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0 Subject: US Currency - The Next Bubble To Burst

Posted by: Boldwin
- [26451820] Tue, Nov 03, 2009, 05:04

The guru I trust most on economic matters, Nouriel Roubini:
NYU economist Nouriel Roubini argued in the newspaper that by keeping federal fund interest rates at zero, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke is stimulating a historic stock market rise that is being fueled by money investment managers borrowing from the federal government.

Roubini warned that the dollar has become the "mother of all carry trades" and that it faces "an inevitable bust" that will cause asset prices to plummet in what will amount to a global stock market crash of historic proportions.

A currency is defined as being involved in a "carry trade" when the currency can be borrowed at relatively low cost and invested for what appears to be a certain or "locked-in" gain.

...Asking rhetorically what is behind the stock market rally in which the Dow Jones Industrial Average has shot above the 10,000 benchmark after reaching a low of 6,547.05 on March 9, Roubini answered that the explanation lies in the dollar replacing the Japanese yen as the world's carry trade of choice, and that has caused U.S. stock markets to be hit by "a wave of liquidity from near-zero interest rates."

Roubini's analysis was reminiscent of the attack launched against President George W. Bush that Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan had caused the "mortgage bubble" by keeping interest rates artificially low at 1 percent in 2003-2004 in order to stimulate the post-9/11 U.S. economy.

...As long as U.S. stock markets continue to go up, investors participating in the carry trade look like geniuses, Roubini argued, capable of realizing total returns in the 50-70 percent range since March.

But the carry trade cannot last forever, Roubini warned. He said at some point the Federal Reserve no longer will be able to continue buying U.S. Treasuries and other federal agency debt securities in order to keep interest rates depressed.

...On March 24, a Federal Reserve Bank of New York press release specified that the Federal Open Market Trading Desk within the Fed would purchase $1 trillion of government and quasi-government debt, including up to $300 billion of longer-term U.S. Treasury securities, in what amounted to a government-subsidized purchase of U.S. government debt.

The announced Fed purchases also included $750 billion of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae debt and up to $100 billion of debt issued by various other government agencies.

To many Americans, the move appeared equivalent to a retail consumer in debt using a MasterCard to pay the Visa bill.

"But one day this bubble will burst, leading to the biggest coordinate asset bust ever," Roubini wrote. "A stampede will occur as closing long leveraged risky asset positions across all asset classes funded by dollar shorts triggers a coordinated collapse of all those risky asset – equities, commodities, emerging market asset classes and credit instruments."

"This unraveling may not occur for a while, as easy money and excessive global liquidity can push asset prices higher for a while," he warned. "But the longer and bigger the carry trades and the larger the asset bubble, the bigger will be the ensuing asset bubble crash."

"The Fed and other policymakers seem unaware of the monster bubble they are creating. The longer they remain blind, the harder the markets will fall."

Getting sucked in by talk of the recession being over, or nearly over?

Don't be.

For the umpteenth time I tell you, simplify your lives people. You aint seen nothin' yet.

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73Boldwin
      ID: 49572022
      Thu, Jul 30, 2015, 09:52
Fun fact:
The dollar is a major form of cash currency around the world. The majority of dollar banknotes are estimated to be held outside the US. More than 70% of hundred-dollar notes and nearly 60% of twenty- and fifty-dollar notes are held abroad, while two-thirds of all US banknotes have been in circulation outside the country since 1990
Make sure you got that right, bili, cause if they actually can come flooding back...
74biliruben
      ID: 28420307
      Thu, Jul 30, 2015, 09:56
Looking at the top 5, I don't see any signs of intelligent life, captain.

followthemoney.com
peakoil.com
zerohedge
survivalistboards
libcompass

Just explain, step by step, how you expect the markets to react to some government doing what you say they will do. Step by step. Action, reaction.

