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Subject: What appalled me on FOX News Channel today Posted by: Mattinglyinthehall - Dude [01629107] Fri, May 09, 2008, 09:23 Thread inspired by this news package which FOX News Channel ran yesterday afternoon. | |||||||
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| 1211 | Perm Dude ID: 431013412 Fri, Jun 27, 2014, 09:46 |
Why is this taking 7 years? A number of reasons: -the earlier crises to which you refer were bank crises (as you point out). They were not recessions, housing bubble bursts, or anything like what started in 2007-2008. Not even close -the unwillingness of the GOP to invest in jobs or even to help people out made it much more difficult to recover. Instead of spending hard-earned money recovering, many people were just surviving. -recoveries rely upon bank loans. Notice anything different about this one? Banks aren't loaning. You've decided, quite simply, that Obama is at fault for the economy and are casting about for reasons why this is so. | ||||||
| 1212 | Boldwin ID: 21532278 Fri, Jun 27, 2014, 10:02 |
PD, PD, PD *shakes head* It's Bush's fault! Don't you know that? | ||||||
| 1213 | Boldwin ID: 21532278 Fri, Jun 27, 2014, 10:03 | And O is steering us out of the ditch, he's just taking the scenic route. | ||||||
| 1214 | Gator ID: 13521231 Fri, Jun 27, 2014, 10:12 | The economy is doing exactly what every non-liberal person with a sense for the economy thought it would do. There is no mass conspiracy of GOP members getting together and planning to trash the economy. It is amazing how you can blame the GOP for everything. The purpose of a business is to make money for the owners. PD, go borrow money and start a business to help people, see how long you survive. Socialism only works if the vast majority buys into it, the problems is the idea is nuts and the majority is sane. | ||||||
| 1215 | biliruben ID: 81382416 Fri, Jun 27, 2014, 10:35 |
Actually, the GOP is precisely who is to blame. Because they filibustered any attempt to raise spending to hire back all those laid off teachers, construction workers doing basic maintenance on our infrastructure, cops and firefighters, they have intentionally, and destructively held back the recovery. Even Reagan wasn't this stupid. 
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| 1216 | Pancho Villa ID: 2131916 Fri, Jun 27, 2014, 11:39 |
There is nothing keeping the economy from booming except Obama. That's a personal opinion based on emotion, devoid of rational thought. As I've pointed out, and Gator and Boldwin have chosen to ignore, the economy in my area is booming. This is an area that is Mitt Romney country by a margin of 10 to 1. This an area that is as anti-Obama as you can find. But business here is thriving. It has almost nothing to do with Obama. It has nothing to do with cronyism or bribes. If it did, my business would have failed a long time ago, since I'm not a member of the LDS Church, but the vast majority of my customers are Mormons. Even though I'm sure this will be ignored by those stuck on negative, I post this article from June 5 about economic activity in the city where I live: “The growth that Lehi is experiencing is fantastic," said Lehi City Councilman Chris Condie. "It shows how vibrant Lehi’s economy is and that Lehi is among the best locations in Utah." Acting as the tour guide, Lehi Planning Director Kim Struthers directed the attention of those aboard the Fun Bus to Spring Meadow Ranches in west Lehi and its custom-built homes on half-acre lots that are starting at $500,000. “We wondered if there would be a demand and so far there is,” Struthers said. From Spring Meadow Ranches, the bus drove past Kensington Place, another high-dollar residential development and then past sites along 2100 North You’ll notice that they are really making some significant progress,” Struthers said regarding the hospital and medical building construction. The iASIS Medical Center will be 185,000 square feet when the first phase is completed, with plans for a future expansion of 74,000 square feet. Builders have posted the necessary bonds and have begun construction for the approved Porsche Audi dealership, a 39,000-square-foot-building on 2.96 acres at Digital Drive and Timpanogos Highway. Utah Community Credit Union has plans for a seven-story, 60,000-square-foot building near the dealership, and has begun moving dirt to prepare the site. Traveling west from Traverse Mountain, the city leaders exited