to offer if anyone is interested.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Oct 02, 2007, 13:37
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TB
ID: 538192913 Tue, Oct 02, 2007, 13:50
Ref, you are kicking butt. I don't remember exactly, but it seems like the overall points for is a bit closer than in years past from top to bottom. It's been a pretty fun season so far.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Oct 02, 2007, 14:35
Just because I'm 7-1 doesn't mean I'm kicking butt. Should lose to Pete this week as he's been kicking butt--just hasn't won as much as me. Not getting any of the top WW claims is a killer. Much rather lose early and win late. If you win early, you better not suffer injuries. Unfortuantely, with my 3rd rounder out for the year and my 1st rounder missing yesterday and who knows how much longer--and both RBs, I might find myself scrapping just to try and make the playoffs.
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TB
ID: 538192913 Tue, Oct 02, 2007, 16:06
Not getting any of the top WW claims is a killer.
How so? Which huge WW claims have been made this year that have been killer?
Week 1: None from week one Week 2: Only 5 teams made claims with RB Ward being the big one and I guess WR McDonald was a good signing. Week 3: Again only 5 teams made claims with QB Anderson being an upgrade for some team. (would have been great for mine, lol). Week 4: 7 teams made claims. E. Graham was the only big one.
Really, I don't see the huge claims this year. I have seem some good FA and waiver wire pick-ups but to come across as sour grapes when you are in first place?
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Oct 02, 2007, 16:36
Sour grapes? When you don't have a real RB and you need WR depth, it could be huge to that team.
Please don't miscontrue a simple statement of being unable to get the hot WWs because of being low on priority as sour grapes or feeling slighted in the least. Injuries are a part of the game and the WW priority is set up to help the teams that need it most first. What could be done different in a non-keeper league? The set-up is pretty standard. I'm sorry you think I was having sour grapes but that was in no way my intention.
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JTSERB
ID: 2751170 Tue, Oct 02, 2007, 18:21
Im looking to upgrade at WR... I have RB's available... send me some deals please :)
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TB
ID: 538192913 Tue, Oct 02, 2007, 20:56
I should have put a smiley, Ref, but still only 3 or 4 good claims made so you have to admit that it isn't really all that killer.
I forgot to mention that I need a QB upgrade. I will look around at teams that have a solid back-up, but am open to offers.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Oct 02, 2007, 21:40
Well, I'm starting Tatum Bell and Ryan Grant? or whatever his name is from Green Bay at RB this week.
I have 3 solid QBs and willing to part with one of them. I have offers on my desk right now that I'm looking at. Gotta look into them more.
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Letter_J
ID: 353551013 Wed, Oct 03, 2007, 09:25
TB,
e-mail sent...
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TB
ID: 538192913 Wed, Oct 03, 2007, 20:59
*** Pending Trade Announcement ***
Requestor: Hubble's Offers: QB Jay Cutler, DEN For Acceptor: TB WR Larry Fitzgerald, ARI
I have accepted the trade and will give the league 24 hours to review before official approval.
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TB
ID: 538192913 Thu, Oct 04, 2007, 11:52
Okay, I see that we are each emailed approved trades so I won't announce them in this thread. I just went in and approved both pending trades.
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Letter_J
ID: 353551013 Thu, Oct 04, 2007, 14:03
Doug,
e-mail sent...
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Letter_J
ID: 353551013 Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 08:50
I could be tempted to trade any one of:
Adrian Peterson, RB, Min Clinton Portis and his handcuff Ladell Betts, RB, WSH Selvin Young, RB, Den
Let the offers begin...
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Letter_J
ID: 353551013 Fri, Oct 05, 2007, 15:49
loki,
e-mail sent to your (jphlkh) verizon dot net account.
deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Sat, Oct 06, 2007, 19:12
TB - sent you an email about Vrable. He got credit for a TD reception, but not the points. It doesn't change either game's result, but does effect my total points. Sorry for not checking sooner.
ds
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TB
ID: 8926512 Sat, Oct 06, 2007, 19:48
Thanks for the email and post. I adjusted your score to 118.56 for both games.
