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Subject: Gurupie 24 2010 Pre-Season 9 Discussion

  Posted by: Ref - Donor [539581218] Fri, Jul 16, 2010, 17:33
2009 Season Discussion

It's that time again. E-mails are going out to last year's managers and their intent to return. Already one manager will not be coming back and I've been unable to reach another manager for 2-3 months.

If you have recommendations for replacement managers, e-mail me.
 
1Action Figure
      ID: 43716719
      Sat, Jul 17, 2010, 21:33 		It was nice participating in this league since it's inception.

Thank you REF and ST. LOU for all the hard work y'all put into running and maintaining this league.

Good luck to all and somebody work my old team better than I did. ;-)
 
2Great One
      ID: 38649207
      Wed, Jul 21, 2010, 13:13 		My squad is looking thin right now, and I would strongly consider moving Chris Johnson for 2 starting RB's. Although I may wait to do this til after the draft. I need to break up my Jets WR's so the duo is going to be Chris Johnson + Cotchery/Holmes for 2 RB's. If you've got the two RB's to offer, lets talk.
 
3Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Jul 21, 2010, 20:20 		Still awaiting three managers to get back with me on their intent to play this season. We know that we will need at least two new managers at this point.
 
4Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Jul 22, 2010, 22:39 		Have now heard back from everyone. We will be replacing two managers, bj21's Rams and AF's Falcons.
 
5 Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Jul 26, 2010, 15:50 		Need some nominations for new managers. Can't move forward until these two new managers have been named. Email me with thoughts or ideas.
 
6Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Jul 27, 2010, 16:54 		I've contacted several managers. Hope to have the two teams ready to go by as early as this evening.
 
7Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 10:45 		We have selected Nerfherders and Valkyrie to join our league. I will run the dice roll to determine who gets choice of teams between the Falcons and Rams.
 
8Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 10:54 		Nerf has won the dice roll and will choose his team.
 
9Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 10:54 		Welcome, guys.
 
10Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 11:04 		Nerf has taken the Rams and Valk will takeover the Falcons.
 
11Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 11:28 		The Rams franchise has jumped in a Mayflower Moving Vehicles and moved to the Motor City in hopes of reviving their Economy. They are now known as the Detroit Lions.
 
12Building 7
      Leader
      ID: 171572711
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 12:31 		Welcome to the league. Let's make a trade.
 
13 Valkyrie
      Dude
      ID: 47042413
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 13:35 		Thanks for the invite- I have a couple early questions- (1) when do we select keepers and where can I see all the existing rosters? (2)
I know it is kind of rare but what draft picks would you get as replacements if you decide to retain less than 9 keepers- i.e are the compensatory picks at the start of round 1 or at the end of the draft? ( after going 20-61 the last 3 years this team is close to not having 9 keepers).
Actually if its not a lot of trouble I too would like to jetison the old baggage and drop the Atlanta name in favor of Carolina. Yes I know Hotlanta is a much better place than Durham or Charlotte and my new team might emulate Duke football not basketball but 20-61 and still in a declining trend needs a new appelation as well as new blood.
 
14Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 13:51 		Valk, you have an invite from CBS emailed ot you. As soon as you sign in you will be all set. You may keep less than 9 keepers but you don't receive any replacement picks. If you need mroe keeps, you can certianly trade for them or even trade for extra picks or both.

Carolina is an acceptable team change for you under our rules. This team was a top team one season but has struggled since. But we've had one team who NEVER made the playoffs only to win the championship and a lot of playoff turnover. Clever moves and selections can move your team up quickly. IIRC it was like 5 of the 8 playoff teams were not in the playoffs the season before. The top draft picks can really make a huge difference in this league and we have it set up so teams can really change things up. Definitely not an "all is lost" type of situation.
 
15Frick
      ID: 16635287
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 14:13 		I'm sure you'll be able to find someone who is willing to trade what would be a keeper for you in exchange for a later round draft pick swap. You might even be able to do a one-for-two (or three) trade to add some depth to your roster.
 
16judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 15:04 		Welcome to the new guys! (from the AZ Cards)

and I hope you know that just because you are new (and even if you have a crappy draft) you can still
get to the Super Bowl!!! (teehee!)
 
17Valkyrie
      Dude
      ID: 47042413
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 15:15 		Not complaining guys- I never thought it would be easy- One player in the top 70 or some depth anywhere might have been nice but on the flip side I do get to remold the whole roster.
GO if you are interested I will most likely give you any 3 players you want off my roster for C. Johnson plus any Jet WR with only a few positional replacement restrictions.
I will also consider anyone wanting to trade me multiple low end keeper types for what for what they perceive as quality LOL.
Let the rebuild begin- PD, I predict you and I will wage a fierce battle or relative equal teams again this year LOL.
 
18StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 15:36 		It might be helpful to review the transactions from last year to see what kind of moves are made, although I'm not sure they'll show if draft picks were included in trades or not, look at last years draft for the league (you can find it in the football standings forum on rotoguru), and look at last years keepers (in football forum) and you'll have a good idea of value of players etc.

With 24 teams, bye weeks, and scarcity at some positions, the value of players not normally looked at actually have value.

Welcome to the league, especially the team formerly known as the Rams as you are in the awesome South division :)
 
19Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 16:18 		I will work on getting the lottery ready. Guru finalizes it for us and not sure of his availability at the moment.
 
20Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 16:19 		Btw, I have too many keeper-rated players. Take a look at my team and I bet we can come up with something. I agree with Cards that you should look at last years moves/trades/dsicussions/picks to see what kinds of things go on in this deep league. MIght help you determine value, etc.
 
21Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 16:19 		#17: Heh. Yeah--I take it you got my offer? There should be a Toilet Bowl we can compete for.
 
22Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 16:31 		Here are the 16 teams eligible for the lottery. Guru will make the lottery. The #1 team (Browns) had the worst record and will have the most amount of chances while the #16 team was the best non-playoff team and has the least # of chances. This is for the first round only.

1. Browns
2. Panthers
3. Bills
4. Lions
5. Bengals
6. Giants
7. Broncos
8. Chiefs
9. Bears
10. Ravens
11. Jaguars
12. Raiders
13. 49ers
14. Cowboys
15. Vikings
16. Packers
 
23Valkyrie
      Dude
      ID: 47042413
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 18:09 		Not to worry guys- I am familiar with deep leagues and won't be making any really bad deals that disrupt the balance of the league- I do not have a lot of experience with total rebuilds though and was just a little dismayed by the absence of building blocks on this team and the aging of all my better players but the NFL turns over fairly quickly and any roster can be repaired in a couple of years.
Just to let everyone know- I am trading for the future and not this year, everyone is available but the young QB's will cost. Guys like LT, Driver and Mare may really help contenders now and can be had for fair prices.
 
24Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 18:22 		Guru has got the Lottery set up and I will be urnning it now. Here is the spreadsheet in which the lottery combinations will draw from...
 
25Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 18:25 		And the winner of the lottery is...







The Chiefs!
 
26Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 18:26 		2nd pick goes to...

The Browns!
 
27Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 18:27 		3rd pick goes to...

The Lions!
 
28Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 18:28 		4th ball is the Browns again. Repick.
 
29Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 18:29 		4th Pick goes to...

The Bills!
 
30Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 18:33 		2010 Base Draft Order

1st Round
1. Chiefs
2. Browns
3. Lions
4. Bills
5. Panthers
6. Bengals
7. Giants
8. Broncos
9. Bears
10. Ravens
11. Jaguars
12. Raiders
13. 49ers
14. Cowboys
15. Vikings
16. Packers
17. Saints
18. Texans
19. Seahawks
20. Chargers
21. Colts
22. Eagles
23. Cardinals
24. Jets

Remaining Rounds:
1. Browns
2. Panthers
3. Bills
4. Lions
5. Bengals
6. Giants
7. Broncos
8. Chiefs
9. Bears
10. Ravens
11. Jaguars
12. Raiders
13. 49ers
14. Cowboys
15. Vikings
16. Packers
17. Saints
18. Texans
19. Seahawks
20. Chargers
21. Colts
22. Eagles
23. Cardinals
24. Jets

Will get a chart set up with all traded picks listed at some point.
 
31Nerfherders
      ID: 347242717
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 19:01 		Hey everyone!

I am playing the Lions this year.

Looks like I moved up one spot in the draft. Huzzah!
 
32gshade
      ID: 58682818
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 19:09 		re: 25
great news! i'll have to enjoy a celebratory beer or 2 tonight. (trades offers will be welcomed)

hope everyone is doing well.

welcome and good luck to the new guys.
 
33Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Jul 28, 2010, 21:32 		Team/Manager Page and history updated

Also updated the home page
 
34Doug
      ID: 426422715
      Thu, Jul 29, 2010, 18:13 		If anyone has a QB slot they want to fill before declaring keepers, Delhomme is available for a draft pick upgrade.

If no takers, I'll keep him myself, but he'll cost more post-keepers than pre-keepers.

 
35Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Thu, Jul 29, 2010, 18:33 		Just sent you something, Doug. I'm somewhat flexible, but this might be what you are looking for. I don't believe I'm giving away anything by saying a QB is my top priority. Even one from Cleveland...
 
36Peter N.
      ID: 16592921
      Thu, Jul 29, 2010, 22:59 		Welcome to the new guys! This league is alot of fun and quite a challenge. I'm the Dallas Cowboys and always looking to make a deal. :-)
 
37gshade
      ID: 43725129
      Mon, Aug 02, 2010, 11:46 		**Rumor has it that gshade's chiefs will be selecting Sam Bradford with the #1 overall choice in the 2010 G24 draft.**

There are a few trade scenarios that I would gladly entertain...

1) Trade Campbell, QB, OAK for an aging veteran QB upgrade. Sit Bradford on the bench for 1-2 yrs (but of course playing him vs. the lions). Farve, McNabb, etc???
Perhaps a 3 way trade could be worked out (slizz, pd - u guys need qbs right?)

2) Package #1 overall + 1 of QB/WR/RB for top 4 pick + 1 of QB/WR/RB. I really like available rbs: spiller, best, & matthews.

3) anything else. always fun to make/receive offers. I won't be offended by anything.

...I'd like to upgrade my team for this year, but see the long-term value of Bradford. If all remains status quo, he will be the pick.
 
38StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Mon, Aug 02, 2010, 16:12 		Sent out the payment information for this year. If you don't get an email, then maybe you don't have notices set up to forward to your email, but you can find the information on the league message board.
 
39Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Aug 02, 2010, 16:42 		Before we even consider doing Pick-ems again, how many people are still interested in it?
 
40StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Mon, Aug 02, 2010, 21:15 		We have people signed up for pickems already so we should go with it at least another year.
 
