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0 Subject: No Obama Nobel Prize Thread?

Posted by: Jag
- [19540280] Wed, Oct 28, 2009, 03:46

I was curious to see how the Left justified giving the prize to someone that has done absolutely nothing. It is now official, like the Academy Awards, the Nobel Peace Prize committee members are laughably looney Liberals. This should destroy what little credibility they had, much like when another far Left organization put Libya in charge of the Human Rights Council. Amazing!
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61nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Fri, Oct 30, 2009, 14:44


Hoodwinked, hypnotized, victims of advanced propaganda techniques, wishful thinkers throwing reason overboard...

That's funny this is exactly how I think of your devotion to the cult you belong to... 8-]

62nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Fri, Oct 30, 2009, 14:46

My first reaction to the award was why would they give a peace award to a man whose first major act in office was to send 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan. Still scratching my head about that one.

63DWetzel
      ID: 278201415
      Fri, Oct 30, 2009, 14:53
On that, I don't think you'll get a tremendous argument.
64Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Fri, Oct 30, 2009, 15:49
Baldwin - But that doesn't mean you'd ever be up front about them here.

well, yes it does. unlike you, who sees lying, deception, and general dishonesty as perfectly acceptable on these forums, i don't.

NC - My first reaction to the award was why would they give a peace award to a man whose first major act in office was to send 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan. Still scratching my head about that one.

i think there's a general agreement that Obama won the award not for what he's done, but who is isn't (Bush), and the high hopes the rest of the world has for him to repair the damage Bush and his cronies did.

65Seattle Zen
      Leader
      ID: 055343019
      Fri, Oct 30, 2009, 17:21
Saying I hate mankind is like telling a firefighter he hates people in burning buildings because he warns them they are going to die if they don't move.

Exactly as I said, you hate this world - you just equated it with a burning building.

I never said you hated mankind, try as you might to change the subject. You hate this world because it burns up people unless they "move". The "move" is to leave this world.

I should have qualified my "and the people on it" - I should have said, "and the people on it who are familiar with the Bible and think that JW doctrine is bunk." You love JW's because they are with you, you have hope for others because you think you can turn them, everyone else is evil.
66Boldwin
      ID: 26451820
      Fri, Oct 30, 2009, 21:52
Awake, O sleeper, and arise from the dead.
67Boldwin
      ID: 26451820
      Fri, Oct 30, 2009, 21:59
"Now this is the basis for judgment, that the light has come into the world but men have loved the darkness rather than the light, for their works were wicked. " - Jesus
68Seattle Zen
      Leader
      ID: 055343019
      Fri, Oct 30, 2009, 22:05
Yep, the world sucks, men love the darkness. Run for your lives!
69Boldwin
      ID: 27943011
      Sat, Oct 31, 2009, 03:18
Some people would be willing to agree to an endless string of holocausts and Rwandas and Idi Amins and gulags and Darfurs...

...until the end of the universe...

...as long as they were allowed to continue their anarchy from God.
70Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Sat, Oct 31, 2009, 09:19
you're not going door to door trying to brainwash people here Baldwin. you can cut the Times Square preacher lines...(although lately the nut case End Times folks have been hanging out in the tunnel between Times Square and the Port Authority)
71Boldwin
      ID: 27943011
      Sat, Oct 31, 2009, 10:38
Tell me what it would take to clean up your brain, Tree?
72Tree
      ID: 248472317
      Sat, Oct 31, 2009, 12:14
my brain doesn't need scrubbing. it's an often used, sometimes abused. paragon of independent thought.