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Letter_J
ID: 353551013 Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 11:29
Just a heads up for one and all (but especially the commish and the co-commish) as this has been posted by Guru in the RIFC regular season thread:
Reminder: this is the last week that claim priorities reset. Once they reset on Tuesday, they will simply carry forward for the rest of the regular season without any resets. Successful claims (F/A or waiver) will move you to the end of the line, and the only way you will move up the priority list is when the claims of other teams are processed.
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TB Sherpa
ID: 031811922 Mon, Oct 15, 2007, 17:15
Thanks for the reminder. I will reset them tomorrow for the final time. I will have to ask Guru, but one set (claims I think) resets itself each week while waivers doesn't, so I wonder if this means instead of changing waivers every week to match claims, I now have to go in and adjust claims each week to match waivers.
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loki
ID: 59620209 Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 10:06
Re: 62 and 63-Are you certain that both free agent and waiver claims move a team to the end of the line? It would make more sense if only a waiver claim would do this as was the case with RIBC AAA on Yahoo.
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TB
ID: 8926512 Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 17:19
I have no idea. I will reset them today and look around a bit this week and see if I can find that answer. I am in RL drama hell right now, so if someone else knows the answer I sure would appreciate it.
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TB
ID: 8926512 Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 17:38
This is the order it has set for claims and how I reset the waiver wire each week:
Oaktown Raiders TB Hubble's Your Future RIFC AAA Champ deepsnapper passes underhanded Sunday Trippers New York Titans PeterN The Dougs of War Texas Taxes Da Bomb Squad Stl Cards Can't Beat The Refs 2007 ShortBus Stalwarts
This will be the last week I reset the waiver wire. I need to find out if I am supposed to adjust the claims each week to reflect the current waiver wire. If not, then the system seems to reset claims from worst to first each week.
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Athletics Guy
ID: 35851619 Tue, Oct 16, 2007, 20:29
At least my team is 1st in something...
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Letter_J
ID: 353551013 Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 09:32
Stl Cards,
I proposed a trade to you at AOL...
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StLCards Dude
ID: 31010716 Fri, Oct 19, 2007, 14:20
Thanks Letter_J, I'll check it out. Been real busy this week.
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Letter_J
ID: 353551013 Sat, Oct 20, 2007, 07:52
ds,
The way you're collecting QBs, I'm beginning to think that you're going to petition the commish (or Guru) to change this league to a "start two QB" league. : -)
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Azzhole
ID: 99151021 Mon, Oct 22, 2007, 00:39
Why not synchronize the claims with the waiver wire?
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TB
ID: 8926512 Mon, Oct 22, 2007, 02:45
That's what we did the first 6 weeks. MJD emailed me and told me how to set it up from this point forward. Instead of either one resetting each week they will both just carry forward.
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Letter_J
ID: 353551013 Mon, Oct 22, 2007, 14:16
Hub,
email sent to your pretech account...
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Letter_J
ID: 353551013 Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 09:26
StlCards,
email sent to your aol.com account, in response to yours of yesterday.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 11:04
WOW! Starting the wrong QB smarts. Losing two games takes me from first place to really 5th, even though I'm techncally tied for 2nd. Even if Garrard doesn't get hurt and does anything, I split. I had Pennington in there until I read that he was on a short leash. Man I wish I hadn't read that.
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loki SuperDude
ID: 4211201420 Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 12:16
Why is my team, NY Titans, ahead of St. L Cards, when I have fewer points for?
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Letter_J
ID: 353551013 Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 12:28
deal completed between the ShortBus and StlCards. Awaiting commish approval:
Requestor: 2007 ShortBus Stalwarts
Acceptor: Stl Cards
Offers: RB Selvin Young(r), DEN For: WR Joey Galloway, TB
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 14:45
[78] you must have won your game against him. Sine H2 isthe first tie break, you are ahead of him.
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TB
ID: 8926512 Tue, Oct 23, 2007, 18:22
I see no problem with that trade and am going to go in and approve it right now.
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Letter_J
ID: 353551013 Thu, Oct 25, 2007, 10:28
Oaktown Raiders,
email sent to your sbcglobal.net
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Letter_J
ID: 353551013 Thu, Oct 25, 2007, 16:32
TB,
email sent to an address that we communicated with before...
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Azzhole
ID: 99151021 Wed, Oct 31, 2007, 01:16
As I said earlier claims need to be reset to match the waiver wire and vice versa. Not that hard, but you do have to look at it 2x/week.
