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Subject: Gurupie 24 2007 Season Discussion

  Posted by: Ref - Donor [539581218] Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 15:47
Waivers have been turned on and our season is officially underway. The order can be found on your team's add/drop page and it reflects the same base order as the draft.

Below are the threads from the Leagues Forum pertaining to our drafts:

Supplemental Draft Thread

Supp Draft Discussion

Supp Draft Recap

IDP Draft

IDP Draft Discussion

IDP Draft Recap
 
1Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Fri, Aug 31, 2007, 16:06 		Several things to discuss concerning the league this year. First, the Flex DB-LB-DL posiiton is still not working in live scoring. CBS has not responded to my latest inquiry about it.

Some new things and some reminders...

Our first waiver run will be processed Sunday morning. Hopefully there will be news before then on players so this process is needed before it's first come-first serve.

Be sure to take care of the league fees with StL Cards.

I have made all the lineups in the league legal. for this weekend's live scoring trial. Check your scores. As far as I can see the only goof up is the flex position which scores zero still.

There is a ONE FULL DAY (one plus days) for players to go throuh waivers.

New this year: You may pickup players and even make trades after the Thursday games. Players who have already played MAY NOT be picked up nor be included in any trades. The freeze for all pickups/trade approvals is still prior to 5 mins before 1st game on Sunday. As always you can activate/reserve/change positions any player who hasn't been frozen for that week. Trade deadline is prior to the 1st game of Week 13. It used to be the night before but we've extended beginning last year because of the Thurs. night game. This goes for all players--not just players playing that night. Make sure you give us time to see it and approve it in time!!!

Pick-ems is a fun little game we've been playing for three years now. Skinneej has won or won a share two our of the three years and is the master. You can chose to play or nt to play any year. If you want to compete for the pot--just add an extra buck to your league fees. You are still invited to play regardless. New this year: We drop the low week and we will play all 16 weeks. That means those consolation games could even be critical for this game as well. Remember you are predicting the winners of OUR GAMES not the NFL games and this year will be a lot more games as there are Double Headers.
 
2Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sat, Sep 01, 2007, 10:44 		CBS has a bunch of morons running it. Am going to have to find a phone number to talk to someone's boss.
 
3Slizz
      ID: 2574307
      Sat, Sep 01, 2007, 21:57 		Anybody surprised by the NFL final cuts??

The one that made me mad was Kenneth Darby! I was b/w him and Dwayne Wright for my pick in the 5th round...and of course they cut Darby! Doh!

Also, I was surprised to see DeDe Dorsey released by the Colts. I dont even know who is going to backup Addai now...
 
4Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Sat, Sep 01, 2007, 22:35 		Anybody surprised by the NFL final cuts??


Aaron Glenn, maybe. Obviously, Byron Leftwich.

Donavan Darius was cut.

The Cards and Raiders both cut 2007 3rd round picks. Ouch!

The Bucs kept 4 Qbs - that was the biggest surprise to me.
 
5Slizz
      ID: 2574307
      Sun, Sep 02, 2007, 10:39 		...The Cards and Raiders both cut 2007 3rd round picks. Ouch!

Maybe thats a sign that those franchises finally turned the corner. I couldnt believe it when I saw buster davis was cut! The cardinals epitomize cheap (http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/91782 ~ you'll get a kick out of it), and still cut him even after they gave him a hefty signing bonus.

I'll tell you this about the raiders though...I think Lane Kiffin has them in the right direction and it wouldn't surprise me at all if they were near .500 this year.

As for the Bucs...i didnt understand how they kept luke mccown in addition to the rest. I thought for sure he was gone.
 
6Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sun, Sep 02, 2007, 11:11 		Simms should have been gone but they invested so much money in him they wanted to keep him.

Payne was given a guaranteed $600K just two weeks ago and he was cut. It's amazing how these pro teams can just throw around and waste all this money and continue to raise ticket prices.
 
7TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Sun, Sep 02, 2007, 15:03 		I was a little surprised that the Raiders cut Moses, Boothe, and Hawthorne. I really thought Brayton would be gone over Hawthorne. Boothe doesn't fit in the new blocking scheme, but I thought he would have value in trade. Somebody is going to pick him up and have a good offensive lineman coming off their bench and eventual starter. I'd heard good things about Moses from camp as far as his pass rushing skills, but I also heard he was a liability versus the run. Hopefully he will clear waivers and be added to the Raiders practice squad and can spend a year putting on some weight and learning better technique.
 
8Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Sep 03, 2007, 12:34 		CBS has a bunch of idiots in their employ. First their coders have a lot to learn about fantasy sports and their so called commishs are just dumb. Still trying to resolve the idp flex position which is still scoring 0 points. This latest guy (Matthew) just doesn't get it. I'm trying to get a phone number or David Gonos' new email address to try and get around these "commishs." If not, we're going to have to do something else. If that's the case, I think we ought to seriously consider looking at alternate sites next year.
 
9TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Mon, Sep 03, 2007, 12:54 		LOL, we say that every year. Fleaflicker has free leagues and boatloads of scoring options. We could also use the fanball commishioner like the RIFC does. Fanball has a nicer format.
 
10Promize
      ID: 55223275
      Mon, Sep 03, 2007, 18:50 		I'm starting to like Myfantasyleague.com
 
11TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Mon, Sep 03, 2007, 23:48 		We use that site to do our survivor league drafts. I would not be opposed to moving there or at least doing our drafts there. The nice thing about using that site would be the draft. It has a clock, list of players, queues, sends email updates.
 
12Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 16:55 		FTR, Just because I will go this season w/o a starting QB wasn't for a lack of trying. ANd who knows, Croyle may be starting before we know it.
 
13StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 17:55 		It appears we may have a resolution to the flex IDP problem as there is now a place to enter individual scoring for flex IDP. I entered the parameters and it appears to be working. They haven't yet answered my question about it so maybe they aren't done yet, unless they have answered ref.
 
14Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Sep 04, 2007, 18:30 		They never responded (nor called me like they promised yesterday) but I just tested the live scoring with their new coding and it works so we're back in business.
 
15Doug
      ID: 441251914
      Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 15:58 		Re:12... if I was in rebuilding mode, I wouldn't overpay just to "fill a slot" either. Don't sweat it... hopefully you get a reasonable offer, but if people trying to hold you over the coals then screw 'em. :)
 
16deepsnapper
      Leader
      ID: 017103420
      Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 17:56 		Yeah screw him, that's what I say Doug.
 
17TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 20:33 		I'm looking at the teams with back-up QB's who are starters and find it hard to imagine that you can't work a Berrian or Burress trade for a Pennington, Schaub, Losman, Roethlisberger, or Garrard.