the bus to stop and tour the Courtyard by Marriott hotel. “You basically have the Hyatt, Hilton and Marriot all together,” Struthers said. The Hyatt will be a full-service hotel built on the knoll on the west side above the Triumph Boulevard entry to the Traverse Mountain community. Within the past 24 months, Arbys, Costa Vida, Cubbys, Dickey's, Firehouse Subs, JDawgs, Popeye's, Starbucks, the Thai Drift Swift and Zaxby’s have become neighbors of the Del Taco and JCW’s in the area just east of Thanksgiving Point Business Park and west of I-15. Not to be left out, a McDonald’s is being built on the east side of the freeway below the Traverse Mountain commercial and community developments. The Outlets at Traverse Mountain is building its second phase and well on its way to becoming the largest outlet mall in Utah Valley. As for its large, bright sign, the outlet mall reports it has seen a 40 percent increase in sales since the sign was completed. Another goal was that Lehi City should actively recruit and incentivize complementary high-technology companies to locate within the city. City staff said more tech companies are continuing to call Lehi home. Additionally, the report said the office park surrounding Thanksgiving Point benefited by demand created by IM Flash and has the potential to become the premier Class A office park in northern Utah County. Adobe, located on Digital Way, has received approval for its second phase build-out, according to Struthers. Inside the Traverse Mountain planned community, east of the Homeowners Association building, is city property slated for a third fire station. Just beyond the fire station, a two-story 45,000-square-foot medical office is planned. connections between the light rail and Frontrunner stations. Perry Homes has six phases planned for its development that will cover the entire area east of the Xactware building on the southern slopes of Traverse Mountain. The Seasons Apartments on Morning Vista Road above Xactware will have 440 units, as compared to Cresthaven’s 340 units located at North Traverse Mountain Boulevard. Headed east toward the Ivory Homes planned community, the bus tour came across several more projects -- Ivory Homes offices, the Lofts at Ivory Ridge townhomes and the new Lehi high school campus. “At the new high school, I think they have already started pouring concrete,” Struthers said. Headed back south, he pointed out the city’s new pressurized irrigation reservoir under construction. It’s the city’s largest yet at 50 acre-feet of water, five times bigger than the city’s largest existing reservoir. Moving south again, the tour guide drove through the Mill Pond Commercial and Industrial area, where Mill Pond Plaza, a 64,000-square-foot development, was recently completed. Dry Creek Structures also added 5,150 square feet. The Willes PRD concept plan has a proposed pavilion, wetland interpretive center and 49 lots on 60.29 acres at 1630 South and 300 East. Another senior living community is underway, Leisure Villas, with 82 units at Pioneer Crossing and Center Street. Finally, Holiday Oil will be the first convenience store with gasoline sales and a car wash on Pioneer Crossing, located at approximately 500 West "And to think we’re only at 35 to 40 percent build-out,” Condie said link BOOMING!BOOMING!BOOMING! BIG BUSINESS! SMALL BUSINESS! HOUSING! NEW HOSPITALS! NEW SCHOOLS! Please stay in whatever hellhole of negativity you reside. My economy is booming. Obama is President. Hopes are not destroyed- not even close. This is what real conservatives are accomplishing while you crybabies whine. | ||||||
| 1217 | Razor ID: 811221116 Fri, Jun 27, 2014, 15:03 | The economy is vastly better now than when Obama took over. That's not up for debate. The majority of Americans are also better off now when then when Obama took over. I am one of them. | ||||||
| 1218 | Gator ID: 13521231 Sat, Jun 28, 2014, 00:21 |
