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Subject: Iraq Continued... Posted by: Perm Dude - [5634267] Fri, Apr 06, 2007, 15:16 Previous thread was getting too long. Question of the day: Have the writers of the Editorial Page of the Wall Street Journal lost their fIcking mind? | |||||||
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| 619 | Boldwin ID: 35615181 Wed, Oct 26, 2011, 18:39 | Abortion is just one more assault on the individual. | ||||||
| 620 | Pancho Villa ID: 597172916 Wed, Oct 26, 2011, 18:46 | But forcing a woman to go through an unwanted pregnancy isn't an assault on the individual? | ||||||
| 621 | Boldwin ID: 35615181 Wed, Oct 26, 2011, 18:55 | It's a rescue of a baby. That is the individual in danger. | ||||||
| 622 | sarge33rd ID: 579422612 Wed, Oct 26, 2011, 18:57 |
It is the government, interferring with a deeply personal, difficult and troubling decision. | ||||||
| 623 | Tree ID: 41512710 Wed, Oct 26, 2011, 19:14 |
i love watching Baldwin be the judge of who is a Republican, and who is not...and who is a Conservative, and who is not. this is brilliant, unintentional comedy. he accuses those who lean left on this board of running off the conservative posters, where here he is, in this thread, doing just that. kudos Baldwin, kudos. | ||||||
| 624 | sarge33rd ID: 579422612 Wed, Oct 26, 2011, 19:26 |
*IF*, B were the ultimate Conservative and all who would call themselves Republican practiced just as he does, they would never win an election, since he never casts a vote. The absolute ultimate irony. The very right he uses to blast those who are left of him, is provided BY, those who are left of him. | ||||||
| 625 | Boldwin ID: 35615181 Thu, Oct 27, 2011, 19:25 |
Mystery solved: $6.6 billion in lost Iraq cash now accounted for, inspector says. | ||||||
| 626 | bibA ID: 48627713 Wed, Dec 14, 2011, 21:56 |
Junkyard Gives Up Secret Accounts of Massacre in Iraq link Haditha became a defining moment of the war, helping cement an enduring Iraqi distrust of the United States and a resentment that not one Marine has been convicted. That is one of the main reasons that all American combat troops are leaving by the weekend. | ||||||
| 627 | sarge33rd ID: 3411261412 Wed, Dec 14, 2011, 23:23 |
link link from above repaired | ||||||
| 629 | walk ID: 348442710 Thu, Dec 15, 2011, 10:55 |
NYT: War in Iraq Declared Officially Over Clearly there will be a lot of unofficial stuff going on in a rather unstable Iraq, but this is an about time milestone, IMO. A war that I wish was never started, and I give the President support for seeing through on the commitment made by the prior administration to end the war by this time (although I wish the prior admin did not start the war.) | ||||||
| 630 | soxzeitgeist ID: 121111611 Fri, Dec 16, 2011, 12:11 |
![](http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/377024_2888707100643_1349172963_3090804_1934636058_n.jpg") The colors being walked out. THIS ISN'T OVER You want a real 1%? It's the men and women in uniform who we love precisely because we're not them. My HBCT was the last US Army unit to be deployed for Operation New Dawn. I still have friends, brothers, who were there. IRQ is still "this f###ing place" and it's still a mess. And we're not out. Don't forget them. It's the least we can do. We haven't done a damn thing else - no tax hikes, no bond drives, no scrap metal collections - no change of pace for 99% of Americans. Shameful. | ||||||
| 631 | Razor ID: 551031157 Fri, Dec 16, 2011, 16:51 | We're not out? How many troops will be in Iraq? | ||||||
| 632 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Fri, Dec 16, 2011, 22:56 | About 4000 are remaining right now. Mostly as "trainers" but really just to save Maliki's butt, if needed. | ||||||
| 633 | Boldwin ID: 58112185 Sun, Dec 18, 2011, 06:23 | How many private company mercenaries will remain behind? | ||||||
| 634 | bibA ID: 48627713 Sun, Dec 18, 2011, 08:53 |
How many private company mercenaries will remain behind? That's a good question And who will have legal jurisdiction over them? Iraqi's, the US government, or will they just be left to police themselves? | ||||||
| 635 | Perm Dude ID: 3210201915 Sun, Dec 18, 2011, 12:37 |
How many private company mercenaries will remain behind? As many as the Iraqi government can hire, is my opinion. And at least they will be on their dime rather than ours. | ||||||
| 636 | Mith ID: 23217270 Sun, Dec 18, 2011, 13:51 | My understanding is that they will be subject to the Iraqi legal system, as they should be. | ||||||
| 637 | Boldwin ID: 385491121 Wed, Jun 11, 2014, 22:56 |
Well Bush kicked al qeada out of Iraq and Obama armed them, got 160,000 Syrians killed for no good reason and now al qeada with their back to the wall in Syria is taking over Iraq. Smart diplomacy...if you are an operative of the Muslim Brotherhood. 