41Great One
      ID: 556282911
      Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 10:20 		Is there no way to look at individual scores from playoffs or regular season matchups from last year? I was curious who I was starting in the championship last year.
 
42StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Wed, Aug 04, 2010, 10:38 		I thought there was but I don't see it right now. Might have to wait until we generate the schedule for this season before that is available, but I'm not sure.
 
43judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Thu, Aug 05, 2010, 21:21 		Well the Dumervil injury (pect - 4 months) opens up another keeper slot for me...I guess that is a
good thing...
 
44slizz-blackberry
      ID: 32745617
      Fri, Aug 06, 2010, 18:46 		Buffalo Bills and Detroit Lions have agreed to the following trade:

Buffalo Bills
Matt Moore
Jerome Harrison
Robert Meachem
2010 3rd Rd. pick

-for-

Detroit Lions

Tony Romo
Detroits last pick

Please confirm.
 
45Nerfherders
      ID: 310111515
      Fri, Aug 06, 2010, 19:38 		Confirmed!
 
46deepsnapper
      Leader
      ID: 017103420
      Tue, Aug 10, 2010, 12:11 		Welcome to the 2 new cats. G'bye mutton meat & feathers.
 
47Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Aug 11, 2010, 00:01 		Looked at last year's draft and this year NFL schedule and it appears that it is the same as last.

Historically we have Keepers due the day after the last game of the 2nd full preseason week. We then used to allow several days before we started our draft--but when we added IDPs, we made the draft start the day after keepers are due.

This season week 2 of preseason concludes on Mon Aug 23--which would make Keepers due by Noon ET on Tues Aug 24. The draft last season began at 3:00 ET the following day. For our newcomers, with a league this deep, obviously the later we can draft to have the most info possible is a huge help. We have to weigh that against getting through the draft. Last season we finished up on the Sat before the first game (Thurs). Obviously Fri and Sat are our slowest days.

With that in mind, we can actually wait a day and start on Thurs if we can keep the same schedule. I want to be sure there are two days after the draft to make sure we have time to get ready for the season and allow the WW to run (1 full day for that). But we are still able to pick up and drop players not involved in that Thursday game.

So without objection, Keepers will be due Tues Aug. 24 by Noon ET. Will have a thread up well before then where managers may post and edit them up until deadline.

Give me feedback on if you'd rather start the draft on Wed Aug 25th or Thurs Aug 26th. The advantage to waiting include more research time after keepers are announced and non-keepers thrown back into the pool as well as breaking news on players. Advantages to starting as early as possible are to get it going in case something big should happen that slows us down. But with our cumulative clock and track record, we should be ok. Still some want to get drafting asap.
 
48Frick
      ID: 54746117
      Wed, Aug 11, 2010, 08:46 		I would prefer Wednesday. I will be driving to Green Bay on Thursday to watch the Indy-Green Bay pre-season game. I should be able to check in occasionally, but will be out of touch for a majority of the day and some of Friday as I drive back.
 
49gshade
      ID: 43725129
      Wed, Aug 11, 2010, 16:39 		Wednesday works.
 
50judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Wed, Aug 11, 2010, 18:55 		weds is fine
 
51mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Wed, Aug 11, 2010, 19:13 		Wed is OK.
 
52Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Wed, Aug 11, 2010, 19:18 		ditto
 
53 Valkyrie
      Dude
      ID: 47042413
      Thu, Aug 12, 2010, 01:57 		wednesday is good for me
 
54deepsnapper
      Leader
      ID: 017103420
      Sat, Aug 14, 2010, 17:48 		tak for wed with me.
 
55Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Aug 16, 2010, 23:40 		Keeper Thread is up! You are required to list keepers and drops in that thread as well as mark the 9 keepers on CBS page before Noon on Aug 24th.

The draft will start the next day (Wed. Aug 25), no earlier than Noon ET.
 
56Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Aug 16, 2010, 23:45 		I now ermemebr why we started on Wed. Labor Day weekend. Need to get the draft done before that weekend this year.
 
57Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Aug 18, 2010, 13:21 		OK, time ot talk shop.

My team is really really deep with 12-13 potential keepers. I'm looking to move a couple of them for an upgraded player. I do have interest in various players for draft picks only and it may come down to that in the end.

QB: Favre. Have some interest in him, obviously, but looking to keep him at this time. Backup QBs that good are like gold in this league. If it can make my team better then I will listen to offers though.

RB: Addai, F. Jackson and R. Williams. Obviously I can't afford to drop any of these players but might be able to trade one i nthe right situation. Addai isn't the back he once was but still outcarries Brown by a 3-1 margin and gets all the goal line carries. FJ is out for the rest of the preseason. He was greta last season but may lose some 3rd down carries to CJ this season. Still starting RB who has shown what he can do is huge. RW will split carries again ut we all know that Brown might go down at any point again. He does well when he splits--but if he's by himself watch out.

WR Collie and Berrian. Berrian is healthy again and Favre back take his stock way back up again. Returns are big as well. Indy WRs play a lot more than most and Collie has a way of making the big play. 2nd year now. AGonz is back and Garcon doesn't play the slot. Collie can play any position if need be.

TE: TGonz. I probably will not trade him.

K: Crosby has hte most tries of all Ks including 50+ tries. Most of his misses are from beyond 50.

DST: Tenn D. Probably will not trade them unless it is part of a multi-deal that brings a D back to me. Open to ideas.

