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0 Subject: Teabag Day!

Posted by: Mith
- [2894309] Wed, Apr 15, 2009, 16:42

As has been suggested at one time or another by one of this forum's senior members, perhaps one picture really is worth a thousand protests?


They say it isn't a protest until someone evokes Hitler, right?


Now here is a fellow who is well aware of the impression he makes.


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161Baldwin
      ID: 553441513
      Mon, Apr 20, 2009, 09:22
I would have to know more about exactly his stance on various interogation techniques.

In my experience listening to him, which is not extensive, he believes torture claims from the left are hysterical mischaracterizations. Now how he would react to specific tactics is no doubt in my mind more nuanced.

It could well be however that when it comes right down to it, I would disagree with him substantially on this point. I do not believe he is as bloody-minded black-and-white as Cheney on this issue.
162Baldwin
      ID: 553441513
      Mon, Apr 20, 2009, 09:23
Torture is not by definition a conservative position. Just ask your buddy Fidel.
163Razor
      ID: 371502414
      Mon, Apr 20, 2009, 09:34
I don't have any friends named Fidel.

American conservatism most definitely has a position on torture, and it seems to be that if we aren't doing it, we stand to lose the war on terror. Your lax position on torture, articulated on a message board, may very well risk our national security.
164Mith
      ID: 2894309
      Mon, Apr 20, 2009, 09:42
It could well be however that when it comes right down to it, I would disagree with him substantially on this point.

Well you tell me if you could come up with a more disingenuous defense of the practice of torture than this:
RUSH: Man, this is torture? Slapping somebody in the face is torture? Sleep deprivation is torture? Throwing somebody in a little cramped environment with a caterpillar. Look, we found out this Zubaydah guy cuts people's heads off, who murders people, who tries to engage in mass killing, and by the way, according to Mukasey, the former attorney general, and Mike Hayden, the former CIA director, all this stuff worked, including the waterboard on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. They say it is a myth -- and there's a lot of myths -- they say in their brilliant op-ed that it's a myth that people lie to escape torture. For people to say that, to have an objection, it shows their ignorance. What interrogation is about is gathering intel. It's not just exclusively about trying to ascertain guilt. It's about ascertaining intel and there are many techniques that you use. One of the techniques to test a suspect is to ask him questions to which you already know the answers. Find out if he's being honest with you or not from the get-go. The idea that torture doesn't work, that's been put out from John McCain on down. McCain for the longest time said torture didn't work, and then he admitted in his acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention last summer that he was broken by the North Vietnamese, so what are we to think here?
So, unless you defend his blatant taking of McCain's words out of context ("being broken" according to McCain, actually meant attempting suicide and confessing to criminal activities and piracy) where you part with the conservative base is that you stand more firmly in opposition to torture?
165Boxman
      ID: 29351011
      Mon, Apr 20, 2009, 09:43
we stand to lose the war on terror

What would losing in the war on terror be defined as?
166Tree
      ID: 41371322
      Mon, Apr 20, 2009, 09:43
blah blah blah blah insert unwarranted insult from Baldwn blah blah blah....

did you go back and listen to the audio clip MITH pointed you toward?

be careful about disagreeing with Rush. you might find yourself apologizing next week.
167Mith
      ID: 2894309
      Mon, Apr 20, 2009, 10:14
It seems that while Old Baldy returned to respond to the Sarah Palin thread at 09:56, to respond to a post I wrote at 09:46 while I wait response to #164 above, which I posted at 09:42. Not to rush him (really) but I do want a response to the question in that post, so I'll repeat and bold the question in attempt to ensure it doesn't get lost in the shuffle:

Baldwin - is it fair to say that where you part with the conservative base is that you stand more firmly in opposition to torture?
168Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 37838313
      Sat, Apr 25, 2009, 13:22
Looks like Baldwin will have to compromise too much to answer that one.

Anyway, here's Reagan policy advisor and Bush41 treasury official Bruce Bartlett
TAX TEA PARTY FANTASY
Friday, April 24, 2009 10:56 AM

I have spent most of my life trying to cut taxes. Back in 1977, while a staffer for Congressman Jack Kemp, I helped draft the Kemp-Roth tax bill, which was endorsed by Ronald Reagan and enacted into law in 1981. According to the Treasury Department, this is the largest tax cut in American history.

So one might assume that I was out protesting taxes along with many of my friends on April 15. But going to rallies is not my thing; I thought my time and skills were better spent analyzing tax burdens to see what evidence justifies the sudden appearance of mass protests against taxes.

