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Subject: Religious Freedom Laws Posted by: Frick - [17640169] Wed, Apr 01, 2015, 09:23 I'm an Indiana resident, so the outcry nationally and in Indiana is embarrassing. I just heard that Arkansas passed a similar law, considering the outcry that has resulted, I thought I would start a thread. Due to all of the backlash Indiana's Governor is saying he will fix the bill. While I would rather see it repealed, I read a very compelling argument of why the bill is needed, provided it is amended appropriately. Namely, making LBGT a protected class. Thankfully, there are some cities in Indiana which already have that protection locally, but sadly, those cities are in the minority. What saddens me more is knowing that the majority of people who voted for this law will be likely be easily re-elected. | |||||||
| 51 | Boldwin ID: 112382716 Sat, Apr 04, 2015, 10:19 |
How is my not allowing myself to be hired out to further the gay agenda, restricting anyone's actions? I'm not forcing myself down their throat, the other way around. They are forcing themselves on people of conscience. | ||||||
| 52 | sarge33rd ID: 390471112 Sat, Apr 04, 2015, 10:20 | Marriage, was never about anything BUT sharing resources. What do you think a dowry was for? | ||||||
| 53 | Bean ID: 14147911 Sat, Apr 04, 2015, 10:26 | Why does a dog hump on human legs? How do you teach him not to? | ||||||
| 54 | Bean ID: 14147911 Sat, Apr 04, 2015, 10:33 |
<52> Marriage of one man to one woman is about soooo much more than just sharing resources between two people. Its about social order, its why polygamy is illegal in Christian society. If one man is allowed to do all the procreation in the tribe, the other men will not help defend the tribe and will no doubt revolt. Adultery is a big deal in primitive cultures and is underplayed in ours. Its this marriage of one man to one woman concept that has kept Christian society rolling along for so long. Our laws around marriage are so much more primal than you realize. | ||||||
| 55 | Boldwin ID: 112382716 Sat, Apr 04, 2015, 10:35 |
Homosexuality comes about when the normal socialization of children with people of the same sex is delayed, 'arrested' past the normal time, and on past puberty where normal healthy affinity then gets mixed up with sexuality. Homosexuality comes about when people cannot come to acceptable terms with their upbringing and their fathers in particular, and thus cannot form healthy normal relationships with men. Homosexuality is blooming because healthy families have been under relentless attack by cultural leaders for an entire lifetime. Healthy families have become the exception. Homsexuality has bloomed because men have withdrawn from their proper role in the family. And are no longer role models. Feminists have derided and pushed them out. The culture has painted them as the villain. The courts have treated them as the enemy. Men are withdrawing from the culture and retreating into selfish loner lives. Men who were taught 'anything goes' in their developing years, sometimes act accordingly. The family devastation that follows screws up child's lives including their sexual development. | ||||||
| 56 | Boldwin ID: 112382716 Sat, Apr 04, 2015, 10:46 |
And the irresponsible libertine male gets so much out of the zeitgeist. It's not women who benefit. Women agree to meaningless frequent sex. Agree to be treated like disposable tissue paper. Agree to murder their inconvenient babies. It started at @1% but who knows? Maybe someday 10% of the male competition will opt out of the competition for nubile females. Women can't find a decent man anywhere, so they give up trying and waiting for Mr Right and screw Mr Today instead and just raise their kids alone. What's not to love from the viewpoint of the male slut? There is the real war on women. | ||||||
| 57 | Boldwin ID: 112382716 Sat, Apr 04, 2015, 16:40 |
Adlai Stevenson famously offered this definition: “A free society is a society where it is safe to be unpopular.” We do not live in that society. Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/416307/war-private-mind-kevin-d-williamson | ||||||
| 58 | biliruben ID: 39256112 Sat, Apr 04, 2015, 17:14 |