MJD doesn't know what he is talking about.
Ref..you are a whining bitch. "Can't beat the Refs" is the perfect name for all of your teams.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Wed, Oct 31, 2007, 14:50
Nice run Loki!
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loki SuperDude
ID: 4211201420 Wed, Oct 31, 2007, 17:44
Thanks Ref. This is due in part to using the waiver wire to remedy a terrible draft, but more to playing other teams at the right time.
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TB
ID: 8926512 Wed, Oct 31, 2007, 21:17
I'm not really sure who Azzhole is, but we have some posting etiquette in this forum and I suggest you follow it. Your name is also very borderline.
The rules say that claims and waivers do not reset after week six. They were reset one last time. Weekly claims are not the same as waivers so I see no need to reset them. If you make a claim you go to the back of the pack and if you use your waiver priority to grab somebody recently dropped you go to the back of the pack.
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loki SuperDude
ID: 4211201420 Sun, Nov 04, 2007, 21:41
Trip-I emailed a trade idea to you for your consideration-l
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loki SuperDude
ID: 4211201420 Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 08:25
ShortBus-223.86!! Very impressive, and that score could be the highest yet in these Rotoguru leagues. I'm glad that I played your team last week.-l
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Letter_J
ID: 0104677 Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 08:48
From Letter_J from somewhere in the caribbean,
To Hub,
trade offer proposed at our AOL site...
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loki SuperDude
ID: 4211201420 Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 14:42
Would like to trade any of my RBs for a comparable QB. Any offers?
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Mon, Nov 19, 2007, 13:10
tough week.
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Letter_J
ID: 353551013 Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 13:10
With the last week of the regular season upon us, I went back and read this thread:
http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/read.pl?board=foot&thread=4867&last=1186863906, more particularly post 70 and noted the following:
Playoffs 8 teams Top 6 W/L records are seeded 1-6 Top remaining total points are seeded 7-8 Teams with equivalent W/L records are seeded based on head-to-head first, then total points Bracket is fixed (no reseeding after each round)
One has to love the competition of these leagues; a review of our league standings seems to indicate that only the top 3 teams are locked into the playoffs. Good luck to those on the bubble...
2007 YTD Points Year-To-Date Total Points Team Total Points Points Behind 2007 ShortBus Stalwarts 3475.12 Leader Da Bomb Squad 3469.56 -5.56 Texas Taxes 3321.88 -153.24 Can't Beat The Refs 3288.84 -186.28 The Dougs of War 3212.16 -262.96 PeterN 3204.04 -271.08 Stl Cards 3176.16 -298.96 deepsnapper passes underhanded 3138.96 -336.16 Hubble's 2995.24 -479.88 New York Titans 2935.60 -539.52 Sunday Trippers 2876.68 -598.44 Your Future RIFC AAA Champ 2765.60 -709.52 TB 2743.98 -731.14 Oaktown Raiders 2681.40 -793.72
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StLCards Dude
ID: 31010716 Wed, Nov 28, 2007, 16:01
per Guru from the rifc thread:
This would be a good time to review the rules for roster adjustments during the playoffs: Players at the primary skill positions (QB, RB, WR) and team defenses may not be added for any reason during the playoffs. Free agents at these positions will be locked out after the final regular season game. You may drop a player at one of these positions, but once dropped, that player cannot be added later.
Players at the other positions (TE, PK, IDP) may be added or dropped according to normal regular season guidelines, subject to playoff claiming priorities, if applicable.
Team which are not still active in the Championship playoffs may not make any transactions - adds or drops - even if they are still competing in the Consolation bracket.
Also, claiming/waiver priorities will be reset one last time. Following the final regular season game, priorities will be reset based on playoff seed, with the top seed getting the top priority. Thereafter, throughout the playoffs, priorities will again adjust only when a claim is awarded.
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loki SuperDude
ID: 4211201420 Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 13:57
In which week do the playoffs begin?
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Da Bomb Donor
ID: 487112814 Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 14:14
Next week (week 14)
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Da Bomb Donor
ID: 487112814 Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 17:43
Should be a very interesting final regular season week for the top 4 teams as we try to qualify for the 2 automatic bids to RIFC. Out of the 8 matchups this weekend, 7 are against each other.
