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Subject: Gurupie 24 2008 Season Discussion

  Posted by: Ref - Donor [539581218] Sun, Aug 31, 2008, 17:08
Waivers have been turned on and our season is underway. Even though they were turned on today, apparently they still won't run until Tuesday night/Wed morning for the first time since they never run on Mondays in the season. So everyone has plenty of time to make claims. Opening night is Thursday, but you may still add/drop any player not involved in the Thursday game up until 5 mins before the first game on Sunday.

If you'd like to participate in our draft recap, we've started it in the football standings thread.

Cards found three mistakes (affecting several teams) I had made on the schedule. They were dropdown errors. Neither of us could find anymore, but those teams obvioulsy hadn't checked their schedules yet. Frick and gshade have been added to our g20/24 web site.

2008 Preseason discussion

Gurupie 24 2008 Supplemental Draft Discussion

Gurupie 24 2008 Supplemental Draft

Gurupie 24 2008 Supplemental Draft Recap

2008 Master Schedule

G24 Overall Franchise Standings 2007

G20/24 Website

G24 web page
 
1Promize@Parents
      ID: 4485019
      Mon, Sep 01, 2008, 10:53 		It would be nice to have my team perform to its potential for a change... Lee Evans, please do something for once...
 
2Action Figure
      ID: 43830218
      Tue, Sep 02, 2008, 19:33 		Not sure if I'm going to do the prize pool this year. What is the cost with and without?
 
3Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Sep 03, 2008, 09:38 		AF, actually you are committed to it.

Promize, thanks for the email heads-up about Pick-ems, I had forgotten. Make your picks before tomight's game. Frick and Shade, go to pick-ems and you will pick the winner of our matchups. Ask me if you have any questions.
 
4TB
      ID: 395122110
      Thu, Sep 04, 2008, 00:44 		I think you meant to tell AF that if he elects to OPT-out then he can never rejoin. Just because he's chosen to pay in the past, doesn't mean he is obligated to stay in the prize pool forever.

It's always bothered me that people can't just decide each season whether they want to be a part of the prize pool. It should be a fun side bet thing and not the focus of the league. AND yes, I do think it's okay for someone to not pay for 10 years straight and then when they make a contender to pay and maybe even win it all. Only those who think they are contenders should be betting their cash.
 
5Perm Dude
      ID: 51854214
      Thu, Sep 04, 2008, 01:12 		I mailed my check in a few days ago. I'd appreciate confirmation of receipt when it arrives.

I agree with you on the prize pool, TB.
 
6Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Sep 04, 2008, 11:06 		A separate cash prize pool has also be established. It was strictly voluntary through the 2005 Season. Now you must either be in or out every year so managers can't pick and choose when they think they will have a chance to win or not.

I get emails about this a lot. Several are for making in mandatory and a few want to even up the prize pool. It would be nice if some of those would pipe up since the two who aren't in the prize pool have posted. We made it an optional pool at first because we had a few high school/college kids in it when we first started. I think it's fine how it is, but obviously some disagree--to both extremes. The league voted to change it to the way it is now--all or nothing. The league also voted to allow TB to opt out in his 2nd year. Again, whatever the league decides to do is fine.

Another idea Cards and I have duscussed is to drop the city name on our team name and use our gurupie handle, like GO's Jets at some point. Not sure if that would mess up the historical data in CBS or not...
 
7Great One
      ID: 497221412
      Thu, Sep 04, 2008, 11:20 		I think its kind of ridiculous to just pick and choose every year if you want to be in or not. I've stunk up the joint and paid for two seasons and now hope to cash in. Thats just part of the deal. Pay your dues and the good teams should reap the reward.

What if all of a sudden you've got a team of 10 superstar players and nobody thinks they can beat him... so the other 23 teams opt out of the prize pool cause they got no shot... wouldn't you be pissed?
Whats next, you can decide halfway through the season if you want to be in the prize pool? Deciding right before the season is close enough... (had your star QB break a leg in preseason ala Vick a few years ago? just opt out of the money!).

Frankly, I would make it mandatory anyway... if you want to play with the big boys in such a major league - step up to the plate and throw a few bucks in. Its not like its $1,000 or something. Its one less trip to Taco Bell for months of entertainment.
 
8Perm Dude
      ID: 21822410
      Thu, Sep 04, 2008, 11:53 		We already are stepping up, GO. We're all paying and playing for a trophy.

What next--a mandatory pick 'ems prize pool, also blamed on being with the "big boys?"

Making a decision each year whether to be in or out sounds reasonable to me. Certainly the way we have it now, in which a manger once out can never return, is not really the way we want to go long term. But allowing those managers who choose to enter a separate prize pool to do so from year to year is exactly the kind of thing which helps build teams to get better. Knowing I might have a shot next year at entering a prize pool is just that much more of an incentive.
 
9beastiemiked
      ID: 37820312
      Thu, Sep 04, 2008, 14:03 		I think it should be mandatory. If you don't have a few extra bucks laying around you probably don't have enough time to manage your team properly anyway. It ultimately makes the league more fun and more comepetitive.
 
10Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Sep 04, 2008, 14:19 		PD, I don't understnad your logic of how the pick-ems is related? It has nothing to do with the teams at all--except you're basically selecting by NFL players individually vs the NFL teams and how they stack up on G24 teams. Unlike your team, you can choose to make your pick-ems valid or not. About half the league enjoys it and half doesn't (esp now that we have 24 games/week). It takes me less than 5 mins to do and I'd surmise many spend more time on Guru's pickoff competition or other games like that.
 
11Great One
      ID: 497221412
      Thu, Sep 04, 2008, 16:02 		We already are stepping up, GO. We're all paying and playing for a trophy.

I actually forgot about that part, but honestly thats just MORE reason to make it mandatory... cause usually the arguement is that its a pain in the butt to mail a $10-20 check to someone, and for someone to track everything and I wholeheartedly agree with that can be a hassle. But since we are already mailing a check for the league, and someone is already having to track all the balances... may as well tack on a few more bucks evenly across the board. I'd imagine its a major pain to our G24 accountant to have all these different managers having different ammounts owed and what not. And needing footnotes next to everybodies names of who is in and who isn't etc.
But thats just me, cause I'm a bit OCD and like my book-keeping neat and tidy.
 
12Great One
      ID: 497221412
      Thu, Sep 04, 2008, 16:09 		I just checked the prize pool as well, all ya gotta do is make the playoffs to get your money back. That seems like its fair enough for everyone to have a shot... nobody should be starting any season not even thinking they can't reach the last playoff spot, can they? So I don't see why people would feel the need to jump in and out of the prizes.
 
13Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Sep 04, 2008, 16:38 		GO makes a good point about playoffs. How many times have we had teams who didn't have much coming into the season turn aroudn and do well. W/o checking any stats, I can come up with a few right now.

AF lost like 11 or 12 in a row--the next year won that many in a row...bmd took over a team whose owner was so bad and inactive that it had nothing--he made it to the title game that first year...RFS has a team that won the title then was the worst team in the league the next year...GO took over that team and did well immediately...Slizz took over a team that wasn't very good and almost made teh playoffs...My team last year didn't even have a starting RB or QB (finally got one before opening day) and made it to the title game...TB makes the playoffs the year he opts out...I'm sure there are many other examples. Thing is with so many variables and IDPs and injuries...you just never know. I'd say that Cards' 49ers are the team to beat again this year, but he got smacked up in the playoffs last year and who knows what will happen this year?

As far as the prize pool goes, 1/3 of the participants get their money back. If the league wants to change something, then we can vote on whatever that is. But whatever YOU choose the rule to be, as commish, we'll enforce that. It would be a LOT easier to have just one amount that everyone owes, but that's how it is. As far as Pick-ems go, we've twice asked the league if they wanted to do away with it and each tiem the league wanted to keep it. Last I looked we have 9 people that have their picks in. Ideally at least half will keep participating. It is $1 total (less than the cost of paypal) and it is optional. You get to drop a week if you ever forget or to simply drop your low week.
 
14Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Sep 04, 2008, 19:04 		Last chance to get Pick-ems in!
 
15Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Sep 04, 2008, 20:07 		CBS adjusted their formula again so we cannot even assign -.1 for one yard loss. So all negative yards will be manually adjusted after stats become "final" on Tuesday.
 
16TB
      ID: 395122110
      Fri, Sep 05, 2008, 04:55 		I think it should be mandatory. If you don't have a few extra bucks laying around you probably don't have enough time to manage your team properly anyway. It ultimately makes the league more fun and more comepetitive.

I have no idea how you came to that conclusion. How does one not wanting to spend cash equate to not having a few bucks around and how does either of those equal time management? Not everyone has the same outlook on gambling as you do.

I have been in plenty of prize pool leagues, but chose not to particpate in this leagues prize pool. I have plenty of cash, am a big donor on this site and other sites, give money to charity, but I don't like our prize pool and didn't feel like being a part of it. It doesn't make the league funner for me, it makes it more like a job.

And for those that had to pay for the prize pool with a crappy team, what a scam. Rules like that are made by people collecting money at the end of the season. I get it if you guys don't feel like this is just a group of friends playing fantasy sports for fun, because that's how I look at it. I'm easily replaceable if you want to make it mandatory, though.

And Ref, what part of this am I not getting:
A separate cash prize pool has also be established. It was strictly voluntary through the 2005 Season. Now you must either be in or out every year so managers can't pick and choose when they think they will have a chance to win or not.

To me it reads that if he elects to no longer be a part of the pool, then he can't rejoin. What is the alternate solution? Boot him out of the league if he doesn't want to pay anymore?
 
17Great One
      ID: 497221412
      Fri, Sep 05, 2008, 09:25 		I agree with TB about the time/money thing, that doesn't make much sense. I'm actually pretty broke but have lots of free time! But of course I'm trying to pay for a wedding :0

To me, as someone who paid for crappy team for two years... I felt it was motivation to actually improve them and not to be comfortable being in the gutter. I took over a team with primary keepers of Pennington and Priest Holmes for god sakes.

All I gotta do is make the playoffs to be even, and win a game to cover myself for multiple years. That sounds like something to shoot for. And the teams that won my money the last two years - I expect to take theirs from here on out.

Picking and choosing is just silly, thats like getting dealt an 10 and 6 in blackjack and then telling the dealer you are just gonna take your wager back cause you don't like that particular hand. You either are playing or your not, so I think the "in or out" theory is perfectly reasonable.
 
18StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Fri, Sep 05, 2008, 10:21 		The prize pool is obviously not meant to be a big a payout but it is supposed to provide a little incentive for making the playoffs. Making the playoffs is actually detrimental to your draft position as those 8 teams are automatically at the end of the draft, regardless if your team was the best overall for that year, or barely squeaked in. Make the playoffs and you recoup your entry fee for at least the prize pool portion. One-third of the teams make the playoffs and once you're in anything can happen.

One good thing about the prize pool is that a portion of the winnings are almost always donated to Guru.

The idea of either in or out was brought about for reasons already stated. As bookeeper I can tell you that tracking who is in or out is definitely a pain. Payments come in at different times and now I don't worry about whether or not I have a payment before the season actually starts or not, but if the prize pool was electable on a yearly basis then I would have to require all fees and declarations be made prior to the start of the season, and obviously I'd have to request payments earlier than I do now.

I actually thought the in or out thing was something the league as a whole was in favor of. I'd be just as happy playing with no prize pool or plaque and even finding a free site to play it on assuming that such a site had the necessary features for our scoring system etc.

To be honest, I actually hate the treasury aspect of things and if someone else wants to volunteer I'd love to let someone else handle it. That has nothing to do with prize pool or not either.
 
19Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Fri, Sep 05, 2008, 11:09 		It's funny that most of the legaue doesn't want to talk about things before the season starts, then once it does things come up.

You have no idea how much of a hassle trying to get the plaque tracked down and get it sent back, engraved, sent out, etc. NO IDEA. You also have no idea how much work Cards has to do because of the money.

When we came up with the league, the prize pool wasn't included but so many people wanted it. It was my suggestion that we keep it a low amount and make it optional. Also that anyone who makes the playoffs get their money back. The always in or always out idea came about as a compromise for the pushing sentiment to make it mandatory.

I do think the $15 has a value-added effect--at least for some. It has no affect on me personally as I'd try just as hard regardless. I'm sure some others would too. Not everyone spends as much time as they probably should on their team though. This league is really not conducive to putting in minimal time if you want to be successful. Yet it is probably the easiest as there is but one game per week.

The rule says in or out. So if you are in and want to be out, it would have to take a league vote to allow for it. If the league votes no then I guess yes, we'd have to find a replacement manager. TB asked out of the Pool and was allowed out because he said in his first year he didn't understand that it was optional. Toral was allowed to get IN the pool (I think that same year).