it's not one that would fall pray to your brainwashing techniques, be it for your causes of bigotry, political character assassination, or faux-Christianity (and for the record, that's not a knock on your religion, as you are welcome to believe whatever you want - rather, it's a knock on the fact you present yourself as a Christian, yet can't control yourself even in the slightest when it comes to insults, mockery, and hubris.)
73Boldwin
      ID: 26451820
      Sat, Oct 31, 2009, 14:18
Jesus was as nice as he could be to everyone except the Pharisees. Those deliberately working to thwart the kingdom and those abusing and defiling the temple came in for every sort of mockery, derision, insult...but not hubris. I feel cut to the quick that you accuse me of hubris...j/k.
74DWetzel
      ID: 33337117
      Sat, Oct 31, 2009, 16:31
Rare family photos released!
75Bauxman
      ID: 40713275
      Sun, Nov 01, 2009, 14:01
my brain doesn't need scrubbing

That's because there is nothing to scrub.

it's not one that would fall pray to your brainwashing techniques

For obvious reasons. What's there to wash?
76Jag
      ID: 19540280
      Mon, Nov 02, 2009, 02:10
Well done, Baldwin and Bauxman. Baldwin, I will have to disagree with your ascertain that Liberals are either idiots or propagandized. The only thing all Liberals have in common is they are always wrong. You have different type of Liberals, while some are not very bright (we all know who those are), I believe most on this forum are of the Bill Maher, hippy, dope smoking group. Their Holy Grail is the passing of legalized drugs and they believe a Left-Wing government is the best to achieve this. Liberals also work backwards on all issues, they already know their politically correct stance and then search for justification for it. They will even create, so called experts, to help support their outlandish and false assumptions. Liberalism needs to be studied, not scorned and treated as if it was a virus or cancer. Dr. Bauxman and Dr. Baldwin, it is up to great thinkers like you and others to help cure this plaque, that is Liberalism.

I have mentioned one type of the Liberal, the Bill Maher druggie type and another is the 'elitist', George Clooney, Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandan are good examples of these, well spoken, but not overly bright Liberals, who try to act as if they are above the masses. I have many more, but for scientific purposes I would like to hear some of your Liberal classifications.
77Bauxman
      ID: 40713275
      Mon, Nov 02, 2009, 05:36
Liberal Intelligentsia - You couldn't find one of these people on here if you tried but they exist. Most likely because people like Tree and Sarge never got out of 3rd grade even at their "no fail" liberal public schools.

Every week Bill Maher drags out an academic from an enlightened university that drones on and on about some enlightened topic. It all sounds wonderful and utopian until you realize that it cannot translate into the real world and there is no money to pay for it.

These people usually have a PhD, are hawking a book that nobody will read except for the deal they have with their own university forcing them to buy it for the classes they teach, and are either a homosexual or minority with an axe to grind who thinks every straight white conservative man is evil. But we're supposed to take them seriously because they are academics.
78Bauxman
      ID: 40713275
      Mon, Nov 02, 2009, 05:39
Those are also the same people who blame global warming on cow farts. Then they tell me, in the main part of the evening news, that things are getting warmer, but then the weather lady tells me how there is record cold outside.
79Pancho Villa
      ID: 47103227
      Mon, Nov 02, 2009, 08:33
The only thing all Liberals have in common is they are always wrong.

another is the 'elitist'


It probably never occured to you that claiming an entire group of people are always wrong is as 'elitist' as it gets.
80Perm Dude
      ID: 154552311
      Mon, Nov 02, 2009, 08:36
Bill Maher isn't liberal. He's a Libertarian. This certainly clashes with the shadow of what passes for "conservative political theory" these days, but it doesn't make him "liberal."
81DWetzel
      ID: 33337117
      Mon, Nov 02, 2009, 15:20
Because, clearly, there's nothing worse than those damn homosexuals and minorities. Thank God we have the "conservatives" in this group who believe in freedom and personal responsibility* to remind us about true American values**!

So help me God, do you morons ever LISTEN to yourselves any more? Bunch of freaking hypocritical circle-jerking bastards. You don't believe in freedom--you think you should be able to regulate every damn human behavior imaginable because it offends you. You don't believe in any personal responsibility, at least so far as actually trusting other people to use theirs. And you for damn sure don't believe in thinking about policies any more, except to go with the Orwellian "elephant good, donkey bad" school of thought.