Even tossing out Pennington and Garrard if you are worried about their future starter status, I'm looking at those three other teams and all could use a Berrian or Burress and each team is giving up value to get value. I know I'd do those deals if I was on either side of the trade offer.
 
18Slizz
      ID: 8859519
      Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 21:15 		I just think people want too much for too little. I wouldnt see why a team with excess QB's wouldnt do a deal like that either!
 
19Promize
      ID: 55223275
      Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 21:26 		Lets see....

I've had Rich Gannon.... Kurt Warner.... and someone else I can't recall... I'm very happy for holding on to two starting QB's for a change.

:)
 
20Perm Dude
      ID: 34811516
      Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 21:33 		I had two good starters last year, made what I thought was a decent trade moving one of them, and then had the other (Bledsoe) suddenly lose his job! I can understand the reticence of those with two starters.

That said, there certainly seems to be an opportunity here, and I threw Ref an offer myself.

pd
 
21Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 21:46 		If I had 2 starting QBs it would take a lot to get me to move one. I went a year without a QB. People wanted a starting RB fo their back-up QB.

Given QBs' propensity for injury in the NFL and the impossibilty of picking off a QB on waivers, I don't blame people for stashing them. I know more than a few people thought I was loopy to keep a guy who's currently a back-up, but I think he'll more keeper value to me than a 3rd WR or whatever.
 
22 StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 22:34 		Everyone should have received an email about league fees. If you did not receive one you need to email me asap.
 
23skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 23:03 		StlCards, consider us even on the league fees as I am going to opt out of the pickems this year. I want to give everyone else a chance anyway, and it will be hard for me to stay on top of things with my job sending me on the road for the next several months. I'll be checking in on my team, but with doubleheaders this year, it will take longer to really do it the way I am used to and keep it up. Plus, its about time I focus better on getting my team more wins. Who wants to be Pickems champ each year, yet always have the team that should have done better but never can get into the top 8?
 
24Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 23:21 		Re: 17

I've offered Burress. I've offered Bell. I've offered Burress and Bell. I've offered draft picks with offers. I've also included Battle and Shipp to some offers. It doesn't matter. Everyone value players differently. It's all good. Croyle will be the starter soon enough (from what I'm reading maybe as soon as the first few tough games are done with). Not mortgaging my entire future for a qb who is a rental. It takes two sides to agree to make a deal work. Just because one side thinks it's good doesn't mean it is. We all tend to overvalue our own players anyhow. It's all good. Most of the managers have been awesome to deal with and we've had a good time.
 
25Perm Dude
      ID: 34811516
      Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 23:30 		Is that a rejection of my offers, ref?
 
26Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 23:44 		PD, you should have an email.
 
27Perm Dude
      ID: 34811516
      Wed, Sep 05, 2007, 23:49 		Got one--didn't know about the others. "It's all good" though.
 
28Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Sep 06, 2007, 00:07 		Yeah I just read your email. Got a couple other emails too I'm trying to think through as well.
 
29TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Thu, Sep 06, 2007, 01:29 		Skinneej, that's like retiring undefeated. Nobody can win the belt that way.

StLCards, I sent some extra cash so I don't have to keep paying every season. If, skinneej wants to do pickems you can take the extra buck outta my stash (when the check gets there).


I'm glad to see all the replies to the trade talk. I think some people get so wrapped up in having a "keeper" they forget that the goal each year is to be the champion. Granted, it's better to do it in a manner where you can compete every season versus mortgage the future or tank for 3-4 years in a row, but I guarantee that 20 years from now there will be at least one team who has never won it all. More than likely there will be several teams who've never even made it to the big game. I bet they had some nice keepers along the way, though.

People do tend to over-value their own players or fall into the trap of trying to decide how much the other owner should value their players. I might have two solid QB's but that doesn't mean I'm going to give one away just because his only perceived value is my bye week replacement while a subpar RB might see a game or two for my roster. On the flip side, I wouldn't give away a promising RB/WR, especially one that's proven he is a top player, for a one year rental either.

Ref, not sure who you are offering Burress to or for which QB. Myself, I wouldn't trade a top 10-15 QB for any WR and maybe not even for any top RB (ok, maybe LT if I had another viable QB starter), but I would trade my second QB for a player if I thought that guy could round out my line-up and give me a shot at the championship.
 
30skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Thu, Sep 06, 2007, 08:59 		TB, yeah it's called going out on top. Ha! Thanks for the offer, but I am going to sit it out. Actually, I am seriously contemplating curbing alot of my fantasy activities over the rest of this year due to work, travel and just being a little burned out. Right now, I may forgo basketball altogether this year which is tough since I have two keeper leagues and two other very fun and competitive leagues. I love basketball, but it just takes too much time to continue being good at it. Football I can handle since I only have to check on my team once or twice a week so I plan to put all my efforts into making this team a winner.
 
31Great One
      Sustainer
      ID: 053272014
      Thu, Sep 06, 2007, 09:25 		I'll be winning Pick Ems this year. You can take that to the bank. I guarantee it. Like Mark Messier. 2SJ knew he couldn't beat me and thats why he's opting out! I almost won last year and I didn't know a thing about the league. Book it.
 
32Great One
      Sustainer
      ID: 053272014
      Thu, Sep 06, 2007, 09:28 		And 2SJ - did you know that Pluto is NOT a planet? and that 212 is now 718?! :)
 
33Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Sep 06, 2007, 10:57 		Re: 29 I'd trade anyone if I thought it gave me a chance at the championship...and I have. I've won this thing twice w/o a QB basically. I've never had a QB get through the season ever. Not sure I can win a game this year--even with a QB.

Remember you may add/drop/trade up until the Sunday freeze except those who play before then (this week it's Colts and Saints players). Opening night is tonight. Make sure your pick-ems are in. If you have a bad week or forget, we get to drop the low week this year.
 
34skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Thu, Sep 06, 2007, 11:00 		I hear you, GO. I got too big of a lead last year and nearly gave it away after some poor weeks towards the end. Good Luck in taking it all the way this year.

BTW, there is still discussion about Pluto and potentially another 9th "planet" so hopefully the J's will come back together to continue the fight for their existence.
 
35Perm Dude
      ID: 46827610
      Thu, Sep 06, 2007, 11:47 		Mailed the fee to you this morning, Cards.
 
36Toral
      ID: 47859610
      Thu, Sep 06, 2007, 12:08 		I am without regular access for an unknown amount of time, having neither my new internet access kit nor a dial tone.

I won't be able to check in from a few hours from now till...? I have set what I believe is a legal lineup. If fixing the flex system requires changing it, I will have to ask the commisshes to do it for me. It's clear whom I want to start.