IDP: Harrison, Cushing, Wilson, Thomas. I probably will not trade Harrison or Cushing. Again open to ideas. Harrison is one of the premiere LBs in our game and Cushing was a huge steal for me last season. Doesn't matter if Cushing is out for beginning as he will be a long-term keeper. Wilson and Thomas scored nicely.
 
58Great One
      ID: 2275057
      Wed, Aug 18, 2010, 14:43 		Nice article Cards! - did you write all that? Great work.
 
59WTC Building 7
      Leader
      ID: 171572711
      Wed, Aug 18, 2010, 14:47 		Is there a way to tell what trades have been made, especially the ones involving draft picks?
 
60Great One
      ID: 2275057
      Wed, Aug 18, 2010, 15:07 		"Rules" page on the CBS site.
 
61Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Aug 18, 2010, 15:11 		58 Yes, Cards wrote that. The news page is open to all maangers if anyone wants to write stuff on there. We used to have a lot of predictions, etc. going.

59: see 60. Cards has a draft grid done. Could prob post it as it is now and then update it as the draft starts.
 
62skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 14:18 		Can only keep one of these guys, so make me an offer if you are interested. Draft picks swaps will be accepted too.

McGahee, RB BAL
Witherspoon, LB TEN
Landry, DB BAL
Collins DB GB

Also, I will trade either Saints or Bengals DST if you need a defense uypgrade. Looking for draft pick swap. Both were top 10 last season.
 
63Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 15:09 		Trade announcement:

GO's Jets trade Dennis Dixon & pick 14.24

for

PD's pick 9.01
 
64Great One
      ID: 2275057
      Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 15:11 		Confirmed.
 
65Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 15:33 		Really surprised not more trades like this going on yet. This looks like an absolute steal for PD. We shall see what happens.
 
66Great One
      ID: 2275057
      Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 15:38 		There is no better time to improve your team then to buy guys at a discount now and build a decent core. Then figure out the picks and late round guys.
 
67Great One
      ID: 2275057
      Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 15:40 		I am taking a long look at moving one of my WR's... Austin, Andre or Santonio for a comprable RB.
 
68 beastiemiked
      ID: 10432914
      Thu, Aug 19, 2010, 18:02 		If anybody wants a kicker for really cheap feel free to shoot me an offer. Bironas is easily a top 10 kicker and more likely a top 5 one.
 
69Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 15:19 		To be clear, Favre is NOT available for a draft pick. You want to upgrade your QB, well I want to upgrade my RB/WR. Can also throw back a RB or WR or two in the deal. If you need better keepers, I can certianly offer you great dpeth and obvioulsy more points overall than you'd get from a stud and 2 or 3 scrubs.

There are some players I will take draft picks for. Have one of the best Ks in the game but no space. Might also not be able to keep my 2nd best IDP in Cushing. Several more, but getting some head-scratching offers lately.
 
70Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Fri, Aug 20, 2010, 16:53 		Is that why you didn't respond to my Ware for Favre offer?
 
71Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sat, Aug 21, 2010, 21:12 		OK, the keeper thread is an official documentation of your keepers and drops. You may change them, but they it is not a thread where you psot maybes and subject to changes. We all konw that. This is the thread for trade talks, etc. Please only post keeps in that thread and delete anything else. Thanks!
 
72gshade
      ID: 43725129
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 12:39 		Trade Announcement:

gshade's chiefs trade P. Willis (LB, SF) + 2010 2nd Round Pick (2.08) + 2011 1st Round Pick (TBD)

for

AF's Viking's Carson Palmer (QB, Cin)


AF, please confirm.


 
73Frick
      ID: 97321912
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 12:50 		Confirmed.
 
74Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 13:05 		Now that's the kind of trade I've been looking to see. Looks like w win win for both teams.

Offers to my guys have been so far below market value I will be dropping them instead. Should really help me as other players in the top rounds will be available when my pick comes up.

 
75skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 13:21 		Trade:

GB trades Bengals D/ST + pick 8.16

for Carolina's pick 6.02
 
76skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 13:22 		Will do a similar pick swap for McGahee if anyone is looking for another solid backup.
 
77Great One
      ID: 2275057
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 13:31 		McGahee can vulture a few TD's too.
 
78Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 13:41 		Another nice trade.

This has been the least amount of trade activity before the keeper deadline that I can recall.

FWIW, I think Favre is better than Palmer for this season. :)

 
79gshade
      ID: 43725129
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 13:52 		@78

lol, same here. unfortunately this appears to be farve's last.

although... who really knows. as a penn state fan i've heard the same about joepa for the last 15 years or so.
 
80skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 14:16 		RE: McGahee, I'd really like to keep him as he's only 28 with several teams trying to get Bal to trade him to them. He will be a late 1st rounder or early 2nd rounder if dropped, so keep that in mind if you have an interest.

I have the 3 headed RB group with Cadillac, Bush and Slaton already so if someone wants to land two of them in a trade for a slight upgrade at RB to me, shoot me an offer.
 
81Valkyrie
      Dude
      ID: 47042413
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 15:22 		I am new to this league but that sure seems like an excessively high price to pay for Carson Palmer Frick you are a thief LOL.
2010 Fantasy Football Outlook- From Rotowire

At this point in his career, Palmer is only a starter when you have a bye week or an injury. He’s not even a week-to-week matchup play now coming off the horrendous 2009 season. The Bengals have an extreme lack of offensive weapons beyond Chad Ochocinco and are now a defensive-oriented team that relies on a running game and seeks to keep scores manageable. So Palmer is thus a name brand with little fantasy value outside of that.
 
82Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 15:52 		Thanks for the emails & offers I've received. Just to make it more clear, I'm not willing to part with my 2011 first rounder. I got into this deep hole by continuing to trade away my top pick for good, but ultimately average, position players. So the buck really needs to stop even if that means I pass on a good position player this year to fill one of my obvious roster holes.

That all said, this is an excellent time for a manager to really move up in this year's draft for a player you might be considering dropping already--I've got top picks in about every round, and I have two second round picks.
 
83Valkyrie
      Dude
      ID: 47042413
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 18:52 		Just wondering - Is there any penalty for not posting your keepers on the forum thread- 1/3 of the teams are yet to post with the deadline tomorrow- It really makes it hard to judge who will be left when people don't post timely.
 
84Doug
      ID: 8744316
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 19:20 		PD, you still interested in Delhomme?

I might also be willing to move Vincent Jackson, he's a bit undervalued since he's going to miss some games this year, but keeper talent is clearly there.

Might have one or two other thoughts if neither of those appeal but those seem the best options... about to grab dinner, email me.
 
85Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 19:22 		I thought I sent you a note a couple of days ago about Delhomme. Lemme dig it out and re-send.
 
86Doug
      ID: 8744316
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 20:23 		Yeah, reply sent Fred...

Everyone else, Delhomme or Vincent Jackson are available for draft picks... I don't want players in return... unless you want to take both of them in a 2-for-1 deal.
 
87 Building 7
      Leader
      ID: 171572711
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 20:29 		I can trade one of the following players for a 1 or 2 round draft upgrade:

Derrick Mason 1000 yards
Charles Woodson League MVP, #1 DB
Kirk Morrison, 100 tackles every year.

I even put my email in there to make it easy.
 
88 Doug
      ID: 8744316
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 20:30 		Including email address too :)
 
89Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Aug 23, 2010, 21:44 		83: required to post them by Noon ET tomorrow.

Some more housekeeping on keepers. If you change them, you must delete your previous thread and list them again. If your posts are not your final keepers, they should be removed. Should only be 24 replies in there so we can go through and see who has their keepers in on time so we can get to the site and run the keepers and get the site set up for the draft.

Also got to get the schedule set up and manually loaded into the db and i takes awhile to check that for mistakes and it is so easy to make mistakes that it always happens.

 
90Valkyrie
      Dude
      ID: 47042413
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 09:26 		What happens to Cleveland, cincinnati and Green Bay if they don't post keepers by noon- Do they lose all their keepers?
 
91Frick
      ID: 97321912
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 09:34 		No, I believe the Commish/s will select their keepers for them.

FYI, I can't delete my first keeper post, I think I posted from home and don't have the ability here.
 
92skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 09:52 		Frick, haven't heard back from other manager so will do the McGahee for 4th rounder we discussed.
 
93Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 10:32 		90: usually we count the number of keeper posts and then figure out who hasn't posted, but that thread is a mess this season so not sure how many we are short for sure just yet. If it's only three then we are in good shape as those three managers have been actively dealing and should be no issue.

91: correct as stated in keeper thread

92: Since the 4.15 was made in trade response and not offer, I will need a confirmation from frick before I can process the trade.

Man, what I was willing to take for Berrian before now no longer is relevant. I will be keeping him after all. I wanted to anyhow--just wasn't sure who I'd toss. I would definitely be doing some things different if I managed some of the teams, but what's great is that we all have differing ideas and values on players and I am sometimes off-base just like everyone else.

Last chance to get a deal on:RB Fred Jackson (scored over 1000 yds last season and still listed as Buffalo starting RB and will be ready for week 1 though he has company). Planned on keeping him and will still love to keep.

WR Austin Collie (Has been the best slot guy in camp and outplayed Garcon and AGonz. AGonz could move to WR2. Still merky at wideout for sure). I simply don't have room to keep.

K Mason Crosby (top 4 or 5 projected K). definite Keeper but numbers game.

LB Brian Cushing (if not for 4 game suspension one of the top projected points getter IDP). I'm still trying to figure out a way to keep him. Who do I cut for him????

 
94Frick
      ID: 97321912
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 10:33 		Confirmed
 
95Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 10:49 		For those late wheelers and dealers who might not be able to post to here or cbs right now. if you can get me a trade confirm via email by Noon ET and then get your keeps updated, we can work with that.
 
96Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 11:13 		I'll be posting by noon. Still negotiating some deals. And I've marked out keepers on the CBS site as a backup already.
 
97Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 11:16 		We will be running CBS Keepers manually sometime after Noon.

Looks like I may be heading away from computer in a couple mins and may not get ack until after Noon. If you email me a trade confirm or updated keepers by Noon, they will count. If I make them I will send them to Cards or another manager for verification.
 
98Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 11:28 		sent you an email, ref.
 
99Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 11:48 		Trade announcement:

Doug's Oakland Raiders trade:

Jake Delhomme + 4.12 + 5.12

to

Perm Dude's Cleveland Browns for

2.24 + 4.21


And a conditional pick (this is where ref tears his hair out):

If Delhomme is a top 20 QB (per CBS rankings) at the end of 2010, Oakland and Cleveland will swap 2011 first round picks. If he is top 21-25 we swap second round picks. 26+ we swap third round picks. This conditional swap is nullified in the case that the Browns finish ahead of the Raiders at the end of the 2010 season.
 
100Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 12:11 		OK made it back.

Your Keepers may not be changed after Noon UNLESS You made a deal that was accepted before that time and then you may only change that traded player.

It's crazy how much back and forths I've had in the past 30 mins. One just responded two mins ago and was bummed cuz he didn't get one of my responses until it was too late. Weird how everyone put things off so late, but I'm proud that I dropped players instead of taking the lowball offers as it should help me more in the top part of the draft which is the most important anyhow.
 
102Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 12:17 		My keepers were posted on CBS before noon, with the exception of Delhomme. The keeper thread is now correct.
 
103Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 12:19 		Yes, PD. I see that now. Thanks. That thread is such a mess. Should have your deal figured out and processed soon.
 
104Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 12:29 		Doug and PD, I've processed your deal and noted it in the rules. Please double check it. I need to go back and edit the conditions to save space, but I can do that later. Check both '10 and '11 traded picks in the rules.

Can everyone please delete their posts that are no longer valid in keepers? DS usually cleans up posts when there are mistakes or people can't delete because they posted from a different computer, but he is unable to do so. I need to figure out if all 24 teams are accounted for, so I can start double checking things on CBS and dump all non-keepers with a click of a button.

 
105Doug
      ID: 8744316
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 13:30 		Trade notes in rules looks good to me... "CBS Rankings" could just be replaced with "G24 scoring" to be clear... it's if he's top 20, etc. based on our scoring rules, rankings to me could imply something else. I'm not terribly worried about it, I think we all know what the intent is here.

I noticed Slackjawed didn't post Ted Ginn in the thread (I assume a drop since he lists 9 keepers).

Keepers posted in the other thread in this sequence. Coldwater and slackjawed have "edit" posts that modify previous posts (ideally those would be deleted and consolidated into 1 new post). Any of the ones marked with * are I think superceded by later posts and probably should be deleted.

1 StlCards
* Valkyrie
3 Slizz
4 Peter N.
5 Judy
6 Great One
* Frick
8 Nerf
9 Toral
10 mjd
11 Slackjawed
12 gshade
24 coldwater
24b coldwater adjustment
* Valkyrie adjustment
11b Slackjawed clarification (Hester is keeper)
* beastiemiked
13 beastiemiked (better formatting)
14 deepsnapper
* Valkyrie
15 Twarpy
16 Promize
17 B7
18 ccrider
19 ref
2 Valkyrie
20 youngroman
* Frick
21 skinneej
24c coldwater adjustment
22 Doug
7 Frick
23 Perm Dude
 
106Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 13:36 		I'll delete the updated keeper posts, and edit the ones as necessary. Gimme ten minutes to polish them up.
 
107Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 13:45 		OK, dupes deleted and requested adjustments made.
 
108Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 14:44 		Huge help Doug and PD!!!

All 24 have posted in time. The two who posted after the deadline only replaced players who were legally traded prior to the deadline.

I think if there would have been a later deadline, there would have been more deals, but we have to cut it off at some point and we do need time to get the site set up.

I am not going through to see that the keepers match. I will go through and make sure there are 9 checked. If there are mis-marked keepers you need to alert us BEFORE the draft starts. The keeper thread is official.

 
109Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 15:53 		Non-Keepers have now been processed. A couple forgot to mark their keeps so it took me a little longer.

Schedule is done and has been posted here: 2010 G24 Schedule.

The schedule is coded and is based on the order of finish in your division at the end of the regular season. There is a SOS factor for two games based on last season's finish. I will get it uploaded into CBS soon. The post is pretty self-explanatory. Feel free to post in that thread as well. If you see any issues, let me know.
 
110Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 15:56 		Actually the SOS is for all the games in the other conference. There are two teams you don't play at all based on SOS.
 
111Great One
      ID: 2275057
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 15:59 		Damn, I gotta wait til week 6 to beat up on the Colts? boo...
 
112Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 16:08 		Shouldn't be too hard. My team was really deep but not great. Now it is much less deep, and still not great. :( Gonna have to draft my ass off and get lucky along the way.
 
113Great One
      ID: 2275057
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 16:18 		Berrian gets a boost if Sidney is down for a while.
 
114StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 16:45 		GO's Jets trade Dennis Dixon & pick 14.24

What pick is this supposed to be? There are only 11 rounds in the supplemental draft.
 
115StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 16:59 		Vikings do not own a 4th round pick via this trade: 12-3 Vikings receive 49ers' 1st for his 4th (Maroney/Ringer)

therefore, this trade is now in question and needs to be adjusted asap:
8-24 Packers get Vikings 4.15 for their 6th roudner (McGahee)
 
116Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 17:01 		#114: That was intended to be the last round pick (i.e., 11.24).
 
117Frick
      ID: 97321912
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 18:32 		Gah, I hadn't offered my 4th prior to that because I knew I didn't have it. The error was my mistake, make it my 3rd round pick for my error.

I doubt that Skineej will an issue with that solution.
 
118Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 21:17 		GO had a discrepancy in his cbs and rotoguru keeps. I have fixed.
 
119skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 21:55 		Thanks Frick. Hard to keep up with picks I know.
 
120 Valkyrie
      Dude
      ID: 47042413
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 22:06 		Since I am new gere could someone please tell me where and how are we drafting tomorrow? Are we posuing on a draft thread in this forum or are going to use cbs draft room *for a slow live draft?) or are we usinf Kafenetid ?
 