Of course the economy is better now then when Obama took over because we had a financial institution collapse caused by the democrats! Is the economy better than the Reagan years or the Newt Gingrich balanced budget years? The liberals act as if nothing they do affects the economy. The biggest joke is blaming the GOP for 7 years of a stagnate economy because they did not allow Obama to spend more. He spent more money than all the other presidents combined and now I read the GOP is at fault " Because they filibustered any attempt to raise spending to hire back all those laid off teachers, construction workers doing basic maintenance on our infrastructure, cops and firefighters, they have intentionally, and destructively held back the recovery." Other than infrastructure, none of those are federal jobs! This is the kind of ideology that is scary. I heard this argument before with liberals about FDR, who kept the economy from growing for over a decade. Pancho, it is great you are doing so well, living around capitalists I am sure helps, but nationally the country is faltering and Obama's policies are the reason. What more evidence do you need socialism does not work? Does the economy have to completely collapse? The liberals here are always acting like they are championing cause of the poor and middle class, when those are the groups they hurt the most. If they truly gave a damn about anything except their own pride in their failed economic philosophy they would attempt to move at least some to the middle. Defend Obama all you like but you do it for your own arrogance and the people you hurt be damned for you do not care about them. | ||||||
| 1219 | Boldwin ID: 21532278 Sat, Jun 28, 2014, 05:29 |
I will never forget Frances Fox Piven, co-designer of the progressive plan to destroy America by overburdening the social services. She was addressing a crowd of her adoring marxists followers in the Occupy movement and she was lecturing them that these Democrat claims that they were out to benefit the middle class were incorrect. The video was pulled from youtube tho someday I will find a way to resurrect that thing. In point of fact the middle class have always been the favorite enemy of marxist theorists and who have long loathed them under the moniker 'The Bourgeoisie'. Obama's effect on the shrinking middle class has been all too predictable. | ||||||
| 1220 | biliruben ID: 28420307 Sat, Jun 28, 2014, 06:06 | You are appallingly ignorant about how state and local governments are funded, Gator. Hundreds of billions of dollars are directed to state and local governments every year from the federal government for all of those things. | ||||||
| 1221 | Boldwin ID: 21532278 Sat, Jun 28, 2014, 09:47 |
You say that like it's a good thing, bili. That is exactly how and why States are unable to get the tentacles of the federal government out of their 'labratory of democracy'. | ||||||
| 1222 | Gator ID: 13521231 Sat, Jun 28, 2014, 12:06 | I know how it works and if you care so much about cops, teachers and firefighters then tell Obama to stop spending money on loopy left wing pork barrel projects. | ||||||
| 1223 | Boldwin ID: 21532278 Sat, Jun 28, 2014, 13:10 |
*Voice of amusement ride barker* On your left you'll see 80% of the west federally set aside where no oil drilling is allowed. Further to your left get a glimpse of the vast expansion of ocean sanctuaries *where no oil drilling will be permitted. [until after the revolution] Below us is Northwestern University professor Robert Gordon explaining that American Economic growth is over for the foreseeable future. We'll never get back to the employment figure of 2007 and we should just get used to it. We'll be flying around the gigantic peak that is the pile of new regulations, 68 new ones every day. With 330 major ones creating a drag of over $100,000,000 on the economy each Oh look! The EPA has taken time off their busy schedule looking at porn and pooping in the hallway to produce 2,827 new final regulations, equaling 24,915 pages in the Federal Register, totaling approximately 24,915,000 words. Obama is required by law to publish a heads-up to businesses of the coming regulatory outlook every six months and the likely economic impact of these regs. The National Federation of Independent Business estimates some of the known rules clocks in at over $515 billion anualy in economic costs not even counting new oil/coal/fracking regulations. And they all chipped in for a bag of cement. For each business and businessman. Oh look. There's Steve Wynn, a self-described “Democratic businessman,” who told investors that business leaders will be “sitting on their thumbs” until Mr. Obama leaves office. “This administration is the greatest wet blanket to business and progress and job-creation in my lifetime,” By the banks of the rivers you can see all the fishermen. They all lost 10+ hrs a week from their work schedules thanks to Obamacare and now have nothing better to do. The bad news is they'll have to take a second 30 hr a week job someday when there's another administration and the jobs return. Everybody put on your party hats!!! Optimism has finally threatened to hit positive territory! And it only took six years, the worst 'recovery' ever!  | ||||||