The first thing I did was look at the U.S. tax burden compared to other similar countries. Vast amounts of such data are compiled by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development in Paris and easily available on its web site.

The first thing I did was look at total revenues — federal, state and local — as a share of the gross domestic product. This percentage is the best summary measure we have for the burden of government on the economy.

The latest complete data are for 2006. They show that governments at all levels consumed 28 percent of GDP in the U.S. Of the 30 OECD countries, we ranked 26, just slightly above Japan and Korea. Only Turkey and Mexico had significantly lower tax burdens.

The most heavily taxed countries are Denmark and Sweden, where government takes 49.1 percent of GDP. On average, the OECD countries of Europe had a tax ratio of 38 percent — 10 percentage points higher than the U.S.

Since the level of taxation here is already considered tyrannical by tea party organizers, any tax level approaching that in Europe would surely constitute slavery in their eyes. Of course, anyone who has ever traveled to Europe knows that the people there are no less free than we are.

For the most part, Europeans just prefer to pay higher taxes for universal health care, while Americans have the cost deducted from their paychecks by their employers. If Americans took all the money they pay for health insurance and added it to their tax bills, getting free health care in return, our tax/GDP ratio would be about the same as that in Europe.

Keep in mind that Americans have always been willing to pay higher taxes when they got something they need in return. Every family with children looks carefully at the quality of local schools when buying a house and almost all are willing to pay higher property taxes to get good schools. States and localities with the lowest taxes are seldom the best places to live because of a concomitant lack of services.

I published my analysis at Forbes.com and sent it around to some of my conservative friends. The universal reaction was, “So what? Why should Americans care if foreigners are even more overtaxed than we are?”

I thought this was a fair point, so I did another analysis looking only at taxation in the U.S. Even if our taxes are low compared to those in other countries, tax protests might be justified by a rising tax level.

The first thing I did was look for more recent data on taxes as a share of GDP on the website of the Congressional Budget Office. It says that total federal revenues will consume 15.5 percent of GDP this year, down from 17.7 percent last year, 18.8 percent in 2007, and 20.9 percent in 2000.

This is a very sharp reduction in the tax/GDP ratio. As a consequence, the federal government will take less out of the economy in the form of revenue than any year since 1950
.

But what about the average American, I wondered? Is it possible that the tax code has changed in some way that makes families worse off even though the aggregate level of taxation has fallen?

To answer this question, I went to the website of the Tax Policy Center. It has a table that looks at federal income taxes on the median family’s income. The median is the exact middle of the income distribution—half of all families make more, half make less.

In 2007, the latest year available, the median family paid 5.91 percent in federal income taxes. In every year from 1958 — the first year available — through 2002, it paid more. In 1981, before the Reagan tax cut took effect, the federal income tax rate on the median family was 11.79 percent—twice what it was in 2007.

Many commentators complained that these data are meaningless because they are skewed by the large and growing number of Americans that pay no federal income taxes. According to the Joint Committee on Taxation, 43 percent of federal tax returns filed in 2007 had no income tax liability.

My critics, however, misunderstood how the Tax Policy Center data are calculated. They are not affected in any way by the number of people not paying taxes. The data simply look at the median family’s income and use current tax law to estimate its tax liability.

In response, my tea party-attending friends said I had left out payroll taxes. But there has been no change in the payroll tax rate for many years and most people will get back cash benefits equal to everything they pay in Social Security taxes plus a lot more. Anyway, I didn’t see any signs at the various tax protests complaining about payroll taxes.

But what about state and local taxes, my critics replied? This is always a problem area, analytically, because they vary widely from one place to another. However, according to the National Association of State Budget Officers, the aggregate amount of state tax increases this year amounts to just $1.5 billion; all of that accounted for by one state, California. Two-thirds of states either cut taxes or had no increase.

Moreover, in surveying the location of tax protests compiled by a group called FreedomWorks, which organized the demonstrations, the bulk of tea parties appear to have taken place in Texas and Florida, which have no state income tax, or states where there has been no tax change. Few protests occurred in high-tax states; most were in states where they are low.

Finally, in desperation, my critics said that it is not actually the level of taxation today that they are protesting. It’s the implicit tax resulting from large federal deficits that really concerns them.

I might have been willing to buy this argument except for the fact that these same people justified a huge tax cut in 2001 on the grounds that large budget surpluses, which had arisen toward the end of Bill Clinton’s administration, were proof of over-taxation since the government was taking in more revenue than it needed to pay its bills.