121Peter N.
      ID: 47322421
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 22:32 		Valkyrie - We draft in the Football Standings Forum and pick up our players in CBS as they are drafted.

Here is a link to previous drafts and recaps.

Previous Drafts/Recaps
 
122Valkyrie
      Dude
      ID: 47042413
      Tue, Aug 24, 2010, 23:11 		Thanks Peter
 
123StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 10:05
          G24 2010 Supplemental Draft Order            
          Round            
  1   2   3   4   5   6
1.01  Chiefs 2.01  Browns 3.01  Browns 4.01  Browns 5.01  Browns 6.01  Browns
1.02  Bills 2.02  Panthers 3.02  Panthers 4.02  Panthers 5.02  Panthers 6.02  Packers
1.03  Lions 2.03  Bills 3.03  Lions 4.03  Bills 5.03  Colts 6.03  Bills
1.04  Bills 2.04  Lions 3.04  Lions 4.04  Lions 5.04  Lions 6.04  Lions
1.05  Panthers 2.05  Bengals 3.05  Bengals 4.05  Bengals 5.05  Bengals 6.05  Bengals
1.06  Bengals 2.06  Giants 3.06  Giants 4.06  Giants 5.06  Giants 6.06  Giants
1.07  Giants 2.07  Raiders 3.07  Raiders 4.07  Broncos 5.07  Jets 6.07  Broncos
1.08  Raiders 2.08  Vikings 3.08  Chiefs 4.08  Chiefs 5.08  Chiefs 6.08  Chiefs
1.09  Bears 2.09  Bears 3.09  Bears 4.09  Bears 5.09  Bears 6.09  Bears
1.10  Ravens 2.10  Ravens 3.10  Ravens 4.10  Jets 5.10  Jets 6.10  Cardinals
1.11  Jaguars 2.11  Jaguars 3.11  Jaguars 4.11  Jaguars 5.11  Jaguars 6.11  Jaguars
1.12  Broncos 2.12  Broncos 3.12  Raiders 4.12  Browns 5.12  Browns 6.12  Broncos
1.13  Vikings 2.13  Vikings 3.13  49ers 4.13  49ers 5.13  Packers 6.13  49ers
1.14  Cowboys 2.14  Cowboys 3.14  Cowboys 4.14  Cowboys 5.14  Chargers 6.14  Cowboys
1.15  Vikings 2.15  Vikings 3.15  Packers 4.15  49ers 5.15  49ers 6.15  Vikings
1.16  Packers 2.16  Packers 3.16  49ers 4.16  Giants 5.16  Packers 6.16  Vikings
1.17  Saints 2.17  Saints 3.17  Saints 4.17  Saints 5.17  Saints 6.17  Saints
1.18  Texans 2.18  Texans 3.18  Texans 4.18  Texans 5.18  Lions 6.18  Bengals
1.19  Seahawks 2.19  Seahawks 3.19  Seahawks 4.19  Seahawks 5.19  Seahawks 6.19  Seahawks
1.20  Chargers 2.20  Chargers 3.20  Chargers 4.20  Chargers 5.20  Chargers 6.20  Chargers
1.21  Colts 2.21  Colts 3.21  Colts 4.21  Raiders 5.21  Colts 6.21  Colts
1.22  Eagles 2.22  Eagles 3.22  Eagles 4.22  Eagles 5.22  Eagles 6.22  Eagles
1.23  Cardinals 2.23  Cardinals 3.23  Cardinals 4.23  Ravens 5.23  Ravens 6.23  Cardinals
1.24  Cardinals 2.24  Raiders 3.24  Jets 4.24  Jets 5.24  Jets 6.24  Ravens
                       
  7   8   9   10   11    
7.01  Browns 8.01  Browns 9.01  Jets 10.01  Colts 11.01  Browns    
7.02  Panthers 8.02  Panthers 9.02  Panthers 10.02  Panthers 11.02  Panthers    
7.03  Bills 8.03  Bills 9.03  Bills 10.03  Colts 11.03  Jets    
7.04  Lions 8.04  Texans 9.04  Lions 10.04  Lions 11.04  Bills    
7.05  Bengals 8.05  Texans 9.05  Bengals 10.05  Bengals 11.05  Bengals    
7.06  Giants 8.06  Giants 9.06  Giants 10.06  Giants 11.06  Giants    
7.07  Broncos 8.07  Broncos 9.07  Broncos 10.07  Broncos 11.07  Broncos    
7.08  Chiefs 8.08  Chiefs 9.08  Chiefs 10.08  Chiefs 11.08  Chiefs    
7.09  Bears 8.09  Bears 9.09  Bears 10.09  Bears 11.09  Bears    
7.10  Ravens 8.10  Ravens 9.10  Ravens 10.10  Ravens 11.10  Ravens    
7.11  Jaguars 8.11  Jaguars 9.11  Jaguars 10.11  Jaguars 11.11  Jaguars    
7.12  Raiders 8.12  Raiders 9.12  Raiders 10.12  Raiders 11.12  Raiders    
7.13  49ers 8.13  49ers 9.13  49ers 10.13  49ers 11.13  49ers    
7.14  Cowboys 8.14  Cowboys 9.14  Cowboys 10.14  Cowboys 11.14  Cowboys    
7.15  Vikings 8.15  Vikings 9.15  Vikings 10.15  Vikings 11.15  Vikings    
7.16  Packers 8.16  Panthers 9.16  Packers 10.16  Packers 11.16  Packers    
7.17  Saints 8.17  Saints 9.17  Saints 10.17  Saints 11.17  Saints    
7.18  Texans 8.18  Texans 9.18  Texans 10.18  Texans 11.18  Texans    
7.19  Seahawks 8.19  Seahawks 9.19  Seahawks 10.19  Seahawks 11.19  Seahawks    
7.20  Cowboys 8.20  Chargers 9.20  Chargers 10.20  Chargers 11.20  Chargers    
7.21  Colts 8.21  Bills 9.21  Colts 10.21  Colts 11.21  Colts    
7.22  Eagles 8.22  Eagles 9.22  Eagles 10.22  Eagles 11.22  Eagles    
7.23  Cardinals 8.23  Cardinals 9.23  Cardinals 10.23  Cardinals 11.23  Cardinals    
7.24  Jets 8.24  Broncos 9.24  Jets 10.24  Jets 11.24  Browns    
                       
