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Subject: Voter Fraud Watch
Posted by: Baldwin
- [30934119] Mon, Oct 11, 2004, 11:34
One thousand phony voter registrations per county and pretty soon you are talking about real voting fraud."We've seen voter fraud before, but never on this level," Coulson said Thursday. "I grew up in Chicago and this looks like the politics of Mayor Daley in the '50s and '60s."
Lake election and law enforcement officials said their investigation is centered on absentee registration attempts by the nonpartisan NAACP's National Voter Fund and an anti-Bush, nonprofit group called Americans Coming Together, or ACT Ohio.
Williams said the suspect voter registration applications include some with nonexistent addresses while others from the same street all have the street identically misspelled.
Williams said that usually people applying to vote fill out their own cards before signing them, drawing attention to the odd fact that the street name is not spelled correctly.
Still other voter registration cards bear strikingly similar handwriting, suggesting one person submitted a group of fraudulent voter registration cards.
"We are not certified handwriting experts, but we believe that these were common looking signatures," Williams said.
In one other instance, an elderly nursing home resident who usually signs with an "X" appeared to have a firm, cursive signature when she registered. Every fraudulent vote is serious of course, just being sardonic. |
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| 427 | Boldwin
ID: 94103017
Thu, May 30, 2013, 18:13
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There is a reason Dems go postal whenever it is proposed to clean it up.
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| 428 | Perm Dude
ID: 201027169
Thu, May 30, 2013, 18:20
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#425: Lets not encourage the crazies by calling them fraud at all. They are not, nor ever were, fraudulent registrations. They are inactive registrations.
Husted: "Common sense says that the odds of voter fraud increase the longer these ineligible voters are allowed to populate our rolls.” Maybe, maybe not. He offers no evidence either way.
What he doesn't say is that actual inactive voters are voting illegally. And that is the question to be asked.
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| 429 | Tree
ID: 564173012
Thu, May 30, 2013, 18:20
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yep. 425 addresses that.
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| 430 | sarge33rd
ID: 4609710
Tue, Jul 09, 2013, 16:08
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SC Investogation, yields ZERO cases of voter identity fraud
"We just recently learned that there are over 900 individuals who had died before the election (and had voted) and at least 600 of those individuals had died way outside the window that an absentee ballot could have been sent, so we know for a fact that there are deceased people whose identities are being used in elections in South Carolina."
-- South Carolina Attorney General Mark Wilson, appearing on Fox News
Claimed the Republican State Atty Gen.
The truth?
The South Carolina Law Enforcement Division has now been completed that investigation, although it took an open-records request by the Columbia Free Times to get it released to the public. The investigation found that the 953 alleged incidents did not occur in 2010, as had been claimed, but instead were the accumulated total of elections dating back to 2005. Law enforcement officials investigated a representative sample of more than 200 of those 953 alleged "zombie voters," and it found that in every single case, the allegation of dead people voting was in fact -- in actual fact -- a case of clerical errors, scanning errors, incorrect information in government databases, etc.
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| 431 | Perm Dude
ID: 24625213
Tue, Jul 09, 2013, 18:56
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Great find, sarge!
For a party which used to pride itself on adhering to facts and reality over emotional responses to issues, they have morphed into what they believe the Democrats to have been, at their worst.
Probably because they continue to believe that somehow those Democrats got away with something.
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| 432 | Perm Dude
ID: 41661813
Mon, Jul 22, 2013, 14:05
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What if we demanded Ted Cruz' papers?
A solid piece on what would happen if we held Ted Cruz to the same standard he wants to hold everyone else to.
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| 433 | sarge33rd
ID: 3871221
Fri, Aug 09, 2013, 19:34
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REAL voter fraud
In the midst of his 2012 GOP primary campaign for a Massachusetts state House seat, Jack Villamaino changed the party affiliation of nearly 300 people in his town of East Longmeadow. Days later, the same number of absentee ballot requests were dropped off at the town clerk’s office, a list that was almost a “name-for-name match” for those whose registration information Villamaino had altered.
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| 434 | Tree
ID: 59740109
Sat, Aug 10, 2013, 10:41
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it's funny to see the usual suspects not respond to 432. unsurprisingly, i might add.
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| 435 | sarge33rd
ID: 3871221
Fri, Aug 16, 2013, 15:40
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CO Sec of State claims of voter fraud...baseless
Last month, Secretary of State Scott Gessler (R) had announced that 155 possibly illegal voters went to the polls in the November 2012 elections -- out of more than 3,050,578 voters in Colorado.