Furthermore, the conservative line for the last eight years was that budget deficits don’t matter, as Vice President Dick Cheney famously remarked when Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill raised concerns about them at a cabinet meeting in 2002. (O’Neill was fired shortly thereafter for not being on-message.) It’s at least a bit disingenuous for conservatives to suddenly change their view on deficits simply because their team is no longer in power.


In my opinion, these tea parties had little, if anything, to do with current or projected tax levels. They were just partisan pep rallies designed to make out-of-power conservatives and Republicans feel better. Secondarily, they were about building audiences for Fox News and right-wing talk radio hosts.

But I will grant that some of those attending tea parties are now genuinely concerned about our fiscal future even though they weren’t during the George W. Bush Administration. (Where, I wonder, were the protestors when Bush and a Republican Congress massively expanded Medicare in 2003?) But it’s not enough just to complain; specific proposals need to be developed that go beyond cutting foreign aid and earmarks — just about the only spending that conservatives ever talk about cutting.

In particular, anti-tax activists need to explain how we are going to cut Medicare by tens of trillions of dollars when its beneficiaries already represent the largest voting bloc in America and its ranks will grow sharply as the baby boom generation retires. Because of rising Medicare costs, we would be facing massive budget deficits in the near future even if Barack Obama had not been elected, Republicans still controlled Congress, and there had been no economic crisis.

Still, all movements must start somewhere. If the April 15 tea parties are really about more than just electing Republicans and increasing Fox News ratings, I may join them next year. In the meantime, protestors need to do a better job of figuring out what they are protesting and devise a real plan for dealing with our nation’s fiscal problem. Otherwise, their efforts will amount to nothing more than hot air.
169nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Sat, Apr 25, 2009, 17:47

The subsidies have nothing to do with that and everything to do with pandering to the lower class that cannot afford a car or a cab to work and the politicians who seek their votes.

Yeah and what about all the executives who work in NY and live in Connecticut and take the train to their 6 figure jobs every day? My father did it for years, sat on the same train as Howard Cosell who commuted...I guess he was being pandered to?

Does it hurt when you shove your foot that far down your throat? Or is your throat used to it?



170nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Sat, Apr 25, 2009, 18:17

Box Since when has the US been concerned about oil consumption?

Well the USA is a big country. Sure plenty of politicians have been in the pocket of big oil, likely most President of the last 25+ years Reagan through Obama).

There are still plenty of people at the local level concerned.

171Razor
      ID: 41323216
      Sat, Apr 25, 2009, 19:28
through Obama? Haven't seen much so far to suggest that he is interested in catering to the oil lobby, and lots to suggest he is against them.
172nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Sun, Apr 26, 2009, 02:47


through Obama? Haven't seen much so far to suggest that he is interested in catering to the oil lobby, and lots to suggest he is against them.

Are you sure about that? To soon to tell but, so far he is doing nothing to hurt big oil.

Big oil isn't concerned abut renewable sources of energy (solar and wind) which are the two things Obama talks about. They will do nothing to slow down big oil as even optimistic estimates admit the potential for it to take on any real energy capacity over the next decades is very limited by the technology.

The two quickest ways to decrease oil consumption, Obama is doing nothing about so far.

1) Starting a large scale nuclear power plant project.

2) Switching government fleet vehicles to natural gas and encourage the rest of the country to begin to switch to natural gas.

Either of these would have a major effect on the use of oil and he's not talking about either.

While you can't put nuclear power in the tank it could take over the electricity consumption (As it has in France for instance) and free up all natural gas to be used in cars.

We have an abundance of natural gas in our own country. It is cheaper, it burns cleaner and we don't need to buy it from our enemies.

No brainer really. So far haven't heard a peep. Big oil must be very happy.

Look it's early, I have an open mind and I will give him time (He has his hands full) but I've seen nothing yet to suggest he will change our oil guzzling ways.



173nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Sun, Apr 26, 2009, 14:29

The subsidies have nothing to do with that and everything to do with pandering to the lower class that cannot afford a car or a cab to work and the politicians who seek their votes.

The more I think about it. I rode the bus to work in Seattle, even though I had a Mazda Miata, and could easily afford to drive. Seated around me were many other middle class people.

ON the train in San Francisco I rode to work with mostly Middle class workers while I left my Acura RSX at home. It was just so easy to jump on the train.