I am utterly certain that I could find some bit of legislation and tell you who wrote it and you'd have your opinion as to whether it was good or bad before you even knew what the title of it was. YOU are the bunch of braindead Lim-bots. And it's a damn shame, because we could use some intelligent opposition in this country, because there is a lot to legitimately not like--but you morons can't even produce that thanks to your psychobabble buzzwords.





*Only straight white conservative men need apply The rest of you? You're too stupid to have freedom, and we'll tell you how you're supposed to behave. Because clearly homosexuals and minorities with an axe to grind (As if there were any other kind!!!!) don't deserve that same right. Because Bauxman says so, and clearly therefore said minorities have nothing to fear!

**As were exercised pre-1860, when them damn minorities and womenfolk knew their place.
82nerveclinic
      Leader
      ID: 05047110
      Mon, Nov 02, 2009, 16:15

Bill Maher isn't liberal. He's a Libertarian. This certainly clashes with the shadow of what passes for "conservative political theory" these days, but it doesn't make him "liberal."

I listen to his show almost each week (podcast) I don't think the libertarians would have him as their own. He's closer to liberal on many issues.
83Great One
      ID: 17103028
      Mon, Nov 02, 2009, 16:30
Bauxman writes some of the most ignorant things I've ever read in my life. Somebody needs to put him out of his misery.
84Bauxman
      ID: 40713275
      Mon, Nov 02, 2009, 17:22
Bill Maher isn't liberal. He's a Libertarian.

To the far left loons on this board I'm surprised you don't put Maher and Falwell in the same bucket. Anyone to the right of Ayers is public enemy #1 to you people.

Thank God we have the "conservatives" in this group who believe in freedom and personal responsibility* to remind us about true American values**!

That's the smartest thing you've ever said. Then again I can't imagine you ever saying anything smart.

Awwwwwwwwww, does whittle davey whetzel need a hankie? Oooooh baby make a stinkie winkie. Bad whittle whiberal baby.

More liberal types...

The Self Loathing Liberal - Blames America for everything and thinks we should be more like Europe. Nevermind the perpetual 10% unemployment in Europe and moslem riots and their chicken shit pussy way of pre-surrendering.

85Bauxman
      ID: 40713275
      Mon, Nov 02, 2009, 17:32
Thank God....

Wait a minute. Whittle Whiberal Whetzel just used the word God. He's full of s#it. Liberals don't believe in God.
86DWetzel
      ID: 33337117
      Mon, Nov 02, 2009, 20:54
" Liberals don't believe in God."

Wait what?
87Jag
      ID: 19540280
      Mon, Nov 02, 2009, 21:07
I believe there are some Lefties with whom Liberalism is a religion. I am not a religious person, but would find it easier to believe that Jonah was swallowed by a great fish, than socialist economic policies can succeed.
88DWetzel at work
      ID: 49962710
      Tue, Nov 03, 2009, 10:25
Which is, of course, non-responsive to the absurd statement.

Though, to be fair, non-responsive is probably a smart way to go.
89boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Tue, Nov 03, 2009, 10:55
ironic that the would be agent of change would come from nobody governor of Alaska, with no aspirations for greatness till they were randomly plucked out to be VP....sounds like a movie script.
90Mith
      Dude
      ID: 01629107
      Tue, Nov 03, 2009, 11:17
She was not "randomly" plucked.