Again, I don't care how we do it. But the league is going to decide if there are changes made. If anyone that wants out of the pool can get out, then we need to change the rule to state that. If too many get out, we might as well do away with it. If we want to dump the plaque, then lets do that now before we put any more money into it. If we wnat a free site, well let's get that next year. If they can't handle our rules, well let's change our rules to accomodate that site. Bottom line is let's have fun! I'll admit that it sometimes seems more like work to me from a commish standpoint. I know some appreciate it though so that keeps me motivated.
 
20Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Fri, Sep 05, 2008, 11:11 		By saying TB and Toral were allowed to change their status--it was allowed pursuant to a league vote.
 
21Action Figure
      ID: 1471946
      Fri, Sep 05, 2008, 20:06 		Always enjoyed the prize pool and always participated (founding member) but I'm rebuilding so I don't think I have much of a shot this year.

I will not participate this year and if that means I'm out for good so be it. I can see why some want it to be a rule but if I'm never able to "play" again that seems a bit silly because I'm not good.

Anyway, I've contributed in the past so somebody has enjoyed my money.

I'll Pay Pal my league fees and the pick em fee if I must but I've never participated in the pick em (I've always hated it) Good luck this year all.

AF
 
22Toral
      ID: 575542418
      Fri, Sep 05, 2008, 20:17 		I've never agreed with the "all-in" rule.

I hereby move that participation in the prize pool be entirely voluntary (starting in 2009; we ought to play by the existing rules for this year.)

Toral
 
23TB
      ID: 395122110
      Fri, Sep 05, 2008, 20:41 		Picking and choosing is just silly, thats like getting dealt an 10 and 6 in blackjack and then telling the dealer you are just gonna take your wager back cause you don't like that particular hand. You either are playing or your not, so I think the "in or out" theory is perfectly reasonable.

Having to pay the prize pool could also be described as getting dealt a 10 and 6, seeing the flop is three cowboys and having to match the guy who bets the pot and not being allowed to fold.

I've made the playoffs every season since I opted out. I didn't opt out because I couldn't field a competitive team or because I was worried about spending my cash. I did it because I saw a conflict between me having fun in a fun league versus being competitive in a money league. It's even been said in this thread that it was never the intent of the league to be a money league, just something fun on the side. Money and fun don't always mix well.

And Ref, there was no league vote. I emailed you guys and after you and Cards talked about it you said okay. I went back to read the old thread and there was one post stating the same.
 
24Myboyjack
      Dude
      ID: 014826271
      Fri, Sep 05, 2008, 21:15 		I second Toral's post #22
 
25StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Sat, Sep 06, 2008, 00:10 		AF, the pick'ems has always been optional on a year by year basis as far as I know.
 
26Promize@Parents
      ID: 54811611
      Sat, Sep 06, 2008, 12:24 		Hmmm...

I tend to think it should be All-in with the option of pickem's only each year. Pickem's is just one of those added bonuses of the league... play or don't play each year... No biggie...

Shoot I've seemed to finish in the bottom 6 each year, but continue to always put my money into the pool figuring with 24 teams there has to be a good chance I will finish somewhere in the payout.

I've also made several moves, had some tough times, was in college a couple years, etc throughout this league but was always able to come up with the money to participate in the pool..

I really think the pool should be 100% participation and to not sound mean, I think we have several managers willing to play in the league. With that being saying, I would hate to see anyone leave the league either.

Do we have the original emails that talks about the league? I don't remember what was said about a pool.
 
27Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sat, Sep 06, 2008, 13:28 		RE 22 and 24...Well the problem is that AF is stating that the rule be changed for him right now.

TB, apparently it was Toral we had the vote to get back in. You claimed that you were new the first year and didn't understand that it was always in or always out. I had thought we had a vote on you too, but apparently not and no one objected. AF has playd in the league since it's inception. The league made the rule to prevent the very reason he wants out.

In hoops, it was like 6 seasons of donating before I finally hit pay dirt and finished 2nd this year, so I know how that goes. It's pretty difficult to stay really good or really bad for long with our setup.

I think at this point we should simply have one big comprehensive vote on every aspect and see what happens. What good is a rule if someone can just say 'nah, I'm not doing it.'

That's why we talk and talk about any possible changes before the season starts. Then if we have to replace someone, the new manager gets to keep, make trades and draft his own team. As commishs, we are simply trying to enforce the rules that we've all agreed to by entering/returning to the league. If those rules are against the prevailing view, then they SHOULD be changed. My only issue is the timing.
 
28Action Figure
      ID: 15851622
      Sat, Sep 06, 2008, 23:55 		I never meant to duck out of anything that I was commited to, nor do I like being accused of it. I will participate this year and we can discuss all this next year. Please resend the e-mail requesting league fees and prize pool.
 
30Peter N.
      ID: 484946
      Sun, Sep 07, 2008, 09:42 		Always enjoyed the prize pool and always participated (founding member) but I'm rebuilding so I don't think I have much of a shot this year.

For that exact reason, I am opposed to changing the rule. I have not been good every year, but have participated in the prize pool every year. I think we're going down a slippery slope if we allow managers to decide each year if they are in or out of the prize pool. In my opinion, all in or all out is by far the most fair approach.

I would also like to say, let's not lose sight of what we are doing here. This is a GAME and is suppost to be fun. It's not like we are playing with high stakes money here. I understand though if you don't want to be in the money. PD is a great example. He decided initially not to do the prize pool. That's ok. However, if he picked and choosed each year that just wouldn't be right. Again, just my opinion.
 
31Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sun, Sep 07, 2008, 09:51 		Re 28

AF, never underestimate what LT can do for your team!!! You might be in the playoffs afterall.

As I followed up with the email vote, #1 (the reason for the vote at this time anyhow) is no longer needed. However, the rest of the vote might as well be tabulated so we can at least see where the league stands moving forward. It will help to decide the fate of the plaque this year at least.
 
32Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sun, Sep 07, 2008, 10:07 		AF, the more I look at your team, the more I like it. Especially with three starting QBs, you could easily move one to get a solid WR or possibly even a RB to rocket your team. Granted they aren't studs, but still very servicable and I'm surprised you haven't received solid offers for one of them yet in a league this deep.
 
33Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sun, Sep 07, 2008, 13:43 		So here I am all happy cuz I was able to nab Turner at 2.14 in RIFC. Two TDs already...then I look and see that my 2nd opponent is ahead of me in G24--and of course it's Doug and he has Turner! Favre throws a bomb and I'm like things are looking good and of course it's too Cotchery--who my first opponent has. Man it's tricky when you root for people!!!
 
34StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Sun, Sep 07, 2008, 15:32 		The payment information is on the league message board if you display the full list.
 
35Action Figure
      ID: 1471946
      Sun, Sep 07, 2008, 20:14 		"B. means that AF must be in the prize pool to remain in our league"

This must have been worded wrong. Are you saying I will be/would have been kicked out if I did not join the prize pool.

The worst case scenario should be/should have been I could no longer play in the prize pool.

(holding my tongue here)

On a side note I did not see this e-mail until after I decided to participate in the prize pool, had I seen this I don't know what I would have done.



 
36Action Figure
      ID: 1471946
      Sun, Sep 07, 2008, 20:18 		It was stated that I once won some money, I don't recall but would love to have the figures if you have them on record.

 
37Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sun, Sep 07, 2008, 20:47 		AF,

You decided to join the pool every season once you opted in a few years ago when the league voted to change the rule. To opt out, the league would have to change the rule since, as most, you opted in the prize pool making it mandatory for you. We have a current vote out to help get some clarity for future years on the league's views. I am not sure why you feel you have to hold our tongue. Perhaps you've misunderstood the rule in the past. As commishs we are simply trying to make sure we enforce the rules as directed by the league. If you feel a manager should be able to optin or out every year, please vote that way and perhaps enough will agree with you to change the rule back to the way it was when we started the league.

As far as how much you've won, I don't know. If you make the playoffs, you can do no worse than get your money back.
 
38Myboyjack
      Dude
      ID: 014826271
      Sun, Sep 07, 2008, 20:51 		I certainly misunderstood the rule then. i never would have dreamed that participating in the prize pool once meant you were in it forever or kicked out of the league.

I thought just as AF did. Frankly, if the rule is/remains as Ref stated, I have no interest in participaring at all.
 
41Action Figure
      ID: 1471946
      Sun, Sep 07, 2008, 23:58 		I wasn't able to draft very well this year because of my lack of Internet access, if Deep Snapper hadn't been as kind as he was I would have really been in trouble. I don't blame anyone for my draft situation this year, I was just debating weather or not I should throw $15 away. Yea Yea blah blah blah. I know many think it should be mandatory for this reason but I disagree and I will vote that way.

I never wanted any rule to be "changed for AF" I figured if I didn't participate in the pool then sure you could remove me from future pool participation. I gave it some thought last night and decided I'll throw in my 15 and see what happens.

Today I see some sort of league vote "should we kick AF out of the league if he doesn't participate in the prize pool. I have a problem with that because THAT was never a rule.
 
42Frick
      Donor
      ID: 3410101718
      Mon, Sep 08, 2008, 00:09 		I agree with MBJ. My understanding with this and the G20 league was that you had to opt in to be in. If you didn't you couldn't opt-in at a later date. But if you were in and decided you wanted out, you could opt-out, but never back in.

 
43Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Sep 08, 2008, 12:14 		You know, that's why we were asking the league.

We don't want anyone to leave this league because of money. We don't want drama at all. I am not even that comfortable with the money aspect of this league in the first place. Money seems to screw stuff up. That's why I won't ever be treasurer or even handle money. I would just as soon there not be a prize pool at all. The inital reason to have it was to give incentive to all teams to keep trying to get better and because Guru might get some extra donations because of it.

We felt surely by seeing the phrasse kicked out, the league would let him opt out. The league wanted to make the prize pool mandatory, but we reminded everyone that when we started the league that it was voluntary, so the league decided that if a manager wanted out they had to get out now or else they had to always be in or always be out. Cards does the fees so late as it's already known who is in and who is out...but I digress.

As far as the voting goes, we've got just over half the league responding thus far. Several did not prioritize. I'm not going to give away the vote while it's ongoing but I will tell you that all four options have votes and I am not sure we're going to be able to get a majority result. It might have to be tabled for more discussion before next year. However, getting some interesting results thus far for the pool amt (if any) and the plaque.

If we end up "keeping it as it is," then I also want the language crystal clear to everyone what that means. Instead of always in or always out, perhaps it shoud be in or always out? Ugh more votes...;)

Let's remember that this is football and our unique twist on things is designed to keep thing entertainging and difficult and force managers to make tough decisions. It is not an easy league and requires some time and thought. If the prize pool is taking away from that then perhaps we need to do away with it. If it adds to the enjoyment and excitement, then let's fashion it in a way that everyone can live with regardless of their level of interest/enjoyment.
 
44Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Sep 08, 2008, 12:21 		Frick, we will also have this discussion before the seasons of the other two leagues.
 
45Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Sep 08, 2008, 18:44 		Well 23 of 24 are in. Yokel hasn't bee nable to vote yet but I'm sure he would do so this evening.

1. Discarded

2.
A. No Pool at all: 3
B. Leave it the same: 10
C. Voluntary every year: 6
D. Mandatory: 3
Abstain: 1

When you figure the priority votes (even though not everyone prioritized) then B has a clear majority. We will get the language figured out before next season so everyone is on the same page. Then if there needs to be further votes or re-votes, etc. then we can do that then in plenty of time before the season starts. Interestingly enough, Cards and I both voted for A, no prize pool at all.

3.
A: Leave Pool at $15: 18
B: Up it to $25: 3
Abstain: 2

I have gotten some messages from people in the past that wwe should up it (even considerably) so only serious players would play and make the league even tougher. Cards and I are both opposed to this. While we want the league to be very active, this league is supposed to be for fun and not a money league.

4.
A: Continue Plaque: 8
B: Dump Plaque: 13
Abstain: 2

Cards and I both are really tired of messing with this plaque. Trying to get people to get the plaque engraved and sent it to the next person is difficult. Most just (finally) send it back to Cards w/o engraving. We had no idea though that so many were ready to dump it as well. We were basically doing it for you guys and a majority doens't even want it!!! However, there are a few who really want to keep it going. Great One emailed us a web site where we could do customized annual trophies. We don't have to do the bobblehead shown, but for example the one shown is $7 plus $10 shipping. Then that manager could just keep it. Just snap a photo of it and email it to me for the web site. That would be a lot cheaper than what we're doing now. The extra cash from this year's plaque fund could go toward the site fee--reducing fees for next year.
 
46Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Sep 08, 2008, 19:40 		Yokel did vote.

His vote is:
2. B
3. B
4. B
 
47Myboyjack
      Dude
      ID: 014826271
      Mon, Sep 08, 2008, 20:24 		Ref- I guess I'd like to know if "leave it the same" means people who decide, for whatever reason, that they no longer wish to be in the "prize pool" will be kicked out of the league. Is that the state of the rule that has been retained?
 
48Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Sep 08, 2008, 22:08 		We will get the language figured out before next season so everyone is on the same page. Then if there needs to be further votes or re-votes, etc. then we can do that then in plenty of time before the season starts.
 
