"If this guy prints more money between now and the election, I dunno what y’all would do to him in Iowa but we would treat him pretty ugly down in Texas. Printing more money to play politics at this particular time in American history is almost treasonous in my opinion."
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Perm Dude
ID: 39961218 Fri, Nov 11, 2011, 16:18
#304: We need clean coal. The fact that GE is both a contributor to his campaign and has clean coal technology isn't causal. It means you are unable to think it can be anything else.
You don't, for example, talk about all those coal plants (in Texas and elsewhere) who have gone to the time and expense of upgrading their systems with scrubbers and so on. Those plants in the South are hardly his supporters.
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Boldwin
ID: 35615181 Fri, Nov 11, 2011, 16:31
Unless you are a donation champion clean coal is a unicorn.
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Perm Dude
ID: 39961218 Fri, Nov 11, 2011, 16:34
Sure, it is all relative. But this is like saying that there is no difference between a bus from 1955 and a minivan today. Sure, they both pollute, but which would you prefer to have going by your front door 200 times a day?
Many of the old coal plants have no scrubbers. None. They were grandfathered in when the Clean Air Act was passed, they operate less than half the time, and they pollute the hell out of the place.
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Boldwin
ID: 35615181 Fri, Nov 11, 2011, 16:36
Did you click on the link?
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Perm Dude
ID: 39961218 Fri, Nov 11, 2011, 16:42
No. As I've mentioned elsewhere, as a rule I don't clock on youtube links.
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Boldwin
ID: 35615181 Fri, Nov 11, 2011, 16:46
You are missing one of the best things about the internet now, and for some reason you keep commenting after not following along, a forum no-no.
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Perm Dude
ID: 39961218 Fri, Nov 11, 2011, 22:58
a forum no-no.
hahahaha! From you, even.
Listen--my comments are about your comments, and are never inappropriately placed.
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Boldwin
ID: 35615181 Fri, Nov 11, 2011, 23:40
Even when my comment is a youtube link.
And you probably fill the air with rose petals and perfume as you pass too.
Now perhaps Perry thinks that the right not to be "beaten or killed because of their sexual orientation" or not being "subject to so-called corrective rape" are "special rights." But I suspect that if Perry thought it was appropriate to execute people based on sexual orientation, we probably would have known that by now. On the other hand, Perry supports criminalizing gay sex here in the US so maybe he's frustrated America isn't quite as up on its "traditional values" as say, Iran, where being gay is punishable by death.
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sarge33rd
ID: 251133912 Fri, Dec 09, 2011, 13:33
"Worst kept secret in TX", would lead one to believe then that he is feeling guilty over his escapades in college.
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Tree
ID: 41512710 Fri, Dec 09, 2011, 13:35
Real top notch stuff here tree.
yep, sorry for being pissed off at something a national political figure said, and finding some humor in the responses. maybe you oughta look for that sense of humor you lost.
(and yes, Perry may be currently irrelevant, but he still has the third highest poll numbers among the GOP candidates. numbers, BTW, that are still higher than those of Gingrich from just one month ago.)
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Mith
ID: 46121210 Fri, Dec 09, 2011, 13:48
You don't have to apologize for being angry with Rick Perry, Tree.
So he wore a jacket similar to one in Brokeback Mountain, huh? You're right that I lost the sense of humor that would have found that amusing. Sometime around 11th grade most likely (I was a late bloomer).
I guess it is true that I couldn't make that stuff up. That would take an actual juvenile.
Or a middle-aged, wannabe juvenile (now there's something to be proud of).
If I might offer a touch of advice, tree, why not convert to conservatism, at least for the purpose of posting in this forum? You could spam up the place with all the stupid crap you can find and Boldwin will defend your honor against every last criticsm and even call you a genius.
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Tree
ID: 41512710 Fri, Dec 09, 2011, 15:12
and i still find fart jokes funny too.
i'd rather maintain a sophomoric sense of humor on some matters and remain humble than be a pompous holier-than-thou jackass any day.
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Mith
ID: 23217270 Fri, Dec 09, 2011, 15:44
See that tree, you can be funny. Unintentional irony is where your talent for humor lies. Like when a member of a discussion group who relies more heavily on personal attacks on other members than anyone else in the forum calls anyone else "holier than thou."
You just need to focus on your strengths.
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Tree
ID: 41512710 Fri, Dec 09, 2011, 16:43
sorry you think i make more personal attacks than others. you might want to adjust your screen, because it's fuzzy.
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Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 37838313 Fri, Dec 09, 2011, 17:50
you think i make more personal attacks than others
That might also be true, but what I said is that you rely on personal attacks more than anyone. Post 324 is a perfect example. I criticize your post and in response you criticize me personally.
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Boldwin
ID: 4111685 Sat, Dec 10, 2011, 04:11
why not convert to conservatism...Boldwin will defend your honor against every last criticsm and even call you a genius.
Yeah, I'll call Tree a genius.
Truth is I have reluctantly refrained from justifiably patting the precious few conservatives here on the back.
I hope they don't take away from that a sense of lack of solidarity or appreciation.
Just doing my part to cut down on the number of posts without interesting information.
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sarge33rd
ID: 111147109 Sat, Dec 10, 2011, 10:47
that last line, made me spit coffee onto my keyboard.
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Tree
ID: 41512710 Sat, Dec 10, 2011, 11:38
Post 324 is a perfect example. I criticize your post and in response you criticize me personally.
sorry bud. you can play semantics all day, but 324 was no more personal than 321.
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Mith
ID: 23217270 Sat, Dec 10, 2011, 12:38
Tree
top notch stuff here tree is not a personal attack.