                       
2010 Traded Draft Picks:                  
                       
Picks Altered Due to Draft Lottery Pick Traded Pick Traded Twice         
Pick Traded                    
Pick Traded Twice                   
                       
8-24 Ref's Colts receive Slizz's Bills 10th round pick (Hixon/Wilson and '09 pick). Pick is upgradeable based on Hixon's performance.
If Hixon gets 800 yds rec it becomes a 9th rounder; 900=8th;1000 yds = 7th; 1100 yds = 6th; 1200 = 5th.     
If Slizz has already traded that pick, he will upgrade it to the next highest pick        
8-26 PD's Browns receive GO's Jets 2nd rounder for his 1st (Addai)          
10-7 Ravens 6th for Cardinals 5th (Carpenter)              
10-10 Giants get Packers 4th (Bengals DST)              
10-22 49ers get Vikings 5th for his 1st (conditional on making the play-offs or it drops to a 2nd.) (Davis/Ochocinco)  
10-25 Jets 8th for Broncos 5th (fitzpatrick)                
10-28 Chargers get Cowbiys 5th for 7th (Cundiff)              
10-31 Colts get Bills 5th for their 8th (Nedney)              
11-4 Lions get Texans 5th for their 8th (Bironas)              
11-12 Bengals get Texans 6th for their 8th (J. Russell)            
11-19 Bills get PD's Browns 2010 1st round pick (acquired by Jets via trade 8-26) and Jets get Slizz's Bills 2010 11th pick.
11-25 Browns get Colts' 4th for his 10th (Addai/Ware)            
12-3 49ers get Packers 2nd (3rd if a non-playoff team) for his 5th (8 player)          
12-3 Vikings receive 49ers' 1st for his 4th (Maroney/Ringer)            
8-9 Lions receive Bills' 3rd round pick for Lions' last round pick            
8-18 Cardinals get Jets 1st for their 4th Round Pick (Keller)            
8-18 Jets get picks 4.10 & 5.10 from Baltimore for picks 4.23 & 6.24 (Washington)        
8-19 Jets get pick 9.01 from Browns for Pick 14.24 (Dixon) adjusted to pick 11.24        
8-23 Vikings get Chiefs' 2.08 ( 2011 1st, WIllis/Palmer)            
8-23 Packers get Carolina's 6.2 for their 8.16 (Bengals DST)            
8-24 Packers get Vikings 4.15 for their 6th roudner (McGahee) note: changed to 3.15        
8-24 Raiders trade 1.12, 2.12, 6.12 for Denver 1.08, 2.07, 3.07 (VJackson)          
8-24 Raiders trade: 4.12 + 5.12 to Browns for 2.24 + 4.21 (Delhomme + '11 pick)        
                       
Link to teams and owners                  
                       
 
124StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 10:07 		The table above is what I have for the draft order accounting for all the traded draft picks.

PLEASE review asap and let me know if anyone sees any errors or omissions as this will be used during the draft.
 
125skinneej
      Leader
      ID: 040625911
      Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 10:36 		The McGahee trade did not include a return pick. I was short one due to previous trades so now should have 11 picks again.
 
126Frick
      ID: 97321912
      Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 10:48 		Concur, I already have more picks than I need. I have 12 picks atm. It is possible that will swap some picks, but don't the rules state that a pick will be automatically skipped if a team has a full roster?
 
127StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 10:52 		I'll make the change pending a confirmation from Frick. Thanks.
 
128StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 10:59 		I made the change and changed it in the rules as well.

Once you have made your 11 picks your draft is over. You can trade extra picks before your draft is over and before that pick comes up. So if you found someone a pick short you could trade 2 picks for an upgrade in one of your picks.
 
129Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 11:03 		That's why I sent that email out!

On the McGahee trade it has 6 in there and ersponse said 4th. Maybe it was a 6th and then changed to a 4th (and ultimately a 3rd). If that's the case, there is no problem amending that.

Yes there are teams who intentionally go into the draft with more draft picks than needed in hopes of trading for higher picks.
 
130Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 11:14 		Do not start drafting until the Draft Order Chart is posted in the Draft thread please!

Draft Thread

Draft Discussion Thread

We will now move all discussion to the draft discussion thread.
 
131 slizz-blackberry
      ID: 32745617
      Thu, Aug 26, 2010, 11:01 		I currently own the 2nd pick in the 2nd round.

I am looking to move down.

Please email if you're interested.