| 1224 | Boldwin ID: 21532278 Sat, Jun 28, 2014, 13:13 | Of course Obama is the first president in the history of the law written in 1980 to refuse to obey the law revealing his regulatory outlook adding to the climate of business uncertainty and economic inertia. | ||||||
| 1225 | Pancho Villa ID: 2131916 Sat, Jun 28, 2014, 21:17 |
the worst 'recovery' ever! Actually, it's the most positive movement in a 5 and a half year period since 1986 from 80 to 100, making it the most successful recovery in that time period. Of course, it doesn't come close to surpassing the amazing recovery of the Dow Jones Industrial average, which has the best performance in a 5 and a half year period in the history of the stock market. The climate of economic inertia is supported by the numbers. It's hot. | ||||||
| 1226 | Boldwin ID: 21532278 Sat, Jun 28, 2014, 21:39 |
Really, go look at Reagan's actual recovery and this unreal one that hasn't even registered in the lives of the average American. But do run a presidential election on the basis that Americans believe we've had a recovery. Brag about it. You will get so blown out of the water. | ||||||
| 1227 | Pancho Villa ID: 2131916 Sat, Jun 28, 2014, 21:52 |
Another emotional outburst void of rational thought. How many times do I have to say it? The President doesn't have that much control of the economy. You're so intent on dissing Obama, that you can't see straight. Good thing you know science(har, har) because you certainly don't understand economics. | ||||||
| 1228 | Pancho Villa ID: 2131916 Sat, Jun 28, 2014, 21:58 |
But do run a presidential election on the basis that Americans believe we've had a recovery. Brag about it. You will get so blown out of the water. I have no plans, at this point, to run for president. | ||||||
| 1229 | Boldwin ID: 21532278 Sat, Jun 28, 2014, 23:16 |
As if you understand economics. What on earth are you celebrating? | ||||||
| 1231 | Pancho Villa ID: 2131916 Sun, Jun 29, 2014, 10:29 |
What on earth are you celebrating? See post 1216. As predicted when I posted it, you ignored it. Time we recognized and celebrated the ladies! Small business owners are feeling optimistic – and women entrepreneurs are feeling particularly so, according to the Spring 2014 Bank of America Small Business Owner Report (PDF). Two out of five women in the survey opened their businesses in the last five years. But despite their fledgling status, nearly three-fourths (70 percent) of women business owners expect sales to grow this year, and more than half (56 percent) plan to hire in 2014. You go, girls! Maybe you can teach some of the guys around here that success in business is based on determination, confidence, adaptation, and an ability to network and communicate with persons of all political, religious and lifestyle persuasions. Maybe you can teach them that whining about the president's policies, which have little to nothing to do with day to day operations, is not a recommended business plan. So, my question is, "Who or what will you blame for your failures after Obama leaves office?" | ||||||
| 1233 | Pancho Villa ID: 2131916 Sun, Jun 29, 2014, 20:07 |
We show how the economy is stagnant nationally and you point to one small area to counter it. We? I assume you're taking at least partial credit for Boldwin's link in #1229, which talks about the 2014 1st quarter drop in GNP. Economic indicators are not based on one quarter of activity. As explained here, The larger-than-expected drop in output is not a harbinger of an economy headed back to recession or even softening. Many economists say much of the first-quarter weakness was the result of temporary factors, such as unusually harsh winter weather. They expect growth to exceed 3% in the current quarter and the rest of the year. In a research note before Wednesday's report, Goldman Sachs said, "2014 will mark the start of a period of clearly above-trend growth for the US economy." Paul Dales of Capital Economics said the contraction "was still largely due to the extreme weather" and "not a sign that the U.S. is suffering from a fundamental slowdown." Reports this week show that the housing market picked up last month after the dismal first-quarter, with new homes selling at the fastest pace since 2008, and existing-home sales posting their largest increase in three years. Job growth, consumer confidence and measures of manufacturing and service sector activity also have gained steam recently. Nobody listens to you or Boldwin nationally. They listen to Goldman Sachs, Capital Economics and USA Today, among others. 