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Subject: Poli baseball 2013
Posted by: Tree
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| 1158 | GO
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Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 13:46
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I think we said it somewhere before -- its going to be up to the manager to check he's in Yahoo before making the pick - not on the commishes to check that 500 players are. Its their responsibility. If they can't take 10 seconds to confirm a questionable guy is in the database and pick a guy who isn't -- then their penalty is all the picks that might happen until they get around to repicking.
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| 1159 | GO
ID: 120252515
Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 13:47
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1157 - I see that the same as the guy who gets named closer out of nowhere halfway through the draft. Just luck of the draw. But I am not aware of anyone being added that late in the pre-season.
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| 1160 | Bean
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Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 13:51
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GO I am OK with the ruleset, just want it ALL spelled out so that it isnt controversial in the future when all I do is apply the rules that we all agreed to.
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| 1161 | Bean
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Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 13:53
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If I have learned anything about this league, its that if we CAN argue about something, we WILL.
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| 1162 | Boldwin
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Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 20:50
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I can think of no way to screw up GO's rule in #1153 and at least four ways to screw things up, end up drafting someone else's player all the time, and overburden the commish record keeping with Bean's versions.
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| 1163 | Bean
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Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 22:26
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<1162> I can see no way to screw things up with 1153 as long as the rule explicitly says what happens if despite the rule, some one still picks up a player in draft time who is ineligible. It happened this year with the Prior Rule in place, so dont tell me it wont happen again.
I also want to have it spelled out exactly how to interpret what happens when a player appears in the Yahoo database mid-draft. You dont put it in the rules now, you will force me to spell it out pre-draft every year I am commissioner to avoid the inevitable debate.
As GO has said before, why not just write a few more words? As you have said before, we are all gentlemen, so why not just go along with my request?
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| 1164 | Biliruben
ID: 358252515
Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 22:40
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Tune into yu right now if you can.
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| 1165 | Biliruben
ID: 358252515
Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 22:58
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Oh no! Thru his legs, 2 outs bottom of the ninth.
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| 1166 | Bean
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Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 23:08
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14 Ks one hit in 8.2 IPs . That's pretty hard to top.
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| 1167 | Tree
ID: 0271015
Wed, Apr 03, 2013, 01:42
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watching the last few innings, here in bar in Fort Worth, was nuts.
everyone was on the edge of their seats, and then a collective scream and everyone burying their heads in their hands in disbelief.
it wasn't quite Game 6, but it was close.
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| 1168 | Tree
ID: 0271015
Wed, Apr 03, 2013, 01:43
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I also want to have it spelled out exactly how to interpret what happens when a player appears in the Yahoo database mid-draft. You dont put it in the rules now, you will force me to spell it out pre-draft every year I am commissioner to avoid the inevitable debate.
if he's in yahoo, he's eligible. if he wasn't there when you drafted, sorry about your luck.
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| 1169 | Bean
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Wed, Apr 03, 2013, 03:12
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yup, just put it in writing is all i ask, then I wont be the bad guy, the rules will be. wont be personal, will be clinical.
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| 1170 | GO
ID: 120252515
Wed, Apr 03, 2013, 10:43
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Needs to available in the Yahoo database "at the time he is picked in the supplemental draft" ?
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| 1171 | Nerveclinic
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Wed, Apr 03, 2013, 11:17
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And I think GO is right, they generally don't anyone new until right before or after the season starts.
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| 1172 | PV
ID: 1010151016
Wed, Apr 03, 2013, 11:48
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Re Jorge's skipped prospect pick. I'm in Las Vegas playing in a golf tournament. I suggest using league email to inform him he needs to either make a pick within 24 hours or forfeit.
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| 1173 | GO
ID: 82361413
Wed, Apr 03, 2013, 11:56
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Already did.
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| 1174 | Boldwin
ID: 37321317
Wed, Apr 03, 2013, 18:41
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It happened this year with the Prior Rule in place - Bean#1163
Apparently it wasn't. If it was, I couldn't tell.
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| 1175 | Tree
ID: 0271015
Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 01:22
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Yahoo has give us something new - the NA roster slot
i am wondering if we shouldn't add 5 NA slots, so we can put our prospects there and not worry about someone else grabbing them because they weren't paying attention.
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| 1176 | Boldwin
ID: 29348322
Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 02:45
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Absolutely not. I don't want my prospects automatically thrown onto our active roster when they hit the bigs.
