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0 Subject: Gay Marriage in California

Posted by: Perm Dude
- Dude [030792616] Wed, Sep 07, 2005, 01:11

California Assembly approves same-sex bill.

In a typical flip-flop, a Republican decides that it is the courts rather than the legislature that should decide this issue: Schwarzenegger believes the issue should be decided by the courts, not by his signature on legislation.

So they are "activist judges" when they are "pro-gay" but it's proper when they decide on a "pro-family" way?
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1585Perm Dude
      ID: 431013412
      Thu, Jun 26, 2014, 14:14
Meant to note that the Utah ruling was not a state court, but a federal appeals court--the 10th District Court. So its ruling applies to the other states in that district as well: Oklahoma, Colorado, Kansas, New Mexico and Wyoming.

However, the ruling has been stayed, pending approval.
1586Perm Dude
      ID: 294531914
      Tue, Jul 01, 2014, 20:43
KY overturned, ruling stayed pending appeal.

Meanwhile, a friend from college is one of the six couples suing in Colorado to overturn that ban.

Earlier today, I presided over a ceremony for two retired guys (one of whom is 73) who never thought they could ever get married. Each of them had a parent there, as well. It was very moving.

The same-sex ceremonies I've performed are among the most emotionally bracing and moving things I've ever had the honor to do.
1587Boldwin
      ID: 4262113
      Tue, Jul 01, 2014, 21:49
I see a gay marriage parlor in your future. Ditch the trademarket biz and embrace the briefest of futures.

Maybe a pillar of salt motif.
1588sarge33rd
      ID: 390471112
      Wed, Jul 02, 2014, 01:54
keep hiding from reality B. By this point in time, you have pretty much mastered it.
1589Boldwin
      ID: 4262113
      Wed, Jul 02, 2014, 06:08
You will wish you had mastered it come Armageddon.
1590Perm Dude
      ID: 431013412
      Wed, Jul 02, 2014, 09:55
sarge: People on the far right on this issue aren't hiding. They sincerely have the view that their Christianity requires them to be dicks.

The fact that this is at odds with the actual teachings of Christ doesn't matter. And it is only a coincidence that it exactly matches (with no extra cloth) their politics.

They will face their judgement. And no amount of spin will help them, then.
1593Perm Dude
      ID: 294531914
      Wed, Jul 02, 2014, 20:30
They want the whole pie. The fact that someone else is making their own pie doesn't matter--someone else getting pie means soon no one will have pie.

Yeah, its bizarre. And pathological. And unchristian. But entirely predictable based upon years of hearing nothing but echo chamber circle jerk fear-mongering.

Somehow two guys in their 70's getting married in PA means that a crazy white guy in Illinois is going to a concentration camp. Because, you know, freedom.
1598Boldwin
      ID: 5624318
      Fri, Jul 04, 2014, 16:58
The more I think about it, the more you gotta do it, PD.

You could get SO MUCH free national publicity with yer touching LGTBXYZ testimonials in support.

You are already in the Poconos for crying out loud.

Sniff around. I imagine there is a simply FABulous design team just swooning to design the place pro bono.

You can grease the paperwork skids as mayor.

Come up with a snappy nickname.

A trademarked catchphrase. "Oh yes, my my my, I just Loooove 'Fred's Place'™ . I have aaaall my rituals performed by Fred."™
1599Boldwin
      ID: 5624318
      Fri, Jul 04, 2014, 17:00
Don't forget the 'pillar of salt' motif.
1600Boldwin
      ID: 5624318
      Fri, Jul 04, 2014, 17:01
Hey, could I get royalties for that idea?
1601Perm Dude
      ID: 431013412
      Fri, Jul 04, 2014, 19:44
When in doubt, put your faith in love. It comes from God, after all.
1602Boldwin
      ID: 5624318
      Fri, Jul 04, 2014, 20:09
You could have sold that before the flood too. Demonstrably not every love is godly or approved by God.
1603Perm Dude
      ID: 586411123
      Thu, Aug 21, 2014, 23:51
Now Florida (though most of the ruling is stayed, pending appeal).
1604Perm Dude
      ID: 431013412
      Thu, Sep 04, 2014, 18:52
From the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals decision:

“The argument that the states press hardest in defense of their prohibition of same-sex marriage is that the only reason government encourages marriage is to induce heterosexuals to marry so that there will be fewer ‘accidental births,’ which when they occur outside of marriage often lead to abandonment of the child to the mother (unaided by the father) or to foster care.,” Posner writes. “Overlooked by this argument is that many of those abandoned children are adopted by homosexual couples, and those children would be better off both emotionally and economically if their adoptive parents were married.”
1605Pancho Villa
      ID: 2131916
      Mon, Oct 06, 2014, 20:33
That pretty much settles it
1606Perm Dude
      ID: 431013412
      Thu, Nov 06, 2014, 17:18
Looks like SCOTUS is going to do what it doesn't want to do, and decide the constitutionality of same-sex marriage.
1607sarge33rd
      ID: 390471112
      Fri, Nov 07, 2014, 10:18
The way the current SCOTUS has been ruling, this stands to set equality back, 100 years.
1608Perm Dude
      ID: 431013412
      Wed, Nov 19, 2014, 18:38
Now, Montana.