49Myboyjack
      Dude
      ID: 014826271
      Mon, Sep 08, 2008, 22:11 		I read fine. Thanks. I'd like to know the state of the rule. Is it unknown?
 
50Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Sep 08, 2008, 22:47 		mbj, I didn't make the rule, the league did. The state of the rule, as you read, will stay the same. The league will be asked to interpret and clarify the rule well before next season. Others were interpreting the rule the same as Cards and I. Still others were interpreting it that you could opt out at some point and then never get back in.
 
51TB
      ID: 395122110
      Tue, Sep 09, 2008, 00:55 		It is a real kick in the nuts watching the Raiders get their butts kicked while the Raider DST is costing me a 2-0 week. Very depressing start to the season. Rob Ryan is the worst coordinator in the NFL.
 
52Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Sep 09, 2008, 01:02 		I was looking at that TB. I really needed Fargas to do some work tonight but is getting zero blocking. Looks like I'm going to have the 2nd highest score this week and get beat. Even if I did win, Doug would be in that situation. At least someone named the Raiders are doing well!!! ;)
 
53Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Sep 09, 2008, 01:10 		Oh wow, Fargas almost won the game for me. Now all I need is a TD from him. Man he broke that one wide open. That was the highlight of the game for me thus far.
 
54Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Sep 09, 2008, 01:19 		TB, looks like Curry saved you in garbage time. Bad news for Fargas and my team, but at least I got a split.
 
55beastiemiked
      ID: 37820312
      Tue, Sep 09, 2008, 09:14 		Am I missing something? My total score shows 93.54 but has Keith Rivers receiving 0 points. From the cincy boxscore, he had 9 tackles and 1 Atk. I'm assuming they'll probably fix it but just seems odd that he would show up with 0 points.
 
56Perm Dude
      ID: 20815719
      Tue, Sep 09, 2008, 09:16 		Seems there are some defensive numbers to be adjusted.
 
57Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Sep 09, 2008, 10:04 		55: NFL.com agrees with you. I'll make the neg. yards adjustments but everyone should know that the scores are not final.
 
58Action Figure
      ID: 1185289
      Tue, Sep 09, 2008, 10:57 		"The league will be asked to interpret and clarify the rule well before next season. Others were interpreting the rule the same as Cards and I. Still others were interpreting it that you could opt out at some point and then never get back in."

There has never been a rule that if you decide to withdraw from a "fun pool" then you will be kicked out of this league, that would be absurd. If anybody actually believes that was the rule I would love to hear from them and if so I would be more interested in seeing the wording that made them think so.
 
59beastiemiked
      ID: 37820312
      Tue, Sep 09, 2008, 14:38 		From a post by Ref way back when:


Remember that because managers were picking and choosing in the various leagues about when to be in the prize pool because how they thought there team would be, many managers were calling for a requirement to be in the prize pool in order to play. RFS and myself came up with a compromise that said that from now on it is still voluntary but starting with this year you would either be in or out every year. We don't want anyone to have to drop out due to finances. It's obviously not a money thing. I will also take this one step farther. If anyone is in this year and subsequently for some reason don't feel like they can be in it in the future due to finances, we will work with them and perhaps let them opt out depending on what is involved on a case by case basis. (Need to confer with rfs on this as he's the treasurer in all of our leagues now and I am a co-commish in every league).


I think this is fair. However, dropping out because you don't think your team can compete is not a valid reason, IMO.


 
60Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Sep 09, 2008, 19:28 		Trade between Coyotes Broncos and CTs Cardinals approved. If you have alerts on you should get an email.

I'll start working on the overall records soon. At least Rivers' score isn't correct still. CBS has been really good at getting missing scores posted quickly in the past but my guess is that it might not be until tomorrow at this point.
 
61Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Sep 10, 2008, 14:47 		bmd: Rivers points are there today and I'm assuming that the scores are all now final.

11 people participated in Pick-ems in week 1. Remember, we drop the low week (basically so if you for got a week it wouldn't kill your season) so those who forgot can still get in this week.
 
63Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Fri, Sep 12, 2008, 15:05 		Overall Franchise Standings and Records have been posted in the Football Leagues page.
 
64Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sat, Sep 13, 2008, 15:09 		There are reports that the Bal@Hou game will not be played this week at all. It will definitely not be at Reliant Stadium as the roof was damaged by Ike. Check the latest news and set your linups accordingly.
 
65Frick
      ID: 23117516
      Mon, Sep 15, 2008, 08:24 		Are we required to have a legal starting roster, or can you leave a position empty?
 
66Great One
      ID: 7827815
      Mon, Sep 15, 2008, 11:09 		Scheffler made a special teams tackle yesterday I noticed. Is that something I'll get credit for? Yahoo does this... like a QB will get credit for a tackle he makes after throwing an INT.

This only gets credited in leagues with IDP.

 
67StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Mon, Sep 15, 2008, 12:01 		From the rules (last part of section II, Draft)

"Your roster must be valid to score points"

 
68Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Sep 15, 2008, 12:09 		65: If you leave a position empty, CBS will forfeit you for the week

66: Only IDPs receive points for tackles
 
69TB
      ID: 395122110
      Tue, Sep 16, 2008, 17:25 		I see I am getting pretty lucky with pick 'ems so far.
 
70Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Sep 17, 2008, 00:08 		69: I tried something different this week. I put no time into pick-ems. I just went through the list in about 15 secs or so. The first week I spent like 5-10 mins on it. Well turns out I got 13 in both weeks. I guess with the bye game I should have spent some time on it but oh well. I'm usually decent at this game even though I can't pick real NFL games to save my life it would seem.

Adjustments are complete. I'll get the overall standings and record book updated sometime this week.
 
71TB
      ID: 395122110
      Wed, Sep 17, 2008, 12:47 		I made all my week two picks based on which team scored more points in week one. I might stick with that same plan; just pick who has the most points YTD, even through the bye weeks.
 
72Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Sep 17, 2008, 18:14 		Standings updated in football leagues forum.
 
73Great One
      ID: 12858611
      Sun, Sep 21, 2008, 14:30 		Those on the hunt for a top RB - I'm still trying to acquire a Tier 1 WR... I can package some sort of combo of Ronnie Brown, Mendenhall along with Santana Moss to get it done.
 
74Great One
      ID: 12858611
      Sun, Sep 21, 2008, 14:47 		Never realized you don't get credit for a tackle when you get a sack, which means a sack is only 1 point better than a regular old tackle. That seems like it should be higher to me. For whatever reason I thought you got both when you sacked the QB and it was a 3 point play.
 
75Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sun, Sep 21, 2008, 16:44 		I've never heard of not getting credit for a tackle when you get a sack. Even with that credit, we were going to bring up adding a point to sack this year, but I forgot about it and no one else brought it up. I there is a discrepency, it will likely be fixed later.

The reason we didn't give the 3 pts for a sack off the bat was because of the tackle. But an INT, which we gave an extra point for, also get PDs many times included with that INT.
 
76Great One
      ID: 12858611
      Sun, Sep 21, 2008, 17:17 		Yeah, I think we all had the same line of thinking there... I just noticed when when I looked at Joey Porter's first half. 2 Sacks was his line and only 4 points. I was kind of underwhelmed by that. To me sacks for a DL should be equivalent to an INT for a DB. LB's do a bit of each with more focus on the tackles for the core of their score.
 
77Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sun, Sep 21, 2008, 18:30 		Here is hte offical play by play from the NFL:

1-7-MIA 7 (7:34) 16-M.Cassel sacked at MIA 12 for -5 yards (55-J.Porter).

1-10-MIA 28 (5:37) 32-L.Jordan right guard to MIA 26 for 2 yards (24-R.Hill, 55-J.Porter).

2-6-NE 33 (:49) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 16-M.Cassel sacked at NE 25 for -8 yards (55-J.Porter).

3-3-NE 44 (14:20) 16-M.Cassel scrambles up the middle to NE 45 for 1 yard (55-J.Porter). FUMBLES (55-J.Porter), RECOVERED by MIA-97-P.Merling at NE 49.

1-10-NE 42 (4:59) 5-K.O'Connell sacked at NE 40 for -2 yards (55-J.Porter).

1-10-NE 26 (6:05) NE 5-O'Connell now at QB. 5-K.O'Connell pass short right to 86-D.Thomas to NE 30 for 4 yards (55-J.Porter).
-------------------

That's 5.5 tackles just like CBS has. You did get your credit for tackles with your sacks. Everything looks accurate:

J. Porter DL-LB-DB MIA 38 @ NE 13 (F) 3 SACK, ATK, FF, 5 TK 13.5
 
78Great One
      ID: 12858611
      Sun, Sep 21, 2008, 21:08 		Sounds good to me, perhaps the live scoring just doesn't have the tackles with the sacks for whatever reason.

Cause it had 2 sacks and nothing else next to it by Porters name. But then other players had credit for their tackles, so it didn't make much sense.

 
79Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Sep 22, 2008, 00:01 		Yeah they are delayed at times. Live Scoring is unofficial. But CBS' live scoring is in real time and is generally accurate.
 
80Frick
      ID: 23117516
      Mon, Sep 22, 2008, 08:24 		Wow, could be a make or break week for my season. I'm up 2 points on the Texans with Chris Chambers vs. Thomas Jones.

I'm up 5 points with Chris Chambers vs L Tomlinson.

Normally I would concede the Tomlinson match-up, but since he is questionable, I have a chance.

Either way going 2-0 for the week or 0-2, I wouldn't be surprised.
 
81Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Sep 22, 2008, 10:32 		I'm in the same boat.
 
82Slizz
      ID: 22813187
      Tue, Sep 23, 2008, 11:37 		TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT

Slizz's Bills and GO's Jets have agreed to the following:

Slizz's BillsJerricho Cotchery, WR, NYJAdalius Thomas, LB, NEP

for

GO's JetsSantonio Holmes, WR, PITDerrick Burgess, DL, OAK

GO please confirm.

 
83Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Sep 23, 2008, 11:48 		Slizz, not necessary. It's already approved and been sent to every owner.

Adjustments complete. So many close games last night. I was watching the af/go game and shade/tb's gmaes the most. sahe lost the game in garbage time. lt single-handedly won the game for af as his scores was double when GO'a Jets lost points.

Nice bell curve on the standings. Any given week it seems...

Promize killed in Pick-ems. Several of us stunk. Remember we drop the low week in the first 13 weeks.
 
84Great One
      ID: 78231812
      Tue, Sep 23, 2008, 14:18 		When planning my season, I hoped Mendenhall was getting a few carries by Week 4 so I could start him with Addai and Ronnie out. Well that worked out nicely! lol... hopefully The Undertaker leaves Baltimore R.I.P on Monday Night! :0

Is there a rebuilding team that has a pretty good defense for sale? I am looking for an alternate defense to pair with the Jets so I don't have to send them out there in weeks with bad matchups like last night.

 
85TB
      ID: 395122110
      Wed, Sep 24, 2008, 00:54 		I don't think it worked out that nicely, especially with Manning already on his bye week. I'm hoping he can come back from his bye and look a bit more like the Manning of old. I'm also hoping Parker comes back healthy very soon.
 
86Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Fri, Sep 26, 2008, 01:10 		Records updated
 
87StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Fri, Sep 26, 2008, 11:39 		I'm going through and entering payments I've received so far.

My records indicate that I still need payments from:
Toral (I know about this delay already)
Slizz
mjd
CC Rider
Shade
Twarpy
Frick

Please let me know if you have sent something and I have failed to credit you or missed the payment somewhere. The payment information can be found on the league message board at cbs if you no longer have it (click on Full Message List and it was posted on 8/19).

Thanks,
StLCards
 
88 beastiemiked
      ID: 528592014
      Fri, Sep 26, 2008, 22:41 		I need a quarterback for this week. Want just a filler since I have Eli.
 
89beastiemiked
      ID: 528592014
      Sat, Sep 27, 2008, 19:09 		Anybody? Hit me up on AIM at beastiemikd.
 
90Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sun, Sep 28, 2008, 14:12 		Cle DB Eric Wright just got an INT and then fumbled it back. I konw we have to make a manual adjustment for that, but need to check the rules to remind me (if anyone has the player/D in question starting).
 
91Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sun, Sep 28, 2008, 14:18 		Ok, I have to take two points off Eric Wright and Browns DST. MJD didn't start the Browns so that is moot. Twarpy did start Wright. Still he nets 2 poin s on the play +4 for the INT and -2 for the FL.
 
92Slizz
      ID: 22813187
      Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 10:48 		Cards, sorry about that, i'll paypal it over to you! I have it sitting in my inbox and just havent gotten around to it.

I'll include shade's payment as well.

 
93Frick
      ID: 23117516
      Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 12:43 		Cards, I must have missed your earlier post, I'll get it to you shortly.
 
94Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Sep 29, 2008, 14:35 		Hey Frick, GLB needs your attention when you get a chance.
 
95 Great One
      ID: 428262410
      Tue, Sep 30, 2008, 09:01 		Mendenhall is going on the trade block for a rebuilding team I guess... let me know.
 
96Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Sep 30, 2008, 13:53 		Adjustments made. Three record breakers in Pick-ems.
 
97Great One
      ID: 428262410
      Tue, Sep 30, 2008, 14:18 		Ref - how does that work anyway? I'm curious. Do you input all the data into a spreadsheet of some sort and it pops up the records? We all appreciate the work.
 
98Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 17:40 		Records updated.

No I manually go through them all.

For first page, I just copy record and pf/pa in a spreadsheet. Find High points and any score over 130.

For records page I simply compare every week to records. It was a pain setting things up so late and the changes in IDPs threw some wrenches in things, but all in all it shows some milestones and gives players a chance to shoot for things (or in some cases to get their names off of lists). Hopefully it has some entertainment value of how each franchise has fared over the years.
 
99Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Oct 01, 2008, 17:41 		It would be great to have some grat macro or something but it's probably quicker just retyping all that info than figuring that out. Doesn't take a long time.
 
100TB
      ID: 395122110
      Thu, Oct 02, 2008, 00:22 		I no longer find the same enjoyment playing fantasy sports and think this will be my last season. I will stay active for the remainder of the season, but if you want to find a replacement manager, I'd be happy to let him co-manage with me this season.
 
101Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Oct 02, 2008, 12:22 		Sorry to hear that TB. You've been a quality manager with a team good enough to win it all yet this year.

Got a couple trades we're reviewing right now...
 
102Great One
      ID: 2936213
      Thu, Oct 02, 2008, 14:54 		TB, we can really work on a deal for McFadden if it'll help :) Never good to see anyone go.
 
103TB
      ID: 395122110
      Fri, Oct 03, 2008, 00:22 		LOL - thanks GO. My interest in playing fantasy football has been dwindling for years, but I've hung on because it's the last fantasy sport I still play. I could try to say that maybe I just need a break, but I know I'm just no longer interested in doing the research or management of a team and am giving up all my teams and leagues. I just want to enjoy watching football games and not worry about fantasy implications. We've found some excellant fantasy managers to fill holes the last couple seasons and new blood is always good for the league.
 
104Great One
      ID: 56911412
      Sun, Oct 05, 2008, 11:38 		Porter awarded another sack 4th Sack vs. NE

I was all excited this might push me past that tight game last week, but I forgot it was from two weeks ago. Those 2 games weren't close. Oh well.

Did we ever figure out if we could set a different lineup for each of our 2 games?

 
105StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Sun, Oct 05, 2008, 12:08 		yes, the answer is no
 
106Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Oct 06, 2008, 22:13 		This added active position w/o an accomodating bench spot hurts. I like it because it makes the managers make tough decisions, but it hurts when you have a lot of guys on byes the same week.
 
107Great One
      ID: 2936213
      Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 10:10 		What is the "WKS" header in the standings thread?
 
108Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Oct 07, 2008, 10:22 		WKS=High Score for the week.

I didn't see any negative yards which leads me to believe that they aren't added in yet. CBS gets weird about that at times. I will recheck it again tomorrow.
 
109Great One
      ID: 56911412
      Wed, Oct 08, 2008, 22:18 		Looks like I might need to acquire a TE... so either I'd package Scheffler for a (healthy) big time TE, or perhaps something really small like Devery Henderson or a mid round pick for a below average stopgap option. Scheff is only 25 and is in that big time offense now, so when healthy he's gonna be a top guy for sure.

Hit me up if you got a random extra TE.

 
110TB
      ID: 395122110
      Thu, Oct 09, 2008, 01:07 		I drafted Scheffler in 2006 (also Rashied Davis and Brandon Marshall) and dropped him the same season. Looks like Green bay added and dropped him a couple times in 2007. We really don't have the keeper levels of a dynasty league to hang on to many developing players, especially those who don't make an impact right away.
 
111Great One
      ID: 2936213
      Thu, Oct 09, 2008, 11:08 		Lets make a move for 15 keepers! :)
 
112Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Oct 09, 2008, 13:04 		CBS has dropped the ball. They haven't posted any neg yards, yet goign through the NFL stats on CBS, it shows guys with neg yards. I'm going to have to go through the stats to find out the neg deductions. It really stinks because they prob won't matter anyhow, but those tiebreakers at the end of the year can be very close at times--not to mention some of the scores on a week by week basis.
 
113Great One
      ID: 2936213
      Thu, Oct 09, 2008, 14:42 		Can I get my extra points for Porters sack then? I never realized how close things get. Ya know, never being a contender before and what not.
 
115Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Oct 09, 2008, 15:09 		Going to have to check the rules on that. If CBS automatcially puts it in, that's one thing, but rules spell out things about when we can change scoring.
 
116Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Oct 09, 2008, 15:16 		Turns out, after going through all the games, CBS has it right afterall. Turns out that all the neg. yards gained were on people's benches. So no adjustments this week.
 
117Peter N.
      ID: 499310
      Thu, Oct 09, 2008, 23:27 		Does anybody have a warm body at TE available for the Falcons D/ST?
 
118Great One
      ID: 56911412
      Sun, Oct 12, 2008, 13:21 		Points allowed includes defensive TD's by the other team? (showing 7 points allowed for my Jets D after that Cincy fumble return TD).
 
120Frick
      ID: 23117516
      Mon, Oct 13, 2008, 08:11 		I'm hoping for a high scoring game tonight, since I'm going up against both D/STs.

If I lose both of these games I'll be interested in trading for prospects/draft picks. The is probably more true if Carson Palmer is done for the year, which could be possible according to some of the reports that I've seen.
 
121Perm Dude
      ID: 11935149
      Tue, Oct 14, 2008, 10:45 		It's about damn time I went 2-0. Even with Derek Anderson on my bench, things are looking pretty good, finally.
 
122Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Oct 14, 2008, 14:19 		Adjustments made.

Re: 118 That wsa brought up in year 2 and was defeated. I brought it bck up last eyar and it got little support and was withdrawn.

Horrible week for pick-ems. My picks were the worst and I even got my teams games right.
 
123Great One
      ID: 2936213
      Wed, Oct 15, 2008, 09:17 		Thats pretty strange.
What was the rationalization of those against that? That all points scored against the team should count vs. all the points scored against the defense/special teams?

I can see that point of view, but I have the defense/special teams, and they didn't allow 6 on that play. Perhaps I'm just used to Yahoo not counting those.

 
124Great One
      ID: 2936213
      Wed, Oct 15, 2008, 09:20 		Now picking a D/ST has to take into account whether the QB of your team (re:Favre for me) throws picks that get run back a lot...

Good thing Drew Bledsoe isn't in the league anymore, he was the king of that!

 
125Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Oct 15, 2008, 13:16 		Well one great point is that if a D picks it and gets it back to the one or even in FG pos, then that would count against that D--even though the D wasn't responsible for that either.
 
126skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Wed, Oct 15, 2008, 16:38 		Trade with Saints (Pennington) includes my 1st for his 4th.
 
127beastiemiked
      ID: 51913818
      Wed, Oct 15, 2008, 16:54 		I'd like to do away with the points allowed by the offense count against the defense.
 
128Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Oct 15, 2008, 17:23 		Well we can bring that up again since it may have enough support to get to a vote next season. If that lowers PA, then we might also have to look at DST points too. Just a thought.

Also the value of a sack going from 2 points to as much as 3 is on the agenda (since we forgot to bring it up pre-season).
 
129Perm Dude
      ID: 159361515
      Wed, Oct 15, 2008, 17:27 		#127: I would certainly second that.
 
130TB
      ID: 094599
      Wed, Oct 15, 2008, 19:40 		I'd like to get rid of D/ST altogether and the random scoring it provides. We already use IDP. I never quite understand why you'd also use a team defense.
 
131Slizz
      ID: 22813187
      Thu, Oct 16, 2008, 09:01 		I never thought of it until now...but TB makes a great point. We don't start "Team Offenses", and now that we have multiple positions in IDP...Other than tradition, I cant think of a reason to keep the DST as a roster spot.

If we got rid of D/ST, I believe we would have to alter the stats of defensive scoring: I.E. 3 point Sacks/INTs.

Also, what would we do with Rosters?

Keep them the same size, do what RIFC did and create 3 Defensive Flex positions?

Same # of Keepers?

Thoughts?

 
132Toral
      ID: 575542418
      Fri, Oct 17, 2008, 09:54 		I myself have never understood the argument that there is something wrong with having both D/STs and IDPs. When a QB completes a pass the QB and WR both receive points. Anything wrong with that?

But...

In a league this size D/STs are a nuisance. If you wait too long in the draft you could be without them and go winless for having an illegal roster. There's something kind of grungy about the business of trading to get a bye week D/ST. Besides D/ST is a weird combination category anyway. Sort of like having a baseball category of "Doubles on offence plus Pitching holds".

Individual points on ST suddenly make IDPs more interesting.

So I could support getting rid of D/ST.
 
133Slizz
      ID: 33951713
      Fri, Oct 17, 2008, 14:27 		Another good point by Toral!

Anyhow, this is definitely something I think we should revisit once the season concludes.

 
134Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sat, Oct 18, 2008, 21:04 		I'll get caught up on the record book soon.
 
135Promize
      ID: 24854246
      Sun, Oct 19, 2008, 19:52 		Hmm, who'd of thought no QB, 1 RB, no TE I would beat the 9-3 Colts... That last minute kicker pick up paid off...
 
136Great One
      ID: 56911412
      Sun, Oct 19, 2008, 20:45 		My entire team was nearly outscored by just NYG D, Terrel Suggs and a kicker...
 
137TB
      ID: 094599
      Sun, Oct 19, 2008, 21:12 		I myself have never understood the argument that there is something wrong with having both D/STs and IDPs. When a QB completes a pass the QB and WR both receive points. Anything wrong with that?

That is comparing apples and oranges. To be similar, whoever owns the team would also get 6 points for their "offense" scoring a TD. If two IDP both get credit for a tackle, they both get points. In leagues that score FF and FR, one IDP can get credit for the FF while the other gets credit for the FR and if he laterals the ball and that guys scores, then another IDP can get points for the TD.

We are talking about player scoring verses team scoring. I got it that it usually isn't an issue to use both scoring in typical leagues, but this is a large league and 32 is the absolute limit on viable "players' for the position. Even back-up QB's and kickers that aren't slated as opening day starters can have value in this league because of injuries or performance, but there are only 32 defenses.
 
138Toral
      ID: 575542418
      Sun, Oct 19, 2008, 22:49 		Right. Your last paragraph repeats the point I made in my post. Thanx for the support.
 
139TB
      ID: 094599
      Sun, Oct 19, 2008, 23:56 		My last paragraph certainly supports everything you said after the portion I italicized. My entire post wasn't being critical of what you said. I agreed with everything other than the comparison you made.
 
140Perm Dude
      ID: 21940198
      Mon, Oct 20, 2008, 00:28 		I might have just lost my game by less than 1.5 points.
 
141Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Oct 21, 2008, 10:38 		re: 140

Nope, looks like you lost by 5.36. However, look at the 49ers/Bears game. A .02 difference!

Stinks losign both games whe you have a decent score when so many teams who two games with a lot less, but that's the way it goes.
 
142Promize
      ID: 24854246
      Tue, Oct 21, 2008, 19:08 		AF, what is your email?
The one you have listed bounced back...
Wanted to ask you about a player or two you have on the block
 
143StLCards
      ID: 372301819
      Tue, Oct 21, 2008, 22:51 		hmm, if you adjust for Orton's -2 rushing yds?
 
144StLCards
      ID: 372301819
      Tue, Oct 21, 2008, 22:53 		j/k, I know you already did that. If only I would have started Darling and his 1.1 pts instead of B Jones and his 0!
 
145skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Thu, Oct 23, 2008, 14:56 		GB/Jets trade includes the Jets 4th rounder for GBs 7th.
 
146Great One
      ID: 298238
      Thu, Oct 23, 2008, 17:08 		Confirmed.
 
147Great One
      ID: 298238
      Thu, Oct 23, 2008, 18:31 		Sweet... check out my injury riddled bench.

Cutler (not broke? hopefully)
Addai
McFadden
Cotchery
Scheffler
and thats after losing, Nugent, Mendenhall and my backup QB Ramsay for the season... lord.

 
148Great One
      ID: 298238
      Fri, Oct 24, 2008, 09:04 		Its not like I said, "well it can't get any worse!" and jinxed it, right?

Santonio Holmes may be subject to suspension after being cited for marijuana possession.

 
149Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Fri, Oct 24, 2008, 13:26 		Records updated in Legaeu Standings.
 
150Promize
      ID: 24854246
      Sat, Oct 25, 2008, 09:51 		Anyone have a working email for AF Falcons?
 
151Slackjawed Yokel
      ID: 48911511
      Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 16:40 		wow, Leon Washington with a career game as soon as I deal him. With the influx of wide receivers, Ginn and his 175 yards ended up on my bench as well... can't complain about Moss's effort though.
 
152Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 18:04 		I thought of you during the game, Yokel.
 