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| 1177 | Boldwin
ID: 29348322
Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 04:42
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Subjective of course:
Best value picks
1.08 Gallardo, Yovani - Tree
1.13 Rollins, Jimmy - Boldwin [still a keeper in my book, but you know me and old players]
8.11 Hellickson, Jeremy - Punk, really slid IMO.
9.04 Minor, Mike - WG
9.06 Belt, Brandon - bili, I really like this pick for this team at this spot in the draft. Bili in the right place at the right time.
9.07 Viciedo, Dayan - PV, stealthy
9.13 Granderson, Curtis - Boldwin, thanks.
10.03 Vogelsong, Ryan - C1-NRB
10.13 Hammel, Jason - Boldwin. opening day high-strikout pitcher on a nice team in the tenth round. At this draft spot, worth it if I just get a safe but highish 3.80 ERA along with the 200 K's and wins I expect. This Bal team is rockin' finally.
11.13 Ramirez, Alexei - Boldwin, pretty solid multi-position UT at this point in the draft.
13.01 Porcello, Rick - Bobo
13.03 Ruggiano, Justin - C1-NRB, one of the nicest multi-position UT's out there. This one kinda stung at the time, tho I'm slightly revising my estimate of this player downward just recently. I had high hopes for him.
13.08 Dunn, Adam - Tree, that's a lotta HR's this late in the draft.
15.02 Buchholz, Clay - Jorge, insane value, maybe the best value pick of the draft.
High upside coinflips
Guys that are a big chance of being average, but have game-changing upside. Gambles I like.
2.13 Lester, Jon - Boldwin I think he's all the way back, but pitchers are evil.
3.11 Samardzija, Jeff - Nerve, I'm a big big believer, but he's a Cub. He's a one year wonder kinda and historically the Cub's easily can turn a great year into a sub-ten win season. I'm the first person Nerve should target for a trade here.
3.14 Lincecum, Tim - GO, huge upside, less than 50% chance of paying off even close to 3'rd round value IMO. Happy to see GO take this gamble even tho I fear it.
7.05 Ryu, Hyun-Jin - Bobo, I like it. Tho I've seen a lotta Japanese pitchers deliver surprising grief.
7.10 Eaton, Adam - VW, that's about where he is going in expert leagues. High ceiling, high chance of washing out, for this year at least.
8.07 Teheran, Julio - PV, probably a brilliant pick. My estimation of this player sure changed in a hurry.
9.14 Youkilis, Kevin - GO, I remember when Youkilis was Youkilis and he's gonna get choice batting order and opportunity to shine. Such bad numbers lately and there was no way I was taking him over Granderson 9.13 but I was feelin the attraction for Youkilis at this point.
Interesting picks:
1.14 Soriano, Rafael - GO goes entirely against the prevailing wisdom, 'never pay for saves'. With a keeper closer as well. If everything goes right he can get three slots of saves for the roster space of two. Are cracks starting to show in Papelbon?
Prospect, rookie or small sample size wonder taken in the top half of the draft. [I'm not including guys I think are locks]
2.08 Perez, Salvador - Tree, I think he pays off but I'm always shocked at people paying full price for sleepers. You almost have to in our league.
2.14 Matt Harvey - GO
4.10 Gyorko, Jedd - VW, wow that's taking him high. Tho I do think he pays off.
7.05 Jansen, Kenley - Taxman
8.01 Fujikawa, Kyuji - Bobo
8.10 Bradley, Jackie - VW, another great pickup for a rebuilding team, which VW's isn't really.
10.05 Martin, Leonys - Taxman
11.11 Simmons, Andrelton - Punk
12.06 Alburquerque, Al - bili, lookin even better after seeing the Det pen blowing up.
Fantastic build-for-the-future pick
7.10 Eaton, Adam - VW
8.04 Puig, Yasiel - WG
9.01 Rosenthal, Trevor - Bobo, [I know I know, you aren't rebuilding, yer gonna win it this year]
3.03 Trumbo, Mark - C1-NRB, maybe not fantastic value but the right sort of gamble for this team. Wouldn't he have slipped more?
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| 1178 | Tree
ID: 0271015
Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 10:34
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Absolutely not. I don't want my prospects automatically thrown onto our active roster when they hit the bigs.
um. they're not. that's not how it works.
they're NA. they don't automatically get thrown onto the active roster. you'd have to manually move them.
this prevents things like people accidentally picking up prospects.