Now a review by Boulder County's top prosecutor has found that all 17 instances of allegedly fraudulent voters in his county were, in fact, verifiable U.S. citizens, The Boulder Daily Camera reported Wednesday.
"Local governments and county clerks do a really good job regulating the integrity of elections, and I'll stand by that record any day of the week," said Stan Garnett (D), Boulder County's district attorney. "We don't need state officials sending us on wild goose chases for political reasons."
Groundless, baseless, LIES and FEAR MONGERING. The two favored tools of todays GOP.
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| 436 | sarge33rd
ID: 3871221
Sat, Sep 07, 2013, 18:39
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Florida’s Fraudulent Voting Witch Hunt Produces a “Shocking” Number of Cases — All Republican
Upon concluding their investigation, they reported a staggering—two cases of voter registration fraud.
Yes, after several months of investigation following the 2012 elections, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement found a whopping two cases of actual voter registration fraud.
Voter REGISTRATION fraud. IDs, would not have prevented this. The GOP claims, have been proven false in PA, SC and now FL. So when, will they quit making them?
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| 437 | sarge33rd
ID: 3871221
Sun, Sep 08, 2013, 02:40
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bit of a "technical correction" to 436.
The GOP talking points have been investigated and proven baseless in 3 states, FL, SC and CO; and admitted to be without basis in PA, not investigated and proven false in PA.
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| 438 | Boldwin
ID: 55827817
Sun, Sep 08, 2013, 18:29
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If you ever are unemployed the Chicago machine could use a PR guy.
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| 439 | sarge33rd
ID: 3871221
Sun, Sep 08, 2013, 19:17
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Facts are facts B, as much as you dislike them. Simply put it is this: Your constant harping about Voter Fraud? Its baseless, groundless, without merit, and takes resources away form real problems.
That is the simple truth of it, all of your blind, partisan horseshit aside.
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| 440 | Perm Dude
ID: 417342923
Thu, Sep 26, 2013, 16:38
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For some balance.
I know nothing of the Working Family Party--sounds like a regional party of some sort, with lots of overlap with Democrats.
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| 441 | sarge33rd
ID: 3871221
Mon, Nov 04, 2013, 00:13
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TX restrictive Voter ID Law, snags former Speaker of the House
Former U.S. Speaker of the House Jim Wright (D-Texas) tried to get a voter identification card at a Texas Department of Public Safety office on Saturday.
But the only photo identification cards Wright has -- an expired Texas driver's license and a Texas Christian University faculty identification card -- do not satisfy the requirements of the state's restrictive vote identification law, passed in 2011. Wright is 90 years old.
“I earnestly hope these unduly stringent requirements on voters won’t dramatically reduce the number of people who vote,” Wright told the Star-Telegram on Saturday. “I think they will reduce the number to some extent.”
According to the Star-Telegram, Wright will return to the office Monday to get a Texas personal identification card with a certified copy of his birth certificate.
If Wright successfully obtains a personal ID card on Monday, he will be able to vote on Tuesday. But his assistant, Norma Ritchson, is worried other elderly citizens will face obstacles when trying to vote.
“I’ve been thinking about the people who are in retirement homes,” Ritchson said. “I’ve read that this is the lowest early voter turnout in a long time and I wonder if this [ID requirement] is the cause. We’ve tried so hard to make voting easy, and now the Texas Legislature has made it harder by making you have a photo ID.”
It was never about preventing fraud. It has and is, ONLY about, reducing voter turnout. Particularly, amongst those of limited resources.
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| 442 | Seattle Zen
ID: 4811181319
Mon, Nov 04, 2013, 00:44
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Post 441 is spot on. There are many law abiding citizens who don't have photo IDs simply because they don't need them or getting a certified birth certificate is cost prohibitive. They must be allowed to vote.
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| 443 | Perm Dude
ID: 431013412
Mon, Nov 04, 2013, 13:13
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Election day tomorrow. The Republicans are hoping we won't vote. Let's surprise them.
If 2010 taught us anything, it is that local and state elections matter. Let's take back some seats.
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| 444 | C1-NRB
ID: 371011423
Tue, Nov 05, 2013, 00:12
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“I’ve been thinking about the people who are in retirement homes,” Ritchson said. “I’ve read that this is the lowest early voter turnout in a long time and I wonder if this [ID requirement] is the cause. We’ve tried so hard to make voting easy, and now the Texas Legislature has made it harder by making you have a photo ID.”