Show me you know something besides hysteria.
75Boldwin
      ID: 49572022
      Thu, Jul 30, 2015, 10:18
Really? 145,000 returns for "petrodollars flood back home", and heaven forfend the top five believe that's a superbad problem or even that that's possible. That the world economy works that way. Preposterous idea no sane person would consider.

Most dollars are held by foreigners who need those dollars to buy oil, etc, but mainly oil.

What if the reserve currency becomes the yuan or IMF special drawing rights or who knows, bitcoins?

Suddenly those dollars will come back to the USA, buy an asset and stay in the USA from that time forward.

Think that would be inflationary much? Think the dollar in your bank account is still worth the same?
76biliruben
      ID: 28420307
      Thu, Jul 30, 2015, 10:26
I'm just trying to get the muddle out.

So step 1. A country starts to hold Yuan as a reserve currency. Okay.

So step 2...
77Boldwin
      ID: 49572022
      Thu, Jul 30, 2015, 10:34
Further, banks around the world hold USA treasuries as securities to prove they are legitimate institutions.

What happens if they don't think they're all that reassuring?

The next time bili goes to the bank to support the extra 100,000 illegal immigrants who showed up this month...

...oops, no one showed up at the auction. Can't borrow anymore.
78Boldwin
      ID: 49572022
      Thu, Jul 30, 2015, 10:34
Off to breakfast with my dad. Later.
79biliruben
      ID: 28420307
      Thu, Jul 30, 2015, 10:44
There are smart folks who think like you do. Doesn't mean they aren't wrong.

Besides his job, how much did Bill Gross lose over the last 6 years making bets around just this sort of logic? 5 billion? 10 billion? Probably more.

I've made 2 bubble bets in the last 10 years:

1) I sold my house in 2007.
2) I double-shorted gold at $1900/oz.

I don't regret either.
80Boldwin
      ID: 49572022
      Thu, Jul 30, 2015, 12:06
Could we agree to something civil? Could you please admit that just maybe losing reserve currency status...just maybe...might see petrodollars come flooding back home?

Just maybe that's the way the world works after all?

Kinda like Kissinger in reverse?
81biliruben
      ID: 28420307
      Thu, Jul 30, 2015, 12:15
If you explain how it will work. I just don't see it, or what it even really means. Dollars don't move by themselves. They need to be used in a transaction to purchase a good, and there are 2 parties, a buyer and a seller.

Let's start there. What are the current owners of dollars going to buy that will be inflationary?
82biliruben
      ID: 105572020
      Thu, Jul 30, 2015, 14:09
Let's put aside the reserve currency question.

Let's look at a related idea, and maybw this us what yoi meant. just say that China starts to sell all those us bonds we hold. That might actually serve to weaken the dollar against the yuan. But that would also serve to improve our trade deficit and create more jobs for Americans.

That would be a good thing, and likely return to equilibrium fairly quickly.

I can't see how this would lead to hyper inflation.
83biliruben
      ID: 561162511
      Thu, Jul 30, 2015, 14:12
..they hold.

Hard to argue on a tiny, American made phone.
84Boldwin
      ID: 49572022
      Thu, Jul 30, 2015, 19:51
I gotta do this later.

There are two related issues here.

How this country goes about financing the deficit related to the country's perceived soundness.

And inflation.

The desirability of treasuries relates to the first.

A wild rise in monetary supply [flooding back home] leads to a wild rise in the price of something, whether it is stocks or RE/hard assets or food, etc. Likely everything.

You can divert the conversation into why QE hasn't already done that, and that would be interesting...but eventually the fundamental chickens come home to roost.
85Boldwin
      ID: 49572022
      Thu, Jul 30, 2015, 20:48
Basic transaction:

1) Greek oil buyer used to maintain a balance of US dollars because they would need them for oil imports.

2) Greek oil buyer buys something else with those dollars instead and starts holding yuan or renminbi or something else...