1216 article is about economic activity in Lehi, Utah(not Provo). The entire state is doing well, but so are many others. State Jobs added (2010-2013) % Change New Jobs Per 10,000 People North Dakota 65,466 17% 940 District of Columbia 21,348 2.9% 337 Utah 98,589 8.1% 336 Texas 794,239 7.4% 299 Colorado 146,327 6.3% 277 California 904,496 6.0% 236 Michigan 228,559 5.9% 233 Minnesota 122,496 4.6% 226 Hawaii 30,571 4.6% 218 Arizona 140,780 5.7% 211 In this study U.S. Cities Most And Least Recovered Since The Recession are identified. No Utah cities made the top 10, likely because they weren't as negatively affected by the recession. But, for this conversation, more interesting than the most recovered are the least recovered. Cicero, Illinois, claims the title of city least recovered from the recession. It’s followed by Detroit, Michigan–the largest city on the list of those least improved–and Miami Gardens, Florida. Sixteen of the 50 least recovered cities in the U.S. are in Florida. Jashti attributes this to the state’s reliance on tourism and other low-growth industries. Boldwin lives in Illinois, and Florida is home to the Gators. I don't know if you live in Florida, Gator, but it sucks that you guys live in states where economic activity is sub par. That doesn't equate to what's happening nationally. Even though "the economy is stagnant nationally" is an improvement from the original propaganda claim that "Obama's policies have destroyed all hope," you immediately revert to propaganda - the fact that Obama's socialist policies have hurt, destroyed, slowed, paralyzed, tanked, screwed, stewed and tattooed (pick any word you like) the NATIONAL economy, which, of course, is not a fact. A fact would be something like a graph of the stock market's outstanding performance, an economic indicator you and your mentor conveniently ignore, or lying by omission. But I'm the master of propaganda. Finally, Grats on finding a demographic doing well. How about the one legged midget demographic, is it doing well? Do you really think women are as inconsequential a demographic as one-legged midgets? Of course not, but when you have nothing coherent to say, just say anything that comes to mind. Seek therapy. | ||||||
| 1234 | Boldwin ID: 27520303 Mon, Jun 30, 2014, 04:30 |
PV Kudos for the heroic effort to put lipstick on this pig but it's a disaster to still be this far down. Any other recovery would have been roaring back by now. The stock market isn't felt by mainstreet, it isn't felt by the public. It isn't moving the needle on unemployment or we would be well back over the employment numbers at the start of the depression. The population grows and that number has to grow just to keep even with the need. And it won't get back into daylight until the wet-blanket-in-chief is out of office and he takes his big government and his regulations with him. | ||||||
| 1235 | Boldwin ID: 27520303 Mon, Jun 30, 2014, 04:34 | Actually maybe not even then because he has set the most unpopular damaging aspects of his regulations and laws to go off like timebombs in the next administration. The war on coal alone is gonna come down on this country like the grim reaper ever more-so. | ||||||
| 1236 | Boldwin ID: 27520303 Mon, Jun 30, 2014, 04:50 |
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| 1237 | Gator ID: 13521231 Mon, Jun 30, 2014, 07:38 | This is a perfect example of propaganda. PV knows Obama had nothing to do with the gain in the stock market yet he continually brings it up. The ones to thank for the stock market increase is Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, etc.. who drove down the stock market and the economy with the Fannie Mae fiasco. Stocks were at an all time low of course it gained points. I guess no matter how bad the economy gets if you can find anywhere in the U.S. that is not suffering or a demographic that is doing slightly better than most then everything is hunky dory. I wondered how liberals on this forum would justify this slow recovery and now I know.. they deny it is happening. Just cherry pick the good areas and ignore the rest. | ||||||
| 1238 | Boldwin ID: 27520303 Mon, Jun 30, 2014, 12:21 | Shhhhhh...let them go into 2014 and 2016 playing 'Happy Days Are Here Again'. It will be a rout if they dare let the election focus on the economy. | ||||||
