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Subject: Liberals and Intolerance
Posted by: Gator
- [19323103] Mon, May 12, 2014, 15:43
I see Liberals on this forum post about being tolerant because they support gay marriage and immigrant rights ( still not sure if they mean legal or illegals ones). Why is supporting gay marriage a sign of one's tolerance? Only a small minority of the populous is gay, even fewer of those want to get married and even fewer cannot travel to state where gay marriage is legal. I thought tolerance was a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward opinions and practices that differ from one's own. I see no hint of tolerance with any opinion other than the talking points of the far left. It would seem to me that the Liberals champion these issues in order to give a false sense on tolerance. "Hey, look at me, I support gay marriage, I am tolerant of others! |
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| 137 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Wed, May 21, 2014, 13:05
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BTW, Sheriff Andy told Otis where the key to the jail was and told him he was welcome to check himself in anytime he wanted to sleep it off.
If you dont like the Andy of Mayberry references, sorry, best I can do.
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| 138 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Wed, May 21, 2014, 13:19
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I think it fair for the British Government to get the hell out of our country...just so you know where I am coming from.
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| 139 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Wed, May 21, 2014, 13:21
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I think it fair that we pull our forces out of England and let them defend themselves
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| 140 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Wed, May 21, 2014, 15:14
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I am sorry I omitted this ref in in my post 132.
I know I must appear to be an idiot. Sorry I'll try to do better.
126 No sense of proportionality.
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| 141 | Boldwin
ID: 424532112
Wed, May 21, 2014, 17:04
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Sorry, the point of #133, #134, #136-#140 eludes me. Cranky yet without the clever fun.
For once I detect someone who can debate me a bit and have fun in the process, but these lapses...IDK.
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| 142 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Wed, May 21, 2014, 17:19
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133 Argument through repetition of an undying theme.
134 Argument through asking the same question repeatedly until a response is given
136 A funny joke with reference to other innane posts for your entertainment
140 Isnt it obvious, I point out that you wanted a sense of proportionality with your justice, I show you one of the worst possible examples of lack of proportionality demonstrated by the right. I then jab you one more time with I am an idiot etc, and of course you should be realizing that I am just saying what BP said. I mock you with combinations dancing past you then putting you against the ropes.
Work on your game Boldy....tired of taking you to school. hehe
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| 143 | Boldwin
ID: 424532112
Wed, May 21, 2014, 17:22
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Dean: Republicans have sold the country and aren’t Americans. Obama: Republicans aren’t patriotic.
Obama’s and Dean’s messages are too consistent with each other to be considered slips of the tongue or cases of either man just getting carried away. They are talking from the same set of ideas, for the same purpose.
The comments come from two consequential figures who should not be ignored.
While their consistent message betrays desperation, as the Democrats are set to lose the Senate this fall, it also betrays vindictiveness.
This is a kind of othering that precedes pogroms. Dehumanize. Separate. Villify. And then…what?
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| 144 | Pancho Villa
ID: 2131916
Wed, May 21, 2014, 17:25
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Liberals are trying to fine the Green family into poverty to force them into violating their faith.
How are they violating their faith? No one in the Green family is being forced to use birth control. No one who works for Hobby Lobby is being forced to use birth control. Hobby Lobby isn't a religious organization. No one believes that if the Green family decides to break the current law, for whatever reason, that they'd be forced into poverty and soup lines.
Personally, I don't agree with birth control being a required element in health insurance policies, but I'm not female. 15 states, including red ones, have laws requiring insurers to cover the diagnosis and treatment of infertility. I don't agree with those laws either, but I don't see any employers pleading certain poverty if they decide to break those laws that may violate their faith.
You will be happy when some gay sues me into poverty for not working for him/her.
If, by you, you're referring to me, let me remind you that one of the reasons I left the radio business is that a gay man that I fired threatened to sue the company, and the company capitulated by offering him a settlement, even though the firing was well deserved and within company policy. As part of the settlement, I was required to take a harassment class, which I refused. So I have no idea why you would make yourself look so foolish for making that statement.
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| 145 | Boldwin
ID: 424532112
Wed, May 21, 2014, 17:34
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And yet you always take the gay mafia side. It sure seems like that to me.