And I'm not sure where you get this "no aspirations for greatness" idea.
91boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Tue, Nov 03, 2009, 14:56
i guess she was not randomly plucked, but i doubt she had ideas that she would ever be talked about as a presidential candidate.
92Perm Dude
      ID: 154552311
      Tue, Nov 03, 2009, 14:58
I don't think there is much question that Palin is ambitious. (That isn't a bad thing, IMO). She is hardly the just-shucks local girl who never had dreams of leaving her small Alaskan town.
93Mith
      ID: 43914286
      Tue, Nov 03, 2009, 19:29
Palin’s sudden rise to prominence, however, owes more to members of the Washington élite than her rhetoric has suggested. Paulette Simpson, the head of the Alaska Federation of Republican Women, who has known Palin since 2002, said, “From the beginning, she’s been underestimated. She’s very smart. She’s ambitious.” John Bitney, a top policy adviser on Palin’s 2006 gubernatorial campaign, said, “Sarah’s very conscientious about crafting the story of Sarah. She’s all about the hockey mom and Mrs. Palin Goes to Washington—the anti-politician politician.”


Upon being elected governor, Palin began developing relationships with Washington insiders, who later championed the idea of putting her on the 2008 ticket. “There’s some political opportunism on her part,” Bitney said. For years, “she’s had D.C. in mind.” He added, “She’s not interested in being on the junior-varsity team.”

During her gubernatorial campaign, Bitney said, he began predicting to Palin that she would make the short list of Republican Vice-Presidential prospects. “She had the biography, I told her, to be a contender,” he recalled. At first, Palin only laughed. But within a few months of being sworn in she and others in her circle noticed that a blogger named Adam Brickley had started a movement to draft her as Vice-President. Palin also learned that a number of prominent conservative pundits would soon be passing through Juneau, on cruises sponsored by right-leaning political magazines. She invited these insiders to the governor’s mansion, and even led some of them on a helicopter tour.

Throughout the campaign, Palin has mocked what she calls “the mainstream media.” Yet her administration made a concerted effort to attract the attention of East Coast publications. In late 2007, the state hired a public-relations firm with strong East Coast connections, which began promoting Palin and a natural-gas pipeline that she was backing in Alaska. The contract was for thirty-seven thousand dollars. The publicist on the project, Marcia Brier, the head of MCB Communications, in Needham, Massachusetts, was asked to approach media outlets in Washington and New York, according to the Washington Post. “I believe Alaska has a very small press organization,” Brier told me. “They hired an outside consultant in order to get that East Coast press.” Brier crafted a campaign depicting Palin as bravely taking on powerful oil interests by choosing a Canadian firm, TransCanada, rather than an American conglomerate such as ExxonMobil, to build the pipeline. (“Big Oil Under Siege” was the title of a typical press release.) Brier pitched Palin to publications such as the Times, the Washington Post, and Fortune.

From the start of her political career, Palin has positioned herself as an insurgent intent on dislodging entrenched interests. In 1996, a campaign pamphlet for her first mayoral run—recently obtained by The New Republic—strikes the same note of populist resentment that Palin did at the Convention: “I’m tired of ‘business as usual’ in this town, and of the ‘Good Ol’ Boys’ network that runs the show here.” Yet Palin has routinely turned to members of Washington’s Old Guard for help. After she became the mayor of Wasilla, Palin oversaw the hiring of a law firm to represent the town’s interests in Washington, D.C. The Wasilla account was handled by Steven Silver, a Washington-area lobbyist who had been the chief of staff to Alaska’s long-serving Republican senator Ted Stevens, who was indicted in July on charges of accepting illegal gifts and is now standing trial. (Silver declined to discuss his ties to Palin.) As the Washington Post reported, Silver’s efforts in the capital helped Wasilla, a town of sixty-seven hundred residents, secure twenty-seven million dollars in federal earmarks. During this election season, however, Palin has presented herself as more abstemious, saying, “I’ve championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress.”