Safe? Safe!? Dude, we live in a society where people feel it's okay to beat the crap out of and kill people who look gay. Even here in Seattle. I don't recall a lot of Christian's being targeted for beat-downs by gangs of roving thugs in this country. Your a bigoted prick, and there may be consequences to your business or corporation if you demonstrate you a bigoted prick. Free market at work. No special rights for bigoted pricks. | ||||||
| 59 | Boldwin ID: 112382716 Sat, Apr 04, 2015, 17:57 |
I don't recall a lot of Christian's being targeted for beat-downs by gangs of roving thugs in this country. He says after having mau-mau'd every other regular posting conservative out of this forum with uncivil treatment. | ||||||
| 60 | Mith ID: 231150292 Sat, Apr 04, 2015, 18:03 | If you have to equate getting mau-mau'd (?) at the Rotoguru Politics Forum with beatings from gangs of thugs out looking for queers to stomp, you have surrendered the point. | ||||||
| 61 | Boldwin ID: 112382716 Sat, Apr 04, 2015, 18:15 | Has it ever occurred to you guys that you are less the noble human rights advocates than you are just people who like to gang up on the outnumbered and unpopular? | ||||||
| 62 | Mith ID: 231150292 Sat, Apr 04, 2015, 18:19 |
Is that what you think post 60 is? I'm not allowed to challenge you because your bigoted opinions are unpopular? | ||||||
| 63 | Boldwin ID: 112382716 Sat, Apr 04, 2015, 18:21 |
This is the way these fascists act when they still can't win in the ballot box and have to get their way thru activist judges. Imagine their fascist excesses when they ever get in the majority. I can't stand bullies. | ||||||
| 65 | Mith ID: 231150292 Sat, Apr 04, 2015, 18:27 |
I'll bow out of this discussion then. I don't want to be responsible for any fragile little snowflakes feeling bullied. And I don't think the anti-bigotry set here at RG needs any help from me knocking your homophobic softball arguments over the wall. Go easy on him guys. There's a sensitive little flower behind all that vapid hate that he calls God's word. | ||||||
| 66 | Boldwin ID: 112382716 Sat, Apr 04, 2015, 18:31 | Evil peddles tolerance until it is dominant, then seeks to silence good. | ||||||
| 67 | Mith ID: 231150292 Sat, Apr 04, 2015, 18:33 | Well consider me silenced on this topic. | ||||||
| 68 | Bean ID: 14147911 Sat, Apr 04, 2015, 19:37 |
The real difficulty is with dealing with this "pluralistic" issue is that both sides feel like they are the victims. Intelligent uninvested people will see both sides of the argument as valid. However, I think finding someone who isnt invested in some way on this issue will be difficult. Legal momentum seems to be swinging toward favoring gay partnerships over "family values". Some things simply can not be legislated to a "fair" conclusion for all with a simply formula for right and wrong. If they could, there would be no need for judges, juries, or voting on issues. There is simply opinion, and in our society, majority rule is a key guiding principle. The liberal acceptance of divorce and extramarital affairs in our culture began the slow demise of the very building blocks of our society that we all took for granted. Though we may have benefited in some way from sexual freedom, the price has been paid by the children of broken homes and young women with children. Look, I am far from being a prude, I was a merchant seaman after all. However, the effects of sexual freedom on our society are undeniable. What's next? The sexual encounters with werewolves and zombies that are being proliferated in cinema and television...leads to necrophilia and beastiality? Hell, we are already a society that appears to cherish animal rights over human rights. So, dont laugh. Anyway kids, its your world to screw up. Just dont whine that you were too naive to understand what you were doing. You've been told. | ||||||
| 69 | biliruben ID: 105572020 Sat, Apr 04, 2015, 20:37 |
Divorce rates have been falling for decades. I was a the toddler during the free love era. Not that I didn't get some action. I don't know what you freaky fogies are talking about. | ||||||
| 70 | Bean ID: 14147911 Sat, Apr 04, 2015, 21:11 |
Pure divorce rate numbers fail to tell the story bili. Here's one take on it | ||||||
| 71 | Boldwin ID: 112382716 Sun, Apr 05, 2015, 05:56 |
I told you so. Logic told you it was just about equality and just being good-natured towards all. Knowledge told you differently. Not when you are dealing with totalitarians. | ||||||