Yes it's hard to keep track of everyone's position on every issue. As rare as it is for me to have an ally around here, you'd think that would stand out.
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| 146 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Wed, May 21, 2014, 18:21
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143 Dean rants that the Republicans have “sold out” the country, and then rails against voter ID law"
First of all, My view on voter ID...of course its appropriate. You could have access to the photo ID database alternatively, so that someone who recently lost theirs isnt refused to execute their voting right. Anyway, if you cant make the effort to have your ID ready for the vote, perhaps it doesnt mean that much to you. Democrats are way out of line here.
Colorado does much of their elections in advance of the Poll Days through the mail. A little scary maybe, but they do.
As to whether I agree with Dean on Republicans selling out the country. BP owns our oil reserves because Reagan sold them to them. Nothing more to say.
Preston's quote traced back to the previous article reveals this statement from Obama in its entirity (prolly still a bit out of context but here it is anyway):
We’ve got one party in Congress right now that has been captured by ideologues whose core premise is “no” — who fundamentally believe that the problem is government; who don’t believe that we as a community, as a country have any serious role to play in giving people a hand up; whose budget reflects an interest in cutting back commitments to the most vulnerable and freeing the most powerful from any constraints; and whose principal focus at any given point in the day is trying to figure out how can they make people sufficiently cynical, sufficiently angry, sufficiently suspicious that they can win the next election.
I hate to be blunt about it, but that’s the play. And, by the way, when I say a party has been captured, it’s because I actually want an effective, serious, patriotic, capable, sober-minded Republican Party. And we’ve had that in the past.
I'll say this, the president should use more guarded words, but it sounds alot like something I might say. The president isnt a Crank on rotoguru though.
My view is that if you want free markets and free thought and free speech, then the only way to ensure them all is to limit the power and authority of any one individual or group either in the market, religious thought, or politics/government.
Unfortunately, this is a world where there are borders, where the majority isnt always right, where we all operate from limited knowledge, where economies of scale are essential for competition and where some projects require many resources to implement them. Reality just gets in the way of ideology sometimes.
Here's my final view of who should run the country.
Not the businessman because he is only in charge because he has accumulated the most power through personal wealth that he refuses to share.
Not the military because the top general can use the chain of command concept to impose his personal will.
Not the organized church, because its head could use his moral authority to justify anything.
Not a foreign entity, because they absolutely do not have YOUR best interest at heart.
That leaves the government/politicians.
This country has yet to heal from the hanging chad fiasco. You have to admit that seen from an outsider there was a Governor of FL who was the brother of a Presidential candidate whose questionable election process barely won the presidency. You need not look anywhere else to explain cynicism in this country, though there are many other reasons for it.
Anyway, the common man has two choices each election, a Democrat or a Republican. Most of us can see pros and cons with either choice, but we MUST make a choice. We tend to go with the guy we trust in our gut often for our own self-serving reasons. We are inevitably manipulated by those who deliver messages to us. Some get more audience than others for all sorts of reasons.
Moral of the story:
As my forebearers taught me, nobody wins a popularity contest fighting for the powerful. Often the only way to gather a following is to declare a powerful enemy. Both sides use the tactic, but attacking the government that was duly elected is just self-loathing, so I do not understand how this treasonous behavior should be considered an option.
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| 147 | Boldwin
ID: 424532112
Wed, May 21, 2014, 18:43
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I don't call anyone depending on winning elections by including every illegal alien they can bus to the ballot box, 'duly elected'.
I also don't call marxism American.
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| 148 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Wed, May 21, 2014, 18:51
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148 Yeah, the illegal alien issue and to a lesser degree the correct amount and skill mix of legal aliens with a path to citizenship is of great concern to me. Are you saying you think that there were illegals voting in the FL election back then?
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| 149 | Pancho Villa
ID: 2131916
Wed, May 21, 2014, 19:21
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And yet you always take the gay mafia side
I am in favor of gay marriage because it's a basic right. Other than that the statement is false.
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| 150 | Boldwin
ID: 424532112
Wed, May 21, 2014, 19:23
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Of course. They are encouraged to vote. They are not asked about their citizenship. Many of them are not even aware they aren't eligible. They just except the encouragement to vote at face value. Did you think FLA didn't have more than their fair share of illegal aliens?