Tellingly, the ruling was not stayed, so couples can apply for licenses and get married immediately.

In other news, the Court of Appeals rejected South Carolina's attempt to delay same-sex marriage in their state.

As I opined above, SCOTUS can't hide on this issue another. My guess is that, by June, they will have to have ruled on this.
1609Boldwin
      ID: 49572022
      Thu, Jul 23, 2015, 15:37


1610Boldwin
      ID: 49572022
      Sat, Jul 25, 2015, 16:52
The reality of it.
1611biliruben
      ID: 229341622
      Sun, Jul 26, 2015, 13:07
The reality of what? There are monstrous parents in the world?

You don't strike my as drooling-in-your-soup stupid, so I can assume you aren't trying to make the point that gay parents are more likely to torture and rape their children than straight parents.

I assume.

But then what ARE you trying to say?
1612Boldwin
      ID: 49572022
      Mon, Jul 27, 2015, 02:30
They think it's liberating. And yes, it's muuuuch more common.
1613biliruben
      ID: 28420307
      Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 07:55
No "They" don't.

You better come with a boatload of evidence before making broad generalizations that gay parents commonly engage in child rape.

I'll have to revise my opinion of the spittle content of your gruel.
1614bibA
      ID: 275441414
      Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 14:43
Accusing him of generalizing and hyperbole?

C'mon....
1615Boldwin
      ID: 49572022
      Wed, Jul 29, 2015, 00:51
That's what gay Milo Yiannopoulis says.
1616Tree
      ID: 161036918
      Wed, Jul 29, 2015, 11:10
You better come with a boatload of evidence before making broad generalizations that gay parents commonly engage in child rape.

I'll have to revise my opinion of the spittle content of your gruel.


i've been saying this for years. his level of hatred knows no bounds. people thought it was just "boldwin being boldwin".

i'm not sure which is more disgusting - mocking the parents of murdered children, or proclaiming that gay parents rape and torture their children "muuuuch more" than straight parents.
1617Boldwin
      ID: 2711516
      Tue, Aug 25, 2015, 13:43
So now you can't be a lawyer in Canada if you are a christian because your christian college is no longer accredited by the Law Society.

"Oh no" they said. "How does their getting married harm anyone else" they said.

F'n liars. They knew what this was all about and where it was heading. I told the ones who lied about it here.
1618CanadianHack
      ID: 2710231914
      Tue, Aug 25, 2015, 21:11
To respond to 1617, Trinity Western University has never had an accredited law school. Boldwin's claim that they are "no longer accredited" is false. It is his shoddy homework as usual.

There are many reasons that Trinity Western has no accredited law school. Their programs are in general subpar in any field and tend not to be taken very seriously by accreditting agencies in other fields. Of course it makes sensationalist Boldwin news to claim it is only due to their world views and scream Christian persecution. It is a lie. Of course that is exactly what we expect from Boldwin.
1619Boldwin
      ID: 2711516
      Tue, Aug 25, 2015, 22:41
The society accredited the proposed law school in April 2014, but reversed that decision in October after a vote by its members.

The B.C. government later revoked its support, barring the school from enrolling students.


So you can't go to a christian college and get a law degree by this principle.

One more profession barred to christians, and they aren't gonna stop until you have to renounce your religion to eat.

"How does it hurt anyone else if we have gay marriage." they said.

F'n totalitarians like Sarge understood the game all along. And they just lied thru their teeth about it.
1620CanadianHack
      ID: 2710231914
      Tue, Aug 25, 2015, 23:06
You also cannot go to Simon Fraser University, Vancouver Island University, Capilano University, University of the Fraser Valley, Thompson Rivers University or UBC-Okanagan and get a law degree in BC. Every one of those universities is better than Trinity Western. What do you think of that?

Not every university has a law school. A barely a university that is Christian gets Boldwin's full support even though he knows nothing about the "school" in question. However, he can make it into a lie about a religion being prosecuted.
1621CanadianHack
      ID: 2710231914
      Tue, Aug 25, 2015, 23:13
Here is an article that has a more balanced and not sensationalistic (i.e. Boldwin won`t like it) explanation about Trinity Western trying to get a law school accreditation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/douglas-judson/twu-law-school_b_7747408.html
1622Tree
      ID: 161036918
      Wed, Aug 26, 2015, 08:34
One more profession barred to christians, and they aren't gonna stop until you have to renounce your religion to eat.

hyperbole much.