The top 6 get in on record and the next two on points. I haven't checked the tiebreaks, but if AOL is right and Cards won the three-way tiebreak for the 6th spot, then it looks like pete gets the 7th spot and ds would get the 8th spot. I am not sure where the 3-way tiebreak rules are but I do remember Guru posting them last year.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 13:14
157 Guru ID: 330592710 Thu, Nov 29, 2007, 21:46 [153] If it's a 2-way tie, go head-to-head first, then total points. If there are more than 2 teams tied, then just use total points.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 13:16
So it looks like Card gets the 6th spot based on points. Then Pete gets the 7th spot and then DS gets the 8th spot. Right?
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StLCards Dude
ID: 31010716 Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 17:01
That's the way I see it Ref.
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StLCards Dude
ID: 31010716 Tue, Dec 04, 2007, 21:20
TB, are you the one setting up the playoffs?
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StLCards Dude
ID: 31010716 Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 00:08
Since there is a game Thursday and I have commish prviledge left over from last year, I decided to go ahead and set the playoff and consolation brackets.
I left it set to manual so each week through the playoffs we will have to set the matchups, but I wasn't 100% sure that it was a straight bracket and since the consolation bracket will need a tweak after the first round anyway I just left it to manaul set up for both.
Please check to see that you agree with the matchups. It was based on what Guru did for RIFC.
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TB
ID: 111048300 Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 00:28
I'm glad you set it up because I have been having a heck of a time trying to get into the site all day. This is for sure the last season I ever join a league that uses the AOL site. I'd rather have to manually track rosters and compute points than go through this interface again.
Congrats to all the teams who made the play-offs. I'd be lying if I said it was a fun season for me. My team sucked and I was a horrible manager. I think this is the last season of RIFC football for me (outside of our keeper league which is at fanball.)
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StLCards Dude
ID: 31010716 Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 00:35
I also reset both the claim priority and the waiver priority with the highest team getting the top priority and on down to the 8th place team. The rest I set to 'none' as none of the other teams are supposed to add or drop players during the playoffs.
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StLCards Dude
ID: 31010716 Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 00:38
I know what you mean TB, I hate going to the AOL site to do anything. I can get in ok, but it is just a confusing layout and slow as could be.
I backed into the playoffs losing my last two games. I'm not much good at RIFC myself.
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Da Bomb Donor
ID: 487112814 Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 01:43
Thanks for setting it up Cards. And sorry to hear you had a rough time TB. Thanks for stepping up and commishing when you did. I also must say it was a little disappointing seeing the original commisioner starting DeShawn Wynn for who knows how many weeks. Good luck to everyone who made the playoffs and I know I have my work cut out for me with my matchup with Peter who has the capability of putting up a huge score every week with all his Cowboys.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Wed, Dec 05, 2007, 11:37
I had some very tough losses this year. But several of them could have been avoided if I just started my optimal lineup. I can't seem to pick the right QB. At least the RB situation is becoming a little clearer. After my injury disasters early on and other top picks not performing, my team is primed to do well in the playoffs. Then I looked at the other teams and there are so many others in the same boat. As Da Bomb said, Pete could win it all and he only got in because of points. I truly believe that it's anyone's title to win.
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Taxman SuperDude
ID: 029463114 Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 16:50
great season...good luck to all in the play offs
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StLCards Dude
ID: 31010716 Fri, Dec 07, 2007, 17:03
And here I thought getting Adrian Peterson off waivers last week was a good thing. bleh.
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Letter_J
ID: 353551013 Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 16:28
What the hell is going on...
Here are some of the transactions of the last few days:
The Dougs of War Signed QB T. Jackson Free Agency Sun 12/09 5:10a ET The Dougs of War Waive Def Raiders Sun 12/09 5:10a ET
The Dougs of War Signed WR B. Johnson Free Agency Sun 12/09 4:59a ET The Dougs of War Waive WR R. Williams Sun 12/09 4:59a ET
The Dougs of War Signed RB A. Stecker Free Agency Sun 12/09 4:59a ET The Dougs of War Waive RB A. Thomas Sun 12/09 4:59a ET
I also thought it was only playoff teams that could make transactions, yet...:
The Titans of New York Signed LB S. Cooper Free Agency Fri 12/07 9:19p ET The Titans of New York Waive LB J. Durant Fri 12/07 9:19p ET
The Titans of New York Signed LB P. Lenon Free Agency Fri 12/07 9:16p ET The Titans of New York Waive DB M. Williams Fri 12/07 9:16p ET
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 17:53
Those moves have to be reversed. Obviously if any of those players were used they should be voided.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 17:59
Looking at the scoring...Doug's of War didn't start his guys, but Titans started both of his illegal pickups. Titans is in the consolation bracket and will still win even without those two players. But the moves still need to be reversed.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 18:14
Going to be some nailbiters tonight.