How does that fit into this vision of lower class people being the primary consumers of public transport?

174Baldwin
      ID: 553441513
      Sun, Apr 26, 2009, 22:24
MITH #167

I have been away at a religious convention, not avoiding you.

I have no idea what the conservative base position on torture is. I would guess most a) believe the accusations are overblown, and b) really don't care if they drop a fly in some guy's box in order to prevent the next three Bali bombings, IF that guy is a top five leader of AQ who they are reasonably certain actually holds that information.

I think Natt Hentoff has a principled position that I have agreed with since he was the first one to raise the issue many years ago.

That said, it's awful tempting to go Dirty Hairy when there is a hostage likely to have his or her throat cut and you have one of the hostage taker's co-conspirators in custody.

I'm not sure the answer to that choice even breaks down along party lines. Qualms certainly didn't occur to Pelosi when she was briefed on the interogation methods in the first place. In fact she/they [dem congressional leaders getting briefed] asked if they couldn't get more aggressive in questioning.

175Seattle Zen
      ID: 513122623
      Mon, Apr 27, 2009, 01:07
Qualms certainly didn't occur to Pelosi when she was briefed on the interogation methods in the first place. In fact she/they [dem congressional leaders getting briefed] asked if they couldn't get more aggressive in questioning.

Repeating this myth over and over will not make it true.
176Tree
      ID: 41371322
      Mon, Apr 27, 2009, 07:29
SZ - since when has truth mattered to the poster in question?
177Baldwin
      ID: 553441513
      Mon, Apr 27, 2009, 09:16
Repeating Nancy Pelosi's spin job trying to get out of that jam will not succeed.
178Tree
      ID: 41371322
      Mon, Apr 27, 2009, 09:43
i wonder what you learned at that religious convention. certainly not honesty and integrity.
179Perm Dude
      ID: 28392711
      Mon, Apr 27, 2009, 12:11
I really don't see how the GOP apologists think that they can make this about Pelosi and still get out clean. What Pelosi knew or didn't know what entirely in the hands of the Bush Administration (who authorized torture repeatedly in their efforts to try to find the link between al-quada and Iraq).
180Mith
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Thu, Sep 17, 2009, 11:10
Despite being "taxed enough already", 9/12 event DC teabaggers decry the inadequacy of the Washington Metropolitan Transit Authority.

Rep. Kevin Brady (R-TX): "People couldn’t get on, missed start of march. I will demand answers from Metro"
181DWetzel at work
      ID: 49962710
      Thu, Sep 17, 2009, 11:38
Obviously they should have ordered additional trains from the magical train fairy who can materialize them as needed.

As pointed out in the link, if they hate government programs so much, why use public transportation at all? Should have just taken private cabs along the roads--er, well, not the roads, because those are public works projects too.

Should have hired a private cab to drive across people's lawns, I guess.
182Tree
      ID: 41371322
      Thu, Sep 17, 2009, 11:42
Everything is free!

err, wait. they're against that, right? i think? what exactly ARE they against...
183Mith
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Thu, Sep 17, 2009, 12:36
Washington Monthly
In some instances, Brady said constituents relied on private enterprise -- taxi cabs -- rather than the (ahem) public option. The conservative lawmaker described this as a bad thing. Local officials, Brady said, should have made "a great effort to simply provide a basic level of transit" to the public.
184boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Mon, Oct 26, 2009, 11:04
A bit off topic but I was thinking of making a Teabagger costume for Halloween and was looking for suggestions. I was thinking of badly made home made confederate flag t-shirt and sign that said something like "they took our taxes". I am looking for any input. Do you think the t-shirt would be offensive, I want make sure people realize it is a joke.
185Perm Dude
      ID: 154552311
      Mon, Oct 26, 2009, 12:54
How about these signs?
186biliruben
      ID: 461142511
      Mon, Oct 26, 2009, 13:15
I am scratching my head trying to figure out how anyone could differentiate between a real teabagger and a joke teabagger.

Your only hope is that you live someplace where there aren't any real teabaggers, because I am guessing they would be universally offended; unless they just assumed you were one of them...
187Razor
      ID: 57854118
      Mon, Oct 26, 2009, 13:24
boikin, that is an awesome idea! I am going to have think about doing that one myself.
188boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Mon, Oct 26, 2009, 13:26
oh man i love the "get a brain morans" sign.

yeah that was the part i was trying to figure out myself how to distinguish the real from the joke teabagger.
189biliruben
      ID: 461142511
      Mon, Oct 26, 2009, 13:47
I nice pair of rebel flag sun-glasses with a couple soggy teabags tied from them, so that they are resting on your chin.