Toral
 
37Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Sep 06, 2007, 12:17 		Toral, CBS just coded a separate setting for the flex db-lb-dl position and we have added our scoring system to that position so every thing is good. They figured out how to code the RB/WR/TE flex so it scores w/o a separate flex position code so don't know why they couldn't do the same--but as long as our system works and no one can start 5 RB/WR then we're satisfied. There won't be any chagnes moving forward as our testing proved that it is working properly.
 
38Toral
      ID: 47859610
      Thu, Sep 06, 2007, 12:19 		Good. Payment of league fees will have to wait until I can access Paypal, which could be tomorrow or two weeks from now as far as I can figure out.

Toral
 
39Slizz
      ID: 21733916
      Thu, Sep 06, 2007, 13:49 		Sleeper WR - Colts WR Anthony Gonzalez - Is the guy serious about football? Let's see, at Ohio State he slept in a tent that simulated low-oxygen conditions so he could improve his body's ability to function better when winded. That serious enough? Plus, the guy can catch.

Interesting tidbit from espn.com. Damn you SW! :)
 
40 beastiemiked
      ID: 65112917
      Thu, Sep 06, 2007, 14:36 		Stl, I never got one. I think I might be paid up from some previous year. Also, I will not be participating in pick'ems.
 
41StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Thu, Sep 06, 2007, 14:39 		You're good bad, I have money on file for you still.
 
42Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Sep 06, 2007, 15:23 		The Pinellas Park police department announced Thursday that DUI charges against Bucs WR David Boston will be pursued.

Police didn't release the results of Boston's urine sample (he passed his breathalyzer test), but it can be assumed that the results came back positive for an illegal substance. Boston was found asleep at the wheel of his car in the middle of the street with the engine running on August 23.
Source: Tampa Tribune
 
43smallwhirled
      ID: 2382115
      Thu, Sep 06, 2007, 16:00 		Slizz,

I saw the segment on Anthony Gonzalez on college gameday at some point during last season. Maybe it was during the ESPN Ohio State lovefest in the weeks leading up BCS championship game.

The tent was pretty sweet.
 
44Promize
      ID: 55223275
      Thu, Sep 06, 2007, 17:25 		Sleeper... Me!... I shall move back up to my fallen second place oh so many years ago...
 
45Slizz
      ID: 8859519
      Thu, Sep 06, 2007, 18:53 		What's everyones thoughts on Jesse Chatman in Miami?? Real Deal or Smokescreen?

Who is everyone's breakout player for week 1 too??? Someone flying under the radar who you think is poised to have a big game...like a Jacoby Jones type player...

VISANTHE SHIANCOE BABY!
 
46Perm Dude
      ID: 46827610
      Thu, Sep 06, 2007, 20:51 		Miami RB committee member Chatman? Against Washington he might do something, but I don't think he'll get a ton of touches right away.

Roddy White, in Atlanta, has some sleeper potential, particularly going against the Vikings this week.
 
47Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Sep 06, 2007, 21:48 		The IDP scoring is not showing up in live scoring. Odd as it was working last weekend.
 
48Great One
      ID: 201155199
      Thu, Sep 06, 2007, 22:24 		The way Addai went down on the first play, I had visions of planning for next season!
 
49StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Thu, Sep 06, 2007, 23:41 		I believe the live scoring problem is on a bigger scale than just our league. I do show pts for my LB int but no other stats are shown. If you look at the cbs scoreboard the 2 ints are the only defensive stats shown, so they must be having trouble with their stat feed. This is totally different than what we experienced before so it is very likely to be self correcting and work in the future.
 
50Perm Dude
      ID: 46827610
      Thu, Sep 06, 2007, 23:54 		It isn't uncommon for defensive stats to all be preliminary for a day after the game. For instance, Yahoo IDP stats are after zeroed out until the next day, and changes sometimes occur even two days later as tapes are reviewed. Tackles, for instance, are guesswork until the game is reviewed closely.

pd
 
51Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 00:11 		CBS had it right last week during the weekend games. I think Cards is right. Just not sure why the offensive players were fine.
 
52Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 11:32 		CBS jsut added tackles/ATK and FR today. Still no FF or PDs yet. Again it worked fine in the tested live scoring last week they had so we're pretty sure it's a stats feed problem. AOL for instance had a lot of errors as well (though did much better than CBS) and they don't have PDs credited that I can find yet either--though they do have FFs.

WW for participants of last night's games are working as promised. Anyone who played in yesterday who is unowned is on waivers until Wed. Looking at teams who own Colts/Saints players, there is a plus next to those players--meaning they cannot be dropped or included in any trades for the rest of the week.

A lot going on today but will try to get back to or counter any deals made to me today.
 
53Slizz
      ID: 21733916
      Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 13:36 		REPORT: TERRY GLENN OUT FOR SEASON by Michael David Smith

Yesterday the Dallas Cowboys' official web site had two conflicting reports about the health of wide receiver Terry Glenn. Today the report that owner/G.M. Jerry Jones said that Glenn would miss the entire season has been taken off the web site, while the report that Glenn's absence will be two weeks and possibly more is still there.

So does that mean the "out for the season" report was wrong and the "two weeks" report was right? Not according to Matt Mosley of the ESPN Hashmarks blog, who says Glenn will miss the year.

"Late Thursday night, a member of the organization told me Glenn was indeed finished for the season," Mosley writes, "but that the Cowboys decided (a little too late) to hold off on making the announcement."

Losing Glenn, who had surgery last month to have a cyst removed from his knee, would be a tough break for the Cowboys, who would likely move Patrick Crayton into the starting lineup across the field from Terrell Owens.

Ouch. Let the Miles Austin (NJ REPRESENT!) era begin!

Stinks for whoever traded or picked him up early on in drafts league-wide.
 
54beastiemiked
      ID: 65112917
      Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 16:24 		Latest News
Jaguars RB Fred Taylor has four career 100-yard rushing games vs. the Titans. Taylor needs 487 rush yards to become the 21st player in NFL history to reach 10,000 rush yards.

FANTASY ANALYSIS
Taylor is unlikely to reach the milestone this week, but he is a good start against Tennessee. Consider Taylor a good No. 2 Fantasy RB this week against the Titans.


I wish I could get paid to write blurbs.

 
55Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 17:26 		LMAO bmd!

Slizz I had read this morning that he would miss two weeks but I believe the whole year story based on what I read about how bad the knee swelled up after practice. I don't even know how much practice he got through.

Glad I passed on the trade offer to me for Glenn!
 
56TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Fri, Sep 07, 2007, 19:01 		I don't think I've ever drafted Terry Glenn in any league.

So which RB hits 10K faster, Taylor or Tomlinson?

Taylor needs 487 yards.
Tomlinson needs 824 yards.
Heck, Warrick Dunn only needs 539 yards.

Brett Favre is going to pass the rest of Marino's records this year.
He already passed his completions last season.
He needs 135 more pass attempts to tie.
He needs 6 more passing TDs to tie.
The biggie will be passing yards, but it's achievable at 3,861 yards to tie.

It wasn't long ago that Marino set the bar so high some of us thought they wouldn't be touched for a long time.

Some more records this season:
S. Alexander should become the 8th RB in NFL history to rush for more than 100 TD's.
Tomlinson needs 11 more rushing TD's to move into third all time and 24 to move into 2nd. That is an amazing feat in only his 7th season.

Marvin Harrison could reach 2nd all time in the major receiving categories.
- He needs 80 receptions this year to pass Tim Brown and Chris Carter for 2nd place behind Rice.
- He needs 8 TD's to catch Carter for 2nd place.
- He needs 1237 yards to catch Tim Brown for 2nd, but only 307 more yards to pass Ellard, Carter and Lofton to move into 3rd and become the 4th WR in history to surpass 14K yards.

- Isaac Bruce needs 674 yards to hit 14K yards.
 
57StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 00:05 		Colts and Bills agree to a trade:
Mike Bell + 8th round pick next year for Brett Favre + 3rd round pick next year.
 
58Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 14:50 		LOL.

All that talk about how hard it is to acquire a QB and then we see a starting QB go for a BACKUP FULLBACK.

Nevermind.
 
59Doug
      ID: 441251914
      Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 16:43 		Come on... Mike Bell has definitely taken a hit the last few weeks, BUT we've still seen what he can do and we all know there's some long-term upside there... "backup fullback" doesn't nearly tell the whole story with him.

Favre's shelf life is pretty limited, this might only be a one-season replacement for him.

And the 3rd round pick next year is more like a 2nd rounder this year (since we've added 4 active players but only 1 keeper to each squad). This trade makes sense IMHO.
 
60Great One
      ID: 201155199
      Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 17:04 		Yeah, this is Denver, Mike Bell backup FB one week, starting RB the next. No telling what Shanahan is gonna do from to week to week.

I'd be willing to bet he gets some starts before this season is through.
 
61Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 17:10 		Heh...Damned if do and damned if I don't.

Gave up a 3rd when I'm trying to rebuild for a one year rental for the good of the league so I could squeeze out every point I can to pose a potential upset if everything worked ot right.

There were two managers who thought the offer for Bell to their starting QB (rental) was a fair offer in itself, but the Shanahan issue gave them pause (with good reason). I had no intention of giving up a draft pick for a rental--let a lone for a player who could have longer-term implications. If I beat someone because of the QB then its good for the league, but not really good for me as my wins should be few and far between. I worked hard to potentially lose draft position and ultimately hurt my team for next year while my trading partner uses Jackson anyhow...has Clemens for long term AND gets value for somoene who is worthless next year. Not to mention what Bell could do. With Shanahan you never know. Bell was my last piece of that Tiki trade.

These IDP stats differ immenslefy from AOL to CBS. I got a feeling there could be a few people who go to bed Monday winning their game(s) and get up Tuesday with (a) loss(es). At least CBS is posting them real-time now.
 
62Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 17:27 		IDPs could really shake some things up this year. A couple of mine are doing so well that I'm actually in the game on one of my matchups. AOL scoring disagrees with both of their stats though.
 
63Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sun, Sep 09, 2007, 19:35 		AOL just chagned their stats to the same thing as CBS already had forthe two IDP guys. That gives me more faith in CBS at least.
 
64Slizz
      ID: 21733916
      Mon, Sep 10, 2007, 10:02 		I love the IDP's stats in our league! I think its definitely fair to the players drafting later in the supplemental b/c you can lockup elite young talent on either side instead of having to hope you hit the lottery (Peterson/CJ/Lynch) and get a starting rookie.

Week 1 Biggest Surprise - Chris Brown
Week 1 Biggest Disappointment - Saints Offense
Week 1 MVP - Plaxico Burress
Losing Ground - Bears Defense (lost Mike Brown & Dusty Dvoracek for what looks like the season)
Picking up the Pace - Titans Defense, showed no signs of slowing down without our MVP: Pacman Jones.
 
65Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Sep 10, 2007, 13:08 		My team did much much much better than expected.

The Titans D was the 3rd to last D picked I believe late in the 4th round. Crosby was taken late in the final round. The Titans D lost 4 points overnight and put a dmaper on my 2nd upset but it's still possible. Need Clements to go nuts though and Rackers to be inaaccurate on the chances he does get.

Plax is my best player. Berrian should be studly as well. The rest of my team will be a crapshoot from week to week. Gonzo should be great esp. with the QBs in KC this year. Tenn D facing Indy next week so won't expect much from my Ds. Still shocked at well my team did this week--though still likely to be 1-1.
 
66Doug
      ID: 441251914
      Mon, Sep 10, 2007, 17:19 		If I can get 2.1 points out of Steven Jackson and still wind up with the high score of the week, I'll be a happy camper. :p
 
67Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Sep 10, 2007, 20:29 		David Boston was found to be under the influence of GHB when he fell asleep behind the wheel of his SUV in the middle of the street last month.

Gamma hydroxybutyrate is used as a sedative and for body building, and is also known as "liquid ecstasy," "soap," and "Georgia home boy." Boston will now go to trial on charges of misdemeanor driving under the influence.
Source: St. Petersburg Times

Pete, you sure can pick'em.
 
68Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 10:36 		I've sent yet another note into CBS. They don't have any of the distances on teh missed field goals for some reason and they are all coming up -3 despite the distance missed. First time in 6 years so that will change some scoring. We also have to go in and manually subtract any negative yards (they automatically include -1 yds but can't figure out how to code for multiple neg. yds). Lots of close games so the MFG could be huge.

I hate leaving wins on the bench. If I had started the right combination I'd have gotten another W. Rather get blown out!
 
69Slizz
      ID: 21733916
      Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 13:03 		Your daily Charlie Frye update:

POSTED 11:48 a.m. EDT, September 11, 2007
FRYE TRADED

WTAM radio in Cleveland reports that the Browns have traded quarterback Charlie Frye to an unnamed team.

Because WTAM is the Browns' flagship radio station, the news is being regarded in media circles are legit. Per WTAM, Frye is being traded to make room for Ken Dorsey.