3) Whether those exchanged dollars go directly back to the USA immediately or not, they never again get held for oil purchases by that Greek oil buyer. Eventually the dollars end up back in the USA and as the demand for dollars has gone down they are likely to stay in the USA.

4) Bubbles and inflation at home are the result.
86Boldwin
      ID: 49572022
      Thu, Jul 30, 2015, 20:52
Equilibrium...yeah, that's not the panacea. But it is what we are headed for. Our wages are indeed surely being averaged with the rest of the 'living-on-$100-per-year' world.

Kumbaya
87Boldwin
      ID: 49572022
      Thu, Jul 30, 2015, 20:58
Average Chinese family income is 1/8 it's American counterpart.

May all those people who pushed the WTO see their incomes end up at the new normal. May they have to compete with slave labor for their next meal.
88biliruben
      ID: 28420307
      Fri, Jul 31, 2015, 01:04
Well, yeah. There is an ongoing competition for jobs, at all levels of the economic ladder. F'in capitalism and market forces are not the friend of the US worker.

Not sure what this has to do with reserve currencies however.
89Boldwin
      ID: 49572022
      Fri, Jul 31, 2015, 03:58
Capitalism didn't bring us down. Big government micro-managers, the exact opposite did. Treasonous treaties and trade deals did. Uber-wealthy Internationalists who wanted to bring America down did. Cultural marxists who hated all things American did.
90Boldwin
      ID: 49572022
      Fri, Jul 31, 2015, 04:00
Everyone with an anti-American agenda had discipline and persistence. The average voter didn't.
91biliruben
      ID: 81382416
      Fri, Jul 31, 2015, 10:52
The protectionism, distorting pure market forces, is marxism?

And George Bush committed treason?

Just trying to follow your, um, logic.
92biliruben
      ID: 105572020
      Fri, Jul 31, 2015, 13:18
Actually you are suggesting removing the protectionism is Marxism. That just silly.
93Boldwin
      ID: 49572022
      Fri, Jul 31, 2015, 16:49
'Competing' with slave wages held down artificially by a marxist government does not constitute free markets. It is also impossible. That trade war is over before it starts. As your closed factories demonstrate.
94Boldwin
      ID: 49572022
      Wed, Aug 12, 2015, 02:34
China situation different than reaction in previous situations.
95Boldwin
      ID: 2711516
      Mon, Aug 17, 2015, 17:28
Interesting:

96Boldwin
      ID: 2711516
      Tue, Aug 18, 2015, 20:26
While I read a zillion people expecting a crash soon and that China will be the ignition point, the reporter I trust most claims China has turned the corner and nothing to worry about.

I wanna believe the crash will be delayed and that I have a year at least to prepare.

Please have it right Ambrose.
97biliruben
      ID: 137281811
      Wed, Aug 19, 2015, 11:27
What people? What sort of crash? Why?
98Boldwin
      ID: 2711516
      Wed, Aug 19, 2015, 20:02
It's a house of cards and you haven't even caught a whiff of it, have you?

Virtually every country is operating on unprecedented levels of quantitative easing to paper over economies and deficit spending out of control. Not a central bank lever left in sight that works anymore.

EU on the brink.
Japan on the brink.
Russia in panic mode and openly sabre rattling.
China with their banking system and stock market melting down.
USA so bankrupt it's very nearly mathematically impossible to recover. All the while taking on new creative entitlement burdens.
Vultures like Soros and hedge fund managers strip mining the wealth of America thru tried and true methods perfected in the Great Recession.
Unsupportable derivative overhangs greater than the combined wealth of the world many times over.
Companies relocating their headquarters in tax havens and making sure their profits never touch our shores.
Our military being hollowed out right before World War. Power abhors a vacuum.
America's enemies explicitly spelling out their plan to take us down as our own administration busses in muslim cutthroats from the most Islamist America hating impossible to assimilate countries in the world, like Somalia.

Really the only thing holding back the deluge is that the elites haven't finished sucking us dry.