That should remove any doubt.

Add a shirt or a sign with something as ironic as the above, and you should be all set!
190Balrog
      Dude
      ID: 02856618
      Mon, Oct 26, 2009, 13:53
RE: 86

I am scratching my head trying to figure out how anyone could differentiate between a real teabagger and a joke teabagger.

I think Poe's Law applies to teabaggers as well.
191tree on the treo
      ID: 287212811
      Mon, Oct 26, 2009, 14:18
how about velcroing two tennis balls to your chin and wearing a t-shirt that says "teabaggin' my way back to you, babe"...
192biliruben
      ID: 461142511
      Mon, Oct 26, 2009, 14:19
Heh. I'd missed Poe's Law. That's great, and exactly why I was struggling.
193Perm Dude
      ID: 154552311
      Mon, Oct 26, 2009, 14:43
That's great.

I love the examples, including the link to the archived Conservativepedia site in which it was posited that the spread of animals after Noah landed might have been helped by volcanoes:

It is possible that volcanoes in the Mount Ararat region were able to transport the smaller animals over much greater distances than the animals could get just by walking.
194Seattle Zen
      ID: 1410391215
      Fri, Feb 05, 2010, 18:36
Tens of thousands converge on Nashville for Tea Party Convention... check that, it's 600.

Can't really figure out why they are generating such fawning media coverage. Must be the conservative media bias.
195Frick
      ID: 59141517
      Fri, Feb 05, 2010, 18:51
Obviously, the NY Times is a well known bastion of radical conservatives.

Can't say I blame them for giving the group coverage, how many people can stop watching an absolute train wreck.
196Boldwin
      ID: 26451820
      Fri, Feb 05, 2010, 23:22
I think the second half of the following CSPAN video of Joseph Farah speaking at the Tea Party convention today is must watching whether you agree with it's direction and premise or not. It is probably the most important video you will watch in preparation for this election cycle. You won't really understand it if you don't.
197Pancho Villa
      ID: 29118157
      Sat, Feb 06, 2010, 09:49
It is probably the most important video you will watch in preparation for this election cycle. You won't really understand it if you don't.

Listening to Farah and his birther conspiracy is about as compelling as watching paint dry, especially since I have followed his obsession with the issue on WND for well over a year.

So, humor me. How is Farah's speech important to the election cycle? I watched it(well, most of it), and I don't understand.

I understand there is a contingency of tea party attendees who oppose Obama on every level no matter what he does, but to say the birth certificate issue is front and center as the most important 2010 election issue, neither do I understand nor agree with it.
Apparently, neither does Townhall attendee, Jillian Bandes.

Attendees are wildly enthusiastic, not just about speakers, but about ideas. Those ideas are focused almost exclusively on basic conservative principles like limited government and fiscal responsibility (not the Obama birther conspiracy). And attendees are barely aware of the criticism that has been launched at the Tea Party Convention by mainstream media outlets.

Bandes doesn't give any examples of mainstream media criticism launched at the convention, probably because most of the criticism of the convention has come from other Tea Party enthusiasts.

Michelle Bachman and Marsha Blackburn announced that they’re withdrawing from the so-called National Tea Party Convention. Question is, will Sarah Palin stick it out for the $100k?

The problem is, as I’ve stated many times on Twitter, the Tea Party wasn’t involved with this convention. There may have been a couple local Tea Party folks participating, but none of the real players in the movement were involved. If you’re asking how I have the inside skinny on all this, then you haven’t been paying attention to the movement over the last year.

This “convention” was about one guy, attorney Judson Phillips, and, in my opinion, his attempt at personal gain. What was he thinking? Just because Phillips was the guy who reviewed Michael Leahy’s ridiculous lawsuit filing (not ridiculous that it was filed, it needed to be. much of the substance of it, however, was ridiculous. I question Phillips’ capacity as an attorney if he greenlit that filing) against some Internet trolls last year, he’s suddenly part of the movement? Uh…I don’t think so.

The beltway had better figure out who is and who isn’t part of this movement. And to the Tea Party folks out there, it’s time to start distancing yourselves from what I call Tea Party Snake Oil Salesmen. You’ll know these types of shysters because they try to turn every Tea Party discussion into ways to make money.

link

Probably a better litmus of the importance of the Tea Party movement is in the Florida Republican primary for senate.