In the 1 vs 8 game where #8 DS is like 38.5 behind Shortbus but he has Brees, White and Boley left. Certainly more than capable of making up those points.
2 vs. 7 ... #2 Da Bomb has beaten Peter N
3 vs 6... #6 Cards has upset #3 Dougs of War by a big margin
4 vs 5...I am up by like 25.5 over #5 Texas Taxes. He has DL Will Smith going so it would take a memorable game from him to eclipse me.
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StLCards Dude
ID: 31010716 Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 19:13
From a 2006 rifc thread The Fanball system will not be able to administer the add/drop limitations, so you are all cautioned to remember the rules. If any violations are noted, please report them and I'll reverse them.
I dropped the illegally added players from the teams but can't find a way right now to add the other players back since they are on waivers and they don't show up with the add/drop function.
Be advised that the following players are NOT available to be added even though they are IDP.
LB J. Durant DB M. Williams
They should not be available as the Titans could not drop them. The other players dropped are ineligble to be added anyway. If nothing else, I will add them all back after they clear waivers.
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StLCards Dude
ID: 31010716 Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 19:16
I should clarify that the other two IDP
LB S. Cooper LB P. Lenon
ARE available to be claimed off waivers this week, but only by playoff teams.
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StLCards Dude
ID: 31010716 Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 19:38
I poked around and found a way to restrict non-playoff teams from dropping players by placing all of the players on those teams on the "can't cut" list.
Since playoff teams can still drop QB, RB, WR, D (just can't pick any up per post 95) I didn't restrict any players on playoff teams.
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StLCards Dude
ID: 31010716 Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 20:12
I submitted a help ticket to aol about how to add the players back in from waivers so maybe I'll have an answer before waivers run on Wed, but since the 2 players that could be added during the process are back on waivers there shouldn't be any problems anyway, hopefully.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 21:26
For clarification, this week only the final 4 teams will be able to add non-prime players or still top 8?
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 21:28
DS got 19 points in the first qtr. He's gotta be feeling pretty good so far. Still a little over 19.5 behind.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Mon, Dec 10, 2007, 21:30
LOL, I forgot I still had Colston going tonight. I REALLY like my chances now. ;)
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mjd Leader
ID: 501381415 Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 00:27
For the commish to add a player on wavers, temporarily turn off wavers by going to Commissioner->Rules Setup->Wavers.
Change the answer to the question "Does your league use a waver wire system" to "no". After moving the players change it back to "yes" to turn them back on.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 00:50
Thanks mjd.
DS with the upset.
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Letter_J
ID: 353551013 Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 08:12
Congrats to ds.
When I was looking at the potential playoff seedings in week 12, I said to myself, ds is a dangerous team...he has many explosive players. While it is true that he was an eight seed and the Bus was a one seed, when I looked at each roster, I said to myself, well, that would not really be an upset...Adrian Peterson, who carried me to many a win, was the difference; 0.3 from a running back did me in.
Sure enough, I score a very respectable 162 even with the Peterson performance (for lack of a better (polite) word) and lose...oh well, I achieved my first goal and that was to lock up an invite to the RIFC. My fantasy season is now over; this is the ONLY league that I play in. Good luck to the four left standing.
Thanks to those that commished. Thank you as well to all my fellow competitors for providing fun/grief/stress every week for 14 weeks.
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StLCards Dude
ID: 31010716 Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 10:24
RE: 124 mjd - I thought about doing that but figured I would then lose the players 'legally' on waivers. If I turn waivers off and then back on will the others still be on waivers? thanks
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StLCards Dude
ID: 31010716 Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 10:41
The reply I received from AOL said:
Thank you for contacting AOL Fantasy Customer Service. You will have to turn off waivers, this will clear off all players on waivers. Please let us know if you have other questions.