In February, 2007, Adam Brickley gave himself a mission: he began searching for a running mate for McCain who could halt the momentum of the Democrats. Brickley, a self-described “obsessive” political junkie who recently graduated from the University of Colorado at Colorado Springs, told me that he began by “randomly searching Wikipedia and election sites for Republican women.” Though he generally opposes affirmative action, gender drove his choice. “People were talking about Hillary at the time,” he recalled. Brickley said that he “puzzled over every Republican female politician I knew.” Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, of Texas, “waffled on social issues”; Senator Olympia Snowe, of Maine, was too moderate. He was running out of options, he recalled, when he said to himself, “What about that lady who just got elected in Alaska?” Online research revealed that she had a strong grassroots following; as Brickley put it, “I hate to use the words ‘cult of personality,’ but she reminded me of Obama.”

While Brickley and others were spreading the word about Palin on the Internet, Palin was wooing a number of well-connected Washington conservative thinkers. In a stroke of luck, Palin did not have to go to the capital to meet these members of “the permanent political establishment”; they came to Alaska. Shortly after taking office, Palin received two memos from Paulette Simpson, the Alaska Federation of Republican Women leader, noting that two prominent conservative magazines—The Weekly Standard, owned by Rupert Murdoch’s News Corporation, and National Review, founded by William F. Buckley, Jr.—were planning luxury cruises to Alaska in the summer of 2007, which would make stops in Juneau. Writers and editors from these publications had been enlisted to deliver lectures to politically minded vacationers. “The Governor was more than happy to meet these guys,” Joe Balash, a special staff assistant to Palin, recalled.
94Boldwin
      ID: 26451820
      Wed, Nov 04, 2009, 04:15
That's not scheming. That's synchronicity.
95Mith
      ID: 43914286
      Wed, Nov 04, 2009, 07:04
The only point is that she was most certainly not the unambitious local politician that Boikin believed.
96boikin
      ID: 532592112
      Wed, Nov 04, 2009, 09:53
I am not sure that counters what i said, it sounds more like she was created just like Nsync....

During her gubernatorial campaign, Bitney said, he began predicting to Palin that she would make the short list of Republican Vice-Presidential prospects. “She had the biography, I told her, to be a contender,” he recalled. At first, Palin only laughed. But within a few months of being sworn in she and others in her circle noticed that a blogger named Adam Brickley had started a movement to draft her as Vice-President.
97Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Thu, Dec 10, 2009, 14:21
Text of Obama's Nobel speech.

I realize that the conservative backbiters aren't going to bother reading it, but I think it lays out Obama's worldview on the role of war in our times.
98Bauxman
      ID: 2110171217
      Thu, Dec 10, 2009, 14:57
Does it say in there how an extra 30,000 troops sent to Afghanistan in an unwinnable war makes him worthy of a Nobel Peace Prize?

John Kerry once asked something like, "Who should be the last soldier to die for a lie?"

May I update that to our current times and ask, Who should be the last person to die for an idiotic war strategy?
99Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Thu, Dec 10, 2009, 15:09
The link is right there. Your post is a perfect example of what is wrong with the Right these days: Hyper-partisan criticism against something you can't be bothered to read.
100Bauxman
      ID: 2110171217
      Thu, Dec 10, 2009, 16:36
It isn't just the right that is critical of Obama's war strategy in Afghanistan. IIRC, walk on these boards is also against it.
101Bauxman
      ID: 2110171217
      Thu, Dec 10, 2009, 16:47
I encourage everyone to read the book entitled Kill Bin Laden by Dalton Fury, a former Delta Force operative. This man developed a rather out-of-the-box and ballsy strategy to kill Osama Bin Laden after 9/11. I believe his strategy would've worked given that it might've been the last thing anyone would have expected. I also believe it would've worked because this guy has real service under his belt. He's not a joystick jockey like Tommy Franks or Rumsfeld acting like this is a game of Super Mario Bros.

The higher ups foolishly did not listen to him, repeatedly, and of course failed in their alleged quest to kill Bin Laden. And now Obama is double-dumber than Bush because he is following the same failed war plan.