| 72 | Boldwin ID: 112382716 Sun, Apr 05, 2015, 06:00 |
When you give people the benefit of the doubt, the likelihood that you'll be hurt or taken advantage of greatly increases. Still, it's what I try to do because it's how I'd like to be treated. | ||||||
| 73 | Boldwin ID: 112382716 Sun, Apr 05, 2015, 08:31 |
HANS FIENE: Gay Marriage Isn’t About Justice, It’s About Selma Envy: My generation willfully ignores the real debate about gay rights and religious freedom because we want halos without sacrifice. | ||||||
| 74 | sarge33rd ID: 390471112 Sun, Apr 05, 2015, 21:53 | I still have a $500 donation to RG ready, soon as we get an iggy button. | ||||||
| 75 | sarge33rd ID: 390471112 Sun, Apr 05, 2015, 21:55 | and FTR, yes, I am sure there are those who would iggy me. lol Thats fine. | ||||||
| 76 | Boldwin ID: 112382716 Mon, Apr 13, 2015, 06:44 |
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| 77 | Bean ID: 14147911 Mon, Apr 13, 2015, 13:45 |
My brother has long been a fan of Jerry Springer, and while at the NCAA games with him, I found out that he regularly views Maury Povich. For the uninitiated, it seems that Maury has made a show out of DNA testing for paternity. Naturally while watching the show, we got into a discussion about the law and the implications of DNA testing on child support liability. My old buddy and my brother told me that the state of law enforcement active in Ohio and Nevada today is that social services asks ADC recipients to name the father and the naming alone allows them to begin child support garnishment. It is up to the accused father to prove he is not if he wants to avoid liability. I have no idea how other states including my own (CO) deal with this. Paternity and cuckoldom was always a lively subject during my college days, as we all watched our buddies' lives unfold like a good Maury Povich show. I remember back in the day, before DNA testing, there used to be a rule whereby you could get five of your buddies to say they had sex with the girl in front of a judge to avoid the liability. However, I dont recall anyone trying to test that urban legend. Thoughts? | ||||||
| 78 | Boldwin ID: 112382716 Mon, Apr 13, 2015, 14:34 | Wow, those are 5 standup buds! | ||||||
| 79 | Bean ID: 14147911 Mon, Apr 13, 2015, 15:09 | Miss the good ol days with shot gun weddings? | ||||||
| 80 | Bean ID: 14147911 Mon, Apr 13, 2015, 15:45 |
Just aint like it used to be. Sex in the 21st Century. This excerpt from a recent article: It all started on the evening of Wednesday, April 8th, when a 24-year-old man went to an address on Tarson Terrace to meet a woman he had “met” on Facebook. When he arrived at the address, though, the woman he was meeting wasn’t alone. Two men confronted him when he entered her apartment, stealing his wallet, money and cell phone. All three suspects fled the scene. Can't a brother just get a plain old booty call any more? All I can say is "pimpin' aint easy". | ||||||
| 81 | Perm Dude ID: 431013412 Tue, Apr 14, 2015, 12:11 | Used to be Craigslist was the place to go to if you wanted to get rolled. Now, everywhere. | ||||||
| 82 | Boldwin ID: 112382716 Tue, Apr 14, 2015, 14:49 | Let's hear a rotoguru stat guru explain the effect it's had on prostitution pricing. | ||||||
| 83 | Boldwin ID: 112382716 Sun, Apr 26, 2015, 20:09 |
DOJ 'Monitoring' Woman Who Banned Muslims From Her Shooting Range The Koran (which I have read and studied thoroughly) and (which all muslims align themselves with), contains 109 verses commanding hate, murder and terror against all human beings who refuse to submit or convert to Islam.Two pressure cookers, Mrs Tsarnaeva? | ||||||
| 84 | Boldwin ID: 112382716 Sun, Apr 26, 2015, 20:10 | The Constitution is not a suicide pact. | ||||||
| 85 | sarge33rd ID: 390471112 Sun, Apr 26, 2015, 22:18 | 109 such verses in the Koran? And how many in the Bible Boldwin? | ||||||
| 86 | Boldwin ID: 112382716 Sun, Apr 26, 2015, 22:57 |
Put down your swords, he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword. You'd know that if you spent less time pretending to be a christian and any time reading the Bible. | ||||||
| 87 | Khahan ID: 54152322 Sat, Jun 06, 2015, 23:49 | Leave it Jean-Luc Picard to say it best. | ||||||
| 88 | Perm Dude ID: 431013412 Fri, Jun 19, 2015, 12:52 |