My polling place is a retirement center.
The Republicans are hoping we won't vote.
The mother-in-law of a former president lives there and it is less than a mile from a school named after his father, so I don't think their "plan" is working out too well in this case.
And now you all know where I live- within a few blocks, anyway.
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| 445 | Boldwin
ID: 43540233
Mon, Jun 23, 2014, 10:40
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Remember most laws explicitly state you can't even check for illegal status...King’s activist group was named for Dustin Inman, a 16-year-old American boy killed by an illegal alien in a traffic crash on Father’s Day weekend in 2000.
Dustin was on his way to a weekend of fishing in the North Georgia mountains with his parents.
Despite being in the U.S. illegally, the driver of the car that killed Dustin, Gonzalo Harrell-Gonzalez, was able to obtain a valid North Carolina driver’s license using his Mexican birth certificate and a Mexican Matricula Consular ID card. - WND I seriously doubt even voter ID will 'true the vote' because one party doesn't want it to and reflects that in the language of the law. We have laws right now demanding audits of how clean states' voter rolls are and one party resists those efforts, and successfully most of the time. We are living in a post-legal unlawful era. Thunderdome here we come.
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| 446 | Tree
ID: 438482411
Mon, Jun 23, 2014, 20:21
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Despite being in the U.S. illegally, Gonzalo Harrell-Gonzalez, was able to obtain a valid North Carolina driver’s license using his Mexican birth certificate and a Mexican Matricula Consular ID card.
ummm. good. i'd rather a driver be licensed, than unlicensed. unless you're advocating a free for all, allowing people to drive without licensing.
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| 447 | sarge33rd
ID: 505502410
Tue, Jun 24, 2014, 11:52
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REAL vote fraud
Wisconsin Republican donor busted for voting 5 times in Gov. Scott Walker’s recall election
A Wisconsin insurance executive and Republican donor was charged with voting illegally more than a dozen times in four elections.
The Journal-Sentinel reported that 50-year-old Robert Monroe was caught as a result of an investigation into a possible illegal voting by his son in Waukesha County. But after his son denied requesting an absentee ballot from his father’s address in Shorewood, suspicion turned to Monroe.
A complaint claimed that Monroe voted five times in Gov. Scott Walker’s (R) recalled election. He also was accused of voting illegally in a 2011 Wisconsin Supreme Court election, a 2012 primary, and the 2012 presidential election.
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| 448 | Boldwin
ID: 85582420
Tue, Jun 24, 2014, 22:15
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Yeah, yeah, it's only illegal if a republican does it.
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| 449 | sarge33rd
ID: 390471112
Thu, Jun 26, 2014, 01:17
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no, its apparently happening primarily BY Republicans AND it still isnt voter IMPERSONATION fraud.
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| 450 | Perm Dude
ID: 431013412
Thu, Jun 26, 2014, 10:01
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Ironic that the voter fraud witch hunts are seemingly only catching Republicans.
Next up: A massive GOP effort to find out exactly who is watching porn...
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| 451 | Gator
ID: 13521231
Thu, Jun 26, 2014, 13:59
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The left knows it is more guilty of voter fraud and that is why they are against picture ID but Mississippi tried it and it worked.
photo ID
Finding one republican committing voter fraud does not compare to ACORN's massive voter fraud.
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| 452 | Perm Dude
ID: 586411123
Sat, Jul 26, 2014, 21:26
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Maybe the reason the GOP is so certain voter fraud exists is because they engage in it so much.
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| 453 | Perm Dude
ID: 586411123
Sat, Jul 26, 2014, 21:27
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As previously noted here, and in many other places, what happened with ACORN wasn't vote fraud. It was voter registration fraud and it was perpetrated on ACORN, not by them.
There is no actual record of "Mickey Mouse" or any other fake names from those registrations actually voting. None.
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| 454 | sarge33rd
ID: 390471112
Sat, Aug 16, 2014, 00:25
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REAL voter fraud---->Jack Villamaino, Former GOP Candidate, Gets 4 Months In Jail For Felony Voter Fraud
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| 455 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Sun, Aug 17, 2014, 14:29
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Ensuring that only of age US Citizens get exactly one vote is vitally important. Why SOME Democrats feel there is aproblem with checking IDs defies logic.
If you want to vote, then get an ID and bring it to the polls and quit this incessant whining BS.