Do not forget, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result.
102DWetzel
      ID: 278201415
      Thu, Dec 10, 2009, 16:53
Cliff notes? (Seriously, at least semi-interested.)
103Bauxman
      ID: 2110171217
      Thu, Dec 10, 2009, 17:07
Dalton Fury wanted he and his Delta Force team dropped behind enemy lines into the high snowy mountains of Afghanistan. They would have oxygen tanks in their packs to survive the higher altitudes and sufficient supplies to live. The book provides background info on this man and I'm convinced his team could've survived in that environment.

They would then hunt Bin Laden like how we would a turkey or a boar. Between the snipers on their team and Predator drone support they had a variety of ways to take him out when they found him. He knew that Bin Laden's reaction post-9/11 would have been to flee to Tora Bora where getting him would've been all but impossible with a standard conventional army.

That plan was scrapped and the book states they do not know how high up the food chain it got killed.

He was still deployed to Afghanistan along with team. He details the cowardice and collusion amongst the Afghani's that were "helpful". Yet he and his team still got within an estimated 1500 feet by going straight ahead. He believes Bin Laden escaped when we offered surrender (Remember the pictures of the B52s flying figure 8s to signify the 8:00 deadline?)

He detailed just how punishing guided munitions, night vision and Predator drones in particular were at killing Al Qaeda in that geography. Intercepted communications continuinally showed that Al Qaeda was scared and dying by the bushel. He talks about how the best way to kill Al Qaeda (and this man would know) was with night vision and a communications line to the bombers above. Very little true progress was done by charging straight ahead.

Do you remember when we caught Bin Laden's voice on radio and they told us on the news of him getting scared? It was his team that intercepted the communication. However, his team was called back by central command because it was falsely believed they over-advanced.

You really should read the book. I read it in a weekend it was that good.
104Bauxman
      ID: 2110171217
      Thu, Dec 10, 2009, 17:08
I've always believed that we weren't in Afghanistan for Bin Laden and that book convinced me on that fact.
105Bauxman
      ID: 2110171217
      Thu, Dec 10, 2009, 17:14
He interviewed with 60 Minutes...

106Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Thu, Dec 10, 2009, 17:30
Jeez, a gung ho military guy thinks he can take out Bin Laden with just an elite team, including him (of course). What a surprise!
107Seattle Zen
      ID: 1410391215
      Thu, Dec 10, 2009, 17:50
I just read the speech and like nearly all speeches given by Pres. Obama, it is outstanding, but I don't agree with some of it. I am familiar with the notion of "just war" and I have to disagree with the President, I do not think that our continued actions in Afghanistan meet the definition of a just war, I don't know that they ever have.
The service and sacrifice of our men and women in uniform has promoted peace and prosperity from Germany to Korea, and enabled democracy to take hold in places like the Balkans. We have borne this burden not because we seek to impose our will. We have done so out of enlightened self-interest – because we seek a better future for our children and grandchildren, and we believe that their lives will be better if other peoples’ children and grandchildren can live in freedom and prosperity.

Notice the failure to mention Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan. They were all mistakes and Pres. Obama is merely lengthening the last one unnecessarily.
108Bauxman
      ID: 2110171217
      Sat, Dec 12, 2009, 10:01
Either somebody slipped a roofie in my water when I posted my opinion OR Seattle Zen is sober. I'm thinking there's a higher probability of someone slipping a roofie in my water.

Good post Zen, we agree. (I was in favor of Iraq at the time of the invasion though.)
109Building 7
      Leader
      ID: 171572711
      Sun, Mar 20, 2011, 20:55
Looks like war #4 (Libya) for the peace prize winner. More innocent civilians dieing due to Obama's decisions. What a joke.
110Boldwin
      ID: 4213019
      Thu, Mar 31, 2011, 17:58
The absurd awards just keep on coming.
“President Obama finally and quietly accepted his ‘transparency’ award from the open government community this week — in a closed, undisclosed meeting at the White House on Monday. The secret presentation happened almost two weeks after the White House inexplicably postponed the ceremony, which was expected to be open to the press pool.” - Politico
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