Christians, at least in this country, are barred from no profession. no matter how much that you cry that you're being persecuted, it doesn't change the fact that you're not, at least not for your Christianity.

your ignorance, maybe.
1623Khahan
      ID: 477322612
      Wed, Aug 26, 2015, 13:32
are barred from no profession.

I don't know Tree, I don't know any Christian Rabis or Imams. Must be a conspiracy!!!
1624biliruben
      ID: 137281811
      Wed, Aug 26, 2015, 14:26
As an Athiest, I'm barred from all positions in all clergy. Jesusfck. I'm going to write my congressman.

That reminds me, I'm pretty much barred from running for public office as well!

Cry me a river.

So you can be a gay-bashing dushbag and expect the world to conform to your idiocy. Wah wah wah.
1625Boldwin
      ID: 2711516
      Wed, Aug 26, 2015, 16:47
It is interesting that liberals aren't going to go from denying that SSM will end up making religion illegal to admitting it's gone too far.

They are going to go directly to cheering the mobs and the concentration camps.
1626biliruben
      ID: 39256112
      Wed, Aug 26, 2015, 17:32
Yes. Religion is illegal.

Can you make yourself sound any more ridiculous?
1627Boldwin
      ID: 2711516
      Wed, Aug 26, 2015, 18:12
The Al-Anfal campaign is now marching thru the professions.

Try baking a cake while religious.
1628biliruben
      ID: 39256112
      Wed, Aug 26, 2015, 18:17
You are a clown. The percentage on non-religious is in the single digits. You may have some point buried deep in your inferiority complex, but your naked stupidity is very successful in masking it.
1629Boldwin
      ID: 2711516
      Wed, Aug 26, 2015, 18:19
You will be surprised what percentage will bake a cake and dance in a gay pride parade when they are are starving.
1630Boldwin
      ID: 2711516
      Wed, Aug 26, 2015, 18:28
Any guesses as to how soon gays are going to demand muslim bakers dance for gays?
1631biliruben
      ID: 39256112
      Wed, Aug 26, 2015, 18:45
Dunno. Why don't you ask them "gays"?

Or better yet, ask all those Muslim bakers you are so concerned about being turned somehow into marionettes whether you are making any sort of coherent sense, or just spewing hate.
1632Boldwin
      ID: 2711516
      Wed, Aug 26, 2015, 19:16
It is amazing how muslims throwing gays off precipices doesn't trigger liberals, but the thot I might not celebrate their 'marriage' has their panties all in a bunch.
1633biliruben
      ID: 137281811
      Thu, Aug 27, 2015, 11:17
I'm pretty sure you aren't invited.

Wait, wait! Don't cry. You can come.
1634Boldwin
      ID: 2711516
      Thu, Aug 27, 2015, 19:23
Tell it to Memory Pizza. Of course they don't really want a pizza or a cake. They want us to starve to death or lose our religion.

When the shoe is on the other foot tho...
1635Boldwin
      ID: 2711516
      Thu, Aug 27, 2015, 20:48
Can't be a doctor if you refuse to help them commit suicide.
1636Tree
      ID: 161036918
      Sun, Aug 30, 2015, 12:58
will end up making religion illegal

yes. that's extremely likely in a nation where 75 percent of the population identifies as Christian.

ironically, the only person i've actually ever seen on this boards in favor of, in fact, downright demanding of, religious persecution, is you, Baldwin.

It is amazing how muslims throwing gays off precipices doesn't trigger liberals, but the thot I might not celebrate their 'marriage' has their panties all in a bunch.

and that's where you're wrong. no one gives on $hit if you celebrate their marriage. NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOU BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ASKING YOU TO CELEBRATE, they're just asking you not to be such a hate-filled dickhole.

1637Boldwin
      ID: 2711516
      Sun, Aug 30, 2015, 13:06
They don't care about me at all. They care about their own dominance of the culture. They simply demand I recognize and approve of their lifestyle or give up being employed.

A far cry from the traditional live and let live.
1638Tree
      ID: 161036918
      Sun, Aug 30, 2015, 17:27
there is a difference between recognition, and approval. you can't use them interchangeably.

further more, i must have missed something where your job was in jeopardy because of marriage equality.

are you a gay escort on the side, or something similar?
1639Boldwin
      ID: 2711516
      Sun, Aug 30, 2015, 17:39
You missed the Al-Anfal campaign working it's way thru the professions, getting people fired for donations to prop 8, random posts on social media, refusing wedding pizzas, etc.
1640Tree
      ID: 161036918
      Sun, Aug 30, 2015, 21:54
no, i didn't. it happened nearly 20 years ago.

i'm sorry you lost your job because of something that happened in Iraq.

i feel for you and your kurdish brothers and sisters who lost their jobs in Illinois.
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