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| 456 | sarge33rd
ID: 390471112
Mon, Aug 18, 2014, 10:12
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because voter ID, solves a problem that does not exist. It ensures ONLY, that some registered voters, wont get to vote. Why SO MANY cant see the truth of it, boggles the mind.
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| 457 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Mon, Aug 18, 2014, 14:23
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Quit whining...over
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| 458 | sarge33rd
ID: 390471112
Mon, Aug 18, 2014, 22:17
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? yep, you are confused...
lets look at it logically, shall we?
To "steal" the 2016 Presidential election, which states do you need to "turn"? Be specific.
Now, which precincts within those states will you need to turn AND how many fraudulent voters will you need in each precinct? Again, be VERY specific.
How many co-conspirators in the area of voter registration will you need, in order to get your indicated nr of fraudulent voters, on the voter rolls, in those precincts? AGAIN, you must be specific.
Now, how many buses, and drivers, will you need, in order to get those fraudulent voters into the right places, at the right times, in order to cast their fraudulent votes? Yep, you got it...be specific.
Finally, how many "recruiters" will you need, to gather the requisite nr of fraudulent voters in the first place? Stay specific.
Now, add allllll those nrs and tell me how many people you need to be part of your conspiracy.
Really?
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| 459 | Khahan
ID: 11759198
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 09:59
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It ensures ONLY, that some registered voters, wont get to vote. Why SO MANY cant see the truth of it, boggles the mind.
Then implement it differently. Allow school IDs, drivers license, walkers license, make the voter registration itself involve a picture that goes on a voter id card that you get when you register.
Tie it in to social security numbers have a registration like that.
There are any number of ways to have a quick easy, non-intrusive, no-hassle, non-burdensome verification.
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| 460 | sarge33rd
ID: 390471112
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 11:00
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but that isnt what is being done, is it Khahan? In fact, NC specifically DISALLOWED certain current form of ID, disallowed some early registration and early voting, disallowed same day registration and voting.
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| 462 | Khahan
ID: 16341313
Tue, Aug 19, 2014, 13:57
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NC specifically DISALLOWED certain current form of ID
I am against that. I see no reason to make the process restrictive. The goal should be getting 1 vote per legal person. It should be an open process, easy to do and low hassle.
disallowed some early registration and early voting, disallowed same day registration and voting.
This I'm on the fence about. There are good reasons not to allow same day registration (excepting anybody who has their 18th birthday within say a month of the vote date). But there should be acceptable ways to counter those concerns.
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| 463 | sarge33rd
ID: 390471112
Wed, Aug 20, 2014, 12:28
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we HAVE 1 vote per legal person. That is the whole point khahan. We ALREADY have th goal, without the restrictive laws.
Ddo we have voter REGISTRATION issues that need be addressed? Probably, but unless they result in illegal votes, and they by and large do not, then they are moot points. Tangents at best.
IDs prevent/detect ONLY 1 kind of voter fraud. They keep Billy from voting as Bobby. Thats it. And in the area of voter impersonation, ....it just isnt happening.
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| 464 | Khahan
ID: 527392110
Thu, Aug 21, 2014, 11:42
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Its just a check & balance sarge. Im surprised every time there is such fierce resistance from anybody against a simple check & balance system to ensure what we have in theory is whats happening in reality.
I'll say again I am against a lot of the overly restrictive rules and laws like the ones NC tried to pass. I just don't understand the opposition to a simple, easy, unobtrusive check & balance system.
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| 465 | sarge33rd
ID: 35521312
Thu, Aug 21, 2014, 20:09
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because it isnt so simple, nor is it unobtrusive. It has a cost attached to it, and Poll Taxes are unconstitutional.
TX closed DPS offices, making it necessary in some cases to travel 100 miles, to get a DL or State ID Card. Guess where they did that? Predominantly rural, low income, minority populated counties.
NC, has already been discussed.
You may say you are against parts of these laws, but they ARE parts and being put in place, deliberately. And have NOTHING to do with combating voter fraud, since impersonation fraud isnt happening in the first place.
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| 466 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Fri, Aug 22, 2014, 10:53
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Impersonation fraud isnt happening BECAUSE people believe that their identity will be challenged. Ask any kid who wanted to buy beer or cigarettes or snuck into a disco underage.
If you don't like the inconvenience of living in a rural community, move to the city and quit whining.
You can say that there is no fraud and therefore we need no ID check, but I can just as easily say there is no discrimination and therefore we need no law change. Spend you time helping those who dont have the credential to vote to get one. And quit whining.