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| 1179 | Bean
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Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 10:42
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Sounds good to me, only need to make sure people who arent on the prospect list dont slide into the NA roster slots. No way to prevent that it would seem.
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| 1180 | Biliruben
ID: 358252515
Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 10:53
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This solves the wrong problem. People pick up the non-na players, because they are useful and playing. I assume as soon as they become active, and other managers would start erroneously considering to pick them up, you would be forced to remove them from those spots or cease being able to make transactions. If that's not true, then I could see some benefit, albeit with complications.
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| 1181 | Tree
ID: 0271015
Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 11:00
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hmm, that's a good point Bili. let me do a little more research. if they can stay in your NA spot indefinitely, it works. if not, it doesn't.
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| 1182 | Bean
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Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 11:17
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another possible option to look at is creating two additional teams to house the prospects. Of course early on you have to force them to a point where they are at the bottom for all 10 stat categories. I've seen that done effectively before.
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| 1183 | Boldwin
ID: 29348322
Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 11:31
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I cannot see where in the wording it says that we define who is NA. Yahoo already labels people NA. Why shouldn't we conclude that this means only people with Yahoo's designation are eligible to be placed or to continue occupying space on our NA bench?
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| 1184 | Boldwin
ID: 29348322
Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 11:40
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Doesn't this wording almost guarantee that Yahoo are the ones picking the NA pool of NA available players?Player designations are updated each evening as information becomes available, so the NA status won't update until the day following their MLB debut. I think the chances Nerve can place Carlos Rodon on NA are about zero.
I'd love to place Granderson off my regular roster for his possible 50 game PED suspension but if Yahoo decides who gets the NA designation, how are our NA players not dumped back into the regular rosters as soon as they lose their NA thus screwing up our prospect roster?
I'd also love to be able to draft guys on 50 game PED suspensions without costing me a roster spot. Draft implications there.
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| 1185 | Tree
ID: 1830412
Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 13:00
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I'd love to place Granderson off my regular roster for his possible 50 game PED suspension
broke this up into two points, because that's what this is.
this first is a no go. that's not what i am implying or intending in regards to the NA status. if you draft/keep/whatever a player and he gets suspended, that's on you.
i am discussing using the NA status STRICTLY FOR PROSPECTS THAT WE HAVE DRAFT/ACQUIRED THROUGH TRADE/ETC
but if Yahoo decides who gets the NA designation, how are our NA players not dumped back into the regular rosters as soon as they lose their NA thus screwing up our prospect roster?
like a player coming off the DL, they are not automatically moved to your roster, especially if there isn't a spot for them. you can keep someone on your DL indefinitely if you'd like.
the NA Yahoo Status doesn't change their Prospect status in OUR game. it is simply a place to "store" them. there is no need to over think this.
AGAIN, TO MAKE THIS PERFECTLY CLEAR: i am not discussing anything to change our active rosters or our game. i am not discussing using the NA status for players who are NOT on our current prospect lists.
i am only discussing players who are currently prospects, and places to hold them.
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| 1186 | Biliruben
ID: 358252515
Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 13:04
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The fact that this leap was made, makes me suspect simply bringing this option up was a mistake...
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| 1187 | Tree
ID: 1830412
Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 13:07
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that's not really a good conclusion bili.
Baldwin ALWAYS takes a leap when something new is brought up. it's inevitable in this league.
i think it really could help things out in regards to tracking prospects.
the rule is simple. the NA list is only for the prospects we own. no one else.
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| 1188 | Bean
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Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 14:16
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I've given this a little more thought. The only issue I see with using it is the need to police it during the season to make sure that ONLY prospects use the NA designation. It is a burden not unlike RIHC's IS where you have to check to make sure every injured replacement is returned to the FA pool once the original player is back in action. A stupid rule that could be eliminated by just incresing bench players, I might add. Anyway, I digress.
I dont know if you can do it this year Tree, but if its my responsibility next year, I would just as soon fix rosters when people accidentally pick up a prospect that was on a list that everyone has a copy of.
Its my experience that policing transactions is easier than policing rosters. The transaction log points you to the potential issues immediately.
Let me ask this, how often do people accidentally pick up a prospect that they should not have each season? If it is frequent, who is the culprit? If there are chronic abusers, then slap a penalty on them...one week of no transactions or something like that. Just a thought.