Former state House Speaker Marco Rubio has now jumped to a 12-point lead over Governor Charlie Crist in Florida’s Republican Primary race for the U.S. Senate.

Crist’s fortunes appear to be tied in part to national unhappiness over President Obama and his policies. Many conservatives began rebelling against Crist when he became one of the few Republican governors to embrace Obama’s $787-billion economic stimulus plan last year. The national Republican party establishment endorsed Crist early on, but a number of prominent national party conservatives have since announced their support for Rubio. Nationally, the GOP’s Florida Senate race is being watched as a test of the new “Tea Party” mood among many conservative and traditionally Republican voters.
198Seattle Zen
      Leader
      ID: 055343019
      Sat, Feb 06, 2010, 13:10
Nothing would make the Democratic Party happier than seeing Rubio knock off Crist in the primary. You could run Michael Dukakis, Walter Mondale, or Adalai Stevenson against Rubio and win.

I'm not in the "moderates are good for the Republican party" camp. I like seeing huge Democratic majorities.
199Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Sat, Feb 06, 2010, 14:25
I prefer effective leadership myself. Huge Democratic majorities lead to lazy leadership and vacuous partisanship masquerading as ideas.

The mid to late 70's were an awful time for the Democratic Party, precisely because it had a huge majority and thereby became disconnected with the people that elected them.

100% of the time I'd rather have a Crist than a Rubio as the junior Senator from Florida. But if you think you can run anyone against Rubio you'd be dead wrong. Even this far out, only 13% are undecided when faced with a Rubio vs Meek election. And Rubio is up 17 points in head to head matchups with Meek and Crist.

In Florida among conservatives, only 14% have an unfavorable view of Rubio. He's likely to kick Crist's ass in the primary, and roll on to a big win in November against Meek, whose biggest weakness appears to be that he is a Democrat.

Obama won by appealing to independent and moderate voters. Have we forgotten that lesson already?
200Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Sat, Feb 06, 2010, 15:01
Even the Tea Party members are having trouble with the Birther schtick
201Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Sat, Feb 06, 2010, 16:31
re: 200

If Spinal Tap was about journalism and not music, that would have come right out of it.

it almost seems too absurd of a conversation to be true.
202Seattle Zen
      Leader
      ID: 055343019
      Sat, Feb 06, 2010, 16:55
Meek, whose biggest weakness appears to be that he is a Democrat.

Actually, I'd say that last name is his biggest weakness ;)

It's way early, who knows, maybe Crist would pull a Lieberman and go run as an indy...

Huge Democratic majorities lead to lazy leadership and vacuous partisanship masquerading as ideas.

There have been far too few instances of this to draw proper conclusions. It seems more likely that vacuous, ineffective leaders lead to vacuous, partisan masquerades, having nothing to do with the size of their majority.
203Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 20:14
Tea Party pickup lines
204Boldwin
      ID: 111562213
      Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 22:34
The line between Tree and PD starts to blur.
205Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 23:03
now i understand what Baldwin sees in Sarah Palin. They both completely lack a sense of humour.
206Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Wed, Feb 24, 2010, 23:40
Don't forget the perceived sense of being persecuted.
207C1-NRB
      ID: 2911103011
      Thu, Feb 25, 2010, 09:47
TeaParty Link 'o the Day

Shame. Shame, I say.
208Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 37838313
      Sat, Feb 27, 2010, 15:18
The MSNBC morning show is hosted by Christina Brown.

Tamron Hall anchors MSNBC Live and co-anchors weekday afternoons 3-4 PM.

That's 2 of MSNBC's 20 regular anchors and show hosts who are minorities. You might make a case that this is too few or not representative and you might have a fair point but you'll have to show that anywhere near 10% of tea partiers are minorities if I'm going to take the linked video (and corresponding selective shame from C1-NRB) in the previous post seriously.

An awful lot of tea party photos have been posted in this thread in the past 10 months+, many of them (the ones I posted, anyway) pulled right from tea partier twitter messages, and I'd be shocked if you could get an honest tally that even approached 1%
209Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 37838313
      Sat, Feb 27, 2010, 15:24
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
210Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Sat, Feb 27, 2010, 15:34
re: The Coffee Party - i just joined that group on FB this morning. :oD

re: Tamron Hall - a good friend of mine going back more than 25 years, and a damned talented newswoman. She came from a small town in Texas, and made good.
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