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| 639 | Boldwin ID: 385491121 Wed, Jun 11, 2014, 23:21 |
ISIS Strategy...where the oil is:
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| 640 | Boldwin ID: 385491121 Wed, Jun 11, 2014, 23:23 | Huma Abedin...even happier than Dave Brat. | ||||||
| 641 | Tree ID: 438482411 Thu, Jun 12, 2014, 08:25 |
Well Bush kicked al qeada out of Iraq this, of course, is another lie. there wasn't al-queda in Iraq until Bush kicked Saddam out. this is a wonderfully biased re-invention of history, but it's not truthful at all. | ||||||
| 642 | Pancho Villa ID: 2131916 Thu, Jun 12, 2014, 15:55 |
The map in #637 is confusing, as it doesn't name the cities it claims are controlled by ISIS to the east and northeast of Tikrit. Since there's no source linked to the map, or accompanying story, I'm left to my own devices to identify these cities, especially since one appears to be the coordinates of Kirkuk. Iraqi Kurds seized control of the northern oil city of Kirkuk on Thursday as Sunni insurgents threatened to advance on Baghdad — two developments that further indicate that the central government has now lost large swaths of a country spiraling deeper into chaos and internecine violence. Kurds have long dreamed of taking Kirkuk, a city with huge oil reserves just outside their autonomous region, which they regard as their historical capital. The swift move by their highly organized security forces demonstrates how this week's sudden advance by the armed group the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) has redrawn Iraq's map. Meanwhile, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani pledged to combat the “violence and terrorism” brought by ISIL. The army of the Shia-led government in Baghdad has essentially fled in the face of the onslaught, abandoning buildings and weapons to ISIL fighters. Of course, the reality is that the Iraqi army is seen as a Shia entity by the areas being overrun, so the indigenous Sunni are, perhaps somewhat reluctantly, welcoming the Sunni militants as rescuing them from Shia rule. Those of us who supported the idea of three separate independent states(a Sunni Iraq, Shia Iraq and Kurdistan) are not surprised to see this development taking place, as there has never been a real sense of Iraqi nationalism from the borders drawn by the West after WW1. Now that Kirkuk is in the hands of the Kurdish peshmerga, don't expect they will ever give it up to Arab masters again. | ||||||
| 643 | Boldwin ID: 4542138 Fri, Jun 13, 2014, 11:36 |
When you've lost the liberal..."We Never Should Have Left Iraq | ||||||
| 644 | Boldwin ID: 4542138 Fri, Jun 13, 2014, 11:41 | Wait till Iran steps in as they will be forced to. | ||||||
| 645 | Boldwin ID: 4542138 Fri, Jun 13, 2014, 11:52 |
Jihadist Who Engineered The Fall of Mosul Was American Detainee Who Was Released in 2009. No wonder Obama was so eager to release 5 taliban generals. | ||||||
| 646 | Perm Dude ID: 294531914 Fri, Jun 13, 2014, 11:58 |
When you've lost the liberal... Once again a shallow look at where the piece appeared instead of the writer of the piece makes our resident "conservative" look rather shallow himself. | ||||||
| 648 | Pancho Villa ID: 2131916 Tue, Jun 17, 2014, 13:53 |
A surprisingly honest analysis from the editor of right wing news outlet, Newsmax. Don't Blame Obama For Iraq | ||||||
| 650 | Perm Dude ID: 294531914 Wed, Jun 18, 2014, 20:24 | Was just about to post that, PV. Cleared-headed conservative writing. We need more of it. | ||||||
| 651 | Boldwin ID: 9541820 Wed, Jun 18, 2014, 21:04 | When even Turkey realizes it's time the Kurds got their own state, It's finally time. | ||||||
| 652 | Boldwin ID: 9541820 Wed, Jun 18, 2014, 21:06 | Alright, what couldn't yer poor lil head handle this time? I save anything that will likely trigger poor lil PD, but I had no idea that one was a trigger. | ||||||
| 653 | Boldwin ID: 9541820 Wed, Jun 18, 2014, 21:32 |
Ahh, I remember. ISIS is gleefully posting their atrocities. Their plan is to outrage the Shiia into in-kind retributions, which will allow ISIS to win over the none too islamist majority of the Sunnis in Iraq. Seeing the sort of people that Obama tried to put in charge of the Syrian people and the ones he unleashed on Iraq now, is instructive for liberals. I've been explaining the muslim brotherhood agenda and what sort of monsters these people are for almost a decade before the war in Afghanistan. I explained that Obama's moves would lead to their takeover and atrocities in Egypt and sure enuff they were literally crucifying people on the muslim brotherhood presidents lawn before long. I explained they would be worse than Moammar Kadaffi when Obama's moves put them in charge of Libya and we shortly watched them torture ambassador Stevens