| 1239 | Pancho Villa ID: 2131916 Mon, Jun 30, 2014, 12:23 |
The stock market isn't felt by mainstreet, it isn't felt by the public. That's a popular cliché that isn't completely meritless, but fails to properly analyze the effects of market success, and, even more important, the economic calamity that would have resulted had the markets not rebounded as they did. It's true that there are fewer Mom and Pop investors reaping the gains of the markets, but part of the reason is the constant deluge of gloom and doom predictions promoted by the anti-Obama forces on one side, and the Occupy Wall Street forces on the other. Both present a distorted and unrealistic view of the markets based on fear and loathing. Neither encourages confidence to invest in the markets. The perception is that only the very rich and giant institutional investment firms have benefitted from the markets' performance. I use the plural form of markets, because there are many investment opportunities beyond the DOW, NASDAQ and S&P 500. The gloom and doom predictors have been made to look like charlatans. Boldwin even started a thread honoring Nouriel Roubini, and I quote, "Love the name. He's nicked Dr. Doom." How does someone who so thoroughly admires the Dr. Doom of economics expect to have credibility discussing economic market performance? Then there's Meredith Whitney, who predicted a U.S. municipal-bond apocalypse in 2010, deregistered her brokerage unit following three unprofitable years. After her muni bond prediction, my financial guy advised me of some muni bond deals that I scooped up. They pay 5-6% tax free annually, which is impossible to realize in any other guaranteed investment. Thanks, Meredith. Even though much of the public hasn't profited directly from the markets' performance, there are plenty of indirect economic benefits. And for those who haven't taken advantage of markets' performance, part of the blame can be laid at the feet of those who promote fear and mistrust. As for the ridiculous 'war on coal' claims, consider the following: Montana (with 942 coal miners) produces more coal than Virginia (with 5,262 coal miners). Wyoming (with 5,837 coal miners) produces more coal than West Virginia, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Alabama, and Illinois combined (with a total of 58,995 coal miners). Due to this discrepancy, the coal mining industry has increasingly moved production to these Western states (especially to the Powder River Basin), and has dramatically cut its workforce in Appalachia. Since 1900, technological developments in the coal mining industry have dramatically increased miner productivity; thus, while U.S. coal production is currently at a record high, mining employment is a fraction of what it was during the heyday of coal mining in the 1910's and 20's link Pretending to care about coal miners is just comical. | ||||||
| 1240 | Pancho Villa ID: 2131916 Mon, Jun 30, 2014, 12:34 |
Gator, much like you don't understand economics, you don't understand th definition of propaganda. Here's a perfect example: "Obama's policies have destroyed any hopes.." You're welcome. | ||||||
| 1241 | Boldwin ID: 27520303 Mon, Jun 30, 2014, 13:14 |
"Pretending to care about coal miners is just comical." I am sure state Democrat committee meetings in Ohio, Virginia, West Virginia, PA, Kentucky and Illinois are a real hoot. | ||||||
| 1242 | Gator ID: 13521231 Tue, Jul 01, 2014, 11:58 | Sad thing is Boldwin, PV knows Obama had nothing to do with the stock market gains and I think he knows Obama is bad for the economy, in fact, most here know Obama is bad for the economy but they would rather see the country go to hell rather than admit they were wrong. | ||||||
| 1243 | Pancho Villa ID: 2131916 Thu, Jul 03, 2014, 09:10 |
Obama had nothing to do with the stock market gains and I think he knows Obama is bad for the economy According to economic pundit Paul Farrell, The Great Obama Bull Market Will Roar Til 2016! GOP conservatives may have been successful in slowing America’s economic recovery. But the stock market is actually getting surprisingly stronger from this political war. With every Obama progressive move — Obamacare, ERA regulations, equal pay for women, gay rights, minimum wages, stem-cell research, immigration, Osama bin Laden, deficit cuts and so much more — GOP conservatives and the tea party learn little, only hear enough for another attack on Obama, offer no solutions, just opposition. Farrell is a bit more optimistic than I, and gives too much credit to Obama for market performance, but he nails it perfectly at the end of that paragraph. Learn little, attack Obama, offer no solutions. No matter how much conservatives will forever hate to admit it, if the Great Obama Bull Market keeps roaring till 2016, it deserves a chapter in the history books. | ||||||