Earlier on Tuesday, a league source told us that Frye was "definitely not out" in Cleveland. Apparently, "definitely" doesn't mean what our source thought it meant.

POSTED 12:20 p.m. EDT, September 10, 2007
NO FRYE TRADE YET

WTAM has altered its report regarding Browns quarterback Charlie Frye. Earlier in the day, WTAM reported that Frye has been traded to an unnamed team. Now, WTAM reports that the Browns are merely trying to trade Frye.

Per the new report, Frye will be cut if he's not traded.

The speed with which Frye has gone from starter to reject highlights, in our view, the pressure that coach Romeo Crennel and G.M. Phil Savage are facing. Frye didn't even get a full half to prove himself.

Our guess is that the Browns initially floated the "Charlie is already traded" story in the hopes of smoking an interested suitor out of the weeds. Apparently, it didn't work.

Frye, a third-round draft pick in 2005, generated plenty of hype as a rookie. But his performance never matched the perceived potential.

He is signed through 2008, at salaries of $435,000 in 2007 and $465,000 in 2008. Since he is not a vested veteran, he can be released without the Browns potentially owing him the rest of his 2007 base pay.
 
70Perm Dude
      ID: 58846119
      Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 13:10 		As usual, the Browns have no idea what they are doing.
 
71Great One
      Sustainer
      ID: 053272014
      Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 13:18 		Thats up there with the Vikings not having draft picks ready when they were on the clock.
 
72Slizz
      ID: 21733916
      Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 13:47 		I dont know...Oakland's front office was pretty bad this year in how they handled their personnell.

1st round pick JaMarcus Russell unsigned and 3rd round pick (1st overall) Quentin Moses cut due to an "administrative error". Thats pretty bad...

Sorry GO, but I'm gonna throw Tangini (Tannenbaum & Mangini) under the bus. The Jets front office arrogance has to be up there too. First the absolutely unecessary holdout of Darelle Revis due to Tannebaum's demand that he signs a 6th year and refuses to pay him as such. Also, their refusal to adjust LG Pete Kendalls contract to reflect his market value in light of the ridiculous money paid to Dockery, Steinbach & Co. Now they have to make chicken salad out of chicken shit at the left guard spot! Thats one big reason why TJ couldnt do anything vs the Pats...WITHOUT SEYMOUR & HARRISON!

As for the Browns, Romeo Crenell needs to go. He is just not that good of a head coach.

From Peter Kings MMQB:
Cleveland's first series Sunday: Jamal Lewis for 2, Frye incomplete pass, Frye sacked, new punter Paul Ernster fumbles the punt snap and gets off a wobbly 15-yarder. On fourth down, Cleveland had three penalties declined -- a hold, an illegal formation and ineligible receiver downfield.

I mean c'mon, that is just terrible. He has to go...there is no excuses for that level of incompetence. Regardless if the Browns (Cowboys) pick #1 overall next season, they made the right move in getting Brady Quinn. Thats about the only positive thing I can say.
 
73Perm Dude
      ID: 58846119
      Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 13:55 		Oakland is certainly having problems as well. What's with cutting a perfectly good (and cheap) WR in Gabriel?
 
74beastiemiked
      ID: 65112917
      Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 15:11 		I swear my team luckboxes so many wins these past 3 years that I've managed it.
 
75Great One
      Sustainer
      ID: 053272014
      Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 16:00 		The Kendall situation will lead to Pennington getting injured. I think we can all agree with that. It almost already happened. Maybe TanGini secretly hope thats the case and are looking for a backdoor way to put Clemens in there. Maybe they were piping in the cheers when Pennington went down on Sunday!
 
76Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 18:02 		I adjusted my team and TB's team due to multiple negative yards as always.

Some of the scores still are not right. If your matchup had a Missed Feild Goal, CBS has still not responded. I can manually go through and adjust them but if they fix it later, it will be messed up again so am waiting...for now.
 
77StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 18:30 		Looks like they have fixed it now.
 
78TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 19:30 		Anyone who even remotely believed that Quentin Moses was cut due to an "administrative error" just doesn't have their head on straight. Honestly, what team has an assistant put the list together and just fax it over? That was a dumb rumor that surprisingly was eaten up by many gullible people. I'm guessing it's all done via email anyway, but c'mon. I saw the interview with Kiffin right after the cuts were announced and he talked about why they cut Moses. We've seen several third round picks from last year and the year before cut just before this season started. I'm glad they cut their losses now. Clemons had a pretty good game and I think he showed how he could be effective versus both the run and the pass. If anything, Oakland's mistake was in drafting Moses that high.

Gabriel sometimes had hands of stone and he had a crappy attitude. The two reasons Oakland picked him back up after NE waived him last year (after Oakland had already traded him) were 1) Porter drama and other wr injuries and 2) They were going top be out his pro-rated salary anyway. Again, if he couldn't stick with NE and their WR problems from last year that should say something. I think Buchanon, McFoy, and Morant had Gabs beat this year and they were each cut as well.
 
79Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 21:16 		Re: 77 agreed

Scores appear to be final now.
 
80Slizz
      ID: 398161117
      Tue, Sep 11, 2007, 23:25 		RE: 78

*laughs* I think we got a little too defensive of the raiders buddy. I just was merely pointing out the fact that the way the front office handled the draft was a complete and utter mess!!! Consider that their first round pick was unsigned going into the regular season combined with the fact that they cut a guy they drafted so high in Moses. Rookies drafted at that position are expected to contribute and possibly start their first year!

I think thats safe to say that it was a piss poor job of handling the rookies no matter how you cut it. period.
 
81TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 00:05 		Maybe if I get time this weekend I will do a "where are they now" for all the third round picks for the last three years. I'm sure, as you suggest, that most of them are starting for NFL teams, all except for the one Arizona cut this year and the one we signed to our practice squad that St. Louis drafted last year.

I'll agree that they did not handle Russell like they should have. I got poop from an "insider" the night before the draft that we had agreed to a contract with Russell. This is the same person who told us (Raider fans insider board) that Zach Miller would be our 2nd round pick and who has been on the money a lot over the years. Imagine my surprise when he was still holding out. I didn't expect Russell to start this year and certainly not in week one, but yes it could have been handled better and I would have preferred he got a full camp.

I'll admit I was happy when we drafted Moses. I thought we got a bargain in the third round and we need someone who can put pressure on the QB opposite Burgess. Turns out Moses doesn't have the heart to play the game at the pro level and the signs were there his senior season. Like I said, better to cut him now and keep a player who can contribute on the team rather than let him steal a spot for a year or two before cutting him. If it wasn't the Raiders, it wouldn't be news. How many draft picks did NE keep this year? I just looked at their roster and see that only 2 out of their 9 picks made the cut.