to death on live drone TV. I explained they would be worse than Assad [which is really saying something] and sure enuff they were shortly crucifying people almost at random. "How many kneelings at morning prayers?" "Bzzt...hand me the nails." Now the guns your president gave them are murdering anyone who can't prove they are a devout Sunni across half of Iraq. How much more inhuman mayhem do you libs plan on enabling? I know. "Never let a crisis go to waste." Next you'll forever take the pressure off Iran to divest nuclear weapons, because you invited them into Iraq. And establishment republicans like McCain and Lindsey Graham will be right there helping you do it. It's all so predictable. I spelled it all out for you. In advance. You will have set up the caliphate and gotten us all into world war three before long. I wasn't giving you a step-by-step action plan. Sheesh. You just couldn't help yourself, could you? | ||||||
| 654 | Boldwin ID: 9541820 Wed, Jun 18, 2014, 21:46 |
I have to admit one wrinkle I didn't foresee. We now have a relatively new military device. I would call it the terror blitzkrieg where 800 guys can rout a national army of mixed backgrounds. Shiia in the national army couldn't trust the Sunni soldiers on his own side, let alone the Sunni population at large. No wonder they melted away. I think the West had better examine how well their defenses will work when muslims in their own ranks are shooting us in the back. Diversity bites sometimes. Of course when libs finally get it, they'll blame all religious people, not their own policies that sabotaged their defenses. | ||||||
| 655 | Pancho Villa ID: 2131916 Wed, Jun 18, 2014, 23:09 |
#653 features 4 "I explained(s)". Disregarding the inflated sense of self importance, these are not explanations. They are opinions born of tunnel vision, with the final analysis the fully expected, How much more inhuman mayhem do you libs plan on enabling? It's equal parts amusing and annoying. | ||||||
| 656 | Boldwin ID: 9541820 Wed, Jun 18, 2014, 23:33 |
They are all predictions that came true...simply based on what the people involved actually were saying. I took them at their word. You keep making politically correct excuses for them and wishing away the threat. At what point does it dawn on you that they are a real threat to your life? At what point does it dawn on you that electing a president who puts a muslim brotherhood luminary in the role of chief-of-staff for the Secretary of State is suicidal? | ||||||
| 657 | Pancho Villa ID: 2131916 Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 00:02 |
You see, if I were adopt your ego-based style of posting I'd post something like: I explained that a continuation of Iraq as a nation was unworkable unless the three entities, Sunni, Shia and Kurd were able to conduct their affairs independently and autonomously. Then, I could say I predicted the current situation just like you. And I could follow that up by blaming you for being a pawn of the military industrial complex as well as the Koch brothers and the fossil fuel moguls you worship. BTW, not a bad day for Chevron, Halliburton and BP. | ||||||
| 658 | Boldwin ID: 9541820 Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 01:34 | Yeah, what were your positions when Obama was enabling the MB takeover of Egypt/Libya/Syria? Where do you think they will stop and who is going to stop them? | ||||||
| 659 | Pancho Villa ID: 2131916 Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 09:18 |
My position in Egypt was that the MB would only be able to retain power with support from the military. They weren't able to accomplish that and are once again marginalized in that country. Further, it was my position that the MB failed to address the fragile economic situation which has been dependent on the West for decades, as well as embracing the many different factions, both religious and political, necessary for functional governance. The MB was concerned with establishing and enforcing their rigid social and religious agenda, a task unattainable in a country that has embraced the positive aspects of Western economic structure relative to most of their neighbors. Since the MB has not taken over either Syria or Libya, claiming that Obama enabled such an occurrence is merely a delusion based on an obsessively unhealthy hatred of the president and an opportunity to blame libs for something, which is always the root of every analysis you present. | ||||||
| 660 | Boldwin ID: 15519198 Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 09:38 |