The era of the functional nation state [and even functional regional union] is over and they are very very impatient to administer the death stroke and usher in their 'utopian' world government.
99Boldwin
      ID: 2711516
      Wed, Aug 19, 2015, 20:15
What's even more ghastly, 30% of America is actually ready to vote for a card carrying marxist so far to the left he can't stomach joining the Dem party.

They don't give a crap about western culture, surreptitiously side with the enemy every time. Join hitlerian anti-semetic BDS movements.

Think this picture is funny:



Walk Berkley wishing ISIS flag-wavers good luck.

And those are the people who are going to be in our foxhole during WWIII.

The ones who think Iran, the nukes we just guaranteed them, and the Russian warships now sitting in their harbors...

...should be trusted.

...and that American patriots are the real threat.

100Bean
      ID: 14147911
      Wed, Aug 19, 2015, 22:25
The amazing thing is that the only thing at risk in our economy is the currency. It is the illusion that holds everything together. When you no longer believe the illusion, then the economy falters. The chicken littles are the guys who have awaken from the dream. Whose illusion is best.....America for now.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
101Boldwin
      ID: 2711516
      Mon, Aug 24, 2015, 16:51
bili

That crash. Anyone wanna guess the bottom? Anyone brave enuff to bargain hunt?
102biliruben
      ID: 28420307
      Mon, Aug 24, 2015, 18:23
A long overdue correction. I'm starting to window shop, but I'll probably wait a bit.
103Boldwin
      ID: 2711516
      Mon, Aug 24, 2015, 21:33
Bet those connected hedge fund managers and insiders were so short on stocks at the start of this run that they were dancing with atoms.
104Boldwin
      ID: 2711516
      Tue, Aug 25, 2015, 18:28
"This is 2008 stuff" - Zerohedge
.
105Boldwin
      ID: 2711516
      Wed, Aug 26, 2015, 17:10
The best predictive indicator there is, the Baltic Dry Index is in freefall.
106biliruben
      ID: 39256112
      Wed, Aug 26, 2015, 17:30


The supply of cargo ships is generally both tight and inelastic—it takes two years to build a new ship, and the cost of laying up a ship is too high to take out of trade for short intervals,[6] the way you might park a car safely over the winter. So, marginal increases in demand can push the index higher quickly, and marginal demand decreases can cause the index to fall rapidly. e.g. "if you have 100 ships competing for 99 cargoes, rates go down, whereas if you've 99 ships competing for 100 cargoes, rates go up. In other words, small fleet changes and logistical matters can crash rates.

- Wikipedia
107Boldwin
      ID: 2711516
      Wed, Aug 26, 2015, 17:31
Legendary gold expert Jim Sinclair says what is going on right now in the stock market is just the warm-up act. Sinclair contends, “This is a pre-crash, and we are not making it through September without the real thing. Everybody is on credit. Main Street is on credit. This seems to be a bubble of historical proportion when it comes to the amount of money supporting the accepted lifestyles as being the new normal. Raising interest rates is impossible today. The market is so fragile. Nothing can come out that causes people any concern or derivatives any change, nothing whatsoever. We are going through a period of time where expecting nothing meaningful is a dream. These are times never experienced in financial history. . . .It is very possible that we are going to have a super civilization change.