I don't find it odd that a topic on general football boards parrots what ESPN reports.
 
82Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 00:24 		Every single draft pick by the Colts made the team. After winning the Super Bowl and starting off as impressive as they were opening night, Polian must have done it again.
 
83Slizz
      ID: 398161117
      Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 08:19 		Perception TB, Perception.

It just looks like a mess no matter how you cut it. The fact that people even took the "Administrative Error" seriously just shows how bad of a reputation the Raiders' brass has.

I dont even use ESPN just FYI. www.profootballtalk.com, NFLN (Schefter), & sportsline is all I need. ESPN is constantly off the mark and they care more about breaking the story then accuracy. I.E. Vick Verdict, Brandon Jackson's status (NFL Live said he was out week 1 @ 12am EST (per Ref), however the associated press, Green Bay Post-Gazette and JS Online confirmed he was in the lineup on week 1. Also they said Eli Manning was out 1-2 months...I mean c'mon the "worldwide leader" is a joke. How can you honestly take them seriously when they have a 10 year old contributing as an analyst.
 
84Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 10:48 		ESPN also had Daunte as the starter a couple days before the Jackson misinformation. And their probables on their web page have been inaccurate quite a few times this summer.

Still, they do get a lot of scoops that are accurate. As a whole I think they do a nice job.
 
85Slizz
      ID: 21733916
      Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 11:51 		Thanks for also pointing that out too Ref! Another thing, you cant believe a word you read from that hack Len "Don Vito" Pasquarelli.

www.profootballtalk.com/lencut.mp3

all except for the one Arizona cut this year

*laughs* Arizona has won only ONE playoff game since the Truman administration...thats a great team to compare them too!
 
86Slizz
      ID: 21733916
      Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 12:13 		Your Daily David Boston Update:

BOSTON DONE IN TAMPA by Michael David Smith

Wide receiver David Boston is now a former Tampa Bay Buccaneer.

The team announced today that it has reached an injury settlement and released Boston, and that wide receiver Mark Jones, who played in Tampa Bay the last two years, has been re-signed to take Boston's spot on the 53-man roster.

The move comes two days after it was reported that Boston tested positive for GHB after he was arrested for DUI on August 23.

Although the Bucs initially said they stood by Boston, that was before the results of Boston's urinalysis came back. Given Boston's previous off-field problems, and given how long it's been since he did anything of note on the field, it's very hard to imagine any other team picking him up. That means it's probably the end of the NFL career for a guy who in 2001 led the league in receiving yards at age 23 and looked like he had the potential to become the best receiver in the league.

Thats two first round picks in the G24 Supplemental in consecutive days done for the year for fantasy purposes!
 
87TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Wed, Sep 12, 2007, 21:17 		When you say *laughs*, I don't know if that means you are getting a chuckle out of the discussion or laughing at me. If you are trying to mock me not only don't I get it, but there isn't a reason to have a serious discussion with you from this point forward. I will post my reply in case I am just reading it wrong, but would appreciate if you could clear that up for me.

Let me back up to say that I agree that you are looking for a starter in the third and at least hoping for a contributor. I envisioned adding another Kirk Morrison type impact player in the third this year when we got Moses. It didn't happen. Nobody was dissing the pick when they made it, quite the opposite, but he wasn't good enough to make the team. Some teams are lucky and get an immediate starter, others get a role player, and others gamble and lose. As long as we have an example like Brady getting drafted in the 6th round (or the many impact undrafted players and late round picks) we will always know that even with the best research, drafting can be a bit of a crapshoot.
- Of course, if the Patriots have been stealing defensive signals and been able to get them into Brady, no wonder he's so clutch in the 2nd half, but that's another discussion.

With that said, I did take a look at the last two drafts. There are a handful of solid starters, but most are either back-up or role players. There are a few people where the teams gambled and lost. I'm guessing that if I went back to 2004 and 2003, there would be a lot more names added to the "not on an NFL team" list. This list is third round picks from 2005 and 2006 who are no longer with the club who drafted them. Most were cut, with two traded.

Anthony Schlegel LB, Jets
Jon Alston LB, Rams
Rashad Butler T, Panthers
Courtney Roby WR, Titans
Dustin Fox DB, Vikings
David Greene QB, Seattle Seahawks
Atiyyah Ellison DT, Panthers
Jordan Beck LB, Falcons
Chris Colmer T, Buccaneers
Vincent Burns DE, Colts
Maurice Clarett RB, Broncos

Two traded players:
Charlie Frye QB, Browns (traded for a 6th)
Vernand Morency RB, Texans (swapped to Gado)
 
88Slizz
      ID: 28801218
      Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 00:04 		TB, I respect your opinion and obviously see you bleed silver and black like I bleed orange & blue...however, I just felt it necessary to make it a point that you were citing the Cardinals as the only other team in defense of your beloved Raiders. I apologize if you took offense to it b/c I did not intend for the post to be contentious whatsoever.

As for the players you listed, besides Mo Clo, how many of those players were cut before the season even began??? Shanahan looked like a dipshit for drafting him so early and then cutting him shortly thereafter.

As for my opinion, you can take it or leave it. I definitely respect the fact that you put in what looks to be about an hour of research to point that out to me. I would take my time to look at each and every one of those players and see for myself who made the opening day roster and got cut...but I am headed to bed :)

However, my original point and opinion remains unchanged: The Raiders become the butt of everyones NFL jokes for the way they handled the 2007 draft. Goodnight! (sooooo not proofreading!)
 
89TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 01:25 		Thanks for clearing that up. I absolutely dig that we have another active poster in the league (even if you are a bit brainwashed by PFT...j/k) and will enjoy talking football with you.

Yes, I bleed Silver and Black, but with the product we've put on the field the last four years the skin is pretty thick. I would say that almost all of those players made the team their first year minus Clarett. Maybe Denver was dogged a little, but eventually everyone saw that Denver took a gamble, realized Mo was junk, and cut bait. There are nine other teams listed who either didn't have a better player to keep on their roster, were unable to judge that their player wasn't going to cut it, or maybe who were afraid to admit they made a mistake. I can look through a lot of teams rosters and find undrafted players and 5th-7th round players starting where earlier round picks are no longer in the NFL. Just the list of first round QB's alone who were junk over the last 15 or so years is impressive. I know we had a discussion about the 1999 first round draft a while back and that was either nice hit or big miss for most teams.

Russell is signed. He missed 48 total days. He was there for all the mini-camps, but did miss training camp and preseason. Even if he was there the entire time I still think his main function this season would be clip-board carrier. Very few rookie QB's have ever been baptised in fire with success. Manning and Bledsoe are the only two that come to mind right away and I think we would agree that Russell isn't near as NFL ready as either of those guys were.