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| 467 | sarge33rd
ID: 227242217
Fri, Aug 22, 2014, 18:24
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you want an applicable comparative?
Lets pass a law, making it a felony to walk your dog on Mars on a Tue evening.
It isnt happening. It isnt happening, because there is no point to it. Your attempting to deprive another of their civil right to vote, is a perfectly valid reason for me to stand and shout at the top of my lungs, and it has nothing at all to do with whining.
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| 468 | Perm Dude
ID: 586411123
Fri, Aug 22, 2014, 19:04
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As I've said before, when it comes to clear constitutional rights, the state should be very cautious in doing things which mitigate the ability of people to engage in those rights, particularly in trying to solve problems which are, at best, very minor.
This applies to guns as well as voting, in my book.
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| 469 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Sun, Aug 24, 2014, 18:59
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<468> The NRA is too entrenched in our culture to allow us to control guns.
In my estimation urban America sees the need for gun control while rural America wants to be able to hunt and doesn't want to be told what weapon is appropriate. At one extreme are the nutcases who want all guns banned, and at the other are the nutcases that want to conceal weapons and carry assault rifles.
I have a 22 in my home to chase off the coyotes who want to eat my pets and the deer who want to eat my garden. It's my only weapon. My weapon is stored in a different place, than my ammo, and the chamber is always cleared before storage. My home security policy is to not keep anything in the house worth stealing, and I wont need a weapon to defend my assets (a 22 is little more than a toy, though, like a knife it is capable of killing, knives are still legal aren't they?). My security policy outside the home is dont go into neighborhoods where you need to carry a weapon to defend yourself.
I just hope all my neighbors see it the same way, and there aren't any nut cases nearby.
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| 470 | sarge33rd
ID: 390471112
Sat, Oct 04, 2014, 01:08
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Voter fraud? ...No...Voter REGISTRATION fraud and maybe voting fraud
and btw, the fraudster? GOP candidate for Arkansas AG. Really folks, you cant make this shit up.
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| 471 | Boldwin
ID: 49572022
Sat, Jul 18, 2015, 06:19
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More than half of new driver´s licenses
go to immigrants in U.S. illegally.
The California DMV reported that it has received about 687,000 driver's license applications from immigrants who are in the country illegally and they are damn happy about this successful implementation of AB 60, “The DMV was determined to develop a process that would not only meet the stringent requirements of this new law, but also the unique needs of our newly expanded customer base.”
See L.A.Times article.
Or you can listen to Sarge who would have you believe lawyers somewhere have proven vote fraud is barely above the teens and anyone who wants voter ID has no valid reason and is merely a racist desperate to keep all those brown people from voting.
All 70% of your friends and neighbors.
Yes Virginia, overloading a weak electoral system with fraud was a very explicit area of focus for marxist radicals out to sabotage the country.
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| 472 | Boldwin
ID: 49572022
Sat, Jul 18, 2015, 11:43
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While you were focused on the 'gay marriage' and the 'we can't tell the difference between state run and not state run' decisions, you most likely missed this one...
The 10th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that Kansas cannot require proof-of-citizenship documents from prospective voters. The Supreme Court refused to hear the appeal and let the decision stand.
This is what you get when one party insists on corrupted SCOTUS nominees.
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| 473 | Tree
ID: 161036918
Sun, Jul 19, 2015, 23:10
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it's totally unnecessary.
by law, you cannot vote if you're not a citizen. it's ALREADY a law.
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| 474 | Boldwin
ID: 49572022
Mon, Jul 20, 2015, 00:24
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Which by law Kansas [or any state by extention] is not allowed to enforce.
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| 475 | Boldwin
ID: 2711516
Wed, Oct 07, 2015, 03:40
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Even by Obama's phony new way of counting the numbers the truth is abundantly evident that Obama intended to flood the country with illegals all along and prevent deportations by hobbling ICE.
Libs who bought and spread the lie Obama had increased deportations are exposed as gullible tools or worse.
This is how we know pleas for amnesty are just a ratchet to increase the flow and promises of future border security in trade for amnesty are just a scam.
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| 476 | biliruben
ID: 229341622
Wed, Oct 07, 2015, 08:35
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Uh huh. Even the likely cooked NR numbers are still higher than almost all of the Bush Era. And it's also pretty hard to deport someone when they stop bothering to come over.
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| 477 | bibA
ID: 275441414
Mon, Oct 12, 2015, 14:42
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nope
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