The US Plunge Protection Team is losing control of the markets, and Sinclair warns, “They got the dickens scared out of them. They actually backed off providing the funds necessary. . . . That’s your warning. The warning is markets can overrun plunge protection teams. Markets can and will overrun the manipulation of metals and currencies. The market will overrun the false strength in the US dollar. The idea that a lift in interest rates would be beneficial to the dollar is absolutely incorrect. We do know the limits of the Plunge Protection Team, and we do know the omnipotent power of the Fed is a total fallacy.”
108biliruben
      ID: 39256112
      Wed, Aug 26, 2015, 17:33
If you believe that, it sounds like you should take out some credit and short the living shit out of the market.
109Boldwin
      ID: 2711516
      Wed, Aug 26, 2015, 17:48
Over time, the BDI is the best indicator of global economic health because, unlike the futures market, the BDI does not engage in speculation as it provide near real time data on what and what is being shipped. The determinations made by the BDI are such an accurate indicator of economic activity because businesses don’t book freighters when they have no cargo to move. In short, the BDI is the world’s financial blood pressure measure. The BDI is said to be one day away from reaching its all-time low. - The Common Sense Show David Hodges
110Boldwin
      ID: 2711516
      Wed, Aug 26, 2015, 17:49
That's what the hedge funds are doing.
111biliruben
      ID: 39256112
      Wed, Aug 26, 2015, 17:57
The chart sure looks like a trailing indicator.

If you were buying on credit at it's all-time high in mid-2008... Yikes.

And selling in 2009 when the market was poised to double inside of the next 2 years.

I'll skip the market-timing and cryptic rants from zero-hedge, thank you very much. That way leads to the fleecing of the sheep.
112Boldwin
      ID: 2711516
      Wed, Aug 26, 2015, 18:05
That's what I did in 2008.
113biliruben
      ID: 39256112
      Wed, Aug 26, 2015, 18:10
You bought a mega yacht? Cheated on your wife?

You're more cryptic than zero hedge.
114biliruben
      ID: 39256112
      Wed, Aug 26, 2015, 18:13
Hedge funds are for suckers. Unless you are running them. If you win, you win. If you lose, you win.

If you give them your money, you sooner or later you lose. Ask all the pension fund managers who are telling them to take a hike.
115Boldwin
      ID: 2711516
      Wed, Aug 26, 2015, 18:22
I was speaking in my Elena Ambrosiadou voice.
116biliruben
      ID: 39256112
      Wed, Aug 26, 2015, 18:27
She somehow misused the BDI in 2008 to convince herself to sell instead of buy?

Your feminine side isn't too bright, but perhaps lucky is better than smart.
117Boldwin
      ID: 2711516
      Wed, Aug 26, 2015, 18:44
Like all the hedge funds that made out like bandits, they were fully in position shorting the markets before the crash.

Another hedge fund is an interesting example. Steven Eisman convinced Obama to crush small independent colleges, by denying their students government subsidies...and then of course Eisman who previously became rich shorting the housing bubble, began shorting small private education.

The wealth being created today in America is largely connected cronys and insiders surfing America's decline as she circles the toilet bowl. And as they deliberately sabotage it.
118biliruben
      ID: 39256112
      Wed, Aug 26, 2015, 18:48
That's what "hedge" means. Of course most did well before that crash.

If you really think they were able to predict the market because of some sort of insider info or some market indicator, than they are much stupider than I thought. We should all be owned by them right now, if that were the case.

Look at your latest heartthrob Elena's record lately by the way. It's pathetic since she tossed her quant husband overboard.
119biliruben
      ID: 39256112
      Wed, Aug 26, 2015, 18:50
Did well during the crash I mean. If they used BDI they wouldn't have, however.

You seem adept at one thing, and that thing is changing the subject.
120Boldwin
      ID: 2711516
      Wed, Aug 26, 2015, 19:01
She also threw out her entire research team in a fit of paranoid pique over who was supporting which side of the couple.
121Boldwin
      ID: 2711516
      Wed, Aug 26, 2015, 19:10


Had you reacted to the BDI when it went into freefall June-July 2008, by shorting housing, investment banking, etc...you would have made out like bandits after Sept when Lehman was allowed to go bankrupt and Goldman/Sachs and Morgan Stanley weren't.
122Boldwin
      ID: 2711516
      Wed, Aug 26, 2015, 19:13
I'll also point out that the BDI had a false drop in Feb of this year. The central banks barely averted disaster. But as you see from the 2008 BDI, one save doesn't win the soccer match.
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