I don't have the inclination to review every teams draft and see who they kept, but the Raiders have:
Russell (1) on clipboard duty
Miller (2) starting TE
Henderson (3B) OL depth
Higgins (3C) WR depth and starting KR
Bush (4A) future star RB on PUP
Bowie (4B) CB depth
Richardson (5A) DL depth and one of the reasons we could let Moses go
O'Neal (6) FB depth (will be a solid player)
Holland (7) on IR.
Cut - Moses (3A) and Frampton (5B)
Even if Bowie and Holland never amount to much and with the disappointment that Moses turned out to be, I still think the Raiders helped themselves a lot in this draft.
 
90Great One
      Sustainer
      ID: 053272014
      Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 10:17 		rotoworld
It can often be a sign of a bad organization when a plan fails, but a sign of an even worse organization is when a plan is abandoned so quickly that it didn't even have a chance to fail. Judging from their quarterback situation, the Browns qualify as the latter. Charlie Frye entered training camp atop the depth chart and was named the starter on August 31. Ten passes later and Frye's not only no longer the starter in Cleveland, he's in Seattle following Tuesday's trade.

A third-round pick in 2005, the Browns dealt Frye to the Seahawks for sixth rounder and will apparently turn the starting job over to Derek Anderson. Given all the decisions and preparation that go into getting an NFL team ready for the upcoming season, it's astonishing that someone could be named a starter and then completely fall out of the team's favor within the span of two weeks, all while throwing six incomplete passes.

If the Browns wanted to truly give Frye another legitimate chance with the job, then he obviously needed more than a 10-pass opportunity to do so. And if they didn't really have much interest in giving him that chance, then why bother naming him the starter (or keep him on the roster) to begin with? The move to Seattle is a great opportunity for Frye, who now becomes the potential long-term successor to Matt Hasselbeck in a quarterback-friendly situation.
 
91StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 10:26 		Same thing can be said for Leftwich. First off I didn't understand why he was even named the starter to begin with, other than money, and then why he was unceremoniously dumped before the season even started.

In the case of Frye I think it was obvious they didn't think Frye would be a good mentor for Quinn and they also didn't want any obstacles to naming Quinn the starter in a few weeks or whenever. I've even read now that if Anderson struggles Quinn might go in this week in relief.
 
92Great One
      Sustainer
      ID: 053272014
      Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 10:49 		Surprised a team like Atlanta or even the Dolphins haven't given Leftwich a shot yet.
 
93Perm Dude
      ID: 35848138
      Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 10:53 		Or the Browns, for that matter.

The fact that they yanked Frye so early reflects their indecisiveness about the whole thing, which is just a stupid way to treat your QBs. In the end, it hurts Quinn as well. Is he going to be looking over his shoulder when he finally gets the nod, knowing that the Browns have no idea of how to treat their QBs professionally?
 
94Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 11:30 		I think the Browns view Quinn as their QB, but he's just not ready. If he hadn't held out then perhaps he gets the Manning treatment and thrown in there to learn under fire. Now it's jsut a matter of who will start until the think Quinn is ready.

I think Russell would have been in the same boat. If he signed on time, he would have been the QB from the start--even though I agree with TB that he was less ready than Manning or Bledsoe coming out of college. Holding out can be a career-ender. The difference of a little bit of money can easily be made up through on-field incentives or off-fielf marketing--esp. if you do well. Maybe the Raiders weren't being fair--none of us outside of those discussions really know.

The Leftwich situation was an absolute fiasco as well. The Ravens even signed Boller to an extension rather than sign him. That speaks volumes as Boller had been given a chance to start and failed miserably. Maybe he can show someothing while McNair is out. It's obvious that it would have taken some time for Leftwich to learn any system he would go into so he better get signed quickly if he wants to have any chance of even getting on the field this year.
 
95Slizz
      ID: 21733916
      Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 13:19 		Remember, Hasselbeck (a favorite of mine...so their might be some bias in this) was a backup in Green Bay and a late round pick under Holmgren while he was with the Packers. Under Holmgren's tutledge Hasselbeck became one of the NFL's premier game managers. He might never wow you with insane stats like Manning or Palmer, but he is almost always going to give you a +1 TD/INT game with 200 yards in the air. To me, I wish Rex Grossman would even come close to doing that...if so, we'd be super bowl champs!

Frye, was an early 3rd round pick and Senior Bowl MVP. Just b/c Frye earned that honor doesnt guarantee him success in the NFL...but at least he got a chance to showcase his talent to NFL brass and thus was rewarded by being selected high in the 3rd round. I am not ready to write off Charlie Frye as a NFL QB just yet. He turned around a putrid Akron team in college, and was dealt a crappy hand in Cleveland. I dont even think Peyton Manning would've succeeded at a pro bowl level on the Browns.

However, the Browns did what they could in light of the situation. They have Brady Quinn and no need to carry him anymore and at least got some return on their investment in Frye.

I am not completely sold on JaMarcus. They broke down his game film and all in all, I worry about his ability to read NFL coverages. EX: vs. Auburn last year, he took forever to finally read that they were playing a soft cover 2 in the wee minutes of the 4th, and after buying enough time with his superior talent, he tried to fit the ball into the coverage and was helped out by his WR's. He wont have that luxury in the NFL. He benefitted tremendously from the talent surrounding him on LSU which literally consisted of jump balls to dwayne bowe, bombs to craig davis, attacking alley broussard, & the top WR in the 2008 draft - early doucett. I could be wrong, but things like that just stand out to me.

TB/Ref: I think the Raiders had no intention of playing him his rookie season anyways, so to resist fan pressure later on in the season to play him was to force him into a long & lengthy holdout. Either way you cut it, its a PR mess which leads plenty of people to say "only in Oakland".

As for Leftwich, you were the only person up on that too Ref...thats why I was very surprised when you passed on Garrard in the Supplemental. You sent me the link to the FLA Sun Sentinel saying how they're contemplating cutting Leftwich to avoid his salary for 07. I think just his general demeanor and fitness regimen really hurt him. He constantly overthrew passes, was totally immobile, and his delivery took forever. There werent alot of positives about Fat Albert Leftwich.

TB - PFT is like football crack. He almost always breaks stories before anyone else and doesnt have to censor what he says which makes it a daily must read I recommend to everyone else.
 
96Great One
      Sustainer
      ID: 053272014
      Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 13:51 		Ref probably went Croyle thinking, go with the younger guy as he had more long term potential and he knew was guaranteed to start at some point as they see him as "the future". Garrard seems ok to me, but I don't see him developing into (conservatively) a Top 15 QB.
 