| 1244 | Pancho Villa ID: 2131916 Thu, Jul 03, 2014, 09:33 |
Let me add that Farrell is kind of like the Ann Coulter of economic pundits. He's more concerned with creating controversial headlines and tongue-in-cheek articles than offering well researched economic analysis. In the context of responding to Gator's recent posts, it's quite hilarious. | ||||||
| 1245 | Boldwin ID: 5624318 Thu, Jul 03, 2014, 19:35 | I wonder how many months until the same hedge fund robber barrons who made out like bandits the last crash repeat their performance. | ||||||
| 1246 | Perm Dude ID: 586411123 Sat, Aug 09, 2014, 20:43 | When FOX News and FOX News Latino covers the same story. | ||||||
| 1247 | sarge33rd ID: 8830618 Sat, Sep 06, 2014, 19:30 |
FOX broadcast accuses Obama of releasing in 2009, the founder of ISIS Pirro: The head of this band of savages is a man by the name of Abu al-Baghdadi. The new Osama Bin Laden. A man released by Obama in 2009, who started ISIS a year later. Kelly: We are also learning more about the leader of the terror group, a man described as the new Bin Laden, the heir to Bin Laden. It turns out he had been in U.S. custody until 2009, over in Iraq, when he was then turned over to the Iraqi government as part of our troop drawdown. And then he was released. Here is the truth, as stated in the linked article; “Ibrahim Awad Ibrahim Al Badry, also known as ‘Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi’ was held as a ‘civilian internee’ by U.S. Forces-Iraq from early February 2004 until early December 2004, when he was released,” the Pentagon said in a statement. “He was held at Camp Bucca. A Combined Review and Release Board recommended ‘unconditional release’ of this detainee and he was released from U.S. custody shortly thereafter. We have no record of him being held at any other time.” | ||||||
| 1248 | Perm Dude ID: 431013412 Tue, Dec 23, 2014, 16:35 |
"Sorry we made those calling for the arrest of cop killers sound like they wanted to kill cops." "Our bad!" Might as well have added "All you black people sound the same." | ||||||
| 1249 | Boldwin ID: 510591420 Tue, Dec 23, 2014, 16:54 |
The cops disagree with you, PD. | ||||||
| 1250 | Perm Dude ID: 431013412 Tue, Dec 23, 2014, 17:07 |
Sadly, you think that your post is somehow in response to the facts in mine. You would be wrong. How about reading the link first? Naaaah. | ||||||
| 1251 | Boldwin ID: 510591420 Tue, Dec 23, 2014, 17:48 |
It's all about the rampant liberal anti-cop hysteria...the inevitable outcome of liberal rhetoric. Riding to their agenda outcome on the backs of dead cops.(barely) deniable violence for purposes of intimidation is all part of the scheme. That’s what “no justice, no peace” means. As Richard Fernandez has written: “It is impossible to understand the politics of the Left without grasping that it is all about deniable intimidation.” That’s why they don’t want you to own guns, and that’s why they’re so panicked at groups, like the Tea Party, that aren’t intimidated. - source | ||||||
| 1252 | Boldwin ID: 510591420 Tue, Dec 23, 2014, 18:02 |
Deny this report... | ||||||
| 1253 | Bean ID: 121011511 Wed, Dec 24, 2014, 12:02 |
When does martial law start in NYC? How many NYC residents are getting (even more) scared now? It's enough to make you want to stay in your apartment and go out as little as possible. Unfortunately for the cops, that's not an option. Many New Yorkers are already on the edge of sanity, how many will go over the edge now? THIS is what happens when sane people publicly demonize cops as a group. Nut jobs think it's open season on cops "cause we all hate them, right?" | ||||||
| 1254 | Perm Dude ID: 431013412 Wed, Dec 24, 2014, 13:56 |
It is hardly helped by the NYC police union, essentially saying that don't want to listen to their civilian boss. The problem isn't that one side is turning it to 11. It is that both are. | ||||||
| 1255 | Boldwin ID: 510591420 Wed, Dec 24, 2014, 15:30 |
Yeah, it was never a problem when crowds are chanting "What do we want, Dead cops, When do we want it? Now" It's only a problem when there is pushback. [/sarc] | ||||||