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| 1189 | Tree
ID: 1830412
Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 14:23
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I dont know if you can do it this year Tree, but if its my responsibility next year, I would just as soon fix rosters when people accidentally pick up a prospect that was on a list that everyone has a copy of.
yes, it can be done immediately.
the problem arises if someone picks up a prospect, no one catches it, and then the player is used in a game.
there's no real way to backtrack on stats accumulated, as far as i know.
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| 1190 | Bean
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Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 14:27
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There are only three reasons why someone would pick up a protected prospect:
1) They used the list before selecting the player and made a mistake
2) They didnt use the list, relying on their apparently poor memory
3) They did it on purpose
Impose a penalty and you will eliminate #3 and you will greatly diminish #2 and perhaps even reduce #1. Just saying
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| 1191 | Bean
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ID: 49934911
Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 14:40
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<1177> Not a single guy on this list. Well obviously I am totally screwed. New goal: finish just ahead of Boldwin in 13th.
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| 1192 | Biliruben
ID: 358252515
Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 15:29
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And happens a couple times a season. It's always #2.
I thin this "fix" will cause more problems than it will solve. Mainly because it won't solve any problems. Nobody accidentally picks up NA players.
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| 1193 | Biliruben
ID: 358252515
Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 15:34
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And of they did, then the stats wouldn't be effected. They are inactive, right?
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| 1194 | Tree
ID: 1830412
Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 15:53
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my concern is prospects who start as NA, then go off NA during the course of the season. there's nothing to stop them from being picked up - well, unless they're on someone's NA list. :o)
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| 1195 | Biliruben
ID: 358252515
Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 17:23
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Which as far as I can tell, they can't be on. At least if the manager wants to make transactions. It's not explicit in the help, but they make parallels to the DL slot. That's how it works there.
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| 1196 | Bean
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ID: 49934911
Thu, Apr 04, 2013, 20:35
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And in summary, it seemed like it had promise, but on further investigation perhaps less value given the baggage it brings.
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| 1197 | Boldwin
ID: 13330423
Fri, Apr 05, 2013, 00:46
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When you have someone on the DL who is no longer qualified, while it doesn't automatically dump the player back onto the active roster, it prevents you from making any further roster moves until you correct the situation.
If we try and use this NA system for the purpose Tree imagines we could, my strong presumption is that as soon as any of our prospects hit the bigs we will no longer be able to make roster moves [other than setting the daily lineup] until we move the now no longer qualifying NA off the NA list.
Tree has a fun idea. It just won't work like he thinks it will. If wishes were horses the Yahoo system would do anything we wanted it to.
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| 1198 | GO
ID: 300542419
Fri, Apr 05, 2013, 09:36
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Anyone think Sags will finish his prospect draft anytime soon? Sure would be nice to open the regular season thread. I posted and emailed.
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| 1200 | Boldwin
ID: 323259
Fri, Apr 05, 2013, 12:16
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Bean, I would just love to see your list and get your specific comments.
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| 1201 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Fri, Apr 05, 2013, 17:04
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What have I missed
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| 1202 | Boldwin
ID: 28358512
Fri, Apr 05, 2013, 19:17
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Yahoo teased us with a new feature that almost looks like we could stash our prospect keepers.
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| 1203 | Bean
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ID: 49934911
Sun, Apr 07, 2013, 00:37
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<1200> Ask for my list in October, I will be glad to give it to you then.
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| 1204 | GO
ID: 300542419
Sun, Apr 07, 2013, 23:21
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Sags less than 24 hours to make a prospect pick
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| 1205 | Boldwin
ID: 0331810
Mon, Apr 08, 2013, 13:52
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Whew, kinda glad I didn't get discouraged and sit Butler after they kept him mainly on the bench for the first inter-league game.
Give these studs a day off and so often they explode the next day, I've noticed.
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| 1206 | Boldwin
ID: 0331810
Mon, Apr 08, 2013, 13:52
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Grand slam and 7 RBI.
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| 1207 | Tree
ID: 40328723
Mon, Apr 08, 2013, 16:42
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Let me ask this, how often do people accidentally pick up a prospect that they should not have each season?
well, there's the first. lol
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| 1208 | Boldwin
ID: 8324919
Wed, Apr 10, 2013, 03:05
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Stupid rules...grrr. My streamer Bedard one hits Seattle for four innings. Clemmens comes in and gives up 5 runs in 4 innings and gets the win.
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