97Slizz
      ID: 21733916
      Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 16:18 		Well, Ref will have the QB of the future in KC assuming they dont draft Brian Brohm. If you think I'm crazy to think they'd draft a QB in the 1st, see the Miami Dolphins: 2nd rounder for AJ Feely, 3rd or 4th for Daunte, Conditional 5th for Trent Green, Conditional 6th for Joey Heisman.

If anything, KC needs offensive line depth more then anything. However, I think they will finish dead last and possibly have a top 3 pick.

Also, love how I shot myself in the foot for Napoleon Harris! Gotta love screwing myself in waivers! lol.

So...who do you guys think will be the "sleeper" fantasy play. Obviously my Visanthe Shiancoe "pick 2 click" went over pretty well! My week 2 pick guaranteed to go wrong - JAMAL LEWIS.
 
98Great One
      Sustainer
      ID: 053272014
      Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 16:33 		Cleveland has always found a way to stop Jamal Lewis. Looks like they still have!!!
 
99Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 16:33 		I drafted Croyle as he was the last starting QB left. Right after I drafted him, Huard was named starter. Then when I got to Garrard (I had planned to take him regardless) I thought how can I afford to have two backups on my team? I still have to trade for a starting QB. So then I'd hve three QBs. I was thinking that I needed to find a player who had huge upside and could be kept. I was hoping Garrard would make it another roung where I'd have to take him regardless of how many QBs I had. Right after I took Demetrius Williams, I read that article I sent to Slizz. If I had read that article first, I'd have grabbed Garrard. I just felt that a backup QB had a better chance to fall then a guy who was expected to "blow up huge" this year.

The next day, that same newspaper said that Leftwich would in fact be starting. So was shocked again when they cut him so late.

I also have to give Doug some credit. I was chatting with him and had like 13 guys on my list but only like 4 I was really considering. He asked me if I was looking at Williams. I said he's on my list but not really a finalist. So I go back and look at him again and found some articles on different sites. There were two articles that were posted on him that day or the day before that I hadn't read and it was glowing. He had the upside. The explosiveness. The height. The end zone targets. The speed--if only McNair can get the ball downfield. With him, Bowe, Plax and Berrian, I may have four very strong WRs for now and the future. Problems is that youc an only start three and you still ned a QB. Hopefully Croyle can be that guy. Not sold on him at this point though.
 
100StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 16:45 		Pretty interesting first week, for my team anyway. Was losing to the Cowboys, a divisional rival, by about 10 pts heading into Monday's games with only my DB Madieu Williams to play. Also had about a 20pt lead over the Vikings but they still had Palmer and CJ left to play. Madieu Williams came up big with 12 points and I was able to snatch victory from defeat in both games!
 
101StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 16:49 		Yeah, thanks a lot Doug. I was hoping Demetrius was going to fly under the radar and get back to me, but with my 2nd pick in the 4th round that was a longshot anyway. Jarrett should catch just as few passes as D. Williams anyway, so I should still be just as well off ;)
 
102Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 17:17 		Heh ;)

I'm working on the overall franchise standings. Obviously with the 4 IDPs added to our teams, suddenly hitting 100 pts in a game isn't as tough. May up it to 120 or so on their. Same for the record books. That page is going to take a major overhaul. Considering an overall and 02-06 and 07 and on as far as separate records. Even with our added players no one hit the top 5 of our old records. I think I will post them in the football standings forum so those of you who want to see them can and it won't mess up our thread with the very wide table.
 
103Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 17:42 		I'm trying to figure out if there can be a quick way to update the H2H records as shown on Sheet 3 here. Wondering if there is a simple program where it can take the overall standings from Sheet 1 as I manually enter them and sort them and then could I simply enter aa H2H win or loss and then it update that sheet? Everything on there was done manually and that was enough of a task at the end of the year let alone trying to keep up with it.
 
104Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 18:29 		The orange background is'nt too flattering so will post it as a reply in the future but here is the franchise standings after the first week.
 
105Perm Dude
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      Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 18:29 		Interesting. Wonder how the PF will change with the IDPs added this year.
 
106Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Sep 13, 2007, 19:02 		I have the averages at the bottom of each year. Looks like I messed up some of the prettiness, but I'll fix that. Anyhow, through the first week we are averaging 96.44. Last year our average was 68.735 and overall our average PF is 69.5821. So we're about 27+ points higher thus far.

 
107Ref
      Donor
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      Fri, Sep 14, 2007, 12:45 		The league record book has been posted in the same thread as the franchise standings as linked in 104. (Big File)

I kept all the records through last year. Then made an overall record book from them. From there I deleted every old record that wouldn't be affected by the IDP and DHs. Then I added a section for 2007 records (mainly least points scored, etc.) at the end of the 02-06 records.

There are many records at the bottom which involve like overall winning pct, etc which have not been updated this week nor will be updated every week for obvious reasons. The H2H records against every other opponent might not be updated until the end of the season if I can't figure out an easier way to do it.
 
108THK
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      Sun, Sep 16, 2007, 21:26 		180 points. Get off me. :-)
 
109Perm Dude
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      Sun, Sep 16, 2007, 22:02 		How about dem Brownies! Toss the dice with Anderson ("Worst Haircut in the NFL") and he gets a career game.
 
110Toral
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      Mon, Sep 17, 2007, 10:31 		Hey, Braylon Edwards, Adalius Thomas -- practice optional this week. Sorry that everybody else sucked. In fact, you two get the week off to go to Las Vegas -- rest of team on two-a-days.

Toral
 
111Peter N.
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      Mon, Sep 17, 2007, 13:06 		What a week for me to be playing against Browns' offensive players. PD had Anderson and BJ21 had Lewis. Yikes.
 
112Perm Dude
      ID: 10845189
      Tue, Sep 18, 2007, 10:47 		Stupid McNabb, not throwing that INT when I was yelling at him to.

One for the record books, anyway, assuming no defensive stats that change Fletcher's total.
 
113Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Sep 18, 2007, 11:01 		PD, Do you mean Point Differential? YOu lost by .68 and the top 5 range from like .02-.08. Still tough loss! I checked Pete's team to see if I could find an extra -7 yds gained anywhere, but none to be found for you. I'll go through the rest of the teams to adjust for those soon.

If I could figure out which players to start, I'd be a whole lot better. Sadly to say, my low score of the week is closer to normal than my record highest score ever to still take a loss (and 3rd highest score for the week). Still, I would be 3-1 if I had managed to start the right combinations. Nothing I could have done about mbj this week!!!
 
114Ref
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