So they obviously missed the part where I said I was afraid to mess with waivers as I didn't want to lose the players that were 'legally' on waivers.
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StLCards Dude
ID: 31010716 Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 11:01
Here's the latest response and confirms what I was thinking.
Thank you for contacting AOL Fantasy Customer Service. There isn't an option to only clear certain players from waivers. To get those players back on the proper team, you either need to clear all waiver players or wait until they clear waivers and then add them back to the appropriate team.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 11:49
ShortBus Stalwarts 162.18 deepsnapper passes underhanded 169.72 PeterN 102.62 Da Bomb Squad 155.06 Can't Beat The Refs 185.80 Texas Taxes 151.68 TB 116.40 The Titans of New York 144.80 Oaktown Raiders 130.62 Hubble's 114.40 Sunday Trippers 148.58 Your Future RIFC AAA Champ 103.26 The Dougs of War 112.48 Stl Cards 152.56
I knew after the draft that this was one competitive league. I meant it when I said anyone from the top 8 could win this thing. You had better bring it each and every week if you want to even have a chance to win.
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mjd Leader
ID: 501381415 Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 12:28
127-I reversed an illegal transaction in last year's playoffs, but it was after Wednesday and they were the only players on wavers at that time. I guess that's why it wasn't a problem.
I'm impressed that you actually got a reply from AOL. I've sent them several questions in the past and have never received an answer. I just figured that I was getting what I paid for....nothing.
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loki SuperDude
ID: 4211201420 Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 14:27
I made the transactions based on post #96 by St. Louis Cards indicating that it is within the rules to add/drop IDPs.
per Guru from the rifc thread: to review the rules for roster adjustments during the playoffs: Players at the primary skill positions (QB, RB, WR) and team defenses may not be added for any reason during the playoffs. Free agents at these positions will be locked out after the final regular season game. You may drop a player at one of these positions, but once dropped, that player cannot be added later.
Players at the other positions (TE, PK, IDP) may be added or dropped according to normal regular season guidelines, subject to playoff claiming priorities, if applicable.
Team which are not still active in the Championship playoffs may not make any transactions - adds or drops - even if they are still competing in the Consolation bracket.
Also, claiming/waiver priorities will be reset one last time. Following the final regular season game, priorities will be reset based on playoff seed, with the top seed getting the top priority. Thereafter, throughout the playoffs, priorities will again adjust only when a claim is awarded.
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StLCards Dude
ID: 31010716 Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 14:38
The confusion is probably in this part:
Team which are not still active in the Championship playoffs may not make any transactions - adds or drops - even if they are still competing in the Consolation bracket.
There are two brackets set up, the Championship bracket and the consolation bracket. Your team fell just short of the championship bracket so therefore you weren't supposed to make any transactions the rest of the way.
It didn't affect the outcome either way.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 14:52
Cards, based on the rules, it seems to me that only teams still alive for the championship can make add/drops. Those other illegal moves still need to be reversed at some point in case one of the top 4 teams want them. The other 10 teams can not make any moves at all as I understand the rules.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 14:55
Also, we need TB or Cards to manually create the matchups for this week when you get time. Thanks.
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StLCards Dude
ID: 31010716 Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 15:00
What other illegal moves? Something more than I spelled out above in the various posts?
I've also reposted your question in the rifc thread hoping guru will respond. My take at this point would be that all championship teams are still 'active' at this point since they are still playing for 5-8th spot. Hopefully guru will clarify this soon.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 15:07
Cards, I don't think you do play for 5th to 8th do you? At least they aren't covered in the brackets. But even if they were, I read the statement to be still alive for the championship and since this isn't a keeper league, I think only the teams alive should be able to. Not that I have anyone I am looking at to this point and didn't bother last week either.
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StLCards Dude
ID: 31010716 Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 15:21
I hadn't realized that once you lose you are done, but given that then I say you are right, once a championship bracket team loses they can't make any moves and there would be no reason for them to do so anyway.
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StLCards Dude
ID: 31010716 Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 18:14
Everything should be set for this week. TB advances on in the consolation bracket and is scheduled vs Trip to avoid a rematch with Titans. This is done per rifc.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 11:03
I just looked at DS' lineup and not only is his team solid, but he has some fantastic matchups. I think he beat me both times this year too. I need some pay back. Redemption shall be mine...I hope.