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| 151 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Wed, May 21, 2014, 19:44
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I'm sure they did, especially Carribean islanders, question is did Jeb let them vote?
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| 152 | Tree
ID: 438482411
Wed, May 21, 2014, 19:47
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And yet you always take the gay mafia side. It sure seems like that to me.
what the hell does that even mean? the gay mafia?? jesus, what an idiotic comment.
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| 153 | Boldwin
ID: 424532112
Wed, May 21, 2014, 20:03
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"gay mafia", 1/4 million google hits and it's own wiki entry.
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| 154 | Gator
ID: 19323103
Wed, May 21, 2014, 20:08
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If the gay mafia makes me an offer, I am refusing it.
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| 155 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Wed, May 21, 2014, 20:11
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Gator...that was pretty funny, original?
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| 156 | sarge33rd
ID: 593111219
Thu, May 22, 2014, 16:33
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150...you have factual evidence and supporting links for this? Not the same links as claimed 147% of the registered voters in St Lucie county voted, when they were using a 4 page ballot, and the number of PAGES was 147% of the nr of registered voters.
Out of 175,554 registered voters, 247,713 vote cards were cast -
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| 157 | Boldwin
ID: 25441225
Thu, May 22, 2014, 20:20
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Oh! Oh! Oh! Sarge! Tell them about that time the Bar Assn proved there were only 8 illegal alien votes cast in that election that one time. That's always good for a laff!
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| 158 | sarge33rd
ID: 390471112
Thu, May 22, 2014, 22:01
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IOW, no...you dont have any such evidence.
TY for playing our game.
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| 159 | Boldwin
ID: 164262222
Fri, May 23, 2014, 09:22
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Don't forget that tho the 'culture war' is just a day at the beach for liberals, it's a real war with real casualties for the right.
Because we have different rules in the media and in the Justice Dept.
For context remember Obama's view of campaign finance laws.
How much less complicated life is for liberals. Excused from Obamacare. Excused from the law. Excused from personal responsibility. Excused from caring about individuals. Excused from morality.
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| 160 | Boldwin
ID: 164262222
Fri, May 23, 2014, 09:33
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And they specifically asked him to donate the exact dollar amount that would keep him under the legal requirement to identify the country of origin for the donation.
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| 161 | biliruben
ID: 81382416
Fri, May 23, 2014, 10:13
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I can assure you I hate Wall Street scum more than you do.
But, it sounds like you are advocating for making it an offense punishable by jail time for running a company into bankruptcy.
Is that right? A yes or no response will suffice.
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| 162 | Boldwin
ID: 164262222
Fri, May 23, 2014, 10:36
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for running a company into bankruptcy
That is not the crime Corzine committed nor is that a crime per se.
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| 163 | Boldwin
ID: 164262222
Fri, May 23, 2014, 10:40
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That the media underperformed to the extent that you don't know what Corzine did...now that is criminal misconduct of the highest order.
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| 164 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Fri, May 23, 2014, 11:05
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159 I know it has a small effect, but I just want to remind you all of my recommendation of doing away with the itemized deduction. We could do it slowly by increasing the standard deduction over lets say 10 years.
People could still donate, but they wouldnt promote their politics at the expense of the taxpayer.
One man, one vote.
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| 165 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Fri, May 23, 2014, 11:06
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164 and expensing organizational donations should be outlawed as well.
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| 166 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Fri, May 23, 2014, 11:25
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159 As to D'Souza's crime and punishment. Brilliant man, I have seen him on talk shows, many interesting ideas.
Perfect guy to make an example of. Highly visible. Sends a message to other law breaking conspirators that it will not be tolerated.
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| 167 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Fri, May 23, 2014, 11:38
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159 It should be law that internet donations may only come from verified US citizens, and we should do a better job of tying documentation of donations to IRS databases, hows that?
How would you control all anonymous donations?
$5 donations is the issue? Or is it millions of those donations that is an issue? Or is it just that Obama is getting donations and some Republican isnt?
Proportionality is the word you used am I mistaken? If you were king for a day, how would you handle it?