When I was warning that overthrowing Mubarrak was a disaster that would lead to a MB takeover what were you doing? You didn't even take that possibility seriously let alone understand the threat. The MB is the mother of al qaeda, the leader of Sunni salafists everywhere and when you help them in Egypt and Libya and Syria and Iraq, you are their useful *****. You seem to think the MB had no role in Libya. Read. You seem to think that when the MB were kicked out of power in Egypt, the MB threat ended and you were somehow exonerated. Obviously the MB caliphate project is going swimmingly all over the world with Obama's help. Next expect the MB to overthrow Jordan, or come very close to succeeding. Easily within the realm of possibility is a decisive war between Shiia and Sunni for leadership of the caliphate. Shiia are outnumbered ten to one. That the MB out of power in Egypt is just a temporary hickup for them. They are aiming for total domination of islam and then the world and their project is going swimmingly. With help from blind people who can't see what is plainly in front of their face. | ||||||
| 661 | Boldwin ID: 15519198 Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 09:53 |
In fact the most accurate description of ISIS/ISIL is a two pronged Sunni war against the Shiia. That's MB islamist terrorism, fratricidal islamist terrorism. What are they doing with our weapons? Why weren't you outraged? | ||||||
| 662 | Pancho Villa ID: 2131916 Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 09:54 |
Please desist with the You seem to think attacks. If you want to respond to a quote of mine, fine. Otherwise, you're just making things up in an attempt to bolster an argument you're having with yourself. | ||||||
| 663 | Boldwin ID: 15519198 Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 09:57 |
Show me where you ever recognized the MB and decried assisting them. Because I know I was alone in that fight. | ||||||
| 664 | Boldwin ID: 15519198 Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 09:59 | The closest anyone here ever came to supporting me was Nerve pointing out after the fact that I had nailed the MB takeover in advance. | ||||||
| 665 | PV at Ranches GC ID: 307192411 Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 10:56 | Was that before or after Nerve castigated you for being clueless about Muslims? | ||||||
| 666 | Boldwin ID: 15519198 Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 11:14 | Anyone else who could see it coming was welcome to step forward. | ||||||
| 667 | Boldwin ID: 385251912 Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 13:25 |
Mohamed Elibiary, a senior member of DHS’ Homeland Security Advisory Council:“The question for both the administration and Congress now is what are they going to do about the patently surreal position that Elibiary’s cheerleading for the ‘inevitable caliphate’ is being used fairly and in context by [ISIL] to recruit for jihad?” | ||||||
| 668 | Boldwin ID: 385251912 Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 13:26 | Insanity | ||||||
| 669 | Boldwin ID: 45539258 Wed, Jun 25, 2014, 09:39 | |||||||
| 670 | Boldwin ID: 52563019 Mon, Jun 30, 2014, 21:09 |
I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned!Daniel Carroll, Blackwater’s project manager in Iraq, told Richter [lead State Department investigator] after an argument "that he could kill me at that very moment and no one could or would do anything about it as we were in Iraq."All the evidence and all parties involved seem to agree he wasn't kidding either. That was an accurate statement and a credible threat. | ||||||
| 671 | Pancho Villa ID: 2131916 Fri, Aug 08, 2014, 09:50 |
Obama authorises airstrikes This may be a month and a half too late, but it's a necessary move IMO. We've been inundated with the horrors of the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, while Yezidis and Iraqi Christians, who have not engaged in any type of aggressive military actions, are being systematically driven from their homes, murdered and starved to death by ISIS. Additionally, we should provide the Kurds and the peshmerga the arms and support necessary to combat an ISIS which has armed themselves with massive firepower abandoned by Iraqi national forces. ISIS makes Hamas look like moderates. If we can justify arming Israel to the teeth to combat the threat of aggression by radical Islamic groups( Hamas, Hezbollah, Muslim Brotherhood among others), we can surely justify providing the Kurds with the necessary firepower to counter ISIS aggression, especially since the vast majority of Northern Iraqi refugees have sought safe haven in the Kurdish provinces. | ||||||
| 672 | Pancho Villa ID: 2131916 Mon, Aug 11, 2014, 11:26 |
Hilary Runs From Obama Foreign Policy Very curious, considering Obama's decision to intervene on behalf of the Kurds, Yazidis and Iraqi Christians is one his few solid foreign policy decisions, and will likely increase his popularity numbers. | ||||||
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