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 23:26
Thanks Letter_J. I'm alive in 3 of 8 leagues so I'm pretty lucky and considering the 49ers held AP down to single digits, me getting by you was amazing.
Ref - I'm taking it one week at a time. ;)
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 19:26
Westbrook falling down at the 1 and refusing to score a touchdown may be the difference in my winning or losing this week. I still have Gould but he has to score like 8 points points as of now. Incredible.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Sun, Dec 16, 2007, 20:00
Man. Now it looks like I'm down 10 points. Ugh Westbrook.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 11:56
Now I'm going to need 12 points from Gould.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 23:06
Watching this Bears game to see if Gould can get me 12 points s wearing on me. Good news is that Gould was primed to get it on the last drive but the Bears decided to go for it instead and gave it away. Still need a 40 yd FG to win. 3.38 behind now. Go Gould! One time baby.
Cards is currently 17.66 behind right now with Berrian, Vikings D and EJ Henderson left.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 23:40
After that mismanaged that would be winning FG, the best I can now hope for is a TD and a FG late or in OT to win it.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Mon, Dec 17, 2007, 23:44
Dang Westbrook... ;)
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StLCards Dude
ID: 31010716 Tue, Dec 18, 2007, 16:21
Congratulations to deepsnapper and Da Bomb for moving on to the Championship match.
Congrats also to Loki and TB for making it to the final game of the Consolation Bracket.
Good luck to all of you this week.
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Da Bomb Donor
ID: 487112814 Sun, Dec 23, 2007, 23:48
I don't even know who has the advantage going into tomorrow with me down by about 11 and my LT vs. DS's Shaun Phillips.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Mon, Dec 24, 2007, 00:47
With DS' incredible comeback over lil j and the westbrook and then bears decision not to kick a FG that would have beat him last week...it's destiny for him to win it all. With that being said, I do have LT in one league so am rooting hard for him.
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Mon, Dec 24, 2007, 10:39
Of course my team dominates this week!!! ;)
Last week Phillips had only one stat. It was a pick 6. No tackles or anything else. Of course that won him the game. As long as Phillips doesn't score well and LT plays like he has been and is healthy, DS could be in trouble. But again, it could be fate.
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Peter N.@ds'
ID: 48111242 Mon, Dec 24, 2007, 10:46
Correct me if I'm wrong, but ds should be up 17. I don't see AOL showing the fumble McNabb coughed up that Curtis recovered for a TD. Should be an interesting MNF game. I have to root for my buddy ds. Bring it home!
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Mon, Dec 24, 2007, 11:07
AOL is screwy like that. I continued to lose points overnight last week. I think for a total of about 5 or 6 points. I knew I was going to lose 2 or 3 points as Barnett's was higher than what CBS had and CBS is almost always right in live scoring. No idea where the other points went. Point is that AOL might not have the correct score until tomorrow (or some arbitrary time before then) if in fact the score isn't correct at this point.
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Electroman
ID: 73332719 Mon, Dec 24, 2007, 21:39
RE 152:
Earlier in the year, I thought that you lost points for any fumble also, but it has to be a lost fumble. Recovered by the other team.
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TB
ID: 111048300 Thu, Dec 27, 2007, 00:11
My last act (after posting the final standings in the recap thread) was to pass commish controls back to Trip and remove them from my name. I swear on all that I find holy, I will never log into aol football again in this lifetime.
=)
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Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Dec 27, 2007, 01:08
Congrats again to DS. It was Fate!!!
Thanks TB for taking over commish duties and thanks to Cards for also helping out.
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StLCards Dude
ID: 31010716 Thu, Dec 27, 2007, 13:46
Roy, congrats on great run through the playoffs! Enjoy the RIFC next year :)
I am running a "buddy group/league" with the cbs nfl.com playoff challenge.
if you want an invite, send me an email or post it here.
it is free.
Judy (AA commish)
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deepsnapper Leader
ID: 017103420 Thu, Mar 27, 2008, 18:32
Thanks Ref and Cards. I've been offline for a couple of months and I appreciate the props. It's sometimes a matter of being lucky at the right time that makes the difference.
I've had my run of "3" bad things to start the year, so I'm ready for a run of good luck to start again. lol.