I agree with him. The line that was crossed was requiring the bakery to participate in speech with which they disagreed. He is not saying that the bakery shouldn't have to make a cake for a gay person. He's saying they shouldn't be forced to participate in a form of speech with which they disagree. | ||||||
| 89 | biliruben ID: 137281811 Mon, Sep 14, 2015, 15:02 |
And second, we have this category of “our Christian values” that appears to be, on closer inspection, devoid of content and substance. It’s an ornate treasure chest with nothing inside. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2015/09/12/protecting-our-christian-values/ | ||||||
| 90 | Boldwin ID: 2711516 Sat, Sep 26, 2015, 23:29 | Leave it to liberals to rationalize letting the government make religious judgements and religious edicts. | ||||||
| 91 | Boldwin ID: 2711516 Sat, Sep 26, 2015, 23:35 |
PD Making a celebration cake or a photo celebration IS the speech being coerced. No business is telling gays they can't buy a generic cake or a generic empty photo album or a generic pizza. | ||||||
| 92 | Boldwin ID: 2711516 Sat, Sep 26, 2015, 23:37 |
There is no valid analogy with blacks at the lunch counter. No mater how badly you want to wrap yourself in that flag. | ||||||
| 93 | Tree ID: 161036918 Wed, Sep 30, 2015, 13:21 |
No business is telling gays they can't buy a generic cake or a generic empty photo album or a generic pizza. so, if they went to the same cake shop that refused to design a cake for them, and just ordered a plain cake, the cake shop would be ok with that? you're really not paying attention. | ||||||
| 94 | weykool ID: 472331022 Sun, Oct 04, 2015, 11:55 |
so, if they went to the same cake shop that refused to design a cake for them, and just ordered a plain cake, the cake shop would be ok with that? Absolutely. | ||||||
| 95 | Tree ID: 161036918 Sun, Oct 04, 2015, 18:59 | you don't honestly believe that, do you? | ||||||
| 96 | weykool ID: 472331022 Sun, Oct 04, 2015, 21:48 |
That's what absolutely means. | ||||||
| 97 | Tree ID: 161036918 Mon, Oct 05, 2015, 08:26 | so they'd bake a plain cake for a gay wedding, but not a decorated cake? | ||||||
| 98 | weykool ID: 472331022 Mon, Oct 05, 2015, 10:03 |
What is so hard to comprehend here? Do you understand the difference between discriminating against an event and exercising your right to free speech and the freedom OF religion vs discriminating against people? Imagine a skinhead walks into a Jewish bakery and orders a birthday cake and a couple of pastries. Would you agree that to refuse them services is discrimination? Now imagine that same skinhead walks in and orders a birthday cake that is to celebrate Hitler's birthday complete with swastikas. Would you really force them to make the cake in violation to their free speech and religious freedom rights? | ||||||
| 99 | Tree ID: 161036918 Mon, Oct 05, 2015, 10:14 |
Imagine a skinhead walks into a Jewish bakery and orders a birthday cake and a couple of pastries. Would you agree that to refuse them services is discrimination? Now imagine that same skinhead walks in and orders a birthday cake that is to celebrate Hitler's birthday complete with swastikas. Would you really force them to make the cake in violation to their free speech and religious freedom rights? i'm jewish. i'm not a jewish baker. but if i were a jewish baker, and some jackwad skin head wanted to give me his hard-earned money, i'd consider that a big victory. i suppose if i didn't want to bake you a cake with decorations because you were polka-dotted, i wouldn't want to bake you a cake without decorations either, for the same reason. i see flawed logic in your presentation. | ||||||
| 100 | weykool ID: 472331022 Mon, Oct 05, 2015, 11:08 |
The only flaw in my logic is your failure to understand it. Please read again...I never said anything about YOU being a baker. Its not a matter of what YOU would do its a matter of if You agree or disagree with the rights of others. | ||||||
| 101 | Boldwin ID: 2711516 Wed, Oct 07, 2015, 03:43 |
so they'd bake a plain cake for a gay wedding, but not a decorated cake? They would make and already do make regular cakes for all their customers. Just don't come in and demand the owners celebrate a gay wedding. | ||||||
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