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| 168 | Boldwin
ID: 164262222
Fri, May 23, 2014, 11:48
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There is a system in place. Romney had no problem disallowing foreign donors. Obama's website was deliberately designed NOT to disallow them. Democrat presidential candidates take them in by the shipping container from China, Indonesia, wherever they happen to come from.
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| 169 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Fri, May 23, 2014, 11:57
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168 Deliberately is the operative word. If it can be proven, then we have a real issue.
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| 170 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Fri, May 23, 2014, 12:33
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Boldy,
Why does the victim of a bully run to his big brother? Why does the victim get a big dog or join a gang if they dont have a big brother?
Why does the wimp go work out? Why do NRA members want to keep their guns?
These are questions you should have already known the answer to, but we'll wait for you to catch up. Thank god for public education Boldy, or I wouldnt have any chance to tell you what I think. Thank a teacher.
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| 171 | Boldwin
ID: 23430254
Sun, May 25, 2014, 17:39
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Washington Redskins drop 'Washington' from their name as offensive to most Americans - The People's Cube
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| 172 | Boldwin
ID: 14572611
Mon, May 26, 2014, 16:09
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Here is what you get when you spend decades thotlessly dismissing the majority opinion as something only racist nutters would embrace.
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| 173 | Perm Dude
ID: 431013412
Mon, May 26, 2014, 23:33
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UKIP won 27.5% of the vote...
Only among Right Wing Americans is 27.5% a majority.
Math? Who needs it?
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| 174 | Boldwin
ID: 114512621
Mon, May 26, 2014, 23:54
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Do you understand the parliamentary form of government?
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| 175 | Boldwin
ID: 114512621
Tue, May 27, 2014, 00:05
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Before the election just saying this got you dismissed out of hand as a racist.
I just can't get enuff you-tube watching those BBC/Guardian/Tory/Labor prigs backing away from their previous statements calling every UKIP supporter a racist.
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| 176 | Boldwin
ID: 14532818
Thu, May 29, 2014, 15:12
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For some reason I will never understand, they put Skooter Libby in prison over Plame.
Can someone explain why exposing the CIA station chief is on the otherhand just a big shoulder shrug?
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| 178 | Gator
ID: 19323103
Sat, Jun 07, 2014, 09:40
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Boldwin,I cannot understand how the left can justify Scooter Libby. They will fight for a pedophile's rights with the ACLU, but if your views are to the right of them "Off with their heads!"
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| 179 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Sat, Jun 07, 2014, 09:52
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If you want to stay out of jail, stay out of politics
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| 180 | Boldwin
ID: 50546712
Sat, Jun 07, 2014, 13:57
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You are fine with one party literally free to break any law without penalties and their opposition being checked off the enemies list one ruined life at a time?
If you believe that you have never been an American.
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| 181 | bibA
ID: 204511510
Sat, Jun 07, 2014, 14:35
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180 - Who is that addressed to? Who is this "you"?
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| 182 | Boldwin
ID: 50546712
Sat, Jun 07, 2014, 15:02
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Directed at #179, but if the shoe fits...
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| 183 | Bean
ID: 5292191
Sat, Jun 07, 2014, 15:50
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Those in power prosecute those who are not for their crimes. That's not subject to debate it is a historical fact. Read a book or two.
Pardoning people for their crimes also happens all the time. It's usually with political strings attached. What did happen with Nixon and this Libby guy anyway?
Couple these indisputable facts with my, albeit cynical, perspective that those who go into politics only do so to steal. Throw in a pinch of "if you cant do the time dont do the crime".
You get: "If you want to stay out of jail, stay out of politics"
So, I stand by my statement.
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| 184 | Boldwin
ID: 50546712
Sun, Jun 08, 2014, 15:04
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Ok, tell me you think Americans should stand for it if that is Nixon's excuse.
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| 185 | Boldwin
ID: 1455124
Tue, Jun 02, 2015, 05:51
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Holiday from historical pattern is over for Jews. Back to endemic ubiquitous persecution.
It's a shame.
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| 186 | Bean
ID: 14147911
Tue, Jun 02, 2015, 14:52
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We all have our crosses to bear...quit whining and get back in line
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| 187 | Boldwin
ID: 49572022
Sat, Jul 04, 2015, 00:57
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Why libs can't accept a world without perpetual racial strife in it.
Why evidence doesn't phase them.
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