153Slackjawed Yokel
      ID: 48911511
      Sun, Oct 26, 2008, 19:00 		Well, it looks like Matt Jones came through in the second game allowing me to break 100 for the first time all season. In fact, there's a chance I'll win both matchups for maybe the first time ever.
 
154Great One
      ID: 298238
      Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 13:22 		Ref - could you have had any easier matchups this week? geesh... you are gonna be impossible to catch with those breaks! :)
 
155Great One
      ID: 298238
      Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 13:23 		Yeah, Jones and Moss are two darn good players... but gotta get my man Leon where he belongs - The Jets!
 
156Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 13:47 		154: I don't even want to hear it!

At least three of my losses are QUALITY Losses. If I can manage to win both my games this week it would be sweet redemption. I need the Titans to get me some points. mjd still has guys going. His RB scares me against the porous Indy Run D.
 
157Action Figure
      ID: 69182712
      Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 14:18 		Anyone have a working email for AF Falcons?

Updated
 
158Great One
      ID: 298238
      Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 14:38 		I guess that all seems to average out in the end... and is the bonus of the 2 game a week system.

I gotta keep finding a way to put up 100 each week til the end and hopefully the wins will come.

 
159Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Oct 27, 2008, 23:40 		Well crap. Hate losing in garbage time.
 
160mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 12:03 		That surely was garbage time, Ref. That game was over a long time
before it actually ended.

GO-got your trade offer. I'll be out most of today, but I'll have a
closer look at it tonight/tomorrow. Nice offer though. Looks good
so far.
 
161Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 13:16 		Lots of adjustments today. Cards' 49ers can't catch a break!

I'm in the market for a QB...and a RB...and actaully lots of stuff!!! ;)
 
163mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 19:46 		Trade announcement

Jets trade
Ronnie Bown, RB
Taylor Mehlhuff, K
Chad Pennington, QB

Chargers trade
Bills D/ST
Chris Johnson, RB
Kris Brown, K
 
164Great One
      ID: 56911412
      Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 19:50 		Lets go Jets! got rid of my damn Dolphin :)
 
165 mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 19:54 		Got my 2nd QB, but now need a bye week defense.
 
166Great One
      ID: 56911412
      Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 21:26 		Hope you didn't have big plans for Saints kicker, they cut him! (8:16 PM on Rotoworld)... I know you had another kicker, so not a huge deal, but still funny.

Sorry bout that, i was just trying to cover the bye week with that add on to the deal.

 
167mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Tue, Oct 28, 2008, 22:12 		Fortunately no. Probably waver wire fodder to fill in for a bye week
player.

My other kicker has had his bye.
 
168StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Thu, Oct 30, 2008, 14:40 		Please refer to post 87 about payments and let me know if anyone has sent me a payment. Maybe I missed something in the mail and need to look for it. I have bumped the original payment information on the cbs message board to the top as well for reference.
 
169Great One
      ID: 298238
      Fri, Oct 31, 2008, 16:21 		I'd certainly look at some offers to move McFadden if some teams looking at next year have something that can kickstart me this year.
 
170Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 09:39 		Pick-ems Standings:

Sea 125
chi 124
bal 122
Phi 121
jax 113
ind 113
nyj 112
 
171Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Nov 05, 2008, 17:37 		The Thursday night games begin this week -- It's Denver @ Cleveland for tomorrow.
 
172Frick
      ID: 29101367
      Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 08:13 		Trade Announcement

Frick Trades
Marion Barber and his 2009 Round 6 pick

for

Promize's 2009 Round 2 pick and Laurence Maroney

 
173Twarpy
      Leader
      ID: 386242821
      Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 10:40 		???
 
174Promize
      ID: 24854246
      Thu, Nov 06, 2008, 17:29 		I approve this trade :)
 
175TB
      ID: 339423013
      Fri, Nov 07, 2008, 01:53 		Damn Thursday night games. Oh well, doing pick'ems was getting boring anyway.
 
176TB
      ID: 339423013
      Fri, Nov 07, 2008, 01:55 		And on that trade, Laurence Maroney and the next two years of first round picks aren't worth Marion Barber. If it goes through, congrats to Promize.
 
177JTSERB
      Donor
      ID: 481020120
      Fri, Nov 07, 2008, 02:03 		Sorry for lurking.....

But as a former member of this league. Yea I know what a whole 4 days???

That trade above can't be serious can it?
 
178Promize
      ID: 24854246
      Fri, Nov 07, 2008, 07:17 		Well, if you all go through my past I don't do much trading at all... But when I do I try to make the most of it.

I asked Frick if he be interested in Maroney and something else for Barber... He said #1 pick and Maroney.. I originally got Maroney with my #1 pick I believe.. So we went with a #2.

Barber splitting carries with F.Jones... so don't see the problem..

Last 3 years Maroney: (Out most of 2008 and missing Superbowl QB leading the team.)
1673 yds rushing avg = 4.3 yds
310 yds receiving avg = 11.9 yds

Last 3 years Barber: (Continue this year and next sharing with F. Jones)
2294 yds rushing avg = 4.4 yds
742 yds receiving avg = 7.42 yds

Frick looking at next year and I'm looking at this year... So whats the problem? To be honest I really don't think I need to justify the trade.

Two owners who agreed with a trade.
 
179Great One
      ID: 42102515
      Fri, Nov 07, 2008, 09:14 		Hey, I got rejected when I offered Ronnie Brown AND Santana Moss for Maroney earlier this year lol... of course nobody wanted them then when I was practically giving them away...
 
180Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Fri, Nov 07, 2008, 09:49 		Trade: I've gotten some opposition to this deal privately, but I'm still leaning toward approving it. Yes, it's lopsided--but IMM not so much to veto it. Obviously there is no colusion here and no bye-week hanky-panky. Should Frick have gotten more? IMM, absolutely. But we all value players differently. Unless someone can show me why this should be vetoed, I'll be approving it.
 
181Great One
      ID: 42102515
      Fri, Nov 07, 2008, 10:32 		Yeah, its just like the Boldin for DeShaun/Cedric deal in F101. My opinion is I like one side much better. But thats not a reason to veto. Frick thinks Maroney is gonna bounce back... thats why you manage a team, thats why you makes moves - to try and shakes things up and get better. At least he's got the guts to make a move instead of just sitting on a crap team, not making any deals and hoping it'll miraculously turn around. Those are the teams sitting in the lottery each year.

Maroney wakes back up next season and he uses that pick to draft somebody late like Slizz did with Hightower this year, then he's got something. Those higher picks are like lottery tickets, and the more ya got, the better.

 
182Frick
      ID: 21027712
      Fri, Nov 07, 2008, 13:27 		i had a couple of reasons for the trade. 1 I don't think Barber is going to last in the NFL. RBs who don't learn to avoid contact have tend to have short carriers, I could be wrong. I think Maroney will bounce back next year. As Manning has shown, it is possible that Brady won't bounce back to his 2007 numbers (due to injury and the fact it is hard to replicate those type of numbers.) Hopefully Maroney can take the next 10 months and get fully healed. He should be able to beat out the rest of the NE backs if he is fully healthy.

I don't have a starting QB at the moment that makes it tough to compete, hopefully I can use the extra 2nd round pick to aquire one, either through trading for a keeper or via the draft.

 
183TB
      ID: 339423013
      Fri, Nov 07, 2008, 19:22 		I wouldn't veto the trade either, but I'm not as optimistic on Maroney returning to form. Then again, can't argue with GO's post either. FWIW, I wasn't one to send an email to Ref. I post my thoughts out in the open.
 
184StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Sat, Nov 08, 2008, 01:29 		and he uses that pick to draft somebody late like Slizz did with Hightower this year, then he's got something

Actually Hightower was a first round pick. I had my eye on him at 1.17 but at the time I was set for RBs so went for a receiver and it came down to Royal or Doucet. Figured Doucet to be the better long term option once Boldin leaves AZ, but now it is looking like I really blew that one.
 
185Promize
      ID: 24854246
      Sat, Nov 08, 2008, 16:38 		I still don't see it being as lopsided as its being played out to be...

Now lets revist one of my other trades moons ago...

W. McGahee for Marcus Polard... Now that was a bit lopsided :)
 
186Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sat, Nov 08, 2008, 20:20 		Promize, that's the only way you trade! ;)
 
187Action Figure
      ID: 481039820
      Sat, Nov 08, 2008, 21:40 		"I don't have a starting QB at the moment that makes it tough to compete, hopefully I can use the extra 2nd round pick to aquire one, either through trading for a keeper or via the draft."

No problem...I'll tell you what I'm gonna do...step right up, have I got a deal for you!

I've got 2 starters that I can sell. I'll sell you one or both if you want, you can go from not looking good at the QB position to having 2 QB's

Make me an offer

AF
 
188Promize
      ID: 24854246
      Sun, Nov 09, 2008, 10:04 		Awwh, it is true I am stingy when it comes to trading... But I enjoy who I like usually year after year.. Bad track record of when I do train they end up I/R..
 
189Great One
      ID: 26943119
      Sun, Nov 09, 2008, 14:40 		Nothing like 40 points from you defense... but you started the OTHER defense haha...
 
190StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Mon, Nov 10, 2008, 10:47 		I have received 3 more payments, but that still leaves the following that I need to hear from.

Toral
mjd
CC Rider
Twarpy
 
191Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Nov 11, 2008, 11:38 		Scoring adjusted.

Pickems Standings:

Bears 137
Seahawks 136
Ravens 131
Eagels 131
Colts 129
Bills 124
Jags 124

If Playoffs started today:

AFC
1. Broncos
2. Colts
3. Raiders
4. Texans

NFC
1. Bears
2. Cowboys
3. Packers
4. Giants
 
193Great One
      ID: 42102515
      Tue, Nov 11, 2008, 16:25 		I am baffled how the heck the Bronco's are 15-5... Coldwater Coyotes is a freakin' magician!!!
 
194Slizz
      ID: 33951713
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 16:14 		Buffalo Bills & New Orleans Saints agree to a trade

Buffalo sends Tarvaris Jackson & their 2009 1st round pick to the Saints for Trent Edwards & the Saints 2009 11th round pick.

Toral please confirm.

 
195Toral
      ID: 575542418
      Wed, Nov 12, 2008, 16:23 		Confirmed.
 
196Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Nov 13, 2008, 13:51 		Remember, there is a game tonight!
 
197Slizz
      ID: 33951713
      Fri, Nov 14, 2008, 12:34 		God help my Bills if i have to go against another QB on Thursday Night Football who puts up 400 yards.

Cutler,Cassel,?

 
198Great One
      ID: 3110581210
      Fri, Nov 14, 2008, 13:35 		I bet you are playing against Fitzpatrick next week... I'll be sure to start him in my other league!
 
199Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Nov 17, 2008, 17:51 		If anyone wants to nominate a manager to take over a team, let me know. We know we will need at least one new manager.
 
200Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Nov 18, 2008, 09:47 		Adjustments made. Lots of close games. Have some teams who have clinched playoffs spots and many who still have a chance. Will try and get the overall franchise records caught up this week.
 
201Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Nov 19, 2008, 20:08 		Playoff Hunt:

AFC
1. Bronos (Clinched berth)
2. Colts (Clinched Div and at least #2 seed)
3. Texans
4. Raiders

In the hunt: Jets, Ravens, Chiefs (others still outside chance)

NFC
1. Bears
2. Cowboys
3. Seahawks
4. Packers

In the hunt: Eagles, Giants, Cards
 
202Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Nov 20, 2008, 18:13 		Franchise Records updated in Football Leagues Forum.

Remember game tonight!
 
203Promize
      ID: 24854246
      Tue, Nov 25, 2008, 08:04 		Hmmm...
Because of my PTS For, looks to me that I have to win both of my final games to clinch my place in the playoffs... Which will be difficult.. Bears and Falcons.
 
204Myboyjack
      Dude
      ID: 014826271
      Tue, Nov 25, 2008, 08:19 		I lost a game because a WR threw an INT? Typical.
 
205 Slizz
      ID: 4710371415
      Tue, Nov 25, 2008, 10:33 		If anybody wants to get on the Gus (Frerotte) for the playoffs, drop me a line...he can be had, cheap.
 
206Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Nov 25, 2008, 14:08 		Looks like the Packers managed to beat the Falcons afterall after CBS added the BFB this morning.

Adjustments made.
 
207Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Nov 25, 2008, 14:13 		Pick-ems Standings:

Bears 167
Seahawks 164
Colts 157
Jags 153
Eagles 150
Bills 150

Last week for double games so this will be the time to really have a big week to try and catch up. 12 games max starting in week 14. Also this week will be the last time you can throw out your low week.
 
208Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Nov 25, 2008, 15:09 		Playoff Race...

Entering the final week of the Regular Season here is where we stand.