| 1256 | Boldwin ID: 510591420 Wed, Dec 24, 2014, 16:08 |
I'm willing to believe for the sake of argument that maybe this grad student/adjunct professor was overcharged with assault by the NYC police. Police do that all the time, false accusations by the police of assault and resisting arrest are commonplace and very expensive/damaging. Then again what I actually believe is that he brought a bag of hammers to a demonstration against police intending to distribute and use them against police.  This guy, a top organizer for the SEIU... This guy was in a group of seven thugs who ganged up on two cops and broke one of their noses, when the two cops tried to arrest the first guy described in this post. It's on videotape. No doubt about this one. But remember, it's only a problem when both sides 'turn it up to 11'. | ||||||
| 1257 | Boldwin ID: 510591420 Wed, Dec 24, 2014, 16:50 |
Remember what a big deal they make out of one skinhead showing up at a Tea Party rally? What's good for the goose... Commies actually organizing NYC anti-cop protests. ‘They’re Maoists.’ But they’re the only game in town, and I’ve got to admit they’re good organizers. They remembered everything but the Porta-Johns.”The New Black Panther party, a radical islamist spinoff from Farakahn...too radical for that bunch, is heavily involved in organizing Ferguson protests. Go ahead and google that. St Louis happens to be a beachhead for a large contingent of West African immigrants involved with the PLO and the drug trade. They are heavily recruiting for Islam and seeking to use the hostility for recruitment purposes. This stuff isn't happening in a vacuum. | ||||||
| 1258 | Gator ID: 31107286 Wed, Dec 24, 2014, 17:15 | Dan Aykroyd is inciting riots? | ||||||
| 1259 | Perm Dude ID: 431013412 Wed, Dec 24, 2014, 20:07 |
Used to be that conservatives were the "responsible party." Now, "everything goes" if they that can dig up (or invent) someone on the other side doing it, too. The proper response to a news organization which selectively edits the chants of a crowd to sound like they are saying the opposite of what they are is to call them for it. Is certainly is not to seek out others to match your narrative. It is to change your narrative. Making excuses to continue being a dick is un-Christ-like. But not new, on these boards. I am well aware of both false accusations against the police as well as the incredibly difficult job they have. I also know that neither of those things are an argument against the real and pervasive police brutality that strikes those of color disproportionally. Trying to make this a he said/he said argument, not surprisingly, demonstrates that the Right misses the point. | ||||||
| 1260 | Boldwin ID: 510591420 Wed, Dec 24, 2014, 20:26 |
Do you always get the lyrics right on the songs you here for the first time? The one mistake you reference was nothing but a mistake. Entire crowds of protesters quick to join in chants calling for the death of cops are well documented and your one example is meaningless. That you want to fixate on that one thing shows how desperate you are to distract from the true nature of the protests. | ||||||
| 1261 | Mith ID: 3692387 Thu, Dec 25, 2014, 07:39 |
The one mistake you reference was nothing but a mistake. No, that particular edit is not possibly a mistake. No person who has ever done the most rudimentary digital video editing could possibly believe that. The producer/editor who edited that video knew exactly what they were doing. That said it was a local affiliate and not really symptomatic of the particular kind of dishonesty you more typically get from FNC. As far as I know, the video never made it to air on the national network. Of course that wan't because of any keen fact-checking process at FNC, the local affil had simply been called out on the distortion immediately after they put it on the air and either did not distribute the video nationally or put a hold or a must-kill on it after it went out. Recall that Tampa's NBC affiliate did exactly the same thing when they dishonestly edited George Zimmerman's 911 call, though in that case Boldwin's highly discerning eye for video editor motives knew right away what was in the mind of the person who worked that video. | ||||||
| 1262 | Mith ID: 231150292 Thu, Feb 26, 2015, 15:24 | Daily Show's 50 FOX News lies in 6 seconds, fact-checked by Politifact. | ||||||
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