It's not my fault if you take it personally when someone criticizes what you write and I'm sorry but your taking it personally certainly doesn't make it a personal attack.
It is a different thing if your reaction is to disparage the the person who comments on what you write, rather than simply attempt to counter or discredit the comments themselves.
I didn't call you an idiot for those posts and what i did write was not even particularly harsh as far as sarcasm goes.
I admit that I did have to resist the temptation to make my comment personal (while admittedly succumbing to the temptation to say anything at all) but I did so.
When you responded with a criticism of my character rather than of what I wrote (even though it was pretty mild - no sense of humor) it was escalation enough to push past the limit of my resistance.
In my opinion (and I'm sure I'm not alone) those are really annoying spam posts which drastically lower the quality of debate and makes smart people not want to be part of this forum. Your position is that I'm not allowed to express this at all?
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DWetzel
ID: 31111810 Sat, Dec 10, 2011, 13:40
To be fair, Mith, Tree made what he thought was a lighthearted post. Was it lowish content? Yes. Was there anything terribly wrong with it? No.
Did you take a poke at it? Yes.
Did Tree take a minor poke at you for not liking his joke? Yes. Would it have been completely appropriate to say "Sorry you didn't find it funny. I did" instead of phrasing it exactly as he did? Yeah, probably.
Did that come close to warranting your rant in 325, including calling him a "middle aged wannabe juvenile"? Not even close. From there, it just devolved into two second grade girls having a stupid slap fight.
I think you get about 2/3 of the blame on this one. I'm sure you feel like you're completely innocent in this clever little exchange, but you're not.
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Mith
ID: 23217270 Sat, Dec 10, 2011, 14:01
Yes, 325 was an escalation.
It's unfortunate that as I've grown to find the features of this forum are ever increasingly outweighed by what I feel are it's downsides, I too often find myself contributing to the latter.
DWetzel, while there are a number of things you wrote that I don't quite agree with, I've had enough of this discussion.
I guess it's too much too ask that the fart jokes be kept to a minimum. And I guess that's my problem.
Finishing ahead of Huntsman and Bachmann. Bachmann is from IA and finishes this poor;y; should be the end of her run. Huntsman, is still puzzling to me, why he does so poorly. He too I think packs it in.
Perry's ego, I think will keep him running through New Hampshire, after a poor showing there, he too will drop out.
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Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915 Wed, Jan 04, 2012, 00:08
Perry is sticking in it until SC.
Huntsman will make a small comeback in NH--probably as high as third. But it'll be a walking death.
Santorum shot his wad in Iowa. He doesn't have any real infrastructure elsewhere, he's got little money (which might change) but most importantly he hasn't really been attacked by the other candidates. Once that happens he'll be toast.
Luckily he had a good structure in Iowa and spent a heck of a lot of time there. Biggest piece of luck: He peaked at the exact right time to finish at or near the top.
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Pancho Villa
ID: 597172916 Wed, Jan 04, 2012, 00:24
Perry just said he's going back to Texas. Looks like he's out.
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Mith
ID: 23217270 Wed, Jan 04, 2012, 01:48
Perry said prior to the vote counting that he was going to SC. He obviously expected to do better than a decisive 5th place finish. He came out tonight and said he's going back to Texas to reflect and pray and reassess his campaign. Sounds more likely than not he'll be out before New Hampshire next week. Bachmann also finished terribly, a humiliating turnout in the home state of a former front-runner, though she also said she's staying through SC.
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Mith
ID: 23217270 Wed, Jan 04, 2012, 01:51
Though I guess they're all former front runners. Still, if she can't even crack double digits in her home state and won't likely do much better in NH, I can't imagine better than 3rd place in SC. That shouldnt be enough to keep her in it.
And I guess Gingrich shouldn't be written off. John McCain finished 4th in Iowa in 2004.
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Mith
ID: 23217270 Wed, Jan 04, 2012, 01:52
Er, 2008.
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Mith
ID: 23217270 Wed, Jan 04, 2012, 02:03
Huntsman may have a chance at a better than 3rd place showing in NH, depending on how his week goes. I think there are two debates this weekend and with Perry possibly dropping out there could be a bit of shuffling. He finished poorly in Iowa because he never stepped foot in that state. I was wondering if he'd get more votes than Herman Cain tonight.
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Mith
ID: 23217270 Wed, Jan 04, 2012, 12:15
Perry, likely thanks at least in part to Bachmann stepping out, announces he's staying in.
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Boldwin
ID: 49030519 Thu, Jan 19, 2012, 09:23
CNN reports Perry dropping out.
I am guessing the elites figure Newts ex will tear him apart, Santorum isn't viable, so they don't need their Romney stalking horse [which is all establishment insider Perry ever was] anymore. I am sure Perry is glad this embarrassment is behind him.
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Boldwin
ID: 49030519 Thu, Jan 19, 2012, 10:38
Perry is endorsing Newt. Perhaps he doesn't understand why he was lured into running. But he wins points.
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Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915 Thu, Jan 19, 2012, 12:17
Perry was running third in Texas. The writing was pretty clear.
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Building 7 Leader
ID: 171572711 Thu, Jan 19, 2012, 13:47
Since they are down to 4 people, why can't Gary Johnson be in the debates? I can understand with 8 people. But now there is room for more. He only polls 1% so he can't be in the debates, and he can't increase his poll numbers unless he is in the debates.
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Seattle Zen
ID: 10732616 Thu, Jan 19, 2012, 18:27
Because he is not running as a Republican any more...