AFC
1. Coyotes Broncos - Clinched #1 Seed
2. Ref's Colts - Clinched #2 Seed
3. bmd's Texans - Clinched playoff berth
4. Doug's Raiders - Clinched playoff berth

NFC
1. CCR's Bears 17-7 2671.1 vs 16-8 Seahawks, 8-16 Saints
2. Pete's Cowboys 17-7 2473.2 vs 16-8 Eagles, 7-17 Vikings
3. DS' Eagles 16-8 2527.4 vs 17-7 Cowboys, 12-12 Cards
4. Promize's Seahawks 16-8 2494.3 vs 17-7 Bears, 4-20 Falcons

Still Alive:
*Twarpy's Giants 15-9 2672.8 vs 15-9 Pack, 9-15 49ers
*SJ's Packers 15-9 2663.6 vs 15-9 Giants, 11-13 Rams

Commentary: AFC has the four playoff teams identified. In teh NFC, there is still a possibility that even a 17-7 team doesn't make the playoffs if they lose both games this week. Even one a split could throw one out with the tiebreaker. Several teams could play spoilers while all six teams vying for the four spots play at least one other playoff potential team.

Games to Watch:
#1 Bears Vs. #4 Seahawks - (This could be a playoff preview or it is even mathemetically neither make the playoffs if the Hawks win this game then lose the next and the Bears lose both due to tiebreak.

#2 Cowboys vs #3 Eagles - See previous entry. Same scenario exists though the Eagles ahve more points and the Cowboys have much less.

#5 Giants vs. #6 Packers - Both need to win this game. There are ways they can lose this and win the 2nd game and still make the playoffs, but odds are remote. Two wins would likely get a playoff berth from either of them with their tiebreaker--but still not guaranteed with the worse record.

Looking at the Franchis Records and Standings it shows that while league scoring is up this year by 3 points (we did add one IDP spot), overall high scores are down which shows that teams are much more even than in year's past. We jsut don't have the consistent high scores as we have in the past. Teams breaking the (100/125/130) point barrier are WAY down this season comparitively.

The AFC is down, but lumped up. The NFC is really about the same, but with two more teams still in the hunt. Just shows how much strategizing and working your team comes into play. I can't believe the amount of close games this season.

AFC East
Colts - about what I expected
Underachieved: Ravens, Jets, Bills
Team to watch in future: Jags

AFC West:
Same old same old...
Team to watch: Raiders

NFC North:
Top two teams from last year in the bottom two spots
Team to Watch: Packers

NFC South:
Cowboys: Overachieved
Eagles: I thought would even be a little better
Underachieved: 49ers and Rams
Team to watch in future: Saints

Overall Biggest Bust:

49ers. I thought this team would dominate this year.

Other Busts: Vikings, Cards, Jets, Bills, Ravens Falcons

But watch out for next year as it could be due to injuries or just bad luck!!!

Most Improved during the season: Jags and Packers

Biggest Overachiever: Broncos - Just look at the points for compared to record. They are good, just not THAT good.

Other overachievers: Texans and Seahawks.
 
209StLCards
      ID: 16851187
      Tue, Nov 25, 2008, 16:18 		Yeah, my team was pretty awful this year. Going in to the draft I thought I was in good shape with possibly 4 starting RBs. Right now I have a gimpy Westbrook remaining. Chris Brown hit the IR before the season even started and Selvin Young played in 5 games scoring 9,8,7,4,3 and then hasn't played since. Graham played ok through 9 games before hitting the IR, but only reached the teens is scoring twice. Shockey missed 5 games and really hasn't gotten on track with Brees yet. In a period of 5 games from weeks 6-11 (week 10 bye) TO scored all of 20 points. With my first round draft pick I passed on Royal and took Doucet thinking long term with him, but he's hardly played due to his own injuries, while Royal has been impressive. Last years trade of the PanthersD and my 2nd pick for the ColtsD isn't looking too good now, considering I got bumped in the first round of the playoffs anyway last year.

At least my in season pickup of 3rd string QB Tyler Thigpen looks pretty good, and my IDP has been very good.

I'm guessing my team will rebound somewhat next year, but the competition is stiff. Any teams looking for playoff help should give my team a look. Anybody is available including TO and Westbrook for the right price. Would be looking for younger RBs/WRs with lots of talent for them though.
 
210Slizz
      ID: 4710371415
      Tue, Nov 25, 2008, 19:09 		Nice analysis Ref!

I am definitely disappointed with my team as I thought I had a solid draft, trimmed the excess fat, and positioned myself for a playoff run.

Unfortunately, my squad was slow out the door, caught some fire, but couldn't sustain it.

I have bright building blocks and some solid keepers to work with:

QB - EdwardsRB - MendenhallRB - HightowerRB - WhiteWR - JohnsonWR - ColstonTE - Olsen

I was very surprised how great Matt Forte has been. I remember arguing with TB that Forte is gonna be a terrible fantasy football option given the caliber of the Bears' offensive line, but he has been great. Only thing that worries me is that Lovie is putting alot of mileage on him and he could break down.

Either way, I hope my team can finish strong and make it to .500, which would signal some type of improvement.

 
211TB
      ID: 330252313
      Tue, Nov 25, 2008, 20:32 		Nice analysis, Ref. I was thinking I can't go out like this. I thought I would be a playoff team this year, but Parker being hurt and not having any depth really hurt. I'm going to have to stick around until this team is back on top.
 
212Peter N.
      ID: 1510502117
      Tue, Nov 25, 2008, 22:11 		I agree with most of your analysis there ref. I never know week to week whether I'm going to have a QB or RB. My TE and DL positions have a new face each week. I don't have a team defense. Roy Williams is a ghost. Yet, I have somehow managed a 17-7 record. Don't ask me how! My best guess would be that I'm a genuis and pull the right strings each week. ;-) LOL
 
213Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Nov 25, 2008, 23:05 		Yeah, just something fun I put together. Btw, this is solely MY VIEW or how I had pictured this year would go based on the lineups I saw at the beginning of the year and how records and points have broken down in the luck or consistent factor.
 
214Slizz
      ID: 551055922
      Tue, Nov 25, 2008, 23:32 		I'm very impressed with Yokel's Jaguars. Doormat to a team that is gonna be in the hunt in future seasons. Good Job Yokel!
 
215deepsnapper
      Leader
      ID: 017103420
      Wed, Nov 26, 2008, 12:30 		Guys - sorry if I haven't responded to trades or anything lately. My dad's really sick and I have to make sure my mom's taken care of and that's pretty much taken up the last montb of my time while hopping on 1 leg from my own surgery.

I'll keep my roster set, but that's about all I can do right now.
 
216Slackjawed Yokel
      ID: 3010432311
      Wed, Nov 26, 2008, 16:11 		This Matt Cassell character may be adding some false hopes for my team with his performance of late. Though he is a free agent this year so may get another starting role.

What's killing me though is that this week was the third time that CBS showed me winning a game after MNF game was over, and then I check later in the week and it turns into a loss. In fact, mbj was complaining about losing at 8am on Tuesday. I guess I need to stop paying so much attention to the live stats.
 
217Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Nov 26, 2008, 16:38 		CBS for some reason can't show one of the BFB stat. They usually are dead on though with everything else. If the NFL makes an adjustment, CBS is fixed immediately as well. Much better than Fan Ball, that's for sure.

Trade deadline is Sat at 11:59 pm except the players playing tomorrow. If you have a player going tomorrow, I suggest you make the deal today as I can't promise you I will be around to process it tomorrow.

You may not make an add or drop for the rest of the season after the freeze on Sunday.
 
218Slizz
      ID: 551055922
      Wed, Nov 26, 2008, 17:41 		Same thing happened to me in RIFC Yokel. I was a little disappointed.
 
219StLCards
      ID: 16851187
      Wed, Nov 26, 2008, 18:39 		If you look under the help/glossary it shows all the possible scoring categories and whether they score live or not. All of ours are supposed to score live. Could be a problem with the stat provider I suppose.
 
220Slizz
      ID: 551055922
      Thu, Nov 27, 2008, 17:18 		Happy Thanksgiving Guys!

Best of luck to all in the playoffs...

 
221 Great One
      ID: 5210542516
      Fri, Nov 28, 2008, 11:03 		Hey all, I'm still away... if anyone needs some leftovers (Thanksgiving pun!) for thier playoff run i.e. extra defense, TE, IDP shoot me a draft pick offer... small is fine, 3rd for 5th? 2nd for 4th? etc.

I can check this again tonight around 8 PM so thats when I'll be on to sort through any offers. Email too to make sure I see it if there is someone you want.
 
222Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sat, Nov 29, 2008, 11:39 		Just to make sure Plax doens't play anymore this season, I guess...Plax gets shot Friday night in a club.
 
223Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Dec 01, 2008, 11:48 		So many things are riding on tonight's game. Close scores. Promize could eek it out. As could Twarpy and skinneej. It appears that Pete and CCR and DS will make the playoffs in the NFC.
 
224skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Mon, Dec 01, 2008, 13:10 		Wow, the Rams point total goes up every time I check. I was up two this morning, now down 1! I should win this one though which means have to hope Falcons can hold off those pesky Seahawks. I think the prospect of the Texans Def keeping Garrard in check is not that great however. It would take a huge game from Slaton for me to beat the Giants, so think I have a slim hope of making it in either way.
 
225Promize
      ID: 24854246
      Mon, Dec 01, 2008, 20:23 		If your biggest worry is Garrard.... you playoff hopes are set :)
 
226Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Dec 01, 2008, 21:02 		Well, since Twarpy was ahead of SJ in points, he HAS to beat Twarpy or he can't finish ahead of him. Twarpy is really rooting against Garrard. SJ had to really hope Slaton goes nuts and Daniels does nothing.
 
227Action Figure
      ID: 27118121
      Mon, Dec 01, 2008, 22:08 		Having a nightmare year constantly pushing all the wrong buttons. I hope I can win these games tonight if it means helping some bubble teams make the playoffs. Good luck all.


AF
 
228Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Dec 01, 2008, 23:31 		Twarpy's and SJ's game is a one point difference now with the winner likely in and the loser likely out.
 
229 Promize
      ID: 24854246
      Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 07:13 		LOL

So someone send me an email today and let me know if I made the playoffs or not...
I'll be at work, so won't be able to view anything...

No idea about any adjustments that still need to be made... at this point, I'm in the playoffs by .10 pts... Crazy.. But could be out of it later on if anything gets changed :)
 
230Twarpy
      ID: 810131516
      Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 09:27 		Absolutely insane, I think I make it due to the fact that adjustments for -6 receiving yards for Garrard, and -3 rushing yards for Atlanta have not been factored in yet. I don't see any adjustments for my game vs skinnej.
 
231Slizz
      ID: 4710371415
      Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 09:29 		Another "close, but no cigar" season for the Bills. Ugh.

With some key moves made this year and a strong core of keepers, I hope to make the playoffs for the first time next season!

 
232skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 10:05 		RE: 226 my best chance was Falcons beating Seahawks since that would have put me in a tie and I held the tie-breaker. I didn't think Slaton could have a big enough game to beat the Giants, but he nearly did. Wow! I'm hoping for some magical adjustments to come through, but right now looks like I am toast.
 
233Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 10:17 		I haven't done adjustments yet. But, it appears when I do, the Seahawks will end up losing and missing the playoffs. They are up .1 now and have a diff of -.3 in adjustments with Atlanta.
 
234Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 10:45 		Last night it was mentioned that the NFL might be reviewing a couple of plays (sacks) this week for stats. Specifically, they were talking about Garrard on one play. But, as Twarpy just reminded me, AF has the hou D so even if they added a sack, it's moot.

By rule, any scoring adjustments have to be in before the day of the first game of the following week. So with a Thursday game, any adjustment must come by tomorrow. I don't forsee any coming though.

Twarpy is set to make the playoffs by a single point. If you remember, he made three trades last week for IDPs that added him 28 points and a net of 11.5 (minus a WW IDP pickup). So those two trades 3 players) got him into the playoffs.
 
235skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 10:51 		Yeah, those were great trades, and I tried to scramble and make a few myself. With the holiday, it was a tough week to get people to respond and make any counters. I decided to hold pat and hope for the best. Of course, a couple guys on my bench would have made a difference too, but you have to go with your gut. On another note, it would be a shame if either Twarpy or I missed the playoffs since we were the two highest scoring teams in the league.
 
236Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 10:51 		Playoff Matchups:

AFC
#1 Coyotes Broncos vs. #4 Doug's Raiders
#2 Ref Colts vs. #3 bmd's Texans

NFC
#1 CCR's Bears vs. #4 Twarpy's Giants
#2 Peter N's Cowboys vs. #3 DS' Eagles

Notes:
Regular Season Best Record: Broncos 20-6
Regular Season Most Points: Giants 2914.4
 
237Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 10:53 		Need to get regular season seeding set and all matchups put in. If there are any scoring changes that you hear about, let me know asap as that could change seeding and matchups.
 
238Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 10:57 		For the new managers...

All teams will play one game in week 14. Besides the playoffs, we have two consolation tournaments. Unlike the top 8 where those teams will play three games win or lose, the consolation tourneys will be one and done. So you must win to continue. Draft order will not be affected by consolation tourneys. So there is no harm in winning. All games are reflected in our overall franchise standings and any and all records will count.

Wanna-Be Bowl will seed teams 9-16
Toilet Bowl will seed teams 17-24
 
239Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 12:22 		Reg Season OVERALL Seedings
(Top 8 are affected by playoffs for draft order)

1. Coyotes Broncos 20-6 2566.4
2. CCR's Bears 19-7 2898.6
3. Peter N's Cowboys 19-7 2726.2
4. Ref's Colts 18-8 2894
5. DS' Eagles 17-9 2762.7
6. Twarpy's Giants 16-10 2914.4
7. bmd's Texans 16-10 2663.6
8. Doug's Raiders 14-12 2739.5

9. SJ's Packers 16-10 2903.2
10. Promize's Seahawks 16-10 2663.9
11. Slizz's Bills 13-13 2527.6
12. GO's Jets 12-14 2688.2
13. mbj's Bengals 12-14 2568
14. CT's Cardinals 12-14 2471.7
15. Cards' 49ers 11-15 2530.4
16. BJ21's Rams 11-15 2504.4

17. TB's Ravens 11-15 2417.1
18. GShade's Chiefs 10-16 2346.6
19. Yokel's Jaguars 10-16 2283.2
20. Toral's Saints 9-17 2333.4
21. PD's Browns 9-17 2197.8
22. mjd's Chargers 8-18 2197.3
23. Frick's Vikings 8-18 2196.8
24. AF's Falcons 5-21 2113.9
 
240Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 12:31 		Week 14: 12/2/08 - 12/8/08 (Playoffs)
Oakland Raiders at Denver Broncos
Houston Texans at Indianapolis Colts
New York Giants at Chicago Bears
Philadelphia Eagles at Dallas Cowboys
St Louis Rams at Green Bay Packers
San Francisco 49ers at Seattle Seahawks
Arizona Cardinals at Buffalo Bills
Cincinnati Bengals at New York Jets
Atlanta Falcons at Baltimore Ravens
Minnesota Vikings at Kansas City Chiefs
San Diego Chargers at Jacksonville Jaguars
Cleveland Browns at New Orleans Saints
 
241Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 12:39 		Remember Pick-ems.

We continue to pick all games, but there are just 12 games this week (less moving forward). We can no longer throw out the worst week.

So of the teams still in contention...

Take the standings minus their low week being tossed.

Low Weeks - Current Total:
Bears: 10 - 180
Seahawks: 10 - 175
Colts: 6 - 169
Bills: 9 - 162
Eagles: 0 - 165
Jax: 0 - 161

Looks like only the Seahawks have a chance of knocking off the Bears, but weirder things have happened.


 
242StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Tue, Dec 02, 2008, 18:07 		It was to finally win 2 games in a week, even though it did cost me some draft positions.
 
243Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Dec 03, 2008, 10:44 		Illegal move has been reversed.
 
244beastiemiked
      ID: 5310301021
      Wed, Dec 03, 2008, 14:09 		Ugh, of course Mathis gets hurt. Pretty sure I'll be starting at least one IDP that won't even play.
 
245beastiemiked
      ID: 5310301021
      Wed, Dec 03, 2008, 20:04 		With that said I think we need to reevaluate add/drops during the playoffs. Not sure if it's happened in the past but having a player go down that you don't have a backup can really screw a team. I realize that's part of the luck but in a league like this the wire is so thin that very rarely will a team have a chance to pick up a fill in stud.
 
246Peter N.
      ID: 4910362617
      Wed, Dec 03, 2008, 20:16 		That is the exact reason why I picked up Smith and Coleman last week. It gives me a backup at every position except TE.
 
247Twarpy
      ID: 810131516
      Wed, Dec 03, 2008, 20:17 		I agree to a degree, but would almost make it so that only playoff teams would be able to only replace some who is say questionable or worse, with a player of the same position.

This eliminates the whole league from making mad add/drops which could affect playoffs, and also doesn't give an advantage to playoff teams from taking potential backup RB's who could turn out to be keepers. On that note I would suggest a rule something like:

Only teams that are still in the playoffs which have a player who is questionable or worse (with no viable replacement) can pickup a player of the same position, any said player that is picked up can't be a keeper for said team the following year.

I know that could be worked on and maybe would leave things a little grey, but I do symphasize with bmd's position, especially since it is impossible to have a backup for every position on our benches.
 
248Slizz
      ID: 551055922
      Wed, Dec 03, 2008, 21:35 		I like the policy we have instituted in Football 101.

Every team is eligible to make moves during the playoffs...however only those who are in the playoffs are allowed to make claims in waivers.

I say that is reasonable for all parties. That or teams in the playoffs are not allowed to keep any players they add during that time.

 
249Perm Dude
      ID: 181118412
      Thu, Dec 04, 2008, 13:22 		I like Twarpy's proposal, but wasn't sure about this:

any said player that is picked up can't be a keeper for said team the following year.

Is the worry here that a team will pick up a keeper-quality player off the waiver wire? Or that other managers shouldn't be denied access to a now-replacement player for next year's draft?

I'm not sure that this restriction is needed. I think that if the worry is that the better teams (those in the playoffs) are getting waiver access at the end of the season while the rest are not (giving them a theoretical competitive advantage), then why not just open the waiver wire to all teams under the same injury conditions?
 
250beastiemiked
      ID: 5310301021
      Thu, Dec 04, 2008, 15:39 		I'm not sure that this restriction is needed. I think that if the worry is that the better teams (those in the playoffs) are getting waiver access at the end of the season while the rest are not (giving them a theoretical competitive advantage), then why not just open the waiver wire to all teams under the same injury conditions?

Well pickups would be limited to only managers that have an injury and don't have another available player at that position. Opening the wire to every team would cause other teams to pick up the replacement at QB or RB. For example, if Eli Manning went down this week I'd be left without a QB. It's almost a shoe in that somebody would pick David Carr(Giants 2nd sting QB) up if they were ahead of me in the WW.

I'm not sure how I feel about allowing playoff pickups at QB, RB, or WR. I'm sure every team has a backup RB and WR so injuries should almost never be an issue there. QB is tricky since most teams only have 1 starter. I guess teams can handcuff with the backup of their starter but that's not always possible.

I guess we can talk about it in the offseason more. Definitely for some kind of change.

Looks like my DL is now questionable. Ugh!

 
251Great One
      ID: 151126410
      Thu, Dec 04, 2008, 16:02 		Slizz, perhaps I didn't explain F101 clear enough, I still want the 6 playoff teams ONLY to be making moves -- not just waivers, but any add/drops. So as far as consideration to apply to this league, here is the F101 logic

Here is my thought process on that ruling...
The waiver processing that occurs after the last week of the regular season --- Wednesday AM 12/3/08 --- will only be for the 6 teams that make the playoffs. So 1 PM on Sunday 11/30 is the "Keeper Freeze". Whoever is on your team at that point it eligible to be kept next season. Then what I'll do (starting with that waiver processing), I'll print a list out of all transactions, anyone added after that point is not eligible to be kept. And just as important - if you drop somebody, you lose rights to keep them as well (LT breaks a leg, you still need to keep him on your bench... this is to avoid a kicker breaking a leg and you can't replace him, so you can drop him and not have your hands tied). All 6 playoff teams can make moves for the duration of the playoffs, cause even if they lose there are still consolation games with $ on the line.

So only playoff teams can make still make moves. Anyone dropped isn't eligible to be kept, you lose their rights. Anyone you add cannot be kept either (so playoff teams don't have the advantage of scooping up a suddenly keeper eligible player).

 
252Great One
      ID: 151126410
      Thu, Dec 04, 2008, 16:04 		"scooping up a keeper quality player" it should say...
 
253Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Dec 04, 2008, 23:52 		If we made a change, it would have to be something like what GO was talking about so it is fair to everyone involved. I sure wouldn't have an extra DB on my team if the rules were like that--esp with my suspect RB and WR corps and only one QB and TE.
 
254Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Fri, Dec 05, 2008, 15:26 		Looks like teh Seahawks didn't make pick-ems this week--virtually assuring the Bears with the championship. Still possible but would take a minor miracle and some huge upset picks that are right.
 
255Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Fri, Dec 05, 2008, 15:35 		Also, if someone has proposals or ideas--couldthey please post them in our thread so we don't forget about them for next season to discuss?

I've had some info about making a sack from 2 to 3 (something we were supposed to talk about last season but we forgot), I've had suggestions of adding another IDP and return yards and other stuff. I'm super busy in rl right now.
 
256Slizz
      ID: 4710371415
      Fri, Dec 05, 2008, 15:44 		Ideas I think we should put on the table:

-Eliminating the DEF position

-Adding another IDP Flex Spot: Balance out the talent pool.

-Adding return yards as part of a category. I.E. The Josh Wilsons', Leon Washingtons', Josh Cribbs', etc. are all that much more valuable.

-Increasing the Sack total from 2 to 3 points to be on par with a INT in terms of scoring.

Any others you think I am missing?

 
257Great One
      ID: 151126410
      Fri, Dec 05, 2008, 16:03 		I still like having a team defense for whatever reason... but I definitely would favor the other three. Especially return yards in a league this deep, we have so many thin teams that take a 0 in a spot or trot out some 4th string WR, when they could at least get a couple points from a Cribbs, Sproles type. Also would help with bye week fill-ins.
 
258mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Sun, Dec 07, 2008, 11:53 		I don't care on way or another about team D if we add another IDP. It is a [pain to have to make a trade just to field sum sub par D to
cover a bye week. I'd almost rather take the goose egg.

In a league this big, all skill players should have some value.
{Unless of course your name is Joey Galloway} Adding return yards
would do that.

INTS=SACKS-No. Ints are always a turnover, sacks are not.
 
259Perm Dude
      ID: 5111279
      Sun, Dec 07, 2008, 11:59 		YES on adding return yardage. This gives added value to a number of players who otherwise might not be used very much. And it adds a strategic dimension, which is always a plus.

I agree with mjd on the sacks/INT question.
 
260Great One
      ID: 4510512113
      Sun, Dec 07, 2008, 13:32 		INT's are 4, so still valued more (and Fumble Force 2, Fumble Recovery 2 which I think is perfect as well).
 
261Great One
      ID: 4510512113
      Sun, Dec 07, 2008, 13:47 		Dominik Hixon just dropped 15 points. Ouch.

Something I've always wondered... if you are a WR and you get a reverse, its not working and you are staring at a 10 yard loss.... why would you not just throw the ball away? Some rule that says you can't? that always baffles me.

 
262Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sun, Dec 07, 2008, 13:50 		We're not having any sort of a vote until before next season. No one ever wants to even discuss rules changes it seems until th emiddle of the season. Even when we push for input before the season, many do not participate.

With that being said, I think it's great if you want to weight-in now on ideas. may help us come up with some alternatives to objections.

Here are my current opinions...

Team D/ST: I think this could be a huge disadvantage to several teams. Team D/ST can mean the difference for a team winning and losing. Several teams have made trades to ensure they ahve a great team D. Take PD for instance, his D has been a part of his team from the beginning and has really helped him every year. Now he's trying to fix his team and if he loses his D, that's one more piece to fill. My guess is that this will be a tough sell. I think we'd get farther tweaking scoring as I've suggested before. For instance, I've proposed that we not count scoring not allowed by D and it hasn't even gotten enough support to take it to a vote. Perhaps we should look to add or nerf some of the D's elements as well? I don't know.

Return Yards: This has been brough up probably 4 or 5 times and has had little support as well. I attempted to bring it in along with IDPs since there are DBs who return but, again I had to withdraw it because of lack of support. As long as we don't put too much weight on PR and KR, I think it could work--esp in a deep league like this. INTR and FR yards are also options on CBS, but again had little interest when we brought those up before last season.

Add/drops after week 13: The only way I can see this being able tow ork at all is something like GO proposed. It HAS to be fair to the non-playoff teams.

Adding another IDP spot: I haven't done much research on this. But with our limited bench, I'm afraid that if we did this, we'd also have to add another bench spot and that could make the WW even thinner. No opinion on this as of yet.

Adding a point to a sack: I think this needs to be done. In addition to an INT being 4 points, often times the IDP will get a PD as well. That's 5 points. mjd's point was exactly our thinking when we proposed the 4 for INT, but DL players need those points and a sack can also stop a scoring drive. Players DO recieve a tackle for another point when they sack. At the very least, I feel a sack must go up by .5 (half sack .25).
 
263StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Sun, Dec 07, 2008, 15:51 		I think there are too many bench spots already, so if we did add another IDP position I certainly would be against adding another bench spot. Not that many IDP are going to be keepers anyway, so the team could simply drop and add another IDP to cover the bye weeks.
 
264Great One
      ID: 4510512113
      Sun, Dec 07, 2008, 18:27 		Maybe we should consider doing discussion for next season rule changes right now or right as the season wraps up while its still fresh in everybodies mind....
 
265Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Dec 08, 2008, 13:36 		Isn't that what we're doing? ;)

Anyhow, let's not forget the playoffs...

AFC
#1 Broncos None left
#4 Raiders -13.7 Delhomme and LB Ruud left

This score changed drasticlaly today. It was like a 4 point difference and now it is almost 14. Not sure what's up. Before, I felt it was a sure bet that the Radiers would win, but if the new score is accurate, it will be much harder. Still I think the Raiders can do it. 55% chance of Raiders winning. (90% if the old score is put back).

#2 Colts K Kasay left
#3 Texans -15.26 DB R. Barber left

For the Texans to win Barber needs to come up BIG. A pick 6 (at least 10 points) along with a bad night from Kasay could do it--albeit unlikely. Chance for Texans: 10%

NFC

#1 Bears Done
#4 Giants -56.5 RB Williams, DL Peppers, Car DST left

It might look like a lot fo point sto make up--and it is--but i t can be done if Car dominates tonight on both sides of the ball. All three need to be HUGE though. Giants chance of winning: 15%

#2 Cowboys -73.36 LBs Beason and Davis left
#3 Eagles

Stick a fork in it. This is over. Odds of Cowboys avoiding the upset? ZILCH
 
266Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Dec 08, 2008, 23:28 		Anyone watching the raiders/broncos score?

Doug is up .22 right now and if Delhomme has to take some knees, he could lose it.
 
267Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Dec 08, 2008, 23:43 		OMG, if all scores hold up, Doug will win by .02!
 
268StLCards
      ID: 372301819
      Mon, Dec 08, 2008, 23:43 		So now my team decides to score a few points. Figures they do well when it doesn't count!
 
269Doug
      ID: 551153822
      Mon, Dec 08, 2008, 23:54 		Wow, well, we'll see if any of the scores change overnight, but what an exciting game. I was IM-ing with Ref... on that second-to-last Carolina drive Ruud made a tackle, Delhomme threw a short pass, I still needed a few... and on last play Ruud makes the assist (then misses a tackle on following drive!)

After that I was trying to do math in my head of how much time could be left on clock for Delhomme to only kneel once or twice, not 3 times... just made it under the wire by like 5-10 seconds or so.

Talk about a nail biter!
 
270Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Dec 09, 2008, 09:47 		The scores held up for Doug. He wins by .02!!! Wow!!! I told him, I don't know who to root for as I hae to play them next week. Pick my poison I guess.

I've set the matchups. In the Super Bowl there are four teams left and four teams in the consolation round. All games count toward your winnings.

In the Wanna-Be and Toilet, they are matched up based on an 8 team seeded field and they don't re-seed. (1-8, 4-5 and 2-7, 3-6). Only winners continue to play in these two Bowls.

Super Bowl
Oakland Raiders at Indianapolis Colts AFC
Philadelphia Eagles at Chicago Bears NFC

Consolation
Houston Texans at Denver Broncos AFC
New York Giants at Dallas Cowboys NFC

Wanna-Be Bowl
New York Jets at Green Bay Packers
San Francisco 49ers at Arizona Cardinals

Toilet Bowl
New Orleans Saints at Baltimore Ravens
San Diego Chargers at Kansas City Chiefs

This will be the first year ever that our all-time games played leader, StL Rams, will not be playing all three weeks of the playoffs.

In Pick-ems, the Bears pretty much clinched it.
Low Weeks - Current Total:
Bears: 10 - 187
Seahawks: 10 - 175
Colts: 6 - 176
Bills: 9 - 169
Eagles: 0 - 171
Jax: 0 - 161
 
271coldwater coyotes
      ID: 451159910
      Tue, Dec 09, 2008, 11:59 		Recount please!!
 
272Peter N.
      ID: 4910362617
      Wed, Dec 10, 2008, 19:10 		Congrats DS!

It is nice to know he would've beat anyone this week. I think he's unstoppable when his team is on. Bring it home buddy!

And if you thought that was an upset, you didn't really bother to look at the matchup. I knew I was going to have to get lucky to have any chance. Luck finally ran out on me, but I feel fortunate to have made it to the playoffs.

Look for some changes in the offseason. :-)
 
273ds in Wichita Falls
      Leader
      ID: 017103420
      Wed, Dec 10, 2008, 22:35 		Thanks Peter - Sorry I missed your call. It's been really busy here. I'm just glad to be in the playoffs once and appreciate your kind words.

As far as adding another IDP, I like the idea and I think we could do that w/o increasing the bench size as long as it's a flex DL/LB/DB who could serve also as a backup during bye weeks. We already have to cover for those guys now.
 
274Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sun, Dec 14, 2008, 18:58 		Talk about close games!
 
275Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sun, Dec 14, 2008, 20:06 		Looks like Philly D needs 4.5 points or less for me to win this week. Man it stinks when guys come up short and your opponent has guys who come up big--but that's the game!!!
 
276Doug
      ID: 2711141422
      Sun, Dec 14, 2008, 23:16 		Only twice this season has Philly D failed to deliver 5+ points. And against Cleveland, I like my chances.

Any given Sund... err... Monday night though...
 
277Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Dec 16, 2008, 10:02 		Grats Doug and DS!

I hate playing the 'what if' game. Doug losing in week 13 and then winning by .02 means I won't be going into the playoffs. My season ended just as it started. The 2nd highest point total for the week, only to lose to Doug, the hihest point getter. Dems da' Breaks!

Super Bowl:
Oakland Raiders at Philadelphia Eagles

Indianapolis Colts at Chicago Bears 3rd
New York Giants at Denver Broncos 5th
Houston Texans at Dallas Cowboys 7th

San Francisco 49ers at Green Bay Packers Wanna-Be
New Orleans Saints at Kansas City Chiefs Toilet

 
278skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Thu, Dec 18, 2008, 12:37 		So the Wanna-be bowl features the showdowns of the top two ranked "coaches". At least I can hang my hat on the fact that I have been #1 most of the season! ha! Yet another disheartening fact is that my team is the #2 power team in the league just behind Ref's colts. This BCS stuff sucks, I demand a playoff...ooops nevermind.

In reviewing my season, which has by far been the best for me, I can't help but be disappointed with the way the numbers fell: 2nd highest scoring team in the league for the regular season, scored over 100 pts in all but four weeks, Lost 6 games in which my team scored 100 or more just to name a few. Looking back I had forgotten about losing to Doug in week 3 in which I put up 139.98. Just damn. The killers were my two losses by a point or less to two of my division foes who both made the playoffs (Bears, Giants). Week 11 probably broke my back when I scored 108 but loss to Bears and Colts.

If I complete my run and beat the 49ers this weekend, I will lobby for a share of 1st place! Don't we have a coaches poll, or use Saggarin's rankings or something??? Okay, now I want to hear someone else bitch about their season! ;)
 
279Great One
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      Thu, Dec 18, 2008, 13:45 		SkinneeJ Longhorns!!! :)
 
280StLCards
      ID: 16851187
      Fri, Dec 19, 2008, 10:36 		Sounds like your counting your chickens pretty early there Skineej! I'll agree that the first hatchling was a thing of beauty, but let's see who has fewer ugly ducklings at the end of the week :)
 
281deepsnapper
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      ID: 017103420
      Sun, Dec 21, 2008, 12:17 		Doug - Best of luck this weekend.

Looks like weather is really going to be a factor in some games today for a change.

ds
 
282StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Sun, Dec 21, 2008, 19:39 		If we say that Crosby is good for 6 points then it comes down to Rodgers vs Delhomme for the Championship.
 
283Slizz
      ID: 411441421
      Tue, Dec 23, 2008, 00:05 		Congrats DS on a well-deserved championship.
 
284Peter N.
      ID: 4910362617
      Tue, Dec 23, 2008, 07:53 		Congrats DS!
 
285Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Dec 23, 2008, 10:55 		Grats DS on your first championship! I believe you aid in another post that this was your first trip to the playoffs and you win it all? Nice job my friend.

Results: (reverse order for draft on playoff teams 17-24)
1. DS' Eagles
2. Doug's Raiders
3. Ref's Colts
4. CCR's Bears
5. Tarpy's Giants
6. Coyotes' Broncos
7. bmd's Texans
8. Peter N's Cowboys

Wanna-Be Champ (9th): Cards' 49ers
Toilet Bowl Champ (17th): Shade's Chiefs

Best Regular Season Record: Coyotes's Broncos

Pick-ems Champ: CCR's Bears
Results:
Low Weeks - Total:
Bears: 10 - 197
Colts: 6 - 186
Seahawks: 10 - 179
Eagles: 0 - 179
Bills: 9 - 174
Jax: 0 - 161

I will get the last 3 weeks entered into the franchise standings and records when I get a chance in the next few days. The H2H standings will take a lot longer.
 
286deepsnapper
      Leader
      ID: 017103420
      Tue, Dec 23, 2008, 14:15 		Thanks guys. When it appeared the Cards D were seeing snow for the first time in their lives, I thought it was over.

Looking at some of the scores, a lot has to do with matchups each week so I feel pretty lucky as well as honored considering the competition in this league in any event.

ds
 
287mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Tue, Dec 23, 2008, 17:18 		Congrats DS, well done.
 
288TB
      ID: 9116716
      Wed, Dec 24, 2008, 01:16 		Congrats buddy.
 
289Doug
      ID: 491150242
      Wed, Dec 24, 2008, 03:59 		gg DS, and congrats! Rodgers beat me in this league, but won me the championship in another. Live by the sword...
 
290Promize@Parents
      ID: 5711432414
      Wed, Dec 24, 2008, 15:49 		Well was glad to finally see my team make a run for the playoffs.. It has been a loooong dry spell. Of course making the playoffs would of been nice, but a wasteful trip as several key players would of been hurt.

I still need a good QB.. Anyone mind giving up the #1 pick so I can get Stafford next year? :)
 
291Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Fri, Jan 16, 2009, 17:59 		Standings and Records Updated

Haven't worked on the Head to Head wins and losses or records yet though. Lots of changes made.
 
292Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Jan 19, 2009, 12:07 		Found a few minor errors in the records book. I've fixed them on my SS and will update them after I get the H2H list updated in the coming weeks.
 
293Great One
      ID: 151126410
      Mon, Feb 02, 2009, 09:05 		I'm looking to package Santonio Holmes with Addai or McFadden for an even better RB. Who needs the depth of a couple good young players?
 
294TB
      ID: 9116716
      Tue, Feb 03, 2009, 02:26 		McFadden is going to be a superstar next year.
 
295Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Feb 11, 2009, 18:04 		I'm looking for a QB.
 
296deepsnapper
      Leader
      ID: 017103420
      Tue, Feb 17, 2009, 18:39 		Hey guys, sorry for not checking in sooner. I received the trophy and the prize money around Feb 5-6 (I think). 2009 has been quite hectic.

My Dad passed on Jan 18 and after seeing to his affairs, we brought my Mom home with us in late Jan and will keep her through the end of this month. She want to get back to a regular routine pretty soon and I hope she can.

The trophy was a great distraction to an otherwise somber atmosphere around here and was really appreciated at the time. Thanks guys.

ds

 
297Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Feb 18, 2009, 16:11 		DS, Congrats again on the victory.

Am so sorry for your loss of your father.
 
298StLCards
      ID: 16851187
      Fri, Feb 27, 2009, 17:15 		Hi Roy,
Very sorry to hear about your father. I know it has to be very hard for you. Hope you, your mother, and the rest of the family is holding up ok. Our thoughts and prayers are with all of you.
Kirk
 
299deepsnapper
      Leader
      ID: 017103420
      Wed, Mar 11, 2009, 17:45 		Ref & Kirk - thanks for the kind words. It's a different world, but she's home now and doing OK so that's the important thing.

I was glad to see Benson sign for 2 years with the Bengals. Now if he'll only quit driving boats and cars. Of course you can get a DUI while riding a bike in TX.
 
300Slizz
      ID: 242122814
      Mon, Apr 06, 2009, 12:08 		DS - I am sorry to hear about the loss. I can't imagine what its like to go through that. My thoughts are with you and your family.
 
301Slizz
      ID: 242122814
      Mon, Apr 06, 2009, 12:13 		I am highly interested in obtaining Cutler through a 3-team trade. I would receive Cutler, GO would receive QB TBD, and the person trading QB TBD would receive Edwards.

I am prepared to do whatever it takes, within reason, to get him on my roster as I am Bears fan...

 
302Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Fri, Jul 10, 2009, 19:29 		I'm going to start looking at this league sometime after the baseball all star game and our prospect draft but I know we need at least one new manager.
 
303Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Jul 15, 2009, 17:03 		Just got an email and apparently we need at least two new managers for this season.
 
304Perm Dude
      ID: 154552311
      Wed, Jul 15, 2009, 17:54 		I might know someone for one of the slots--I just sent him an email and will let you know, ref.
 
305Perm Dude
      ID: 154552311
      Wed, Jul 15, 2009, 18:10 		Just sent you an email, ref.
 
306Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Fri, Jul 17, 2009, 14:10 		2009 Preseason thread